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>> john: tonight we eastbound pose >> tonight we expose this. politicians now tell us what is weakening. >> without a little fat and sugar what would life be>> we are told fracking will poison our waters. >> people are sickened. livestock is dying. >> ♪ >> fracking is good. >> it's an amazing story. >> also because stupid people do this. these people lose their jobs? >> we are less safe because of you awful people. >> and should government deliver
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the mail? should it build speedy trains? we look for answers at the seat of power. >> who is winning? washington they often don't let our camera around. >> can't take a picture of the beautiful atrium? >> but there is so much money here, life is good. >> once people see these they never leave. >> we start with myth number seven. because americans are so fat it is government's job they help us eat better. >> changing owed habits is never easy. >> it's not. first lady says to change behavior? >> it has to take government doing its part. if michelle obama wants to inspire us by exercising on the white house lawn, that's great, but government doing its part usually means force. >> this has nothing to do with banning the number of sugary drinks you want but the size of the cup you can use. >> into my home town the mayor
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wants cups this size made illegal. >> it is the single bigs step this city has taken in order to curb obesity. >> please, i can still buy two of these that's 32 ounces or go to a supermarket and buy one of these monsters. >> they forced every chain restaurant to clearly postal recounts. >> they are there they are. >> both reforms are recognized as national models. >> sadly, that's true. under obama care all big chains will postal recounts even though they don't work. study briefrs at new york university at yale track customers, burger king, kentucky fried chicken they found half noticed the callie count and some said it influenced their orders but when they foundry seats they found people ordered more calories. the author of the food police
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studied that, too. >> we find those really don't change behaviors at all. what you are doing is asking companies to take something that has no bern fits. it is a sieven though they knowt won't work for the sole creation of making a symbol. what kind of government is that? >> an intruce i one. in mine the most eager to ban foods require signs be posted is felix ortiz. >> it didn't work. they tested it. in fact they ate more. >> i disagree with that. >> now he is going after salt. >> they banned salt in the restaurants. >> too much salt is bad for some people. people with hypertension or some other problems, but there is no evidence it is harmful to most of us. >> some it increases the chance of death. >> because you can't have salt i
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can't have salt? >> for some people maybe 20 percent of the people. >> all of the cheese burgers across the bond in europe, denmark is becoming the first country in the world to oppose a fat tax. >> consumers could pay more to buy a less healthy food. >> they love that denmark did. >> they have decided to implement a fat tax. you go to the supermarket you buy a food that has above a certain level of fat they charge you extra. we feel good about this? >> the fat tax passed the danish parliament. but they switched to cheaper food just as unhealthy or chose the border to shop in neighboring countries. in denmark they repealed the fat tax. they haven't mentioned that so i will. >> they repealed it. it was a big mistake. >> they tried it for a year,
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they tried your dumb idea for a year and said oh my goodness bad idea. >> i believe it is a great idea. >> other great ideas are taxes on candy or fast food. >> you can order a salad or a big mac. both are fast food. you can bet the lobbyists are going to be on the table to make the rules as to what is fast food. >> what exactly is candy? they have a candy tax. >> this her see par is taxable but this isn't because it contains flour. >> in our doughnuts we have flour, sugar, eggs, salt. her dessert won an award on the food network. >> don't you think you are poisoning people? you are making everybody fat? >> no, without a little fat and sugar, what would life be? >> we asked her to make the doughnuts without the bad stuff. >> the healthy version i made today has no sugar, no salt,
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very little fat, it is not fried, it is baked. showing you how good it can be without the good stuff. >> there's egg whites. that's good. >> egg whites are good but it's not like egg yolk. >> will people mind the difference? let's try a taste test. >> we have a healthy doughnut and a regular doughnut. >> almost everyone liked the regular doughnut. >> that's awesome. >> how about the other one? >> not so good. >> need the sugar. >> i wanted to like the healthy doughnut. >> like eating bread. >> not what i am looking for in a doughnut. >> some liked the healthier version. >> it's good. for a baked doughnut it is very good. >> taste is subjective so it's good people have choices. >> we try to give you an option where you can make better choices. >> where do you get off saying you are giving us more choice? urbaning things. you are giving us less choice. >> let me say you are absolutely
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right. i am trying to ban salt that is not good for the consumer. >> you are a bull lie. >> i have been called worse. >> what business is it of yours that i put in my own body. isn't that part of freedom? >> you can have the freedom but when it comes down to healthcare costs we need to tackle it and when we are talking about healthy lifestyle government is not blamed. >> because government is responsible because we have a socialized healthcare system you get to take away me freedom? >> i am helping you to have a better life. >> you are like a cancer spreading a bad thing that costs a lot of money and doesn't do any good. >> i am a good cancer providing good healthy advice for the public health. >> a good cancer. that brings us to myth number 6 obama care is good for business. democrats say it is.
