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it's moving on now to vietnam. we're also watching that situation. meanwhile, to make a donation to unicef's relief efforts, you can call toll-free 1-800-4-kids, or text relief to 864233, or go to their website, welcome to this special edition of fox news. tonight for the hour we pay tribute to the everlasting legacy of the reverend billy graham. following the presentation, "my hope america with billy graham," i'll be joined in studio for a panel discussion about the reverend. but first, sit back and enjoy this very special commercial-free broadcast. for 60 years, my father, billy graham, preached the
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gospel of jesus christ. and at 95 he has a message he would like to share with you right here from his home, and it's a message i believe that can change your life and change the direction of this nation. >> young billy graham -- >> reverend billy graham, one of the most inspirational spiritual leaders of the 20th century. >> thank you for coming, billy graham. >> dr. billy graham. >> a man who honors us by being here today. >> what your purpose? >> going to the whole world and proclaim -- >> he shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free -- shall make you free -- shall make you free. >> as i look back over my life, it's full of surprises. i never thought i would become friends with people in different countries all over the world.
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>> for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. >> look at the cross tonight. >> i see how god's hand guided me. >> love one another. >> when i began preaching many years ago, it was not with any thoughts that i would be preaching to large audiences. >> come to the cross. his gospel is for everyone. >> god has done this. >> modern american today, there is a vacuum of the soul. >> our country is in great need of a spiritual awakening. there have been times i wept as i have gone from city to city and i've seen how far people have wandered from god. of all the things that i've seen and heard, there is only one message that can change people's lives and hearts. >> there is a way if you come by the way of the cross.
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>> i want to tell people about the meaning of the cross. not the cross that hangs on the wall or around someone's neck. >> we received our freedom purchased by the ransom of the cross. >> but the real cross of christ. >> the cross expresses the great love of god for man. >> it's scarred and bloodstained. his was a rugged cross. >> his real purpose for coming was to die. >> i know that many will react to this message, but it is the truth. and with all my heart, i want to leave you with the truth. >> god says i love you. i love you, i love you with an everlasting love. >> he loves you, willing to forgive you of all your sins. >> on our churches we have a cross. it's embossed on our bibles. >> i thought the cross was a
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relic. it was a medallion on a necklace at best. >> it's an ornament we wear around our necks, christians and non-christians. >> the cross really didn't have any meaning to me except for something artistic that rock stars wore. >> but talk about the depth and the real meaning of the cross and it becomes an offense. why is that? >> the cross is offensive because it confronts people. even so, it's a confrontation that all of us must face. >> i was really hurting, and just didn't understand the source of all my pain and problems. ♪ i spent my whole life just burdened for something.
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hungering for something, thirsting after, chasing this thing that i couldn't put my finger on ultimately. i was abused by older people, some in the family, some outside of the family. so as i got older, i always talked back, i always got in fights. my whole world was surrounded by guns and drugs and gangs. i remember in front of all my friends just telling them to watch this. and as a lady was driving down the street, i jumped in the middle of the street and pointed the gun right at her. just to see her panic and freak out. and it was just me seeking power. >> my mom always told me about god. i think i had an idea that god
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was big and good, but as time went on and i saw more and more tragic things happen around me, i think that was the beginning of me just questioning everything about life and about god. when i was 10 years old, my stepdad came to pick me up and he said that my cousin kelly was dead. i remember being so mad and really just deciding that if god was big and good, why wouldn't he protect my cousin, who is so tiny and so awesome, such a funny, brilliant little guy. why wouldn't god protect him from a huge muscle guy like his stepdad, who beat him to death? >> i look out across an audience
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when i stand up to preach, and i think of all the people with their different backgrounds and their various needs, and i know that they are objects of god's mighty love. to the point that he gave his son, his own son to die upon a cross. and the cross was the most terrible form of execution by the romans for criminals. and jesus endured all that in our place because offous sins. we deserve the cross. we deserve hell. we serve judgment and all that that means. i know that many people that dispute that. people don't want to hear that they're sinners. to many people it's an offense.
