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out of the debacle. >> all right. and for me, a quiet week in economics. cmi the market mover. thanks very much for being with us. happy easter. i'll see you tomorrow morning on the opening bell on the fox business network. on the "buzz beater" this sunday, indiana governor mike pence blaming the huge controversy over whether his state's religious freedom law allowed anti-gay discrimination on the media. >> yes or no if a florist in indiana refuses to serve a guy couple at their wedding, is that legal now in indiana? >> george, this is where this debate has gone with misinformation and -- >> the question, sir, yes or no? >> some of the reckless reporting by some in the media about what this bill was all about was deeply disappointing. >> with pence quickly retreating and signing a raerevised law, has
the press magnitude the mess? >> the "today" show oig asked elizabeth warn the question again and again and again. >> possibly i'm beating a dead horse, but did you ever entertain the possibility of running for president? >> no. >> why are the media determined to drag the massachusetts senator into the 2016 race? and uproar over jon stewart stewart's replacement, trevor noah. >> thought i'd never be afraid of release in america rather than south africa. leaves me nostal taltalgic for the old days. >> is this south african the right choice for the daily show oig? greg gutfeld weighs in. plus harvey binewine steep being a steen accused of groping an italian model. shoot press be getting gown in
the gutter? i'm howard kurtz sndand this is "#mediabuzz".sown in the gutter? i'm howard kurtz and this is "#mediabuzz". when mike pence signed the lady, the national media pounced pretty quickly. some with a more balanced approach than others. >> this evening there is a growing backlash against a law signed yesterday by the governor of indiana. supporters say it protects religious freedom. opponents say it legalizes discrimination. >> some say hoosier state's new religious freedom law opens the door to discrimination against gays and lesbians and now the protests are growing louder by the day. >> indianapolis star used their front page editorial to command that the law be fixed and the governor acknowledged the law needed to be changed.
>> my brother my cousin -- >> soon the pundits were waging a full-fledged warfare. >> that same thing that got vetoed in arizona mike pence just signed it. making indiana the first state in the country to move overtly wholesale on purpose to legalize and say the state approves of businesses about refusing service to people on the basis of sexual orientation. mike pence just did it yesterday. and it is landing with a thud will this his in his home state. >> wait a minute. gay rights not even mentioned and that is the most frequently used analogy and it regards -- in regards to this bill. >> joining us how to analyze the coverage, sharyl attkisson, matt lewis, and richard fowler. massive wave of media coverage,
arguing over the interpretation of this one state law. did that help transform this into a culture war? >> i think so. some want to be. i think by and large, though i found most of the media coverage fair. i think mike pence certainly had his say. i do think what i would be doing if i was still at cbs news and wanted something a little more in-depth, i'd be asking questions such as who are the special interests pushing these laws through state by state tell us more about those, who are the special interests who are challenging them. i want to know more about some of the behind the scenes stuff and i think there are many of the questions that could be explored. >> did mike pence's mishandling of the controversy if this front of the tv cameras pump this up? >> i think there are several reasons why the story went awry. the media do not tend to be a lot of orthodox christians in the media who might care more
about religious liberty. i think they're seeing it through a different frame. but i think that mike pence very early on botched this. i think he overestimated his ability as a communicator. prior to this he was seen as a very affable communicator. i think that he was unprepared. he thought he could go in there and spin stephanopoulos and fell on his face. and once that happens, the die die is cast. >> he repeatedly asked mike pens a yes or no question over and over and over. >> and we'll show that a little later p. so as the story moved from being about the indiana legislature and even being about christian conservatives to being about mike pence former congressman and possible future presidential candidate. >> i think the 2016 fix is in, howard. and so everybody is like is he running, is he not running. but i agree with the panel, he botched the stephanopoulos interview which set up what was a horrible week in politics for
indiana. and i think for the christian conservative vhave answer for why they're passing this law. you hear is this the same law clinton passed.answer for why they're passing this law. you hear is this the same law clinton passed. for-profit entities can espouse religion and that's why pence couldn't answer the question which is why the gay/rights movement is saying we won it battle. >> so here you have peps oigns of oig taking the position it's media's fault. sloppy reporting. and i want the renlgs lags tolegislation to change the law. didn't quite add up. >> well, he was trying to deal with the publicsh back that he was getting. but i think it's important not to be convinced where following the story where somebody is tells us to make it go. one example is the focus on christian conservatives. many christian conservatives do
not oppose gay marriage so we were lumping them into one position sometimes. also many do oppose gay marriage. an muslim population oppose gayness. so are we as news media being allowed to be led into covering things a certain way when we should be fair and broader and looking at ourselves rather than at what people want us to look at. >> at first it seemed the media debate was about the legal technicality was this indiana law like the federal law passed in the clinton administration, was it like the 19 other state laws. and then it heated up so much, even in arkansas, governor hutchinson asked for a rework for his legislation. so it became more than the dueling interpretation mess. >> and part of it is that governor pence missed an opportunity to actually talk about the law. i think he was overcoached in a
