thanks for watching the kelly file "lone wolf." i'm jenna lee. welcome to "hannity." the notorious drug kingpin, joaquin "el chapo" guzman is on the run after brazenly escaping from a mexican prison. fox news senior correspondent geraldo rivera he traveled all the way to mexico to cover this daring escape and to search for him. geraldo? >> you know sean i think this was the most extraordinary escape from a maximum security prison this century at least. it was an act of engineering marvel. it was something that took well over a year of construction to
move 2,000 tons of dirt. it was a project that included the most extraordinary tunnel, escape tunnel i have certainly ever seen. it is -- it far surpasses, sean the smugglers' tunnel that we see in gaza, for example, or along the u.s. southern border. behind me, is the escape house. that's the house with the tunnel exited. s that where el chapo made his escape. follow me here to see how extraordinary that tunnel is. it runs under this field, through that person's house, under a railroad track three stories down until you get to the prison that you see off in the distance. that is a distance of 1.5 kilometers. you see the three federal officers walking the road right now. 1.5 kilo sean, this is amazing. and to think that nobody in
authority was aware of this is something that smells fishy. it is an extraordinarily difficult thing to believe that in this dysfunctional and highly corrupt nation -- i love the mexican people. but this government and -- previous governments have been very corrupt. there is a malignancy to the corruption here. there is a feeling, even among high ranking authorities, i'd like you to hear this before i take you inside the tunnel. listen to what an opposition senator said about who he thinks is responsible, or at least knowledgeable, maybe even complicit in the great escape. listen. >> translator: a lot of people are saying that the government probably had some participation in the escape. what do you say? >> translator: i think the
participation and collusion of different officials from various levels of authority is undeniable. because independent of the technology the engineering work the resources involved in the construction of a tunnel of this nature it could not have been done without the support and complicity of the authorities. >> how high? >> translator: i think it ranges from authorities inside the prison and the surveillance of the perimeter outside to intelligence agencies of the mexican state. and evidently, the heads of these organizations. >> so, incredibly, the opposition at least, believes the government or high-ranking officials at the very minimum were involved in some way in el chapo's great escape. what is bitterly ironic is it is the little people, the prison guards and the other prison officials who are really being put through the wringer by interrogators. they have been held since
saturday night incommunicado behind the walls of the big house. that has led their families to stage a protest outside the prison. here are the families. >> translator: we are here because of our relatives of which we know nothing about since saturday. others since sunday. they have not let us see them. we haven't been able to go in nor the lawyers. today marks the 72 hours that according to law they have to keep them detained without us seeing them or letting their attorneys be with them. >> so an escape plot that required thousands of man hours, millions of dollars, took well over a year to construct. it had to take over a year to construct according to experts, has led to what? it has led to el chapo on the lam and then without any real clues. let me take you now inside if i may, sean, inside the tunnel. it has to be seen to be
believed. you go inside that place, that building first of all was built for the specific purpose of digging that tunnel. you go into the building on the first floor, there is a waiting room kind of that has two big shaft entrances. one for ventilation, the other for the people, the workers to go down. you go down to an intermediate level. in that intermediate level, there's a massive generator that was used to provide air conditioning and lighting for the tunnel as it was being dug and for el chapo as he made his way out. then from that intermediate level and the big generator and a power wench as well. you go down approximately three stories to the actual tunnel to the mile-long tunnel which has to really be seen to be believed. rails were laid in that tunnel. on those rails are three small
carts. two of them to carry the sand that was being excavated. the other cart was a motorcycle rigged to provide power. so as they dug, they filled those small rail cars with the dirt as they drove the motorcycle back. buckets were then used to take the dirt. wheelbarrow by wheelbarrow out of there. 2,000 tons. when you see the tunnel, how it was reinforced. how it could hold a railroad passing over it, then to think, sean, that that tunnel not only went into the appropriate location in the maximum security prison, but came up not merely in el chapo's room, but precisely in the one location, two foot by two foot, that was his toilet area and shower where they gave him just that a little bit of privacy as they do all prisoners, even the maximum security prisoners. that one area not covered by the surveillance video camera.
