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watching us. tonight, miss megyn up next. i'm bill o'reilly. always remember the spin stops right here. we're looking out for you. breaking tonight, dramatic new fallout in the shocking fall from grace for nbc news anchor brian williams. as the critics unload on how the network is handling his public mea culpa. good even. welcome to "the kelly file." i'm megyn kelly. on friday williams broke his silence for first time since being suspended by nbc news without pay in february. after being caught misleading viewers with inaccurate statements that exaggerated his experiences in the field, including a story about a helicopter he was traveling on during the iraq war. tonight, the kelly file has exclusive reaction from one of the soldiers who first helped break this story, who was on the
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helicopter that got shot down who says he does not feel williams went far enough in his friday apology, if you will. saying in part brian williams clearly apologized for getting himself in this situation, but he never looked at the camera and said he was sorry for the disrespect he's shown to the soldiers of the armed forces. howard kurtz is with us on what brian did say on the interview which we'll play for you in part and what it says that nbc news decided to send him to work for msnbc. and on the soldiers that came forward and what he's hearing from the military on this. fist first trace gallagher catches us up. trace. >> nbc news megyn, won't publicly reveal its investigation into brian williams but the network made it crystal clear there were a pattern of lies saying brian williams made a number of inaccurate statements about his experiences in the field. among them, it is believed williams lied about seeing floating bodies in the french
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quarter during hurricane katrina, and about being confronted by hosstile groups during the riots in egypt. and williams embellishing a mission in iraq claiming he was in a helicopter fired upon when in fact he was nowhere near the area. listen to matt lauer press him on that point. >> did you know it was not true? >> i told the story correctly for years before i told it incorrectly. i was not trying to mislead people. that to me is a huge difference here. >> but one of the soldiers who was actually part of the helicopter convoy that was attacked took exception to williams' answer telling "the kelly file," he never looked at the camera and said he was sorry for the disrespect he has shown to the soldiers of the armed forces. he did say i told the story correctly for years before i told it incorrectly, a response i would refute since i along
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with the crew of our helicopter tried to correct inconsistencies with his story back in 2003 when we viewed his original report. during the interview, matt lauer confronted brian williams eight different times in eight different ways about telling lies. and his answers, williams never once used the word lie. and listen to this exchange. >> did you give thought at the time to going on the air and saying i lied? >> i know why people would see it that way. it is not what happened. what happened is the fault of a whole host of other sins. what happened is clearly part of my ego getting the better of me. to put myself in a better light, to appear better than i was. >> and now the fallout, public relations firms and crisis
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management teams have also weighed in on the interview calling it less than convincing saying a true apology has no ifs, ands or buts. brian williams will begin the task of regaining viewer trust in august when he begins anchoring breaking news coverage on msnbc. >> trace, thank you. members of the military were the first to catch williams in his misrepresentations. over the years they stayed on the story until it finally broke with the rise of social media. has williams done enough to earn him the forgiveness of the military community? pete hexsath is the ceo for concerned veterans of america. you heard trace put it up on the board, one of the soldiers who was on the helicopter that actually was shot down does not feel this was good enough it doesn't -- he doesn't feel it was good enough. he didn't look into the camera and apologize to them for what he did. what do you think? >> and he never has. in fact and he pointed out this soldier that called him out that as far back as 2003 brian
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williams misrepresented the story. in 2007 brian williams said he was look down the tube of an rpg being shot at him when his helicopter was no more closer than 30 minutes away. i read the whole statement. he's not looking for admiration or headlines. he doesn't want to be the center of the story. he just wants the truth. he doesn't want some news reporter in new york city building street credit for himself on the back of a war this guy fought for and believed in. it is about legacy megyn. it is about the ground troop. it is about, hey, what he did in that desert mattered. and for brian williams to trade it, new york city cocktail parties for the last decade on the fact he was there and in the middle of it really churns these guys and that's why they stuck with it for 12 years and finally because of social media, they were able to get the truth out and i think it makes them proud inside and they're not looking for publicity. >> why wouldn't he do that? why wouldn't he directly apologize to the military veterans when he had the opportunity in the interview with matt lauer. it is a huge platform.