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the cross is offensive. because it directly confronts the evils which dominates so much of this world. >> you see, the bible teaches that all of us are wrong. we've all gone astray. we've everyone turned to his own way. and when we turn to our own way, we go astray from god's way. and that includes the whole human race, and that's why the world is in such terrible danger right now. it's not dangerous so much because we have atomic bombs, it's dangerous because of the human heart in back of the bombs, filled with envy and hate and strife and greed and lust and all the other things that could pull the trigger.
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>> i remember thinking that same year that my cousin died about the depth of the evil in the world. i never wanted to have kids. just a new person to suffer. and that was the year i started to cry myself to sleep every night and stopped believing in god. i couldn't get away from my own depression. so i started studying other religions. there was a lot of nice ideas, but there wasn't any tangible healing. and i remember thinking i'm tired of the pain in my heart. i'm tired of going to bed that way. i'm tired of feeling like a burden. i'm just tired of not knowing why i'm alive. and so i remember the night i
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laid in bed and i knew i was going to commit suicide the next day. i knew that i was not going live past tomorrow. >> by 16 i was getting high on a daily basis and got involved with woman after woman after woman. and when you mix drugs, you mix alcohol, you mix youth, it's cause for an explosion. ♪ >> my mother was really concerned about me. i remember she just grabbed a bible and said i don't know what to do, but you just need to read this bible. you know, i remember taking the pages of the bible and just ripping them out and throwing them on the ground and saying i don't care about your god, i don't care about this. this doesn't mean anything to me.
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>> one reason that the cross is an offense to people is because it demands, doesn't suggest, it demands a new lifestyle in all of us. sin is a disease in the human heart. it affects the mind and the will and the emotions, every part of our being is affected by this disease. how can we break this bondage? how can we be set free? god helps us break those chains. the bible says if any man being christ is a new creature, old things pass away. everything becomes new.
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he can make you a totally new person. >> on the day that i planned to commit suicide, i came home from school and my grandma was there, and she wasn't supposed to be there. and she looked at me and said there is something wrong with you. you're going to go to church. i was like no way i'm going to church, and she screamed at the top of her lungs. we were fighting back and forth. and i just didn't want to listen to her yell anymore. and so i decided fine, i'll go. and then afterwards, i'll go ahead and follow through with my plan. so i went to the back of the church and slumped down in my chair and hated everybody in the room. and the pastor started speaking, and i hated him more than anyone.
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and he says there is a suicidal spirit in the room. and of course all the hairs stood up on the back of my neck. this is really weird. and i got up and went to the door. a white-headed man was standing there, and he stopped me. the lord wants me to speak to you. he wants you to know that even though you've never known an earthly father, that god will be a better father to you than any earthly father could ever be. god knows the pain in your heart. he has seen you cry yourself to sleep at night. the idea was so overwhelming to me. he is, like, do you want me to pray for you so that jesus can take the pain out of your heart. he put his hand on my shoulder and started to pray. it was as if the god of the universe showed up right in front of me. and the first thing i noticed
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was that god was holy and good. and the second thing i noticed was that i was so not holy and not good. >> i was in a really dark place. i was really lonely, really depressed. and a friend of mine reached out and invited me to a conference. and i'm thinking why not. my mind was blown when i got there. i had never seen anything like it. i saw guys with bullet wounds and ex-gang members who loved jesus. and i had never seen anything like that before. and so i was intrigued. i'll never forget the pastor. you know, he started talking about jesus and talking about him in an intense way that i had
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never thought about before, had never just imagined jesus as a real person going through real things. i just kind of thought of him as this very off distant person. but he brought it home to me. and he started talking about jesus being beaten and being whipped for a crime he didn't commit, and the skin being ripped off his back, and him having to in the midst of his pain carry this cross up this mountain of a skull, and being pinned to this cross. it was so vivid and visual to me, it was like i could see this happening to jesus. and i remember him saying like how dare you tough guys call my jesus a punk, you know. look at what he went through. and then the preacher said "do you not know you have been bought with the price?" and it just came to a head.