that's why now in this now notorious video you see el chapo go to the bathroom kind of disappear behind a half wall, and that's it. he's down the stairs three stories. he's on to that motorcycle. he is whisked a mile through that extraordinary tunnel. he comes up behind me at that house. there are various accounts on how he got away from here. but rest assured, he's no longer in the neighborhood. >> geraldo, it's so reminiscent of when i was in israel and the hamas tunnels into israel. they were using to capture israelis. you know, it's so much to talk about here. i wa of my many trips to the border, floor to ceiling drugs. it's estimated he's a multibillionaire perhaps. and it's estimated he might be responsible for 34,000 deaths. i want to ask about the corruption issue. and the corruption issue being,
nobody could do this without the consent of somebody involved here. and, you know, two producers, one we'll introduce in the next segment actually found him easily. and if they can find him, why can't law enforcement find him? they were able to find him fairly easily. >> sean, you mentioned the gaza tunnels. remember, the more modest, drug smuggling tunnels on the southern border. el chapo was the tunnel master. he was the prince of tunnels. his sinaloa cartel principally smuggled their drugs through tunnels. they put him in a prison surrounded by dirt. and apparently no one thinks to think that el chapo, the tunnel master, might dig a tunnel. that, to me, is one of the things that i find difficult to believe, at least the official version. >> it's likely they did know.
right? >> it seems to me that it's almost inevitable that somebody did know. according to an opposition senator, they did. >> we're going to get back to geraldo from mexico later in the program. coming up next here tonight on "hannity." >> making millions on behalf of chapo guzman. you don't end up in forbes magazine without being an smart entrepreneur. >> that was a clip from a documentary about the life of el chapo, coming up next. you're going to meet the filmmaker who went inside the drug kingpin's world. and why if they can find him, why can't law enforcement find him both in mexico and the united states. you'll also hear from two dea agents who tracked guzman for years. that and more on this special edition of "hannity" as we continue. this is how they moved all that dirt. 2,000 tons of dirt. this is the rail they built. here's one car, a second car.
live from america's news headquarters i'm patricia stark. tense moments at a california freeway after a wildfire jumps over the lanes, setting multiple cars on fire. the flames destroying at least 20 vehicles but there are no reports of any serious injuries. it happened on interstate 15 which is the main connector between southern california and las vegas. the so-called north fire started friday afternoon about 55 miles northeast of los angeles. it scorched some 35,000 acres and destroyed at least five homes, 35 acres. well a spectacular propane tank explosion destroying five
buildings in central washington state. the grant county blast sending the propane tank one thousand feet in the air. it also damaged the company that makes plastic tarps to cover haystacks. the hay at that site is expected to burn for days. amazingly, no one was hurt. i'm patricia stark. now back to "hannity." it's a corporate operation. it's no different than a home depot or walmart with a ceo and directors and financial staff. these are corporate infrastructures. making millions on behalf of chapo guzman. you don't end up in forbes magazine by not being a smart entrepreneur. >> that was a clip from a documentary about el chapo that is called "drug lord: the legend of shorty." the film will air next tuesday on pbs stations. joining us now is the film's director. angus mcqueen is with us.
how are you? >> i'm good. thanks for having me on the show. >> you're very welcome. thank you. i went to a drug warehouse, as i mentioned earlier, and i saw the drugs. floor to ceiling, the biggest warehouse you have ever seen. those are only the drugs we confiscated. what did you learn about how these drugs are penetrating into cities and towns, big and small across the united states from him? >> what did we learn? well, it's something we've all known, that for deca ever since the war on drugs quote/unquote was declared the -- there has been a supply of drugs to the united states, to europe, all over the world. that has essentially got greater, not lesser. and the price of those drugs has essentially gone down, not gone up. which would suggest that supply has improved.
i think if you deal with any of the law enforcement agencies when you meet lots of them and speak to them they will all admit that they are touching the very, very small corner of supply. i mean, i once made a film in britain about drugs and the supply of drugs. and we discovered an astonishing figure that the authorities were confiscating under 1% of the amount of drugs coming into britain in the year. >> how were you able to, along with your fellow producer, to track down this guy, when mexico can't get him for the most part. i know nay they got him but then they lost him. and the united states can't get him. how did you get him?