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>> it is very good for small business. it is incredibly good for small business. >> we are why we committed ourselves to this cost. >> businesses will not suffer under health reform. >> it is all good obama care? it won't hurt business? >> you can't be wealthy unless you are healthy. >> you may remember his support of obama care. >> the republican plan, don't get sick and if you get sick die quickly. i was surprised to learn he used to be a businessman. he had idt. >> unusual politician having really created something, created wealth, run idt. i would think you would see the burden put on all of these businesses. >> one rule has had a dramatic impact on job creation ohher on small business. >> this isn't one rule.
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it is a pile of rules. >> here is obama care. many say the secretary shall produce more regulation. >> put together that rule. >> what about the tax on medical advice? bunch of democrats now object to this. >> listen, we have to pay for it somehow. >> obama care poses a steep tax on companies that make medical devices. pacemakers, artificial limbs, digital thermometers. it want can't be a profitable business. the new tax means they will probably save fewer lives. they want that part of obama care killed. >> don't we want more medical devices? >> when you pass a law that costs something you have to come up with the money for it. >> obama careless forces more business owners to pay more for worker's healthcare. lauren goodrich runs restaurants in maine and new hampshire. >> thank you for chewing subway
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today. >> he offers health insurance to most full-time workers who stick around. >> you have 20 subway shops. how many employees? is>> 180 employees. >> obama care's point is to get your employees better healthcare. >> i think it's a noble cause but i can't provide for every single need for every single employee. in a low margin retail business this bill is stef stating. >> he says his profit margin is already smaller because he's had to pay specialists to try to explain the obama care rules. >> accountants and insurance agents and lawyers try to figure out how i am going to comply with the bill. they still can't give me the answer. >> what can i get for you? >> obama care says you must buy expensive insurance for all full-time workers or pay a fine. neither he says will slash his profit. >> i can care the people listening saying so what he is a rich guy. he has plenty of stores.
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make less profit. >> you can say that but you have to have a profit to be able to expand your business. i am not going to be hiring more people. >> so raise prices. >> i have so many customers who come in with the exact change for lunch in their hand. they are price conscious. >> who are the businesses on the mar kin? >> there are always some not sure expanding is going to make them a profit. >> on the basis of that we are going to deny 15 million people coverage? >> it is nice to give people coverage. but it does impose costs. goodrich says the costs will force him to cut full-time workers. >> i will have to cut man nae people down to part-time. >> people the law was meant to help, maybe him, maybe her, will be hurt. >> they will have to go get another job, they will have to work two jobs to make ends meet which is sad. >> it's an ex true burden. you are always adding burden. >> who is we? >> you congressmen?
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you democratic congressmen especially. >> i visited communist countries while they were still communist. i know what it looks like to be in a place where there really is a burden. i don't see our country as being that way. >> and we are not, yet, but we should learn from history and stop pursuant putting more burdens on guys like him. >> i employ your teenagers. some have gone off to run their own businesses because of may training. my business is needed. >> coming up the new celebrity cause. stopping fracking. ♪ please don't frack my mother [ male announcer ] hurry in to red lobster's crabfest, with three entrées under $20. like our new snow cb and crab butter shrimp, just $14.99. only at red lobster where we sea food differently. [ male announcer ] now try 7 lunch choices at $7.99.