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it was like wow. >> on that cross was laying on jesus our sins. they not only put nails in his hands, but before that, they had scourged him. a roman scourge was a terrible thing. they took whips and pellets on those whips and beat a person almost to death. and then they took that cross and made him carry the cross, which was in his weakened condition was almost impossible. but he carried that cross to a place outside of jerusalem. and then they put nails in his hands, but that was not the real suffering.
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the real suffering is when he said my god, why have thoust forsaken me? in that terrible moment, he and god the father were separated. he shed his blood, and the shedding of that blood carries with it god's very life. >> the blood is the meeting place between god and man, and the bible says without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness. and that's what christ was doing on the cross. he was making atonement for our sins, and he was shedding his blood. now, when you take the blood out, that means you're giving your life. and that's what it means. it means the life of christ. the cross and the resurrection of christ offers forgiveness of sin, offers a whole new life,
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and offers you eternal life if you come to the crosby repentance and faith. >> jesus literally took all of this on his own back for me. you know, i remember bowing out, just head touching the ground and saying i'm sorry, god, i'm sorry. but one step led to another which led to another. and, you know, i was back drinking and sleeping around with women. and the conviction that i was now feeling was so strong, and i remember driving on the highway just thinking to myself, god, you got to do something, because if you don't do something, i might hurt myself or hurt somebody else. i don't know what is going to happen, but just don't kill me. i get cut off by a truck, and my
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truck just starts tipping until it flips over and starts rolling fast. the glass is coming in, the windshield cracks. i'm not wearing a seat belt at all. so i'm kind of floating around the car. and i looked myself over. there was just a piece of glass stuck in my arm. and i pulled it out, and that was it. i said lord, i need to get with you. i need you to change me. i need you to really make this real, and i need to stop running from you. i was genuinely trying to know him more and read my bible and grow, and i really began to be a passionate christ follower. >> but you set me free, i gave you no reason to give me new seasons, new life, new breathing, but you hung there bleed for my lies and my lust and cheating. what is a man -- >> i realized you don't earn
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righteousness, that none of us is righteous, and that our works are like filthy rags to god. ♪ ♪ like a hero in a dream, christ came and he rescued me ♪ >> jesus lived the life i could not live and died the death i should have died. you know, that gets me every time just to think, man, i gain everything. i put my trust in him. >> if god had looked at me and said go away forever, he would have been right. it would have been justice. the same time i felt that, i felt him inviting me to an
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embrace of grace and love unconditional. it was like god is saying i love you. i know you're tired of the way you've been living, and i will make you new if you will let me. my heart was just yes. it just said yes. i need that. i want that. please. and that's why i woke up the next day. i just felt such a peace and a joy almost that i had never felt before. jesus saved my life, and on top of everything else, the life of my son and the new baby that wouldn't be if jesus hadn't intervened and rescued me.
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and the almost overwhelming thing is to think that jesus became sin, and it was my sin, and it was things that i've done that housed him on the cross. it was things that i've done. he hung naked on a cross bleeding in a shameful way so that i would never have to be ashamed for the things that i have done. the truth is -- the truth is there is no other way besides christ and what he did. there is no life outside of that. >> there is no other way of salvation except through the cross of christ.
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jesus said i'm the way, the truth, and the life. no man cometh to the father but by me. the only way to the father, father god is through his son, jesus christ. now why jesus? he is the only one that was born into this world without sin. but more than that, he was a righteous one. and when you come to him, you're clothed in his righteousness. god no longer sees your sin. he no longer sees your own heart, he sees jesus. >> now i don't understand all about it. there are many things about the cross and about salvation that i do not understand, and i'm not told that i have to understood it all. i'm told that i'm to believe. and anybody can believe. a blind man with believe. a deaf man can believe. an old person can belief.