>> we basically didn't believe the story we were being told. we thought we knew where we would find el chapo guzman. who was technically one of the most wanted men in the world. he rated just under bin laden. and then when bin laden was killed up came el chapo as the most wanted man in the world. and we thought we know where you are. so we're going to go and find you. now, if we did -- the fact we found him exactly where we expected to find him, would suggest, to me, that the american authorities and the mexican authorities have known where he is for the whole 13 years. he was on the quote/unquote on the run. >> wow, that's a pretty compelling story. i look forward to the documentary. >> i mean it's absurd but it also tells you something about the relationship between these drug cartels and particularly the sinaloa cartel and the mexican government and elements of the drugs agencies in the
united states. >> so you're saying that -- you're saying that american law enforcement -- this is a pretty severe charge -- mexican law enforcement have known about where he is where he is operating from for years and they did nothing to stop him. now it was obvious the escape, that he had to have some inside help. you're saying that they've known for years, and that the system and that american law enforcement, is that corrupt? >> listen, i am making no charges of anything. i state the simple thing. i'm a simple filmmaker. and with one other person, my colleague, we started out knowing where he was. and we ended up finding him exactly where we started out knowing where he was. i rest my case. if we found him, i'm very sorry, it shouldn't have taken 13 years for the mexican and u.s. authorities to find him. >> what is your opinion of him?
>> i think he is an astonishing businessman. there is a really interesting history of how he has exploited the illegal drugs smuggling operation. i think he is completely brutal. and an implacable enemy. and those two things sit exactly as stated. he clearly is a remarkable figure in the sense of how he has built up and managed to control this empire through a combination of money and fear. money and terror. i mean, the situation -- the story of this man and the story of mexico at the moment, is a sort of tragic farce.
tens of thousands of people have been killed. yeah. tens of thousands. some people say it's over 100,000 people have been killed in the last few years in the mexican drug wars. this is innocent people, as well as a few guilty people. but at the same time, you've got this farce, the man escaped from prison in 2001. he escapes again now. and he's been sitting around in the bit in between a couple miles away from his mom. >> it's unbelievable. but he also must have acquired over that period of time an extreme loyalty. when you look at the sophistication of the tunnel that is built. >> yep. >> they bring in the motorcycle so he can drive through the tunnel. it has lighting and air conditioning in the tunnel. it's absurd to me. you know, that -- obviously the people that work for him are willing to go to those lengths.
and free him and not try and take over his business while he is in custody. >> well, i mean, listen, the two really important things about el chapo guzman when we talk about him. the first is that on one level, he's irrelevant to the story. the price of cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine on the streets of america did not go up when he got arrested last year. there was no change. nor did they go down when he got out last week. so he has an organization, there are a number of heads to it. he's the public face of it. understand that. there are other figures who have been running it. it's a very complex family network which is at the heart of it. a network of interma and you need to understand that
that provokes a sort of tribal loyalty. he pays people very well. you get paid, you know -- the average policemen in sinaloa can easily be paid by the cartel. listen, it's pretty clear that it was either money or fear that will have been applied to the various people in the prison industry or higher up that must have helped in that escape last week. >> i appreciate your time. thank you, angus so much for being with us. we appreciate it. >> it's a pleasure. i hope you all enjoy the film. >> joining us now with more reaction are two men that have tracked el chapo for years. former chief of operations for the u.s. drug enforcement administration michael brawn and the current director of the texas narcotic officers association gill gonzalez. gentlemen, let me get you to first respond to the filmmaker
here. michael, let me ask you. he is saying there is no way he could have survived. here are two film makers that knew exactly where he was, found him exactly where they thought he would be. and he's saying it's no mystery that law enforcement had to have known as well. what is your reaction to that? >> well, sean i would say there is conspiracy theorists that believe elvis is alive and well in area 51. i can tell you that based on 40 years of experience in this business angus, you know look it would make for a wonderful hollywood movie, but he's absolutely wrong on so many points. i would agree with him that corruption is very much at the heart of all of this. and played a critically important part to his successful escape. >> gil, with all that said and i'm a big supporter of law enforcement here it does strike me odd that two film producers
were able to find him in a very short period of time. meanwhile, law enforcement apparently didn't know where he was. that seems odd to me. >> yes, that is very odd. in fact, if it is true, which i have not reviewed the films, but if that is true, they should -- they should be deputized if that have that kind of influence. i suspect that he can be found by people that are not a threat to him. >> gil, couldn't law enforcement use that tactic themselves? couldn't they put cameras on their agents and say we're here to film. we believe in drug legalization? >> yes. yes. i have been undercover many, many times. and in many different circumstances. but there are certain rules and regulations that apply to undercover tactics. but i agree with mr. braun. i mean general pershing was looking for the bandit pancho villa, and he never found him.
