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judge and da i proudly served lady justice. her image always next to me my office. a source of inspiration. a constant reminder that justice is blind, a constant reminder of my idealism as a young attorney. i served her proudly and i still do. all of us in justice serve her. welcome to "justice" i am judge jeanine pirro. thank you for being with us tonight. this week the citadel on the hill the united states department of justice is under a cloud because of the actions of its head attorney general eric holder. jury continues to mount as he is asked to clarify what he appears to be per injujerous testimony the midst of a hearing on what is perhaps the broadest attack on the free press of this
history. this most recent scandal is nothing new for eric holder. it has been marked by repeated miss steps questionable illegal procedures and questionable judgments. he has been held in contempt of congress, a vote not just by republicans but by democrats as well. his tenure also marred his department shipping assault weapons directly to the mexican cartel used to kill hundreds of innocent civilians as well as an american border patrol agent and a customs agent. he clearly does not have the ability to investigate what is happening in his own department as evidenced a letter submitted congress that contained a play tant lie. that letter stating there was no gun walking and it was withdrawn 8 months later. his attempts were also his wrong doings in his latest press scandal by arranging to meet with the tarring gets of his
subpoenas and search warrants under the guise of changing the justice department rules show how much of an amateur he really is. prosecutors simply do not meet with targets for a kooum by awe session. won wonders how the top in the nation has 10,000 lawyers working for him and 200 years of case law, precedence and legal treattis is on the press and first amendment needs to meet with the press to discuss how hard he should go the next time he wants their records. his lack of candor as well as refusal to hand over subpoena documents and repeated claims of ignorance continues to cloud the department of justice. he never appears to be prepared to address predictable scandals. >> i don't know. i don't know what has happened in this matter. i don't know. i don't know.
i assume he was but i don't know. that i don't know. i don't know why that happened. i don't know. that i am not sure, we probably have to get back to you with an answer on that. i just don't know. i don't know whether or not what funds are being used or whether that letter would apply to that effort. i don't know. yeah, i don't know. i simply don't know. >> he doesn't have good instincts as a new attorney general. he reopened the criminal investigation of cia interrogation of terrorists. not only had that investigation already been cleared by career justice department prosecutors, but seven former cia directors said such action was unwarranted. his hare-brained idea of bringing five terrorists to new york city already in guantanamo to try in civilian courts to prove to the rest of the world how great our justice system really is was universally criticized and subsequently reversed.
before a civilian trial could even get underway congress barred the transfer of detainees like ksm which effective floirsed the case back to a military commission. his botched gun trafficking as well as the cops are a member. his special prosecutor for his miss step and miss steps of his department saying instead he will investigate basically equates to his investigating himself or no investigation at all. they don't have the intellect or integrity to run the citadel on the hill. the department of justice can no longer stand a leader who has such disregard for truth and justice. i have always been an idealist. i believe in truth and justice and right and wrong. that can no longer be
politicized. those of us who spent our careers serving lady justice are not only disappointed, we are angry. lady justice may be blind, but she can see through those bandages enough to know that the american people deserve better. jim from the house judd dish air recommittee and coauthor of the letter of eric holder demanding answers. good evening, congressman. >> thank you for having me, judge. >> congressman, let's get right to it. you sent a letter to eric holder this week asking that he clarify statements that were made as of may 15th in front of your committee when he said, let's see, we have that here, guys? >> with regard to the potential prosecution of the press for the disclosure of materials that is not something that i have ever been involved in heard of or
would think would be a wise policy. >> all right. did he commit perjury? >> i don't know if he hit all of the points for perjury. at minimum he misled the committee by saying that which is also a federal crime. but what nobody has said including mr. holder is that the affidavit that he apparently knew about, according to a justice department correction nine days after the hearing, actually accused fox news reporter james rose enthat there was probable cause that mr. rose encommitted a violation of the espionage act, not just being a co conspirator or aiding and abiting a conspiracy but committing a violation of the espionage act. furthermore the search for the
third -- search warrant the judge issued after being turned on by two other federal judges, and i am going to read this, said that the department granted an act not only rose en's communications with the state department steven kim who had been violated for violating the espionage act but any document in its record or information concerning the national defense and other department of defense u.s. military and/or weapons material and any communications concerning such document images or records. >> congressman there's no question it's very broad. the concern here is whether or not you lied before your committee or at the very least committed a false statement. now what we find out as you accurately say you judge to get that search warrant because two others wouldn't give it to him. at the end of the day is there anything that he can say to you, which would cause you to say