way and he was not being authentic, he was not answering stephanopoulos' question. >> you said a moment ago that you think take there isn't a lot of sensitivity in the minute stream media due to the concerns of religious conservatives. do you think therefore coverage was either way overbelow or biased? >> yes. >> they did change the law. >> i think that they're not a lot of orthodox christians in the mainstream media. there is this thing that has been talked about a lot this way called selma envy. a sense that activists want to make this into jim crow. a horrible flawed analogy. and i even think amongst journalists who want to see the work that we do as historic, it's easy to cast villains and victims. and i think that very clearly the media has seen that the folks on the side of dwagay rights are the victims. and religious liberty now seen
with scare quotes quite often whereas the bill is perceived the framing of it, as anti-gay bill, not as religious liberty bill. >> i think you have to follow the money here and the money here is corporations. most corporations are trying to figure out how do we penetrate the millennial demographic. a recent poll said 70% agree with gay marriage and also should be treated equally. so when these laws happen corporations get scared as we saw in arkansas with walmart. >> but this didn't happen in a vacuum. six months after the federal courts basically cleared the way for same-sex marriage to be legal in indiana. and three prominent marriage opponents signing similar to governor pence. >> i would think that as a nation we've just changed our views when it comes to lgbt. >> but everybody hasn't changed
their view. gay marriage is legal now in 37 states. we all see where this is heading legally and politically. but there is still a third of the country -- >> it's a 50/50 issue nationwide, but in the newsrooms 90/10. >> like i said we have more young people producing the shows they're the ones pushing forward the narrative. >> not necessarily reflecting in the news coverage what the reflection of america is. it's not that their job always to make everything 50/50 as it is in america, but too often i think maybe they're not taking into account the reflections of many people. >> when you're a network news reporter and you show both sides, but you have one group, case it's gays, claiming to be victims of insensitive republicans, is there bias? >> there is. and it's not even intentional in many cases, but a tendency to see sort of the yupdunderdog as the
victim. but we should also take care to look at the other viewpoint, the one that is maybe less pat latable for some of the people covering the news stories. what about religious freedom. i think there is a big question here, do the rights of lesbians and gays or the rights of those expressing their religious freedom to protect some of the constitution trump one another. whose rates are more important. >> there are potential victims on the searother side that could get highlighted. the grandmother that is forced to -- >> we don't have to be theoretical about it. very much pushed by social media, the owners of memory speaks of indiana, crystal o'connor who basically answered a hypothetical question saying she'd be happy to serve gays, but not to indicator a same sex wedding. there is so much vitreal on yelp that the place had to shut down for a while. and then ended up raising --
>> and one high school coach wanted to burn the pizza place down even. >> wasn't that intolerance -- i won't say the left, but certainly intolerance from that side. >> but i think there is an interesting battle here. the question i always have, i'm not saying if you were a guy person, why would you go to a place that you wouldn't want to be there. so i understand that argument. they're missing the story because they're so used to having one group versus another group that we're missing the yupd lie underlying story. i think they realized there is more to the story because you have a lot of younger christians who are like we're pro gay marriage, older people have sort of kree involveevolved their views. >> i do position this is a case of both media pressure and business pressure. all right. write to me on twitter.
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>> no. i'm not going to run. >> are you categorically saying i'm not running for president in 2016? >> i'm not running. i'm not running. p. >> so no way you're going to run? >> i'm not running for president. you can ask it lots of different ways. >> are you going to run for president? >> i'm not running for president. >> there's nothing that could change your mind? >> like i said, i'm not running for president. >> like an snl skit. why won't the media take no for an answer? >> because she should run. she's 65. so who knows how many other opportunities. and -- >> who is to decide here? she's not running. >> lightning doesn't strike twice. barack obama was in the senate for 15 minutes a cup of coffee and he made the right decision. you strike when the iron is the hot. >> you're like a political consultant. >> that's why the media won't give up. >> isn't it embarrassing when
elizabeth warren is being asked again and again the same question and giving 18 different variations of the same answer? >> in a way, but obama's famous last words were he was not going to run for president in 2008. so you don't wantt to be the reporter that doesn't ask the question. >> how many times do you ask? >> once or twice. >> because maybe you could beat her into submission? >> if you look at her answers beyond the first clip, i thought it was a weird phrasing and they probably thought so, too, when you say are you going to run and she says i'm not running, the answer is, no i'm not going to run. there was one version of that and the rest of the time, she kept saying i'm not running. of course you're not running now, but will you in the future? >> so trying to find a little loophole. is will this about the press desperately wants a competitor on the democratic side?