it is not a simple task but it is not an impossible task. i really need to see the film to get a better idea of what were the circumstances involving that. but i can assure that every dea agent on the ground boots on the ground in mexico are dedicated, are dedicated to going after these traffickers and assisting the mexican government and bringing him to justice. >> i know they're doing a good job. in this sense, michael, i go back to the florida drug house. floor to ceiling, they're confiscating a lot of drugs. this goes back to immigration, they can cross the border whenever they want. right? >> well i mean, listen. part of this an important part of it also is the border issue. you need to understand something here sean is that listen not long after the attacks on our country in 9/11 over 60% of our department of defense detection and monitoring assets that were
covering and working very closely with mexican counterparts and counterparts throughout latin america, those dnm assets left the theater for other parts of the world where they were desperately needed at the time, and they've never returned. i would like to clarify one thing. >> real quick. >> dea and fbi, federal law enforcement are prohibited from posing as journalists while conducting undercover operations. >> wow. that, to me, seems absurd. i think police officers ought to be able to use any means necessary to get big drug dealers. but wow, that is something i think they ought to reconsider. anyway thank you both for what you do and thank you for being on the program. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up you'll hear from a former chicago gang member who sold el chapo's drugs in the windy city. how far did the drug empire extend into the u.s.? that is coming up next. >> to understand the magnitude of the engineering feat
involved look how far it is to that prison. that's 1.5 kilometers, about one mile away. they tunnelled all that way from this house. talking about the house, the escape house, this was built from scratch. there was nothing here before. like redhead finley river shirts for under $15. save 33% on browning stalker gold baitcast combos. and bring the kids for free workshops activities crafts and more.
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joining me is a former chicago gang member who sold drugs for the sinaloa cartel. harold ward is with us. welcome to the program. how you? >> thanks. i'm great, sean. thanks for having me. >> you sold cocaine, you were sentenced to ten years in jail, you served five? >> exactly. >> when you were doing this, your didn't know you were deal ing with el chapo, right? >> at all. didn't know none of that. i just had a mexican connect. and when i stopped selling, that's when i found out that they was affiliated with him. >> how did you find out? >> i knew -- at the end i saw a couple guys, or i guess at the time i got out had moved up in rank. and when i did see them on tv, i thought oh wow, that's the guys i dealed with. that's how i found out. >> you sold heroin, cocaine -- >> no. >> am i wrong? >> right, i did. >> heroin, cocaine, meth. >> yeah. i ain't sold no meth.
i never sold meth. >> have you changed your life? are you out of the drug trade now? >> i've been out of the drug trade since '89 -- since '93, because i went to jail. been out of it. changed my life around. born again christian now. >> when you think back to those days, if you ever do what do you think about being involved in what is contributing to somebody's ultimate demise in many cases even death? what are your thoughts about that? >> i'm grad you asked that. i always get this question all the time. what is my worst regret in selling drugs. it was selling to my people. that was my worst regret. i think about all the different things that happened and how things was now. i'm not trying to glorify. things are different today than they it was back then when i was selling. it's much wilder now, crazier. no type of respect of nothing. ain't no honor among thieves right now today at all. >> yeah. and was -- when you were
involved in this gang, was there any violence? murder? >> i mean, when i was doing what i was doing, it was murders everywhere. it wasn't just about that. it was basically people just -- the drugs just took over. took their minds. it just did all -- everybody was trying to get their money. it was basically like, you know, it was -- to be honest with you, when we was dogs what we was doing, he had structure, believe it or not. and so it wasn't as many murders as it is right now. now they renegades they do what they want to do. it was structure. >> right. >> that's why the murders was less. >> all right, harold. glad you're on the straight and narrow. i appreciate you being with us. joining us former dea agent richard garcia is with us. richard, from what i understand you're saying that el chapo and his drug distribution has now reached over a thousand american cities. that true? >> that's what they're saying. and the reach is very common. he's all over the world besides the united states.