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they were listening. this guy said brian, to us brian, my offer to have a beer with you still stands. he's waiting for him to say i'm sorry for trying to equate anything i did with what you guys actually did. >> absolutely. and the veteran talked about forgiveness. he's a believer in second chances. but in order to do that -- >> most americans are. most americans are. >> absolutely. we want to hear brian williams say i was wrong. i misrepresented the truth. i got ahead of myself. i'm sorry. you know why? >> he said i was wrong. he said over and over i said -- i said this it was wrong. i told stories that were wrong. i got it wrong. i own this. and i own up to this. but he would not go so far as to say why. >> because there is a lot of self-deception going on. from the beginning of the attack in sort of conflating the entire story. if you're saying you were looking down the tube of an rpg, in 2007 and you were 30 minutes away you are knowingly misrepresenting, you are lying about the truth to make your
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story and your credentials more substantial. that's what makes the blood boil of soldiers especially because they know that this guy is trading on it in order to reach the top of his profession and these guys toiled in the sands doing their job in obscurity. this is about the truth, megyn, you're right, about the ground truth and legacy of the wars these men fought for and brian williams soiled that. >> thank you. >> from last week to tonight, the backlash of the news of brian williams being moved to msnbc has been as fierce as the reaction to his mea culpa. here is brian in his own words. >> it has been torture. looking back it had to have been ego that made me think i had to be sharper, funnier, quicker, than anybody else. put myself closer to the action having been at the action in the beginning. i told the story correctly for
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years before i told it incorrectly. i was not trying to mislead people. it came from a bad place. it came from a sloppy choice of words. i told stories that were not true over the years, looking back. it is very clear this came from clearly a bad place, a bad urge inside me. this was clearly ego driven the desire to better my role in a story i was already in. i'm responsible for this. i am sorry for what happened here. >> howard kurtz is the host of media buzz. you can't help but feel for him in being reduced to this. but, you know of course he did it to himself. i think he would be the first to admit that. yet, howie, what does it say
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that msnbc's decision it is like he's not honest enough to work here but he's honest enough to work at msnbc. >> this is exactly what i've been saying for days. yes, i feel some sympathy for the way in which brian williams essentially blew up his own career. if he's deemed not credible enough as a result of this internal review to go back to the nightly news anchor chair, after 20 plus years at the network, how can he be credible enough to handle breaking news at msnbc? it is a compromise solution that doesn't make any sense unless you regard msnbc as a farm team with different standards. >> i mean how are folks supposed to -- it hits msnbc too. like so if you tell lies it is okay to come here? if i worked at msnbc, i might object with all due respect to brian on the message that sends. >> and in fact many people in the news division and the rank and file at nbc and msnbc were opposed to brian williams going back to the big chair. and i think that played a big part in this decision.
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the larger story is as hard as it is for me you and everybody else to understand how he didn't intend to mislead anybody when he talks about being hit in a chopper by ak-47 fire when he was in some other chopper far away the fact is that if this had been the only offense, i think he would have gotten the anchor job back. the fact is nbc's review found he had made several inaccurate statements on other situations and in fact brian, i keep saying in fact brian williams told me about his katrina reporting when i was with him in new orleans that he had seen bodies floating by in the french quarter. >> they're not releaseing any of that. nbc news won't release the report. >> and brian williams turned down two chances from matt lauer to address these other problems. and this to me, is the nub of it. when cbs had the problem with dan rather and george w. bush and national guard, they had an outside investigative report. what would nbc journalists did if the federal government did its own investigation and said some bad things happened but
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we're not going to put it out, we're going to move on. this is a big problem. >> how much though i understand he didn't want to say i lied because in his head it really may not have been a lie. he seemed to be trying to say -- seemed to be saying my ego grew and it grew and i felt the need to dazzle. and so these were exaggerations that were -- that had a foot hold in the truth that i just embellished over the year to where i believed them myself. and his point -- i know it sounded bad when he said i told it correctly before i told it incorrectly, but he's right. he did tell it a little bit correctly in the very beginning and then started to morph over the year and morph even bigger and bigger. you ask yourself maybe he did have some sort of a mental break where he started to believe his own stories. >> i think that that's at the heart of it. look everybody makes mistakes and i certainly don't -- wouldn't begrudge him having a second chance and the business to which he's devoted his life. if it had just been this iraq story, if he had convinced himself, he didn't feel he was