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a young person can believe. and that word believe means commit. i commit my life totally to him. jesus christ from the cross says i will save you, i will forgive you, i will change you, i'll make you a new person if you come to the crosby repentance and faith. come to christ. >> when you come to christ, you come by the way of repentance. repent means to change, to change your way of living and turn from your sins and turn to jesus christ and say i'm a sinner. i need forgiveness. and i know that you're the only one that can change me.
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♪ dark that violent day, the whole earthquaked and lost ♪ ♪ three days silence in the ground, this body born for heaven's crown ♪ but on the bright and glorious day heaven opened up the grave ♪ ♪ here's a life risen indeed, praise him god, the mercy tree ♪
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♪ hallelujah, hallelujah, jesus christ has overcome, he has risen ♪ >> the bible says in spite of our rebellion and rejection, god loves you. he loves you so much that he gave his son to die for your sins. and when christ died on that cross, he became guilty of lying. he became guilty of slander. he became guilty of jealous. he became guilty of the most filthy dirty sins. christ took the hell that you and i deserve. now god said receive him, believe in him, put your trust and your confidence in him, and i will forgive your sins and i will guarantee you eternity in heaven. it's all yours and it's all free. all you have to do is receive it.
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>> today i'm asking you to put your trust in christ. i'm going to ask you to pray this prayer, sentence by sentence after me. dear heavenly father, i know that i'm a sinner. and i ask for your forgiveness. i believe you died for my sins and rose from the dead. i turn from my since. i repent of my since. i invite you to come into my heart and life. i want to trust and follow you as my lord and savior. in jesus' name, amen.
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>> he is alive. i've given my life not to a dead christ but to a living christ, and he has given me a song to sing. he has given me a flag to follow. i have reason for existence. i know where i've come from. i know why i'm here. i know where i'm going. do you? >> if you just parade that prayer with my father, we've got some resources that we would like to give you to. these are resources that will help you grow in your faith in jesus christ. just call that number that is on the screen or go to our website. the material is there. but i would like you to remember this. that god loves you and the bible tells us that god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that who so ever believeth in shall not perish but have everlasting life. god loves you. god bless you, and thank you for
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welcome back. joining me welcome back. joining me now to help celebrate the lasting legacy of the reverend billy graham are the founder of family talk, dr. james dobson, and people can find his show at also with us fox news chief religion correspondent loren green is back with us. he is the grandson of the reverend billy graham and the
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author of one-way love, tollian is with us. did i say that right? >> perfectly. >> we were joking about that. dr. dobson, you and i have been friends for many, many years. it's funny. everybody that i know that has a religious orientation, it doesn't matter what their faith, what particular denomination, they love billy graham. he had this special something that others never got to that level. what is the difference? >> i don't know that i can explain it, sean, except the fact that this is a great man. i think he is one of the finest men that america ever produced. i met him at a -- one of his evangelistic crusades in calgary. i had never met him. i came in and sat on the platform. he always came a little bit late. and he came in. he walked across the platform, and i stood up.
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and he put his hand forward. and i said dr. graham, i'm so glad to meet you. and he said oh, don't call me that. call me billy. and i couldn't do it because of my respect for him. and i just have watched him for all these years, and i'm very grateful. >> they run old sermons of his on religious channels? >> they still work. they still move you. >> very powerful. >> i mean, you cover religion here at the fox news channel. you do a terrific job. what are your thoughts? >> my thoughts really occur on two levels. a personal level as well as a professional level. i cover a religion. so of course billy graham is the pastor to the presidents. he has met with every president from world war ii up until barack obama. that's the legacy in itself. talking a little bit in the green room about how he founded, cofounded gordon conwell seminary in boston.
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that's a seminary my pastor actually went to. he started a church in new york that became a megachurch, 6,000 members, eight services a day, planting churches all over the country and the world. that's the legacy of billy graham. i mean, it operates on so many different levels. >> i'm spoken to franklin graham, his son, who by the way franklin gave the reverend a little bit of a hard time growing up. you said you were worse. >> without question. my mom can testify to that. >> i was perfect, though. >> glad to hear that. >> well, the bible says be perfect. okay. but there was being in that family, did you feel pressure to live up to that very, very high standard that this man set? >> surprisingly, never. and i think the reason was because my grandmother and my grandfather, and we cannot forget her, i mean she really, really was the anchor of the family. she was amazing, died in 2007.