he's in australia, he's in europe, and he's in asia. he's just not concentrated on the united states. even though the united states has the appetite for drug use. >> knowing what you know, seeing what you see. i've been down to the border 12 times myself and i've seen a lot. does it amaze you that we still don't have control of this border? because it's stunning to me, all of these drugs coming in. this is targeted towards our kids. and we don't stop it. are you as surprised as i am? >> no, i'm not surprised. it's a big border, it's 2,000 miles of the southern border. and it's not just the mexican border. the drugs come in from canada as well. >> how about we control all the borders? don't you think it's imperative we do it. >> well how you going to control all the borders? there is not enough manpower. even if you build a fence, that's not going to stop anything. el chapo is using tunnels.
and they're using catapults to throw and haul around parts of arizona. and that doesn't work. it's a waste of money. >> phil jordan, do you agree with that? i would like to think we wage a significant war to stop all this. >> well, what richard is saying is pretty much on target. fact that if you built a fence, sean, they can go over it and they can go under it. that's not going to stop it. okay. what's going to stop it is reducing the demand in the united states. >> that's a good point. >> that will stop it to a certain degree. but like richard also stated, eloquently, chapo controls the world market on the drug distribution. so it's not just the united states where he's killing our children and increasing the violence, for example, that's happening in chicago. >> okay. let me go back to richard.
so el chapo, here you have two tv producers, they can find him. the mexican government can't find him or keep him in jail. the americans can't get this guy. but two producers find him literally in days. how is that possible? >> well, it all depends on who's the person. i think they said earlier, if they want to be found and if their ego gets in the way that they want to be able to pound their chest and say this is what we're doing and in your face to the united states in your face to mexico, yeah, they'll accept this type of thing. if you try to do an undercover operation which is prohibited, you can't have law enforcement do that. the check and balances to vet the person that's saying who they are. they're not stupid. they have have sophisticated ways to do background checks and look who in the fact they're talking to. you have to be sophisticated on your back stopping to insure you're not giving up the fact that you're an undercover agent.
it's not that simple. also the united states cannot just go into mexico unless the mexican authorities allow us to do certain things. >> they're not helpful, are they? >> no, they're not. with the change of administration they had from the last time. when calderon left the office the various authorities that the dea had, the fbi even in mexico was reduced significantly with the new current president. they wanted to do it themselves. and we know that's not going to work. >> they're not doing a good job, obviously. guys, i disagree on the immigration part. i do thank you for the hard work you put in every day. i do thank you for doing that. >> thank you. coming up what we know about el chapo's family. will authorities ever find him. that's coming up next, straight ahead. 2,000 tons of dirt was taken from the tunnel under that building stored in this area right here, and then removed from the neighborhood. how did that happen with nobody noticing?
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let's talk for a second about what he know about his family. because it's apparently tightly knit. he also married an american wife. wanted his children to have american citizenship. isn't that true? >> that's correct. his wife, emma is actually a family member of one of his closer associates, nacho coronel who died several years ago. she had twin daughters, chapo's twin daughters in los angeles several years ago. they're a tight knit community and they have links across the border. >> what is your reaction to -- allistair are we going to find this guy? do you think he's built an infrastructure even here in the united states where he's paying so many people off? >> i think in terms of finding him, the trail went cold at the end of the tunnel a mile south of the maximum security penitentiary he escaped from. for the moment authorities have named his wife as the highest priority surveillance targets.
they haven't indicated whether they have any idea where she is. as jan mentioned here she gave birth in 2011 to two twin daughters. since that time, she's kept an exceptionally low profile. but it's important to remember that she was the person who was found with him in february of last year with el chapo when he was arrested. the authorities will be hoping to keep a close eye on her and hope she leads them to him. >> mike what is your reaction as you look at the family and the connections and the financial contributions that are apparently made to everybody that comes into this guy's life? >> well the fact of the matter is that the sinaloa cartel has unlimited resources. chapo guzman utilizes a lot of his sons to engage in the drug trade. one of them was arrested in mexico on money laundering charges in 2005. was released three years later because they felt that there was no evidence. so he was released.