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>>. >> john: >> myth number 5 our drinking water it in danger because oil companies are fracking. >> grabbi what's that? >> the controversy is over chemicals being injected into the earth to break up rock and release natural gas. >> fracking means shoving water and chemicals in the ground fracturing the rock to release
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oil and gas. this has been done for 60 years. but recently geologists learned how to drill sideways, result america has much more and therefore cheaper natural gas. it means families pay less to heat their homes. soon america may be self sufficient in energy. if you are worried about global warming, burning natural gas releases less greenhouse gas than oil or coal. >> fracking feels like you are pumping from it mother earth, it's an amazing story. >> a liberal european environmentalists points out that europe prom from missed to cut the greenhouse gas emission but didn't cut it. >> in europe we managed to cut half of what you guys accidentally happen to do when you are fracking. >> why are these people so mad?
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>> they worry about hengy compaenergy companies with chemicals in the ground. >> this is the scene from gas link. >> gasoline, 1, 2, 3, 4. >> he played the future energy company destroying the promised land. >> it can happen to all of us. yoko owe no and her son shawn lennon founded a group called artists against fracking. ♪ please don't frack my mother >> they come up by the millions of gallons. so the protests grow.
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>> cows and livestock are dying. >> mutation of our children. >> a lot of people could get sick. >> you would think so since they include this frightening scene. >> so much gas in his water he could light it. >> but what you sees real. >> he runs the influential group called real people. >> all of the people in the company say oh this isn't our problem. this is there in the first place. they are lying. >> he and the gas land movies say this is much more likely to happen because of fracking. they concluded fracking had nothing to do with it. it was gas naturally in the ground. that happened. there are many places in america where no fracking is done. but water still catches fire. this is a lake in alaska, this man lives in new york where
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fracking is banned. yet... but if fracking doesn't cause these problems why the lawsuit the headlines about ruined wealth. filmmaker checked out pollution claims made by craig and julie saunt ner. >> have you checked it out? >> we did maybe back two years ago. >> he was vague about the result. >> i can't remember what that showed. >> his lawsuit said his well water was dirty and dark. when he checked it wasn't. >> it changes from day-to-day one day it will be clear and the next day it won't. >> they demanded pents pens environmental officials test their water so the epa did and concluded their water was fine and reported that good news to the softener. listen to his reaction. >> this is bull crap. i am sick and tired of this. what happened to you people? >> we are telling you we tested your water at this point in time
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we found no contaminants. >> even the epa director said at no case have we made a determination that the fracking process has caused chemicals to enter groundwater. >> some companies spilled chemicals. >> there is risk. the protestors say that instead of fracking america should use less energy and invest in all terneties. >> -- alternatives. >> wind solar and geothermal. >> there is more energy in allergy than any other source. >> no, there isn't. today renewable energy doesn't provide the world with anywhere near the power we need. >> if you environmental zealots got your way there would be no progress. oil natural gas, fuel is dirty. otherwise we are living in the dark ages. >> i heard the zell otts coming from the other side. i see statistics that are
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uncomfortable for you and the people who are in favor of this. >> his side is one in my state. pr protestors persuade all politicians to stop all fracking in new york. that makes me uncomfortable. the world needs energy where energy is limited. >> life is cruel and life is short. we take it for granted. we really shouldn't. >> coming up, something else we take for granted. 5 gallon gas cans. our keys in t, geico's emergency roadside assistance is there 24/7. oh dear, i got a flat tire. hmmm. uh... yeah, can you find a take where it's a bit more dramatic on that last line, yeah? yeah i got it right here. someone help me!!! i have a flat tire!!! well it's good... good for me. what do you think? geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