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misleading and didn't feel he was lying, this had happened to him, maybe it would be easier to forgive him, but the fact there is a pattern here, according to nbc, i was surprised how many people who watched that "today" show interview felt he hadn't said the words he needed to say to really ask the country's forgiveness and the forgiveness of soldiers as pete pointed out. >> painful to watch. i felt for matt lauer. i felt for him. i felt for the military guys. it is just uncomfortable all around. howie good to see you. >> my pleasure. we're also tracking the fallout from an ugly photo involving senator ted cruz and a gun. we'll bring you the story behind this picture. look at this of the presidential candidate. and ann coulter is here next on what happened since it was published. baltimore police commissioner saying that new reforms mean oh you can expect plenty more arrests of baltimore police officers. mark furman is here on what exactly that's going to do to the already demoralized baltimore pd and the crime rates
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that we are seeing now in that city. plus both sides weigh in on a heated debate about race. after america's first black president just used the most controversial word out there. >> racism we're not cured of clearly. and it is not just a matter of it not being polite to say [ bleep ] in public that's not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. ing us your aching and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested. aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. be a morning person again with aleve pm.
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developing tonight, the associated press has taken down a series of pictures showing republican presidential candidate ted cruz with a handgun. seemingly pointed directly at his head. the ap says it did nend to put the senator in a bad light, but critics are asking what the fallout would have been if this were the president standing there instead of senator cruz. ann coulter is a conservative commentator and author of "adios america." ann, good to see you. >> i like the way you read it. >> always fun to read the titles of your book. if that had been hillary clinton, if that had been president obama, the left would have been losing their mind over this.
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>> oh yes. >> the ap -- >> that is so outrageous. don't insult our intelligence by saying we didn't even notice. >> it was a mistake. >> who would have seen something like that? >> it had to get by the photographer and the photographer had to take the picture. >> look at it. >> the editor had to okay the picture. >> right. and, again, look at it. i have a whole chapter in my book mugged about racial demagoguery on the claims that obama was a particular risk of assassination, you know because he's black and we're a country teeming with racism. everything reminds liberals that this is a racist country, could be a wormarm summer's breeze. one of the big claims was that they kept saying well he got secret service protection before any other president. and, no he didn't. he got it three months after he declared for president. ronald reagan got it the day he declared for president. for the first two years after obama announced and the first year of his presidency it was
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repeated endlessly he was getting more threats, because we're a massively racist country and finally at the end of 2009 the head of the secret service testified under oath no we're getting no more threats against this president than the last two. it was just -- it is liberals fantasies about racist america. mostly and being the flames are fanned by the america's leading hate group, the southern poverty law center and they are even as there are only two groups big enough even to be tracked on the internet i think it is the klan and storm front and they have like seven members. and you can look on the internet to see how many hits they're getting. it has been going down since the past two years. >> they try to stand up they say against racism but the same group that once deemed ben carson i think some sort of threat to the united states. let me ask, because when sarah palin went up with her ad that had cross hairs on it, just
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cross hairs, not an actual gun, saying these are the democratic districts targeted she wound up getting blamed for the shooting of gabby giffords for the shooting of her. >> yeah. >> it is okay -- like god forbid anything were to happen to senator cruz as a result of this threatening photo. would there be similar outrage? shouldn't everyone be more careful if they're go to apply that kind of a standard to messaging? >> yes, but they aren't. during bush's presidency there was both a book fantasizing about his assassination, and a documentary portraying his assassination, which got rave reviews in the washington post nation magazine called it the best date movie of 2006. and you can go to his website, i don't know if it is still up but all the assassinations decapitations, guns to bush's head and liberal protests. obama comes along, a tea party protest and a picture of obama that looks like a monkey, we're in the grips of racism once
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again. can we compare the two presidents? >> typically what we have seen with president obama, the halo effect. he's -- they put this halo on him. look. look. look at this. and look what happened to senator cruz. look. it is like -- ♪ >> also senator cruz were he a democrat and not a -- the second amendment, the first hispanic president, you know would he be getting different -- it is subtle to some people but not to others. >> look at that picture. not subtle. also i mention that ronald reagan took an assassin's bullet one month after being elected. little harmless jerry ford had two crazed liberals take a shot at him. loaded gun, fired right at him. so maybe we can back off on the hysteria about america being a racist country every time anything -- the sun rises. >> the wind blows. ann, good to see you. she's interesting, isn't she? she is. if the situation with the baltimore police was not bad enough already, the police
