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twitter, and let us know what you think. that's all the time we have left this evening. set your dvr so you never miss an episode of hannity"hannity"," because we mitt you. we hope you have a great weekend. is baltimore city states attorney marilyn mosby scaring police from keeping the nation safe? well tonight, "on the record" investigates what's behind the recent violent crime wave. new numbers show may was the most violent month in baltimore since the 90's. 43 murders in may alone. mosby also under fire for asking a judge to block the release of freddie gray's autopsy and other quoted, sensitive documents. just hours ago, "on the record" obtaining this legal document filed by the lawyers representing all six baltimore police officers who are indicted in the death of freddie gray. the police officers' lawyers arguing that the states attorney is orchestrating relentless unfair prejudicial publicity about the defendant. that's the police. and tonight from of the case
marilyn mosby under fire. >> if this is not the clearest case of prosecutorial misconduct, i don't know what is. >> she has the perception that she was the prosecutor, the judge jury, and executioner. >> her rhetoric is so abusive. >> she seems so jay vee on this. >> she needs to move out of the way. >> she needs to step down from this prosecution. >> where is her code of ethics? she certainly checked it at the door. >> i think she rushed to judgment. >> she is politically charged. >> done nothing but poison the jury pool. >> former homicide detective and criminal defense lawyer ted williams joins us. ted, this document alone that was filed by these lawyers for the police officers, they are going straight at her saying that she is doing everything to unfair prejudicial publicity about them orchestrated by the state that's her. >> you know, there is a lot to be said about that, greta. nobody knew who marilyn mosby was other than she was the states attorney for baltimore. she came out in front of the
nation rock star and she mall lined maligned these police officers. there is nothing wrong with a prosecutor coming out and saying i'm bringing these charges and that if you leave it at that and walk away, have you done your job. when you go out and say that these are no justice no peace, that we're gonna seek justice for the citizens and that kind of stuff it's all extra judicial and it's sad that she has done this. >> i will take it one step further than you ted. when she came out and made that statement and she added last sentence at the end has enraged so many people as being political rather than just the facts i'm doing my job as the states attorney. she made -- since that point she has enraged the police, i get that i understand that i have spoken to the head of the fraternal order of police. but i see no public effort on her part to try to repair the relationship with the police, which is so important because
prosecutors and police work hand in hand -- they work together on every other criminal case in the city. and she has got to fix that morale. that's her job. >> and you are absolutely right. prosecutors and police officers are joined at the hip. law enforcement officers lock up the bad guy. prosecutors prosecute those guys. and they have to have a rapport with each other meaning the law enforcement officers and the prosecutor. that is a schism, it's a rift there. she has got to repair that. i got to tell you greta these law enforcement officers want to do their job, but they are scared. if they put their hands on somebody out in the street, they are concerned about whether they're going to face criminal charges. >> which is why it is her job. she should convene some sort of meeting with them. she should be talking. maybe she isn't doing it behind the scenes. we are just not seeing it publicly. this is a message unfortunately that is almost going across the country. i have talked to a sheriff last night in milwaukee and talk about the problems they have there. this is, unfortunately a really bad message being
sent to many police officers across this nation. >> greta perception is everything. when we saw ms. mosby come out and make a statement concerning law enforcement and the charging, that was one thing. then all of a sudden she is at a prince concert now all of a sudden she wants a gag order. she has been able to say what she wants to say about these officers malign them, whatever. now she doesn't want the officers to speak it's wholly unfair and questionable. >> it is questionable that she wants a gag order because she has had her stay. >> absolutely. >> stay with us. baltimore city lewded with drugs. sat down with fbi agent who says those drugs are fueling violence around the city. >> new pictures, just out today, released by the dea. revealing the identities of suspects accused of swiping prescription drugs from pharmacy counters. >> these are folks that obviously took advantage of
the crisis. they used it as a target of opportunity. in some cases they are gang members who intentionally targeted the pharmacies and thinking that we would forget and we are just not going to do that. >> the drugs taken during the baltimore riots and now those drugs triggers even more violence that is showing no sign of slowing down. >> we heard a little bit about tactics maybe setting fires to disguise the theft of a pharmacy. is it your view then that these criminals these gangs became quickly emboldened and acted once the riots began and once the situation became vulnerable? >> absolutely. again, they took advantage of the situation. it's not just about the pharmaceuticals. that's just one facet of it.