>> i think the press wants a race against hg.illary clinton. but feel back the layers. just like you see why people are so excited about ted cruz running because of the populous method. elizabeth warren has captured the progressive base and that i think for her, hillary clinton we're not sure if she can do it or not. >> and elizabeth warren has been able to capture the populous base of the journalist party. >> that can win you an election. i mean barack obama. >> i'm not denying that, but i will tell you this it's like a romance. the unattainable is more attractive. if she flipped tomorrow, we'd start to point out all her weaknesses. >> that's true. >> i disagree. when barack obama ran nobody pointed out the weaknesses.
the romance existed and he was able to -- >> the reason most of these journalists i think were probably so interested in elizabeth warren, she might be a candidate. >> we're not going to find out because she's not running. >> right now. >> all right. who knows. ahead on the "#mediabuzz," robert menendez indicted for bribery and some claim the obama administration is engaging in political pay back. but first harvey weinstein accused in a groping incident. not to be judgmental, but from where i'm sitting... it's your gas that's out of order in this court. the pressure. the bloating. get gas-x. it relieves all those symptoms in minutes. that's why it's the #1 gas relief brand.
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interviewed by police as last week after a womaning a accused her of groping her breasts and putting his hand up a skirt during a meeting. and then the new york "post" went after the italian model with the story saying she accepted tickets to attend a show and she once filed a suit against a, quote, sugar daddy. her camp striking back in the daily news saying she's not afraid of harvey. joining us now from new york, amy holmes. big spread in the daily post. does the new york "post" in your view trash the italian model on harvey weinstein's behalf? >> i think there is no doubt that the new york "post" has been running with the story of attacking the accuser, oh, and bhi by the way, exploiting those photos of her for their own gain. it seems to be saying look at this lying hussy.
no, really, you can't take your ice. i'm sure it sold many copies for the new york "post". >> doctorwhy would the "post" want to side with a movie titan who is prem presumed innocent of course, but accused of alleged harassment? >> why would they want to side with someone enormously successful and powerful and provides a lot of ink for that newspaper. and this is a 22-year-old formerly nobody, now apparently very well-known. and i think the new york "post" has a long standing relationship with lots of people in the entertainment industry and why you don't read more about the bad behavior in hollywood is because of that. >> so you're suggesting that if
you're somebody like wineeinstein has connections? >> and i'm sure they're not the only newspaper with that type of arrangement. the word powerful has a meaning, it means having power. but i would point out the daily news did use the picture and i think are just as guilty as exploiting- exploiting using that photo their reporting had more to do with the actual police case. p this woman did go to the police immediately. apparently there was a phone call set up by police where they were listening in and the new york daily news has -- that's the angle they have been taking. >> and they often take different sides on these stories. daily news reporting a of coursesource saying she's not afraid of
harvey weinstein. but are the points in the original story fair game the fact that she is said to have accepted the tickets and she had a past sexual harassment suit? >> well, i think once these accusations do get out in to the public square, yes both sides you know if it's true they get to make their case. this is obviously being tried in the court of public opinion. we'll see if it ever actually gets to an actual court. but these are really serious accusations against someone and we don't even know if they're true. so of course it's fair for the other team to come out guns blazing. >> an these are serious accusations and i have to commend you on your restraint and not going for any of the obvious puns. >> but this segment has also been using those photos. >> only with some restraint. amy holmes thanks.
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he was not born in africa, born in hawaii. >> yeah, right. >> now noah is being smacked around for a series of insensitive jokes he posted on twitter. almost bumped a jewish kid crossing the road. he didn't look before crossing but i still would have felt bad in my german car. people will get drunk and think i'm sexy. to reduce my views to a handful of jokes that dpts land is not a true reflection of my character nor my evolution as a comedian. with me greg gutfelded. welcome. >> thanks for having me. >> as an aspiring comedian do you have sympathy for a comic who is suddenly under fire for offending this or that group
based on jokes therefrom years past? >> well i'm neither a comedian or aspiring comedian. i take offense to that. >> you play one on tv. >> no, comedian actually gets up on stage and tells jokes. i don't come that. >> so do you think the outrage is a little over the top? >> it always is. it's always over the top. the interesting thing about it is the left had assumed the people that were going to get angry with about his jokes or his tweets would be from the right. however, it's the left that were mostout raged over what they perceived to be sexist and racist jokes. they missed the fact that they're actual jokes. but it reads as too disturbing elements about twitter. one, it's a great place for manufactured outrage. it's a laysplace to go if you're bored and you want to get angry about something. >> or you've been drinking. >> exactly. i think that was directed at me. but it only lasts 48 hours.