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♪ it's a calling. a love affair. a quest. the next horizon. everyone loves the chase. new developments tonight in the case of the baltimore police officers. six of them charged in the death of the -- freddie gray. tonight all six officers pleaded not guilty to the charges and their trial has now been scheduled for october. but a recent op-ed piece by the baltimore police commissioner anthony batts makes it sound
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like this will not be the last arrest of cops. this is the police commissioner. he wrote, quote, our reform efforts will very likely see more police officers arrested. we will have more officers who are forced out because of their outdated outmoated views of policing do not match the standards the community expects and demands. mark furman is a former lapd detective and fox news contributor. we're hearing pushback from officers who don't want to come on camera because they're worried they'll get fired saying, way to have our backs, commissioner we haven't done anything wrong and you're threaten to arrest us. >> when you look at the lack of leadership in baltimore, i think they should look at this as your major problem. the mayor, the commissioner to the local politicians, community leaders. it is leadership. nobody is looking at the conduct of the people in the communities where the police are having to respond and ultimately be shown
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to be involved in all these, you know egregious situations that the commissioner is citing. so how do you create morale and confidence in a leader that is throwing you under the bus every time it gets in front of the camera. >> he would say, and does say, in this op-ed, if you are an honest cop, i stand behind you. you make an honest mistake, we stand behind you and we expedited the procedure to take a look at cops' behaviors when they get challenged. however, if you're a dirty cop or bad cop or a cop who is a racist you'll get called out and kicked out. that's the way it should be. >> that's the way it always is megyn. let's lay the definitions down in baltimore so all the cops know what they're playing with. what is the definition of a bad cop? what is his definition of too much use of force? what is his definition of
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racism? they should know what the rules are before they go out in the street and expose themselves and their families to a quite possibly a court proceeding and prison time. >> they say that they have been implementing more training in baltimore. but it is extraordinary to see the head of the police force go out there, and essentially promise his force, some of them are going to get arrested. i mean it is one thing when they have misbehaved and you can say this case is likely going to lead to an arrest. even that would be problematic legally. to send out a warning, in a situation, mark where the cops are already coming under fire for allegedly not going after it you know the crime situation as aggressively as they could have because they feel concerned they're going to get arrested. >> absolutely. all the special units and
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activity that is needed to take the fight to suspects instead of waiting for the suspects to commit a crime takes a lot of morale. it takes a lot of backing by your leaders. it takes a feeling and a unit that somebody has got your back. they don't have that. the crime is going to go up. the murders are going to go up. it is going to be a long hot summer. and commissioner batts is trying to save his own job and save face over the arrests of officers and the threat of officers. he's only going to make the situation worse. officers are going to do less and see less if they think that they're going to actually be arrested by this man because he doesn't have their back. it is crystal clear. >> and you know what is crazy is we have been told that they're up der threat now if they speak out publicly with their own opinions or how they feel about all this and yet the commissioner is very vocal about what he thinks of the men and women who work for him and what he thinks should happen to them and yet if they dare say
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anything have an opinion of their own, their jobs are on the line mark. >> well megyn, you know some departments have certain rules that you cannot go on the -- any media outlet or talk to you know a journalist for a written publication about a certain situation. usually an ongoing case. but this isn't. this is about an attitude of punishment for officers that have not yet occurred. it is also about how they're being treated in their units to go out in the street and supposedly they demand they actually do aggressive police work but they don't allow them to and when they do they want to arrest them. he is going out on tv and in written publications and doing exactly what he's telling them they can't do. >> that's the thing. if they come out and say anything about commissioner
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batts, you know they'll be in trouble. we're going to continue to follow it and we're going to continue to reach out to those who he has taken direct aim at and see if they can find the courage to offer their response. mark good to see you. >> thank you. also tonight, after the tragedy in charleston south carolina the head of the naacp is calling for the vigorous prosecution of hate groups. judge andrew napolitano next on where that could go. both sides weigh in on a heated race debate after america's first black president just used the most controversial word out there. >> racism. we are not cured of it. clearly. and it's not just a matter of it not being polite to say [ bleep ] in public that's not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. before i had the shooting, burning, pins-and-needles of diabetic nerve pain, these feet... ...served my country... ...carried the weight of a family... ...and walked a daughter down the aisle. but i couldn't bear my diabetic nerve