that that is not in absolute contradiction to what he has already said? >> well, i'll give him the opportunity if he wants to say it on the record. but there are a lot of people in my career that have offered me a bridge in brooklyn for a very reasonable price. this might be another shot at that. you know, congressman it was shocking to hear that he called this reporter a co conspirator an aider and abetter when certainly the individual he then says was not someone he intended to prosecute and that goes to the very question of whether or not the application for the search warrant contained a lie or whether or not the attorney general lied again. >> the application for the search warrant was very clear it said there was probable cause to believe that mr. rose enviolated the espionage act. that's more than being a co
conspirator that's accusing rose enof committing a crime for doing his job. whatever else he says absolutely chilling to the freedom of the press. if you are doing your job and then you are accused of committing a crime for doing that then what's there left besides going to the courts or going to congress to deal with the issue. >> not only that the first amendment protects him. very quickly coming up against a break. you gave him until this past friday i believe to answer or explain. have you heard from him? >> it's wednesday the 5th by close of business. as of last friday we not gotten the response to the seven questions that chairm the chairman and i have posed. i hope that he will meet that deadline. if he doesn't, i think he's going to be accused of a cover up. >> all right congressman. thank you so much for being with us this evening. >> thank you, judge. >> coming up, much more on the scandal facing the obama
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>> i think the trouble here isn't the individual specific c scandal it's the broader notion there's a pattern. that concerns people because what you don't want to happen is americans lose faith and trust in their institution. that i think is what this at ri here. >> i have said it before and i will say it again, so many scandals so little time. is congressman rogers right.
are americans losing trust in their government? with me is fox news contributor special council and author lanny davis from washington, d.c. deputy on special on board the state department chris yen white end. i will go to you first. is eric holder now a liability to obama? >> it is politics in this town, and if goingbeing attacked by republicans the way democrats attack albert doe gonzalez the way democrats attack edwin reese the way republicans attack bobby kennedy or john kennedy the attorney general has been the object of partisan attacks going back to maybe when they attacked thomas jefferson's attorney general. it is unfortunately the case that the attorney general has become an object of political attack therefore he is not a liability any more so than any
other attorney general on any side of the fence. >> let me interrupt you for a second. he has been held in contempt of congress for, you know, the letter i believe that was sent to congress on february 4th of the over site committee which contained a blatant lie where they said there was no gun walki walking and based on his own investigation. let me nirn the question. some say it's a miss prison of a felony. that contempt was voted on not just by republicans but by democrats as well. >> actually, d i don't know how many democrats voted for it but you should have at least said it was overwell canning-- overwhela partisan vote. you used to be a judge you convicted somebody of a crime without evidence. >> i said there was some who would say that. >> excuse me. with all due respect you said that he lied.
that's a conclusion of fact that you as a judge would never make before you heard the evidence. >> i am making it at this point and i don't want to -- >> now you are a television commentator you are allowed -- (talking over one another) >> i understand when someone says one thing and then the department of justice leaks out that not only did it green light a search warrant where they said that a reporter was a target of a criminal investigation which was certainly an effort on the justice department but has to get his search warrant which would not have been gotten they shop to get it then he says i know nothing about it. you know as well as i do that's clearly inconsistent. christian, what say you? >> excuse me, you are not going to let me respond to that? >> go ahead, christian. >> to go and say this is just a legal issue, forget about the lawyering for a second. i think just look at the facts.
politics is a political issue, yeah, that's called democracy. the fact is unlike the accusations against ed niece or janet reno we have a clear fact pattern of lying, lie to go congress and lying to the american people. this is something the fancy lawyers would say that holder's critics have made the prima facie case. i don't know how you could possibly get out of that. one thing the politics of it is why haven't obama fired holder. it's not because of loyalty. i think it's because there's more to come in this scandal more to come by firing holder would be a cleansing activity for the administration as naming independent council. why aren't they doing that? because they know there is more coming in. >> go ahead. >> first of all the statements that i just heard i think maybe he should -- >> facts?