people get really angry, they demand contrition and then they you've on to somebody else. and it will happen to you. it's happened to me. it happens to everybody. and that is why we got to say enough. we have to declare a truce on phony manufactured outrage. i wrote a book on it a couple years ago. i thought it was reaching its peak back then. now it's actually worse. the cycle has accelerated so that it's almost every two to three days there, is a new outrage. >> this is now broader than twitter i'd say. and i give comedians a lot of leeway because all comedy could owe depend somebody. but just to read you one, he retweeted somebody who said blue eyed people have a higher alcohol tolerance and he wrote lower jew tolerance. >> i don't even think that's the worst one. these are -- they're not just
unfunny, they're kind of mean. but again i go back to the fact that i have to give everybody a pass. if it's a joke i have to give them a pass even if it's a bad joke. this is it the other disturbing thing about about twitter. him on twitter trevor on twitter is not likeable. i mean when you read those tweetses it's like who is this by? guy? then you watch his actual performances and he's very funny. he's a fun ny guy and he makes fun of everybody. but there is a weird thing that is focused on jews in his tweets. >> jews fat women. and let me readed you another one. flying over the middle of america turbulence is so bad, like all the i go authorize raps is rising through the air. he's from south african he's an outsider. risqué to be taking all these shots at the u.s. of a.? >> i don't care if you're an
outsider. however the problem with that joke isn't that he's from south africa it's because he's so predictable. like he was checking off the litmus box of what makes an successful comedian on comedy central make the assumption that americans are ignorant racists and basically make jokes about israel. he does that. those are acceptable in the people that watch "the daily show". >> and trevor noah has put out sort of a defensive statement to say shouldn't this guy come out, do a couple big tv interviews, try to diffuse it with a little humor, put on his big boy pabtssnts and face the music? >> here is the irony. i'm defending this guy because he made some really bad jokes. when he's in his new job, i
doubt he will ever return the favor to me because i worked at fox news. the moment i screw up or i say something that can be taken out of context, he'll step on my drowning head. so i'd like to think that i'm doing the nice thing by saying give this guy a break, he's young, he's made some stupid tweets. by the way, twitter is really dumb. you're not even being paid for it. i do it. i come home after work, i have flee glasses three glasses of wine, i get on twitter. the next day i wake up and go what did i do? i'm defending his right to contempt me. >> thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. coming up shannon bream on the bribery case against senator menendez, why are some commentate at a time tors saying it's politically motivated?
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tricked into starting this investigation three years ago with false allegations by those who have a political motive to science me. >> we've nopeknown about these allegations for a while. so it is questionable and you do have to ask is the doj using the law to be absolutely punitive to even political scores. >> some concerns were raised a few years ago. at the time, senator menendez was not criticizing the administration as he is now. do you think there is a connection? >> yes, i think there's a connection. >> joining us now shannon bream. nice to have on you "#mediabuzz" "#mediabuzz". >> nice to be with you. >> justice department has charged sthorenator menendez as a matter of political payback? >> and he's really pushed back on cuba.
so they have been at odds and the white house has strenuously pushed back at him. but as several mentioned a lot of these things were in the works years ago. early 2013 there were reports that there was a grand jury already looking at some of this relationship between menendez and this eye doctor in south florida. they say they're long time friends, but the 68 pagen dimt en indictment accuses something much different. >> i think a group of career prosecutors have a basically good reputation for independent independence. what about the obama can doj had dropped charges? >> right. and that's one of the things that happened this will week, also, they did decide not to pursue charges against lois lerner. she was the irs official. it doesn't drop all of the
investigations, but it does drop the criminal charges. remember she took the 50s. house held her in contempt, referred the charges to the u.s. attorney. and he sent an extensive letter to the speaker of the house and said i'm not sending it to the grand jury. so the decision not to go after her for contempt charges on the same day essentially we hear of the aboutenendez charges the appears appearance isn't good. >> so even if it doesn't have anything to do with politics, the timing is suspect? >> because it's been going on for the past couple of years -- >> why now. we all kind of knew this was coming. and i don't detect that much outrage in the media over this.
everybody's reported the details of the luxury vacations and five star hotel. got about $700,000 stored his re-election campaign from in guy sal monday melgen. is there a feeling in the press that politics as usual, they all trade favors and why -- >> you and i live here in washington and have covered capitol hill. but there is a lot of this that you see that goes on. and srm people arecertainly people are friends with some of their biggest donors. bribery charges saying menendez knowingly took things of stral in exchange of acting on behalf of melgen. and will arethere are many cases where he did intercede with cms, with border patrol, all kinds of ways that he or his staff are allegedly stepping in to intervene for melgen.