the gang problem in this city is one that is significant. when we have gangs fighting for territory, no matter where they are not just in baltimore but any place in the country, there is likely to be violence with that. >> baltimore already a hot bed for illegal drugs is getting worse. since last month's riots is ground zero for the dea. >> individuals went in and were extremely meticulous in terms of what they targeted within the pharmacy is. weigh saw that these individuals went, in went behind the counter and they were very very detailed in what they selected. they were going for things like this morphine extremely, extremely powerful. highly highly addictive. again, it's a sign and a major contributor to this whole new subculture of heroin addiction we seen see in this country. >> something like that would be very valuable out on the street. >> absolutely. i would venture to say one
of these would probably cost about $40 on the street. >> now, law enforcement is hoping to identify the people in this surveillance. if agents find these suspects, they hope it will at least turn down the heat on this drug turf war and slow the violence consuming this city. >> not everybody in baltimore abuses prescription drugs. so that customer base is limited. gangs and independent drug dealers are vying for the territory and that customer base. that limited customer base. in some cases we know for a fact that gangs are starting to text one another. one gang in particular has imposed taxes on another gang. >> and today the drug enforcement agency releasing these photos of nine people suspected of looting drug stores during the baltimore riots. back in april in the mid of the days of the riots baltimore took you inside a cvs pharmacy that was looted and burned. >> chris unbelievable the amount of damage that we
observed. this was once, 24 hours ago a striving business in the black community supporting and helping the black community. this is sad griff. this is just very sad. >> the destruction too we won't take our viewers too far in here, but you can get the sense of this is just an aisle. >> >> ted williams is here, still. and "on the record" griff jenkins joins us. griff, there is looting of these cvs drugstores they take morphine and tental fentanyl all the dangerous addictive narcotics. baltimore has had a drug problem. this is increasing a little bit but it's not new. >> that's right. what the d.e.a. told me today these drugs whether it's oxycodone or morphine or fentanyl, they are very expensive, so the next drug of choice is heroin, so, what was already a heroin problem in the city is now
compounded and it's on the streets along with the rising violence. and, by the way that wasn't in our interview but i did talk to social agent about the situation going on with the baltimore police and the states attorney and he said, listen when you are dealing with epidemics and rising violence with gang warfare self-preservation of officers only makes it more difficult. >> and now i have got the pictures of the suspect. so at least they are trying to pick up. i imagine ted, if they can pick up the ringleaders that sent a message to everybody else. >> absolutely. hopefully they will find some of these thugs and some of these looters that went in to the cvs and these pharmacies. but i have got to tell you when you look at the fact what actually happened during the riots going into these pharmacies. these crooks are not dumb. they saw that there was a schism between the police and law and the states attorney and that that -- they took over the vacuum and they went in and stole all of these goods. >> griff, you have seen any effort by the states attorney to try to repair
this relationship with the police? >> no. and we have tried very hard to get them to speak with us. we have got some questions whether it's off-the-record or "on the record" to talk about that i do know in talking with the dea that they are bringing on additional resources ten additional dea agents will be added a temporary basis starting asap as they try to identify the suspects that we're showing. >> i invite states attorney mosby to come here and speak to me. i will give her a fair interview. we have tried to interview her. if she has something to say she ought to step up and say it. i think right now she is either running for cover or doesn't care. >> if i could add one thing that cvs tape we showed just a block away, police were busting up an open air drug market and there had been a shooting a few days earlier. >> incredible. ted and griff, thank you both. >> baltimore police ready to release the moment the exact moment usama rahim was shot.