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we are not going to allow the symbol to divide us any longer. the fact that people are choosing to use it as a sign of hate is something we cannot stand. the fact that it causes pain to so many is enough to move it from the capital grounds. it is after all, a capital that belongs to all of us. >> that was south carolina republican governor nikki haley calling for the removal of the confederate flag from the grounds of the state house. five days ago, a suspected mass murderer killed nine african-american church members in charleston in church. pictures have emerged showing the accused killer posing with the confederate flag. as you just heard, governor haley dec not allow the symbol to divide us any longer. state lawmakers must approve the flag's removal. we have also seen a range of political reactions today after president obama, in discussing race and the situation in charleston dropped the n word in a conversation with a radio host.
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here is the president with digital radio host mark maron. >> racism. we are not cleared of it. clearly. it is not just a matter of it not being polite to say [ bleep ] in public that's not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. >> mark hannah is a former aid to the obama campaign and partner at truman national security project. the president was making a broader statement about race saying look i tell young people don't say nothing's change when it comes to race in america unless you live through the 50s or 60s or 70s as a black man. race relations have improved significantly during my lifetime and yours. that was the context. he went on to say what we heard him say there. and now he's being condemned by many including some african-americans for saying -- for actually uttering the n word. kevin, i'll start with you.
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was it inappropriate? >> i think it was inappropriate, but i think it is a word that is used in black culture quite a bit. i think quite frankly it was barack obama essentially mooning america saying i can say words that you no longer can say. and everybody knows that you have to say the n word as ridiculous as it is because we know what the word is. but i'll tell you this sterling donald sterling is probably wondering why barack obama still has a job, i bet paula deen may be wondering. >> come on. it is not the same thing, kevin. it is not exactly the same thing. first of all, they're white, okay. and second of all, they weren't saying it respectfully. >> paula deen said it years ago and she loses a career. sterling didn't really say it just talked about black culture. what i'm getting at is barack obama says something, so overtly and so easily it would have gotten most people -- i'll put it to you this way, nobody at
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fox is going to say that. you're going to say the n word. >> most people won't say that word which is why it was so shocking right, mark and it is surprising to see even prominent african-americans come out and say, whoa just don't. >> i, first of all what kevin was saying making what the president said and explaining a history of racism referring to racist language not necessarily using racist language, like paula deen did is outrageous. i think i wanted to just kind of watch himself keep digging in that hole. but, megyn, you're right -- i'll answer your question megyn, you're right. we don't expect to hear certain words coming from the lips of the president of the united states. this is absolutely one of them. as a public figure like you are and like he is you have to be very careful in the words you choose. this is why last week you didn't utter the name of the shooter in charleston. i think that was really admirable. the president, i think, here made a deliberate calculation because he knew this would spur
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a national discussion about racism. i think that was his goal in doing that. >> do you agree with that kevin? it was intentional. the white house seemed to suggest, not really it wasn't intentional. >> i think there was some contemplation -- he was very contemplated and a bit of deliberation on it. i think that we should engage in this race discussion --, because everything he said about it the systematic implementation of race et cetera is basically liberalism. if you look at the things he wants to get into a discussion about, jim crow laws jim crow laws democrats, we're having insane discussions about confederate flags. we have white women on the left who want to be -- who want to be black. and this day and time, and barack obama still wants to promote the idea that we're a racist country. >> quickly. >> i think the president's point is weed me a lot of progress with the focus on a word like that -- he said there is an
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underlying culture and a sort of history and legacy of racial hatred we need to confront as a country and shouldn't focus on the words. i think we're obscuring that point when we have this conversation and i think you're absolutely kevin, sort of taking -- i'm not sure whether you listened to the interview itself but it was a stem winder. he went on for a number of different topics. it is possible this remark was extemporaneous but he used the word in his book before. he has license to use it as a man of color. >> i never heard him use that word publicly. he used it in his book but never heard him utter it. good to see you both. >> good to see you, megyn. the charleston tragedy has a crackdown on hate groups. here is the naacp president. >> we have to allocate resources to address these hate groups and hate crimes. we also need vigorous prosecution and vigorous investigation of these hate groups and the resources to do so. >> judge andrew napolitano is our fox news senior judicial analyst. he wants to see these hate