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but they both carried themselves so humbly. they really genuinely believed both of them that they were nothing, simply tools in god's hands. they were simple in many ways. so they never put off this aura that they were important or more important than anybody else. and so we grew up in a very, very normal atmosphere. and there was never -- i mean, there is 19 grandchildren. i'm the only one who is pastoring a church. and what that shows is that they didn't pressure on their grandkids or their kids to get into the family business, as i heard someone -- >> franklin and annie graham lot. >> they don't pastor a church. they have ministries, but don't pastor a church. i've interviewed tullian and will graham, your cousin, and it's the same way. all of them have this humility about here. i'm here because i believe in the gospel. i believe in what my grandfather
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taught and my father taught. they're not there because i want this to be a part of the family business. >> right. >> and when you hear the stories about tullian, believe me, he was bad. >> okay, now. let's get to the interesting stuff. >> there was no judgment by billy graham. >> well, franklin said that too, that his father was very patient, waited for him until the day that he came and was saved. he tells that whole story. >> both my grandmother and my grandfather were remarkably unconditional people, unconditional. i mean, there was never any sense from either of them that we will love you and accept you if you behave. >> do you have a sense of who this grandfather was, or was he just granddad to you? >> i mean, i didn't know anything different. but as you get older. >> you become aware of it. >> you start going to crusade, evangelistic crusades and you see 40, 50, 60,000 people showing up to hear your grandfather preach, he has always been daddy bill to me.
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that's what we called him. but yeah, you get a sense as you get older he is a big deal and he's what had a big impact. >> one of his last crusades was in new york. i had never interviewed him. >> yeah. >> by the way, i went through a process of being interviewed before i could do the interview. because he had a lot of people around him protecting him, especially as he was getting on. i'll never forget. i want to play a portion of it. but after our interview, when it was his time to go up and preach, yeah. >> he had a walker at the time. i mean it was like he was on a mission, focused. and i'll never forget that moment. but anyway, here is part of the interview i had at his last crusade in new york city. watch. this. >> how you feeling? >> i'm feeling fine. >> you look good. >> well, thank you. >> now, they keep saying that this is your last crusade. >> it may be. >> do you think it might be? >> it might be. i don't have physical strength to go very much longer. >> yeah. >> and my wife is an invalid. i have responsibilities at home
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now that i haven't had in the past. >> what does that mean to you that this is your last crusade? >> it means it's great to be in new york for the last one, because i've held so many in this area. in 1957 we were here 16 weeks every night. >> great. that was the amazing thing. it was only supposed to go on for a couple of weeks. then you said we'll have one last night in yankee stadium. you didn't have room for 20,000 people. 120,000 people showed up. >> that's right. >> and then you ended up doing it throughout the center through labor day. you never planned on it. new york is particularly special for you? >> it's very special. i love new york. and every time i see that new york that has red on love, i feel myself in there with the people. >> what is it, reverend, about you that you can attract these crowds that others cannot attract? >> i don't think i attract them. i think that i started out with
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some friends in the media, became a very close friend, and randolph hearst who i never met, but he certainly helped support us in the beginning. and a lot of that type of thing. and in england i had held a major crusade there before i came to new york, and we had stayed there 12 weeks. and we were supposed to stay two or three weeks. and they played it up big in the press. then i toured europe. and all the stadiums we went to were filled in fact berlin, we have 100,000 people in one night in berlin. >> you have -- i looked at the numbers. you have for 60 years over 210 million men, women, and children it's estimated. >> i'm not sure than. >> well, that's what it says. >> i know. maybe more or less. >> somewhere around there. when you think back on your life, you've been at this for
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six decades. do you remember when you were called to do this? do you remember when you thought this was going to be -- -- >> yes, i remember the first sermon i ever preached. i'm going to tell about it how i was very nervous and very tense, and i had four sermons. i preached them all four in ten minutes. and that was the beginning in a place called bostick, florida, northern florida. a little tiny church. it was a cold night, about 40 people. and i was so nervous. >> tullian reminds me that was the night we met. >> its only other time we met. it took me seven years to be invited to be on your show. >> dr. dobson, you've been here. tell us about your times with him. you were at obviously there the night they put this whole thing together recently. >> i was. i spoke at the cove a couple of weeks ago. and i have kind of woven myself
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in and out of events where dr. graham was speaking. one of the most memorable -- and you may have been there -- was right after 9/11 at the washington cathedral. president bush, george w. bush was speaking, and billy graham prayed. and it was the most moving thing that i have experienced. what i love about him is that he kept his life clean, despite all of the, you know, that goes along with that. he never has a scandal of any type. he is faithful to his family. this is no mismanagement with money, at least nothing i knew about. and i just -- >> but he went out of his way -- he wouldn't get in an elevator. >> right. >> with a woman alone. >> that's right. >> he didn't want to be put in that position. that's very unique.