he was planning to kill and behead an american police officer. the lawyer for rahim's family ronald sullivan joins us. good evening, and i will just say it straight up. you are sully to me and i have known you for a million years. nice to see you sully. >> it's good to he see you too, greta. >> all right sully so what's the story? you represent the family of rahim. have they seen this video? >> yes. they did see the video. they saw it on thursday. >> and they have concluded what? because the brother rahim obviously very upset over the death of his brother posted on facebook that his brother had been shot in the back by police. have they now -- do they have a different view of what transpired? at least in terms of the shooting? >> oh, absolutely. so watching the video was just -- was absolutely traumatic for the family. you can just imagine seeing one of your loved ones, one of your family members. no matter what they are accused of having done, shot and killed. it was extraordinarily
traumatic. but in terms of the trajectory of the bullet and that sort of thing it was clear he was not shot from the back. i would say the brother bra ibrahim rahim -- press conference we had prior to seeing the video. he had retracted those comments because he was told that the autopsy showed that there were shots in the back. so yes. so that portion was cleared up. >> sully is there any indication the family suspected that the -- that rahim was part of some extremism, some violent streesm group or had that ideology at all? >> there was not. and that is causing another trauma. it was -- it was like they were walking down the street, turned the corner and all of a sudden the
world said this kid whom they knew was a terrorist. listening to stories of his mother, for example, you know, a year ago he was going and serving food during ramadan to people who couldn't afford any food. he couldn't eat during that time and many, i'm told, avoid places where there is food. and all of a sudden this -- the family gets this news that people have reported that he has been radicalized by isil. so they did not have any inkling, any indication, anything in his behavior or demeanor that would suggest what media reports convey. >> has there been any search of his computer or his phone or his bedroom? anything to show what he is reading or following to either corroborate or to counter act an allegation of he was part of an extremist ideology? >> there has been extensive
search of his home. we obviously don't have access to what the authorities found. so the fbi and the prosecutors presumably they know what's there but we don't at this point. >> sully, thank you very much for joining us. and continued good luck in boston. it's been a long time since i have seen you. >> thanks, greta. take care. >> and this is why people are scared. two lone wolf attacks in boston alone. first the bombings at the boston marathon. the second this alleged plot to behead an american police officer. at this hour police are on watch and they are on edge. where will the next lone wolf strike in the "boston globe" matt joins us. matt, thank you for joining us. matt, is there anything to tyra hermine to any extremist ideology tonight? do we have any more information? >> so far it's mostly things that rahim was paying attention to on social media. things that he was liking and viewing, which is what
caused alarms. there is still no indication that terrorists were reaching out to him specifically. >> all right. liking and viewing is, you know you could be casually look because you are curious. and you could like and view because you are trying to get into some bad stuff. he had been on the radar screen for how long with the fbi? >> dating back to 2012. so for quite some time they had been monitoring him and those -- that level of execute any heightened earlier this year. and so he was on surveillance. they had his phone tapped. so they gleaned a decent amount of information it seems, from those things. and they knew that the threat was heightened, which spurred the actions the other day are 00 confrontation with him the other day. >> you know, i can't imagine if nothing came up that they would spend 10 years following him. they may not have had enough to arrest him. maybe he wasn't as deep into it as they thought. to spend two years going after him, you know, there must have been something that tipped them off at the