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groups prosecuted. is it is that possible? does the law support that? >> it is not possible and the law does not support it. freedom of thought and freedom of expression and freedom of association, even if generated and defined by hatred is protected. as long as that does not produce immediate lawless violence. so people want to join groups because of the dark protection of some common irrational belief they're entitled to do it. and that irrational belief can be something absurd and something based on hatred. >> this killer in charleston who is frequenting this white supremacist website, that talked about all the injustices allegedly perpetrated on white people by black people that website is totally fine legally, totally fine. >> that website is protected. the first amendment was written to protect the speech we fear and hate and loathe because the speech we like doesn't need protection. >> the new black panther party saying we got to kill some cracker babies that's fine
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protected. >> that's protected. here is the limit, if the speech produces immediate lawless violence before other speech can challenge it and rebut it then the speech can be prosecuted. that's a very very narrow category. >> very narrow. >> correct. so as much as i share the anguish of the african-american leader that was just on the naacp fellow and i share the anguish of how can these groups do that it is in america under the great first amendment protected, thought, speech association, and behavior. >> you're allowed legally to be a racist to be a flaming hateful racist like we have seen. >> the government cannot but individuals can. hatred is protected under the constitution. >> first amendment comes with a lot of burdens. >> yes, it does. >> but it offers so many freedoms that are so dear -- >> including the ones you and i are exercising right now, while
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we're at work. >> that's right. good to see you. >> pleasure megyn. the president's interview with the radio host made news on just race relations. >> the fact that you know if you watch fox news you inhabit a completely different world with different facts than if you read new york times. >> up next mark tissen and robert zimmerman on why president obama is so very focused on fox news. you owned your car for four years. you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends. three jobs. you're like "nothing can replace brad!" then liberty mutual calls. and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement, we'll pay for a car that's a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. try phillips' fiber good gummies plus energy support.
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these guys everything is personal. >> everything. >> they are the biggest bunch of cry babies i've dealt with in my 30 years in washington. >> that was fox news sunday host chris wallace back in 2009 talking about the obama administration's relationship with the press. tonight, president obama's comments on fox news are again raising questions about the president's view of the media. during the recent one hour sit-down he had with a radio host, the so-called splintered american media came up and here's where that went. >> the problem is is that there is this big gap between who we are as a people and how our politics expresses itself. and part of that has to do with gerrymandering and super pacs and lobbyists and a media that
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is so splintered now that we're not in a common conversation. and the fact that you know if you watch fox news you inhabit a completely different world with different facts than if you read new york times. >> right. >> joining me now, mark tissen a fox news contributor and former speechwriter to george w. bush. what is it mark the president took a shot at fox in may, and now once again he takes a shot at fox here. he's taken many shots over his term but he can't seem to get over the fact that we are here. >> i know. it is very frustrating. >> irritating. >> to be barack obama and have fox news on. the last part of what he said is actually completely true. if you watch fox news you inhabit a completely different world with different facts than if you read the new york times. if you read the new york times, you live in a world where barack
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obama is doing great, the battle against isis is going well and the economy is recovering. you wouldn't know things like, for example, about lois lerner's e-mails or obamacare, mocked the stupidity of the american people but what you would know is that marco rubio got four traffic tickets. this is the kind of news that president obama wants us to be focused. doesn't want us to be focused on lowis lerner and -- >> if you consider the president's comments an attack on fox news you got to get out more. my friends who read the new york times were offended by the comments as well. >> really? >> this president, of course they are regarded as criticism of the times as well. what is worth noting is the question about whether we read information to be informed or read news just to be reinforced. for example, with the new york times attacking hillary clinton on the e-mail and the foundation people at this network wanted to nominate the times for a pulitzer.