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>> that's because -- that's called the modesto manifesto and they got together and decided how to keep their lives clean. and that was one of the provisions. that he would not be with a woman alone. >> in any situation or circumstance. >> by the way, no one would ever be with me alone anyway. so i don't have to worry about that. but tell us than on a serious note. >> just like dr. dobson mentioned, they were pretty serious. they were young guys. he and his team were a group of young guys. they were traveling the country. all of them were married. and they knew what had typically brought evangelists down in the past -- money issues, sex scandals, and they wanted to make sure that they stayed faithful for the long haul. >> right from the beginning. >> right from the beginning. >> even the appearance of scandal they would do without. even from the beginning there was financial accountability. he formed the billy graham evangelist foundation 1950. it was run by a board of
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directors. he was paid a salary, a very modest salary. even the royalties from his books went to the billy graham evangelistic association. you could open the books and it would be totally clean. this is how he has run this ministry from the very beginning. >> aboveboard from top to bottom. >> yeah. >> i wonder, you know, those that followed and the scandals that have, it had enormous damage in terms of people -- i won't mention the names. we know the names. but people that put their faith and hope and trust in ministers, and then when they fall, it has a huge impact, dr. dobson, as you know. >> it ripples. it ripples through the christian community. it does great damage. and that's why i appreciate billy graham so much, because he has been the place holder for righteousness. he is not a perfect man. he would tell you he's not a perfect man, and tullian will have to tell us that he was gone too much really for even his own
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children. but he lived a standard of righteousness for all of us to see. >> yeah. >> well you did too with focus, the years you were at focus on the family. and i think you're a good example of that. all right. hang on. we've got to take a break. we'll have more with our distinguished panel, coming up right after this break.
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welcome back. before i bring back my and welcome back. before i bring back my distinguished panel, let me show you more of my interview with the reverend billy graham from back in 2005. i looked a little younger. >> when you think that this might be your last crusade, how would you like after six decades, how do you want people to remember you? >> i want them to remember me that i was faithful, faithful to the gospel, faithful to the call
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that god gave me. and when i get to heaven, i'm going to ask him why he called me, because i was much used to milking cows and working on a farm than i was preaching. >> your son franklin. >> yes. >> earlier today told me that he felt you were like a turtle put on the top of a fence pole. in other words, you couldn't have got there by yourself. >> absolutely. i had to have my wife. i had to have a wonderful staff of people through all the years. i started out as a president of a small college in minnesota in 1947, i believe. and i had five years of experience in a college. and then we went to los angeles, and the press got wind of what we were doing, and went to boston which was my next series of meetings. that was in 1950. >> you mentioned something that stuck with me. do you not know what you're going to say tonight?