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to see the way this team finished this job. >> after 50 years 117 people lost their jobs. there were lots of tears. >> i have been here serving six years and two bhonts. these people were my family. >> my plan is to go home and lay down and cry. >> companies disappear all of the time. markets change products emerge. this plan is in high demand. what happened. >> this happened. some people use the gas cans to pour gasoline on fire. some were burned some are killed. that is terrible but the gas cans are at fault. >> they are good. there you go. >> oh my god, dude. oh my god. >> the lawyers have designed systems that are good for
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lawyers, and bad for our community. >> the lawyers. >> you or a loved one have been injured in an accident... >> if you get hurt it is easy to find lawyers eager to take a percentage of the winnings. >> don't wait. call me today. >> they put ott the began cans would prevent explosions occurring because of draft back for fumes. >> a flame it is a little piece of metal might prevent fire from going up into the can causing explosion. >> they are testing it. the flame arrester might make the cans more dangerous. they clog and because static electricity from metal can
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spread a fire. that is probably why no plastic gas cans could cause fire. >> it's left to the jury. listen for evidence. hear about the research. >> the jurors aren't scientists. they see this poor victim they want to help. >> of course they are sif sympathet sympathetic. it is dangerous. if they can make the product safer why don't they? it can clog and make the product less useful. it can cause a spark. it can cause more danger. there are lots of reasons not to do it. once you lawyer pair sites step in the debate is over because you cost so much. >> i don't think that's the case. the company decides to make a product and come into the market they are required to do what is reasonable. >> they are called upon to decide what is reasonable. they make a product that could burn people. some lawyers say the warning
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label wasn't clear enough. >> the lawyers often win money arguing there should be more warning. one result is even a simple latter today include 30. >> you ever look at a birth control label? >> i have not. >> have you happened to have one here? this is what the lawsuits do. tiny print both sides of the page. there are so many warnings now none of us read them. we are less safe because of you awful people. >> that is left to the jury. people who read warnings are again really going to breathe them. >> it costs $2.5 million to win it. >> $2 million in the legal system even when you win you lose. >>est at that the lawyer winning and everybody else losing. >> more lawsuits poured in. >> the year before we filed for bankruptcy we had 25 cases in the last nine months. >> you can sue somebody until they are broke and tired and can't provide jobs and take care of communities and be an
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entrepreneur in our society. >> even if the cans are dangerous they rarely take into account the dangers of not having a product. they ran out of containers for gasoline. >> we can't keep them in the stores. >> they have difficulty keeping them up for the gas cans. >> they didn't know they no longer existed. they were desperate for cans. >> i looked all over. first time i found 5 gallon gas cans. they are saying you have to have a certified gas can. >> one man walked into a gas can filling up an igloo cooler. they were putting gas in milk jugs. this is much less safe. >> to i can ma the argument because of lawsuits resulted in the company going out of business resulted in there being no cans available.
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>> it is a fact that we lose product because of fear of lawsuits. it is why america has no age vaccines and no lyme disease vaccine. >> you deprive me of good stuff. >> i disagree with that. they are scared someone like me to bring something to the market because it could cause harm then i am happy about that. >> we pay for his happiness not just in products but americans pay almost a thousand dollars per person per year per lawsuit. in oklahoma they let 17 workers go. >> if they could take this and destroy it, they can take just about anything. >> there is something no one seems to be able to take away. you have to fund them. tiny hardly used post office. (l!