beginning. why him? >> yeah. and that initial tip had to have led somewhere after that you greta you alluded to the boston marathon bombings earlier. there was a lot of things that seemed to fall through the cracks with the looking into tam lynn tsarnaev and his brother dzhokhar. in this case so far members of congress and people seem satisfied with the information sharing that this guy popped up on the radar and that there was a decent amount of follow-through in going after him. >> and then we're hearing that he wanted to behead a police officer. he wanted to behead pamela geller and a police officer. was there something that morning that make that allegation that he wanted to behead a police officer? >> they knew that something was imminent. i don't know that they knew exactly how imminent or when exactly something would transpire. it felt imminent enough to where they felt like they needed to confront him in a public place. >> matt, thank you. >> thanks, greta. >> okay. what in the world is up with
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okay could someone please tell the "new york times" this is not the pentagon papers. today the "new york times" publishing the paper with the headline marco rubio and business wife cited 17 times about traffic problem. major presidential candidate cited for speeding tickets. senator rubio has only had four not 17. all four of his traffic
infractions are over 18 years. what's the deal? rnc chairman reasons priebus joins us. is he is not getting the job with uber? >> first of all it's ridiculous even to think that getting a few speeding tickets is even an interesting story let alone a story for the "new york times." >> which would be different if it were like drunk driving or tried to pay off a cop. it's none of this. >> that's right. here is what the deal is. another article came out during the day and you can actually track when people go into places like miami-dade, you know, court records, every time someone pulls a record they have to record who is pulling it. turns out every single record was pulled by american bridge which is a hillary clinton research group. >> who t. wasn't by the "new york times"? >> it wasn't by the "new york times." pull by pull was american bridge. so what happens is you have got these research groups or hillary's team, they package up the deal and they say oh, here you go, here is some really bad stuff about marco rubio. oh he got a parking ticket and then they go right to
story. >> is there any indication the "new york times" tried to get the records themselves first or are they getting served up this -- >> -- the reports that we saw today showed that pull by pull, all fractions came from this democrat research firm. >> and not alan or steve who is on -- >> -- listen, i'm not going to accuse anyone of anything. all i'm telling you is it is quite a coincidence every single pull for every single report comes from hillary's research. >> here is the thing kind of step back a little bit. someone getting a speeding ticket that's normal life. what isn't normal is hillary clinton not even driving a car for 20 years. i mean, does she even have a drivers license? i don't know. if you want to talk about what is normal. this is going to turn around and bite hillary clinton because she doesn't even drive. >> we're told the "new york times" denies this, they say they got it on their own. what i thought was sort of peculiar was the headline. marco rubio and his wife cited 17 times for traffic
infractions. i thought marco rubio being the guy had 16 of them. it turns out he only has four of them. his wife has the driving issue. >> well, so why are they pinning that on him? why are they putting them together? >> this is what goes on. this is also when research groups from other entities pang up reports. >> do you guys do that though? >> everyone does it. >> so republicans do it too? >> everyone does it. the point is here we have got the "new york times" and later in the day the washington free beacon comes out and shows citation by citation. pull by pull, it's coming from american bridge. but, my point is besides all of, this because no one cares about a speeding ticket. in fact that's a normal thing in life. my point is, what they are trying to do in hillary land is try to kind of, you know, show the shiny object, move away from the real issue which is something who hasn't talked to reporters in months, hasn't driven a car in 20 years and she doesn't even have the ability to get a traffic
ticket because she doesn't drive. >> well, we will be watching to see what republican groups are digging around in public records. >> everybody digs around. but, the thing about this is you use good judgment. if there had been a story that marco rubio senator rubio had, you know, paid off a cop then it would be be different. this is over so many years. >> who doesn't have a parking ticket and driving infraction? i don't know. >> i have gotten speeding tickets. there is no way. impossible. >> he admits it. i didn't. anyway nice to he see you. >> all right. thanks. >> and the young man recruited by isis and killed while waging jihad in syria. his mother standing thanks for the ride around norfolk! and i just wanted to say geico is proud to have served the military for over 75 years! roger that. captain's waiting to give you a tour of the wisconsin now.