he has now been indicted in the southern district of california on drug trafficking charges. second oldest son has been indicted in the state of indiana. and then his young son is engaged in the drug trade as well. and i think that chapo guzman wants to have his sons participate so that if something happens to him, the guzman legacy will continue to dominate the sinaloa cartel. >> a legacy of dealing heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine, marijuana. a legacy that includes murder, right? >> wholesale violence and mayhem. >> all right guys. good to see you, and we appreciate your time. now when we come back will the notorious drug kingpin known as el chapo ever be captured again? we'll go back to mexico with geraldo rivera.
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welcome back welcome back to "hannity." el chapo's daring escape is making many question if authorities will ever be able to catch him again. back with us on the ground again tonight in mexico fox news senior correspondent geraldo rivera. you know i really can't say that i'm hopeful geraldo, considering he was caught once escaped. caught twice, he escaped. an elaborate tunnel obvious collusion of some kind. it seems they're going to have a very difficult time keeping him down. that's my take. what are you hearing on the ground? >> that's the -- i think, sean you just uttered the understatement of the year. difficult, if not impossible. we know that he emerged from that house behind me. that's the last i think we'll see of el chapo in our lifetimes. despite mexico pulling out all the stops, as we saw yesterday and today, personally there are
thousands of uniformed mexican federal police state police various agencies all represented. there is a plethora of uniformed mexican servicemen searching for el chapo. why they are searching in this particular area, i don't know. but they won't find him, i don't believe, sean. >> you know something, geraldo you think of the level of either loyalty or fear involved in this that they're going to dig a one-mile tunnel as sophisticated as you showed us in the program earlier today. and you would think that maybe there is competition. they want to knock him out. somebody wants to be the leader and take over for him and become a billionaire as well but no. they all went to work to make sure that their leader got out of prison again. you know. what does that say about this network that he has built up?
>> i believe, sean that el chapo is back in sinaloa state, his home state, his beautiful mountainous pacific state where he is the absolute ruler. i believe he is back in those caves where everybody is on his payroll. who else was on his payroll is the question. when you have a billion dollars, according to "forbes" magazine to spend, and spend hundreds of millions let's say, in terms of bribery, in terms of what was necessary for that plan, this is a man who is now insulated and isolated himself. i don't think we will hear from el chapo. i believe that he will continue to taunt people like donald trump, people other people maybe in the media maybe taunt his rivals his drug rivals. but they can't from these other states go in to sinaloa where el chapo is the absolute ruler. i believe that he'll be there with his four wives and his ten
children. he'll send out his son and others to continue his business. i think that this man will continue supplying drugs to the united states and elsewhere for some time to come sean. >> you know geraldo, he is on "forbes" most powerful people list chicago's public enemy number one. it is believed as much as 50% of the cocaine, the heroin, the methamphetamine, the marijuana coming into america is coming from his cartel. and it's even been estimated about $3 billion a year in business that they're doing. that is an astronomical sum of money. and i guess that is being used to protect him. >> you know it's very difficult to keep people from becoming corrupt, sean when the average police officer or soldier is getting paid a couple of hundred dollars a month, and the guy offers them a bribe of $500,000 let's say. and not only do i offer you the
bribe of 500,000 or 100,000 or 25,000 or whatever it if you don't take it, i'm going to kill your wife. i'm going to cut the ears off your child. it's very difficult to have an honest law enforcement, even a paramilitary organization when you have that kind of temptation as weighed against the neediness and relative impoverished condition of the people you expect to do this most difficult job for you. >> all right, geraldo. great work as always. thank you so much for being with us. and coming up more on the hunt for el chapo, coming up right after this break. please stay with us.
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for you. and breaking tonight u.s. marines murdered at home and a nation on edge as we are learning new details in the terror investigation into a muslim american. tonight we take a closer look at a growing and determined enemy that is attacking america from within. welcome to "the kelly file" special. i'm jenna lee. right now the country is on alert after a 24 year old fatally attacked soldiers marines and police in chattanooga, tennessee. we dig deep into the background of mohammad youssuf abdulazeez a kuwaity borne u.s. citizen. he was armed