what did you say? i did not know -- (talking over one another) >> you are interrupting me. excuse me. you are interrupting me. >> i would like there fob some ground rules. i speak and you are guest talks over me. i am the judge here. just say it. >> you are filibustering. >> you are still talkini am not have you talk over me. may i speak? please? >> on my own watch i watched alberto gonzalez being called liars by the democrats and i objected to the word liar for the same reason that i am respectfully suggesting to you that if you don't have facts say i believe somebody is telling deliberately untruth rather than on national television -- >> lenny we appreciate your interruption on the law but the attorney general swore under oath he knew nothing and then we know he green lighted that
search warranted. you should be insulted whether or not he is your friend. >> you don't know as a matter of fact you are supposing. >> the president declares a war on terror over. why do so many disagree with him? later is eric holder a liability to white house just can't handle any more and should he step down? ce policy. put it towards... [ glass shatters ] [ girl ] dad! [ girl screams ] noise canceling headphones? [ male announcer ] get allstate home insurance with claim free rewards. talk to an allstate agent... [ doorbell rings ] and let the good life in. grrrrreat outdoors,ate agent... and a great deal. [ doorbell rings ] ahhh let's leave the deals to hotels.com. perfect! yep, and no angry bears. up to 30% off. only at hotels.com. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for him, he's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol. i was okay, but after lunch my knee started to hurt again. and now i've got to take more pills.
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>> today the core of al qaeda in afghanistan and pakistan is on the path to defeat. the remaining opties spend more time thinking about their own safety than plotting against us. they did not direct the attacks in benghazi or boston. they have not carried out a successful home land since 9-11. >> president obama declaring a war on terror is over. is it? or is this just another stretch
of the truth from the white house? with me is editor and new york times best selling author ben shapiro in l.a. and terrorism analyst who joins us from dc. gentlemen, i will start with you, you wrote about this. is the president right or is this just more spinning? >> it is pretty clear the president is defending wasn't is a very, very cowardly foreign policy saying the war on terror is over. he wants a turn back before 9-11 without risk of a 9-11. he is saying it is fundamentally different than it was back in 1996 or 2005. it is not the case. benghazi was evidence that the terrorists are still out to get us and there is evidence people are easily radicalized and find resources in which to attack the american home land. the administration was going after reporters for reporting on activity shows the war on terror is still very much underway. >> why now?
why now is he coming out and saying this? i got it during the election and i get benghazi because benghazi could be by that video protest but why is he saying this now? >> i think it's important for him to say this right now because if you remember right before the irs story broke what we were all talking about is benghazi. it is very important the president everything having to do with benghazi he has a black swan attack. it is unforeseeable. the administration doesn't have to take the hit for foreign policy continue to create a greater public probability of terrorist attacks on american forces and on american allies across the world. and eric, i mean, by his saying that basically the war on terrorism has said' it's all god it goes along with the narrative benghazi had nothing do with anything other than a video and it is a democratic revolution. >> these are all just isolated
incidents. mo along, folks. nothing to see here. benghazi, boston, a be heading in broad daylight in london. none of this is interconnected. that's the message president obama is giving. i have to tell you this is all part of a global jihad. yes, we are at war. war has to declare on us. a key point in this speech president obama talked about al qaeda and pakistan and afghanistan. judge to listen to him you would think we are only fighting al qaeda in pakistan. that's it. he doesn't mention the muslim brotherhood he's empowered at every turn, iran, hezbollah, self starters like london and boston. i would argue this jihadist threat is more vie verse and pervasive than any time since the- -- 9-11. don't worry it's all over. >> is the president by saying this is all over with and we are all safe now, how does he
explain going forward why we are still fighting this war on the other side of the world? >> well, he has to shore up his lap. he is going to be interested in painting the war as over. he really wants to make clear to folks in the united states that the war on terror is over and that everything is going on is basically a big distraction from his massive domestic agenda. when conservatives talk about benghazi it is because we are politically motivated not because we think it heightens the risk of terrorist attacks. they have this spineless foreign policy that says islamic terrorists is random cases of terror not a coordinated or idea logically driven assault weapon. >> you say this sends the wrong message to our enemies. do we even need to send them the message we are a paper tiger. look what happened in benghazi. we didn't send any one after americans. >> yeah, exactly. our actions speak even louder than our words in this case, judge. he willfully miss leads the
american people with the speech like he gave last week saying this war is over. i can tell you the ji add had -- jihadists haven't gotten the memo. they are very much at war with us. the irony of it the disgusting irony is one day before president obama gets his smeepe, judge, in broad day late to islamists allah akbar but president obama would have us believe this is an isolated incident. now that osama bin laden said we can pack up our bags and leaf more. >> we are watching porno tapes in a hut somewhere. let me ask you one thing, ben, because of the more recent scandals. >> judge, i think president obama is intent. he figured these are all random