. isis is recruiting and they are doing in t. in europe and canada and right here in america. a man converted to islam and moved to syria and a killed. nice to see you chris. i watched your video. it's really difficult to watch your pain talking about your son and how you had no idea what he was off and doing. is there anything we can say to you? who you do mend that broken heart? >> i don't think you ever do. you just dry to find a new way to live and make the best of what you can. there is nothing to patch it. it's a hole that's gone forever. >> and you had absolutely no idea your son just all of a
sudden one day left and said he was going to study in egypt? >> no idea whatsoever. i could see changes in him but i didn't realize it was indicating anything. we had no knowledge of foreign fighters. we had no knowledge of anything that was going on with this type of phenomenon. and didn't even see it creeping up on us. and then he said he was going to egypt to study so we accepted that and found out later that wasn't the case. >> when you found out that wasn't the case, in this painful video you talk about how you had tisly pressed your nose to the computer screen looking at all the isis videos just trying to find your son. >> and i did. that time i had contact with him up until december 23rd 2012. and then he just disappeared off the radar. and i didn't know how to reach him. i didn't receive contact again from him from the end of february, 2013. so during that period of time, once the secret intelligence service came to our home and informed us of what was really happening of course, i was in a panic
and needed to find out what it meant what was out there. and most of all look for my boy. >> how did you learn that he killed? >> i had a phone call one evening. i was at homeworking and it was a report. [tone] >> it looks like we had just lost a signal christine grieving mother and now it's rather -- i don't know, i apologize to that we just did that to her with that signal. anyway. well it's no secret. isis are vicious savages doing the unthinkable. national security risk for you. so do americans think president obama has a strategy to stop and defeat them? not accord to the numbers. a few fox news poll showing 71% of registered voters. they think the president does not have a clear strategy to defeat isis. charles krauthammer the author of the very best selling book "things that matter." joins us. charles, i mean the numbers are staggering, 71%.
>> and they are all right. the president has no strategy. and it's even becoming clear that they are almost willing to admit that they have none and what they're doing now is a kind of holding operation to try to make sure it doesn't completely collapse before obama leaves office. so we're in for 17 months of a fake strategy in which the administration is just hoping that nothing catastrophic happens. and the thing they have to worry about i hope they are worrying about is that if you were isis and you are now on the doorstep of baghdad, the idea would be to launch a offensive for the younger people out there, that's viangchan attacked the u.s. into saigon attacking the u.s. embassy in the middle of the vietnam war. they lost the battle. they were disseminated, but the images and the psychological set back that america felt as a result meant the war was over. they would do that in baghdad. >> well, it's interesting
because two thirds of americans favor doing whatever it takes to defeat isis, two thirds. that's without seeing the images of what's going on in there. we don't have many media that are going in there. a lot of news organizations. the beheading journalists. and it's not like -- we don't -- we are not seeing what's going on there. which, in some ways, sanitizes it. i bet that two thirds number would be bigger if we saw that. >> i would be very cautious about the numbers of doing anything. that's always a feeling before the first casualty, that's always the feeling before any war begins. unless you have a strategy that would bring some success quickly and would also have others hold the territory, we might be initially congress corresponding. unless others -- because we are not going to stay to hold a territory. let's say you send a force into ramadi or into fallujah, who is going to it hold that city afterwards? our problem is that we burned the bridges when
obama pulled everybody out. we betrayed the anbar sunnies, the ones whom we need to fight isis. the ones who defected to the other side, when we abandoned them. and unless we win back some of their allegiance, so they would hol we would win i think there is no strategy right now other than to try to support our allies on the ground and to intensify air strikes. i would be very weary about a ground offensive for a population here today that wants to do it. but i'm not sure would be willing to suffer the casualties and the pain. >> i would hope that the president, when he travels to germany next week that he at least gets all the allies talking about this because something must be done and we can't do this one alone. it will back fire on us. >> i would just say it won't be the germans, it will be the kurds and the sunni arabs and they're the ones we have to lean on. >> charles, thank you. >> my pleasure. >> new information on the washington d.c. mansion
the race is on for triple crown american pharaoh is one win away from making history. will he be the first triple crown winner in four decades? our next guest was the horse that won the triple crown seattle slew. tell me how much of a thrill was it to win with seattle slew the triple crown? >> >> well, seattle slew i set the bar so high before we even started i said after he set -- ran the fastest mile that a 2-year-old ever ran in the champagne. i said if he doesn't win the triple crown i haven't done my job. >> all right. american pharaoh competes tomorrow. and some of the horses he competes against tomorrow skipped the preakness so they have had a little extra rest. does that make a really big
difference? >> well, it doesn't make that much difference but the thing is, if you -- if you -- if you are soundly beaten in the derby you should give your horse a rest if you want to try to win the classic. have him come a little fresher for the belmont. so, it's not a bad move to do, and it also makes the belmont a little bit more difficult to win. >> materiality and froth two horses compete tomorrow in the belmont against american pharaoh. this is where they have trained. they have home court advantage so to speak. does that make a difference? >> i think it does. with with belmont park, it's the only -- it's the biggest track in the country. the wide sweeping turns. and it becomes a jockey's race because you have a tendency to put your horse in gear a little bit early
and go for the wire and it doesn't come in time and somebody comes along and beats you. >> all right. is american pharaoh going to win tomorrow and dazzle the nation? >> if i say he is going to win tomorrow, it would be the kills of death. because i haven't picked the -- i have picked the horse that won the first two every time for years and haven't been right yet. >> well, you very much for joining us. it sure was fun to watch seattle slew win that triple crown. maybe we have another winner tomorrow. thank you billy.: and you remember her from all my children. >> how can she be so callus? >> don't cut her off mary. >> actress allegedly cursing out a flight attendant and delta kicked her off her flight. jennifer joins us. nice to see you. what in the world happened on that delta flight? >> well dear oh dear.