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when the wall street journal vindicated the foundation and hillary clinton and pointed out there was no favoritism i didn't hear a lot of people from the right bringing it up. >> vindicated. that's a stretch as her champion and a loyal one, but -- >> read the article. they made that clear there was no favoritism. >> vindication is a bridge too far. here is my question for you, marc. is it a strategy by the president? or is it just we're a constant irritant to him? you want to look at him and say, we're here we're clear, get used to it. something like he doesn't want to accept that there is a channel that will criticize him. i realize many people feel it is too much too much criticism. but really has fox news been proven wrong on every single subject? that's what the left wants you to believe that fox news just invents, you know stories and that's what we exist to do. >> yeah well i was in the bush administration and fox news wasn't always friendly to us when we did things wrong. so i'm sure if there is a
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republican president a few years from now, they're going to bemoan the coverage on fox news as well. the problem is that barack obama -- when you're failing, you need a scapegoat. and the american people say that barack obama is44% of americans approve of his handling of the economy. 38% approve of his handling of immigration. 35% approve of his foreign policy. either the american people are right and barack obama is failing at all of his major tasks or they're misinformed. barack obama chooses to believe they're misinformed. the reason why is because they're watching too much fox news. >> president george bush got hit a lot about msnbc. >> he fought back. >> he did not. >> he went after him. >> you're telling me bush complained about the media as much as president obama? >> he complained by msnbc. >> you're not saying that? you're not saying -- >> i absolutely am.
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you can look it up. he criticized both msnbc. >> you're going on record as much? >> i said he criticized them. every president criticized the media. some like richard nixon. >> they're cutting us off it's so rude. i could go on. >> good to be with you. we'll be right back. you probably know xerox as the company that's all about printing. but did you know we also support hospitals using electronic health records for more than 30 million patients? or that our software helps over 20 million smartphone users remotely configure e-mail every month? or how about processing nearly $5 billion in electronic toll payments a year? in fact, today's xerox is working in surprising ways to help companies simplify the way work gets done and life gets lived. with xerox, you're ready for real business.
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a major development in the man hunt for the two escaped killers in new york. after exhausting 2,000 leagues in the search for matt and sweat -- what's his first name? david sweat. thank you. the latest find is said to be refocusing the entire operation. trace gallagher is live. >> the cabin was burglarized and dna from inside matches both of the killers richard matt and david sweat. police won't say where they found the dna.
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the owner of the cabin called police on saturday when he saw someone running away. he found a jug of water and an open jar of peanut butter. the hunting cabin is deep in the woods, about ten miles from the prison. the closest road 13 miles of dirt trees and heavy brush. that would be very easy to hide along. there are also dozens of other hunting cabins in that area that are mostly unoccupied. remember hunting season is mainly in the fall. the dna discovery makes it likely the two men are still traveling together 17 days after they escaped. police are trying to block every road in and out. investigators say if they can steal a little food and water here and there they could remain holed up in the woods for some time. they have called off their search on the pennsylvania border. the search has spread as wide as 300 miles. it's back to within 20 miles of
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the prison. it appears the escapees not moving all that fast. continue to follow that. thank you. we'll be right back. don't gone away. away. o away.
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think so. brit hume is here tomorrow. we'll have reaction from him. we have a bunch of folks you'll want to hear from. later this week we have our special on the woman in oklahoma who survived an attempted beheading. stay with us we'll see you tomorrow night at 9:00. welcome to "hannity" following the tragic events that transpired last week in charleston, south carolina, both political and community leaders across america are using this racially motivated act of cowardice carried out by deranged opportunity askiller. i'm david webb in for sean. over the weekend during a pod cast with a comedian mark marron president obama sparked controversy during a discussion about race. when he used the n word to convey his po