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♪ ♪ ♪ >> john: another myth, >> another myth, government can run the post office like a business. >> we deliver we deliver. >> real businesses can't lose billions every year. 16 billion last year. the post office loses money even though -- >> they don't pay sales taxes or property taxes. they don't even pay their parking tickets. >> with advantages like that how does the post office lose money? here is a reason. check out this little post office in massachusetts. >> hi. >> this is one of hundreds that on average bring in less than $700. >> the real business closes a store that can't cover his salary let alone a car. >> congress says post offices must serve all of america. >> there's another post office a mile down the road. there are five others within a
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few miles. >> why don't they need so many so close to each other. even the locals see the excess. >> they should cupth cut back to a couple. >> most of the post offices around. >> it is silly. >> close post offices. >> we are working on it. >> what do you mean you are working on it. will a business just does it. >> we are expected to operate like a business but congress does not allow us to operate like a business. >> mickey barnett chairman of the post office board. >> since ben franklin the postal service has grown and changed with america. you don't change. you are a government monday nopcally. you barely change. 250,000 fewer than you have had. >> if the government fires people the big government media would say things like this. >> they are hell bent on seeing the u.s. postal service die. >> they wait for them to quit or
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retire. >> attrition is kinder. >> that's why you do it? >> we have union contracts am. >> how can you run a business that way? >> part of being a government tal agency. that's how the cookie crumbles. >> they ton to drive while postal service leaves billions. >> they make billions because they innovate and cut costs. postal officials like mickey barnett try to do that. try to close money like these. >> why wouldn't they close before? >> they can kill any close post offices no way. >> politicians aren't dumb. what are they thinking? oo they are thinking about reelection. >> they can't be so
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shortsighted. >> are we so dumb we can't get taxpayers to lose money? >> they say they can't run it like a business. >> okay. >> they have to beg you for permission, kiss your ring every time you want to do something. >> the post office does something so valuable and has to be maintained and have universal service. >> every american must get mail service whether you live in the suburbs or deep in the heart of alaska. they haul mail by mule to deliver to the bottom of the grand canyon. >> it's in the constitution. >> it isn't. the congs tugs says congress has the power to establish post offices. it doesn't have to. it doesn't have to deliver mail to all of america. >> people living in rural america aren't living there by force. you go back to the history it
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was private carriers or people came out to the post office and picked it up. what we have today is an invention of congress. >> who says there needs to be services? oo there is more in the united states including the congo. that's right. universal male service to everybody. >> in your government i have to pay forever. >> i don't represent john stossel. they don't want post offices closed. >> they are shortsighted they want free stuff for themselves. aren't you supposed to be the grown-up that says in this case you can't have it all. >> i don't have a moral obligation to shut down post offices when they don't want to be shut down. the public disagrees with you. most people don't want their post office closed.
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>> not this one. >> seems like too much, but it's convenient. >> there are a couple while they are still open but this one definitely has to be. >> next what you don't know about trains and mass transit. >> this thing is like the boondoggle of boondoggles. maybe you've already heard what they're saying about the nissan altima. ♪ and we have to admit, that it's all true. but don't just take their word for it, check it out for yourself. the award-winning nissan altima. nissan. innovation that excites. now get a $179 per month lease on a 2013 nissan altima. ♪
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♪ ♪ ♪ >> john: now, a>> we need government to invest in infrastructure. that does make sense. >> we need ways of getting places faster and blpg infrastructure. >> these days politicians want to spend more on trains. >> the train that would take us to la and san francisco. the politicians approved starts and ends in the boondocks where economist adrien moore lives. >> i live in a mountain town 50 miles to the nearest wal-mart. and the rail line in california comes right through my town. this thing is like the boondoggle of bond doing els. >> no one is living where you are living.
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we envision high speed rail los angeles, san francisco, san diego. >> that would cost another 100 billion. >> you are expecting private investors. >> private investors will be a part of the mix. >> have any come forward? >> not at this time. >> the private money was always a joke. private money will invest in something where they can make a profit. >> why does it happen? >> it is visionary. >> very, very vision fair re. >> trains will global lies our infrastructure. >> trains are romantic. >> he likes california amtrak trains. >> they are packed.