acts of terror that the united states can never have anything when in truth every one of the attacks in america could have fore seen if we have the wherewithal names it for what it is namely islamist terrorists. >> thank you so much for being here this evening. >> coming up, have you seen these videos? would you believe you paid for the irs to make them? eric holder will have white house support. tell me what you think on facebook or tweet me at judge jeanine. ♪ ♪ can you hear it? ♪ fueling the american spirit ♪ no matter when, no matter where ♪
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to the left. so talented even though the lyrics are the director to the dance. my goodness. to the right, to the right, to the right. >> this is harder than doing an op review. >> i need a straight line. trying to get ready for anaheim. stay in line. >> ladies and gentlemen, your tax dollars paid for that hideous dancing by the irs. didn't lois lerner say she didn't know much about math? maybe the irs should spend their money teaching her how to ad. look at what darrel issa thinks about that very video. >> all of those so-called training videos were entertainment paid for by the taxpayers. it is very clear the culture of the irs during this period of time was one that did not particularly care about whether
or not they spent well the tax payer's money and that included what they paid for hotel rooms and many of the perks they showered on themselves. >> and it gets worse the watchdog group states the irs spent about $50 million of your money to hold at least 220 conferences for employees between 2010 and 2012. that is a whole lot of line dancing or electric slide or whatever they were doing. with me is conservative commentator ann coulter and markham mel. what say you about that video? >> well, it remind me of the excuse they have used for why they were aggressively honored in tea party groups, patriot groups, pro israel groups christian groups was that cincinnati office was so jammed and over worked. first of all when you are over worked that usually means rubber
stamp not like he focus on this also maybe the whole irs is at work it doesn't waste time like government workers do. >> what do you say to this? didn't we get one ig report saying they were targeting conservative groups. what do you say about this? >> what do you say about the exercises or team building activities are going on. given the politics they are both embarrassing to the united states, but this is also really small potatoes when you consider life of the chairman of the house over site committee is trying to link political targ targeting they just came out on
candy crowley's show and said there was no concrete evidence linking anything these agents did in cincinnati. >> are you saying that you are not bothered by our money used having people dance around? what does that have to do with -- >> i certainly agree with you. but this isn't the best use of tax payer money. what this does isn't really promoting the kind of public interest it is creating a public spectacle that forwards a political agenda than it gets a people deserve the fact of what actually happened. darrel issa has said he has something up his believes. >> do you want tonight marked -- this administration and the irs. is any one wanting? >> well, i think all of this line dancing nonsense it does make me think something i have not been against but not
something strongly before the path that is we need to move to a consumption tax. seriously we don't need more and more of these bureaucrats doing this. i agree with mark line dance something the least of it. darrel issa doesn't have enough evidence to conclude there are political audits. i recommend he turn on fox news because i have got enough evidence. there have been dozens upon dozens of maybe hundreds of conservative groups that have been subject to the lengthy audits. meanwhile, who does have 501 c status? all of the lit berle groups that were not subject to this harassment but actually have their exempt -- tax exempt status which is median matter. >> if you remember -- >> let mark respond. >> which is all of these groups. the point is that you can't tell what is going on unless you see the little ones tharnt getting.
>> i think this sort of righteous indignation is really rich when you look under ashcroft under the bush era irs it went after progressive churches in southern california where i live and where ann lives. so there is kind of this ridiculous hypocrisy here if you think about republicans in congress are all of a sudden outraged that if in fact there are political pardoning the proof is on him. if he can't find that he is using this for the american people. >> ann and mark i want you to look at this. this is the president who was basically criticizing the supreme court justices of the 2010 state of the union address. >> all right. they are telling me we don't have it. sorry about that. >> could i say something. >> this is exactly my point. this is precisely my point
inviting liberal groups that have these exemptions kaunt just randomly throw out someone who is audits. we have a country of 300 million people. there are dozens of groups out here. that's why i said about all of the liberal groups who have theirs and nbc and mark cannot produce a liberal groupon 501 c 4 status. >> you say the naacp was audited means nothing. >> last week the supreme court reversed a century of law that i believe will open the flood gates for special interest including foreign corporations to spend without limit in our election. i don't think american elections should be bank rolled by america's most powerful interests. they should be decided by the american people. >> mark, clearly the president is krit siding the justices of the supreme court for their decision in 2010 and ironically or by coincidence all of a
sudden the conservative groups are being targeted because the president doesn't really like what the supreme court has done. >> how do you answer that? >> that's a really important observation, judge. let's look back at historical consequence. when citizens united passed it liberalized who could be exempt from taxes. you had 1700 applications for social welfare organization. and some of these were probably bunk whether they were liberal or conservative they call themselves social welfare organizations. >> we know what the issue is. >> this is what the ig found out. so what the ig found out is there was some really recklessness some sloppiness in trying to use search terms to find certain groups that might be overtly political and therefore not qualified and so they don't -- the ig didn't find any. so far darrel issa -- >> enough with darrel issa.