so nice to see you and meet you. i was on a flight to indianapolis to meet my boyfriend's daughter and son-in-law and grandchildren. and i was really excited about it and i got on the plane and i went into the back of the plane and i said,excuse me, is there a bathroom back here? it was a little tiny plane. and she said yes, there is one here and there is one up front. i think she was having a bad day and i said okay. i went into the bathroom. i couldn't find the button to push for, you know, i usually use the button so i opened the door as i was leaving and i said i can't find the button. she said it's a handle right there. so i said okay. so i pushed the handle. and then she said and here is where you watch your hands. and i said i'm not washing my hands. she said you are not washing your hands? i said no, i'm not washing my hands. she said you are not washing your hands? and i said no. i'm not. she said you are going to wash your hands. i said listen, what are you designated hand person on this flight? i said i have you know
purell in my bag and i choose not to use the soap i mean i didn't feel i had to explain myself anyway. so i sat down and then we were delayed and delayed and delayed. and we were in a long line, you know, trying to get out. i took my computer out because i had had an audition and i looked at the script and suddenly i saw these two feet appear by me. and this voice said "you have to put that under the seat in front of you. and i said yes i know i do. so i closed up -- she watched me close up my computer. put it in my bag put it under my seat. and then she was walking away, i had told the gentleman next to me what had happened about washing my hands in the bathroom and so i said do you see what i mean? she said what did you say? and she bumped in my arm she said don't you touch me, don't you ever touch me. don't you lay a finger on you. she said don't you touch me. she said don't you ever.
so the next thing i know we had been in line to take off. and the captain said due to unavoidable circumstance we are going back to the gate and two policemen came on and took me off the flight. >> and then there was a slight conversation with you. i guess the police. >> no, what happened -- >> -- no, what happened was i mouthed okay. i mouthed a swear word at her. i told her to go take a herself. and another stewardest came down and she said all right did you swear in front of that baby behind you? and i said i didn't swear outloud. i mouthed it. and she said and did you grab her? and i said no, i did not grab her. and so the police came on really because they told that i was, you know, maybe attacking the stewardess or something, which of course i wasn't. they released me very quickly but by then, of course, my trip was gone and over and i had no recourse but to go back to the city.
>> and so now everything has been investigated. everybody has had a pretty bad day about it and i'm certainly glad to have you join us. i know people get pretty raw on those planes. >> well, my lawyer is now talking to the ceo of delta at this very moment. they are in negotiations to try to bring this into a happy conclusion. because, you know, since the terrorism thing i think they have an excuse to treat us badly sometimes. and i do believe that people have bad days. you all have. >> and we're told that delta will investigate it. i have got to go. thank you very much for joining us and viewers will be right back. hey, what are you doing? you said you were going to find out abounew rewards program. i did. in fact, i'm earning plenti points right now. but you're not doing anything right now. lily? he's right. sign up, and you could earn plenti points just for being a wireless customer. in the meantime, i just kick back and watch the points roll in. where did you get those noodles? at&t cafeteria. you mean the break room... at&t - the only wireless carrier to be a part of plenti now when you add a new phone line
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