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this is the fastest growing in america. why? >> because it's cheaper. >> buses don't get the subsidy but they are cheaper than trains. >> 50 to go to delaware? i will take that. >> i don't have $200 to spend. >> or typically amtrak ticket from new york to dc costs $150 and a bus ticket just 20. >> it is cheap. >> today's buses are pleasant. they have extras like wi-fi and most important a bus can go where the people go. >> they are making money and
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doing a better job and growing because they are flexible. >> which raises the question why should taxpayers lose more money? >> people site new york subways as a reason the government must provide infrastructure. they transport lots of it. >> they can't do it because it is a profit of good. >> who built the subways? >> eisenhower or mare. >> union workers. >> but actually. >> built in 1878 before the brk lynn bridge before the statue of liberty. >> the subways in new york were all private. >> they carry passengers. >> people didn't like that. >> the mayor took advantage of that simple point. the government will take it over
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and we won't raise the fare. >> of course government did. >> now the fare is $2.50. now the government build subways. this subway was to be done in 1938 then they said 1980. now they say 2018. it has taken so long for the subway cars built for it which costs a million dollars each won't be used because they no longer hit the tracks and they no longer need the ultra violet lights they have to kill polio germs. they made it faster 150 years ago without this modern equipment. they had competition and their own money on the line. i wanted to recognize up front a number of officials elected officials. politicians have different like
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♪ ♪ >> john: finally >> people say i am going to washington to serve my fellow americans. they call it public service. but that's not what i notice when i look at how they live. >> upon first entering the home you have this incredibly gracious staircase. >> you could really see the crown molding when you get to the top. >> there are lots of expensive homes here. >> beautiful gourmet kitchen. culinary delight. >> all glass walls, ceiling, sky let. >> it is a steal at $2.8 million. >> our real estate market is proof. >> why is that? >> because government is main industry. >> we continue to have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country.
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>> so much so today for the firs time most of the richest counties in america surround washington, d.c. the rest of america had a housing recession. >> everybody else housing prices went way down. not in washington. >> it is special because the people who control the government and tax you live there. >> they live there and they like it there. >> lobbyists politicians, government contractors. >> consider where they work. many office buildings resemble fal lasses. >> it is like their side before the french revolution. people in washington never leave washington. >> congressmanal lon grace son lost his seat but then ran again and won. he says if there is royalty in america. >> it is not the congressman it
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is the lobbyists. they are the royalty of washington, d.c. who made it that way? >> you congressmen made it bypassing all of these laws. >> it is passed. >> if we have big government there's money to fight over. >> there is that argument. the real world is not in washington, d.c. >> it is on wall street he says. there is lots of money here. but there's a big difference. >> in the private sector if you can find a way to cut costs you are a hero. if you can find a way to cut costs in the bureaucracy you are a goat. they measure success by the size of their budget. >> and a big budget is a special interest reason to invest in dc. invest they have. unions say teachers are under paid. but their union sure looks rich. this is their headquarters building. >> it is worth a monhundred miln dollars. at thats an atrium oasis. it is impressive but they don't
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want us to take pictures of it. >> we can't take a picture of the beautiful atrium? they decided whether we could videotape? >> we have read about the beautiful lobby and i would like to show it to the viewers. >> it is like they are sucking money from the rest of the country and building palaces for yourself. >> i have been to the building. i didn't feel that way at all. have you been to any mall in america in the past 20-years. >> yes. >> isn't it more grand? >> no. >> i would have to disagree. >> back outside the nea i would ask from one official to the next. >> fumed out a little more about what is going on. >> thank you. >> is there a reason? >> we are not okay. >> i tried another beautiful building. the headquarters of the afl,
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cio. the murals made of marble, glass and gold. >> john stossel with fox news. want to take pictures of the beautiful lobby. >> at least they let me wait inside. i had plenty of time to think about the 12,000 active lobbyists not working in washington. they are smart to be here since washington controls so much. but the union doesn't want you to see what they have got. >> i have been notified by our legal department we are not because of the estate of the mural we are not allowed to do that. >> the estate wouldn't allow it. >> bottom line is washington once a sleepy part-time home for politicians now resembles style. power brokers work in they go tome to a castle. >> beautiful shower. and his and her water closets.
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>> it helps us understand why people measpent millions to win jobs here. >> once they come into the gates they never leave. >> i am john stossel. thanks for watching. >> none of us should be negotiating on the debt ceiling. >> that's what the big spenders say and they get their way. what is this for the budget of someone you know. >> what do you think of these people they are making 24,000 to spend 35,000. they are almost 11,000 dollars in debt. >> they can get their priorities straight on what they need to be spending and saving money on. >> this is the federal budget. i took the zeros off. >> suppose america were personally trying to borrow from a bank. >> i would like to leave my debt


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