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>> is it fair to say you are holding attorney general holder. >> that was the purpose of sending the letter it is fair to say we are investigating the conflict in his remark. those remarks were made under oath but we think it's important the attorney general be offered the opportunity to respond. >> eric holder our nation's top investigator. it is time for him to go former department justice official jam christian adams joins me. good evening. >> good evening. >> can you tell us why you think it's time for eric holder to go? should he go, yes.
it is time for him to go he has been the most corrupt since the harding administration. he has used and abused the power whether allowing integrity measures to fail with voert id and refusing to defend the act of marriage act. he allowed public schools to dress like transvestites. this is a crazy record. >> more than that, i think the issue that the american people are starting to understand is not just a violation of the freedom of the press but he may have lied under oath. given what the justice department did what it did and
what he already said under oath that is perjury or making a false statement. i don't whar what he says now. it's like a defendant on the stand saying i said it but i want to change it. he said it. >> eric holder can't be trusted. you are right he did not tell the truth about a material ate time. you know what that means it's called perjury. if you have knowledge about the investigation on the press you are talking about something you never heard of that's false. when i was with the justice department i had to prepare. when you do it you do it by attorney general for his eyes and signature. he signed and read a press subpoena about james rose enand testified in front of congress under oath he never heard ch such a thing. >> it was a search warrant for
the three judges started judge shopping and even worse than that is identifying james rose enas an unindicted co c conspirator aider and abetter. isn't that a violation of the federal rules? they don't have the time to respond. >> look at how the justice department is spinning this? it is even would say they are saying we were never going to do anything about james rose eny. are you telling the judge you might do something? >> a oo that's the mrob tell a judge you want to do it it is probableal cause that means you are lying for the search warrant. >> absolutely. stfz a catch 22 for the justice department. >> coming up my tribute to the firefighter who lost their lives this week in texas. and this is your last chance to
>> time now for our insta-poll results. we asked you is the end near has eric holder lost white house support? dana says tick tock, tick tock, eric, tick tock. michael says that may be the best hope and change we can expect from this administration. deborah says no if obama is able to stretch out justice for as long as he is been able to do
like benghazi voters seem to have a short memory when it comes to this administration. jimmy says he hasn't lost white house support but he has lost america's support. barbara, yes, eric holder will soon need to quote spend time with his family. now to my opening statement from last night where i said that i believe attorney general eric holder should be indicted with specific counts of criminal investigation. it drew some really strong responses. deb says, keep telling it like it is, judge. wish holder had to stand before you in court. jeff says, how can any one with common sense disagree? karen, you were right on holder should be indicted and to think he can investigate himself, what a joke. if this were attorney general under bush the democrats would be having a fit. peggy says the hypocrisy of this
administration is indescribable. hope and change? how about i sure hope they will change. doubtful. fabulous. i hope he is watching. somehow i doubt it. rhonda warrens watch your back, these are not nice people. god bless. david says, hear that knock at your door? probably 25 irs agents. been there, but not to worry. i am going to keep telling the truth the way i see it. and if you missed last night's opening statement check it out on the jump this show page at fox news -- justice page at foxnews.com. normally at this point in our show we do a segment called free for the week. frankly we talked about enough treats tonight. i want to pay tribute to four real heros, firefighters killed this past friday in houston, texas when the roof of the building they were battling a blaze on collapsed. 25-year-old ann sullivan
graduated from the fire department academy just one month ago. katherine renaud 35 years old hl an apartment for 12 years. robert joined at the same time and firefighter robert garner just 29 years old joined the department after serving the military. 14 firefighters treated in the hospital fighting that fire. one remains in critical condition. our prayers are with the firefighters and their families. we salute you. we thank you. just goes to show it's easy to find heros when you look outside of washington. that's it for us tonight. thanks for joining us. remember to friend me on facebook and follow me at twitter at judge jeanine. see you next week. ♪
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