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>> yes, i pretty well know what i'm going to say. but it will be ad-libbed. i'm not going to read it. >> comes from the heart? >> it comes from the heart. it comes from what jesus said. >> do you, when you think back, do you think of things that you think you did right, your successes in life? do you think there is any area where you maybe failed? what are your greatest successes? >> i think i failed by not studying more and not praying more and spending more time with my family. >> has the world got worse in six decades? >> it's always been the same. everybody is a sinner before god. and i think we magnify today because we have technology and so many other technologies that make what happens in some other part of the world in our living room.
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>> but you don't think -- you don't see a difference? that's fascinating to me when you see all the changes in the world in the last 100 years and history and human evil. and you agree there is evil. >> well, look at 200 years ago. civil war where we were at each other's throats, brother against brother, cousin against cousin. and we haven't gotten that low yet. >> billy graham, it's an honor to meet you. >> oh, thank you. >> thank you very much. it's a great honor. >> thank you. >> this half hour we ran was a really important night. explain from your perspective. >> i believe everybody that sees this is going to be blown away. it put a lump in my throat. i think you all felt the same way. >> absolutely. >> and no commercials. how long has it been since that happened at fox? >> i'm hope thanksgiving do that with my show.
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but good political points i'm trying to make. >> it has a powerful message to it. >> but i also think it shows he has actually come full circle. he became -- he started out youth for christ movement. and here you've got these young people talking about their problems. and it shows that the message he was giving in 1945, 1950 is still relevant today. and it applies still to these lives, which are probably much more >> i want to get to that in a second. what were you saying off air about franklin? why are you picking on poor franklin? >> i am not. we a we call him the fun uncle. he taught us how to shoot guns. i am a boy from florida so when we would visit him we would shoot shot guns and uzis. i don't even know if those are legal. he had them, and we shot them. drove motorcycles. >> sent the cops over.
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>> go on harleys and jets. dirt bikes. i never experienced anything like that. >> you know what's interesting? dr. dobson you have been in this fight a long time. i have been criticized a lot for my positions over years. lauren you took a few hits every once in a while. it is amazing that that old -- as you watch society in many ways decline the message that he is saying would help society reverse the decline in many ways, in my opinion. but you can't talk about some of the things he talked about even 30 years ago. >> yet he has not changed that message one whip. i mean, he started out with a biblical message, the message not only of the need for a relationship with christ but forgiveness. he always emphasized forgiveness. even if you have really messed
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up, you can still go to christ and be forgiven for that. if you ever interview -- if he is ever interviewed he goes straight to the cross, always. always that same message, because he believes it down in his heart. >> i asked jerry fallwell once, he was on a controversial show. why did you do that show? as long as every show i get to say that jesus christ came to save you from your sins and he is there waiting for you, that accomplished it. that was it. >> i think the message of billy graham has been for the last 50, 60 whatever years has been about hope. which is why this is called "my hope america." this is the fundamental need of every human finding hope that is beyond themselves. that is the message today, yesterday, it plays decades ago and it will play in the future. >> losing reverend fall well, now billy graham up in years 95
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years old. have we lost -- is there a generation behind you that you see that you have a lot of hope in? >> i am hopeful, always hopeful, but we have lost a lot of ground. i found people are worried today. i had a woman tell me the other day, i have not been involved in politics or public policies, but i am scared. now a lot of people are frightened about what's happening in this country. we need the message of hope. >> there always seems to be -- i have always believed if you look at world war ii, winston churchill was the right man, right place, right time. reagan, a lot of people worried about america in the carter years right man, right place, right time. seems that leaders come, we are expecting a new emerging
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leadership, are you it? >> i am happy to preach the same message that my grandfather has preached for 60 years. >> do you study him? do you watch old tapes? >> no, i don't study him. my wife makes comments when she sees old footage of him preaching the same gestures. do you watch what he did and try to imitate it? no. i guess it's in the genes. no. i learn more by watching him privately than anything he said publically. what he said publically was the message of hope, a message of god's grace in the person and the work of jesus for sinners like me. it is what saw privately. he is the most humble person i have ever met in my life. >> great panel. good to see you dr. dobson,
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