>> reminds me of the commission of robert mcdonnell and his wife who said he was helping a friend but taking lots of favors and money and did not get off the hook. last point is that the liberal norg "new york times" surprising people by saying menendez should step towndown. saying essentially he can't represent the people of new jersey and that he should step down and let someone else take the shannon bream, nice to see you. after the break, the consensus conversation over the religious freedom law. and the cnn reporter who got harry reid to admit he doesn't regret lying about mitt romney. video verdict is next.
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krerkt. indiana governor was determined to defend his state's new religious freedom law when he appeared this week and george stephanopoulos asking again and again does this law allow discrimination against gays. here's what happens. >> is advanced america right when they say a florist in indiana can refuse to serve a gay couple without fear of punishment. >> the purpose of this bill is to empower and has been for more than 20 years. the government overreached. >> your supporters say it would. yes or no. if a florist in indiana refuses to serve a gay couple at their wedding, is that legal now in indiana? >> george this is where this
debate has gone with miss information and -- >> it's just a question, sir yes or no. >> there's been shameless rhetoric about my state and the law and its intention all over the internet. some of the media coverage of this has been shameless and reckless. >> final yes or no question governor. do you think it should be legal in the state of indiana to discriminate against gays or lesbians? >> george. >> it's a yes or no yes. >> hoosiers don't believe in discrimination. >> what do you think, george? >> there's nothing that peeks your interest more than when someone won't give an answer to a simple question. that makes you think you need to poke around. judging from what i've seen since then pence might have been well served to say that's not true. this will be decided on a case by case basis by a court. someone will arbitrate that. instead by deflecting the question, it was evasive
sounding. >> it was a fascinating 11 minutes because politicians count on the reporter giving up. george steph pop lis went the entire 11 minutes and stuck to it. he did it in a way where he wasn't badgering pence or interrupting him. he let him give long answers. that's why i think it was very effective and pence couldn't get out of his own way. harry reid once ripped the coke brothers has un-american and said mitt romney hadn't paid any taxes for ten years. it was false. we asked the minority leader about that. >> no regrets about mitt romney? >> no. they can call it whatever they want. >> kudos to dana bash for asking the questions but this would be
big news if you were to play the substitution game and put a prominent republican in his place. let's say romney did that. it would have made big headlines. >> especially giving the lack of regret by harry reid. dana bash asked the right question. i was stunned that "the new york times" didn't do a story on this. i fail to understand how when you have a guy who is a senate majority leader and says a lie and doesn't even say i regret it. . >> why should he regret it? he's -- there's no reason for him to apologize. he sounded fairly proud of the fact that he thought that was part of why romney didn't get elected. >> good for cnn.
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they want to be in business with this guy. time for your top tweets as the religious freedom law. has it been fair to both sides? >> i don't think the media has done a good job deciding this rjs religion choice should have more sway than orientation. >> facts only lead to one conclusion. i disagree. i think there are strong personal feelings. heidi stevens is a columnist who has been given hate mail for a picture in which her hair is on the untame side. >> one women anyone who thinks the hair style you have is attractive likely is overflowing with too much narcissism.
>> i think people think you're making a statement in with your hair even when you're not. you don't spend a whole bunch you do spend a bunch of time. people think they can read into your personality by your hair. >> a newspaper columnist with no credibility unless she has perfect hair. at least for men the only requirement is that we have hair. >> some hair stories. at my first job i had been anchoring a couple of weeks and my news director called me in. there's a tape machine. he played clips on different days and he said your hair looks different every single day. >> it wasn't about the journalism but the hair. thanks. >> happy easter and happy passover as well. check out after the buzz where i'll be analyzing the tentative nuclear deal with iran.
we'll also talk next week about the review of the rolling stone article by columbia journalism review. back next sunday. 11:00 and 5:00 eastern with the latest buzz. ♪ . >> christians around the world celebrating one of the most sick red days on their calendar. marking the resurrection of jesus christ more than 2,000 years ago. solemn prayer and reflection. happy easter and passover. hello, everyone. welcome to america's news head quarters. >> happy easter and happy pass over. the pope leading mass at the vatican before tens of thousands of the faithful braving a downpour to pack the square. delivering a message of hope and calling