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makes a special appearance. check it out and let us know what you thought of tonight's show on twitter. thanks, everyone. >> as hot spots arrive around the world, our military is powering down. >> the army is reducing. >> why worry about the capability and capacity to win in a major fight. >> with the armed forces getting new marching orders. >> our rotc cadets were pressured to walk around in women's high heels. >> it is kind of bizarre. >> is the new u.s. military ready to face new threats? >> you are sending a message to the rest of the world. you are basically he retreating.
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>> rising threats shrinking military. >> the memorial remind us of many things, first of course of the uncommon valor of our troops. but it also remind us that it can be a dangerous world out there. our military never knows who it will be called upon to travel overseas and accomplish a mission. as much as you desire peace there is no replacement for a military that is strong and ready. >> september 2015 we are witnessing a military funeral but a uss simpson was being
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decommissioned. >> the simpson was the last u.s. war ship to engage in ship to ship combat in 1988 during operation praying mantis. >> three iranian naval vessels and two small boats were sung or severely damaged and must no they will protect our ships, they threaten us, they will pay a price. >> not that long ago the navy had many of the class. now they are all decommissioned. >> it is not just the navy saying good-bye to old friends. in march 2014 the army bid farewell to the warrior helicopter a work force of the air calorie in iraq and afghanistan. >> all of the pilots will be done all of the aircraft will be gone. it will only be in the history books that people even know the role they play.
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>> in the air force the president has capped the no. of f 22 stealth fighters, far short of the no. originally envisioned. >> the budget is a zero sum game. if more money goes to f 22's it is our troops and citizens who lose. >> these actions reflect a trend, numerous military programs have been scrapped including the combat search and rescue helicopter the army's future combat vehicle program, the navy's next generation cruise and several missile defense systems such as the third site missile defense plan for poland and the czech republic. along with the down sizing is a major reduction in the troops themselves. for instance, the army's active force is expected to drop to the smallest since before world wa. 450 soldiers. >> we have cut the military to the lowest levels, yet we are facing a world that is the most complex environment we have
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faced since at least the end of world war ii. >> retired three star general michael flynn ran the defense intelligence agency during the obama administration. >> frankly the united states of america is in a less strong position today because of the readiness and the size of our armed forces. >> i spoke with robert gates, secretary of defense in the last years of the bush administration and the early years of the obama administration. he told me president obama promised him there wouldn't be any significant changes in the military budget for a while. >> overall did he keep to his word? >> i think that began to fray. fray may be too gentle a word. >> before too long gates found himself cutting hundreds of billions from the defense budget. that was only the start. gates was informed the president wanted to announce even more cuts. >> over the last two years secretary bob gates has courageously taken on wasteful
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spending spending 400 billion in current and future spending. i believe we can do that again. >> what was your relacks? >> -- reaction? >> i guess i felt double crossed after all of those years in washington, i was naive. >> the cuts weren't about economicsy so much as a recent change. >> you told the staffers the tax cuts sent a strategic message abroad, the united states is going home to cut a deal with iran and china while you can. >> i think overall it has had that impact. you are send ago message to the rest of the world that you are basically he retreating. >> you meet with president obama and you at the time him the way you will compensate from cuts and more american kids will die because of our decisions. what was his response to that? >> i think he acknowledged it. what i was pitching a the a minimum was the world doesn't
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seem to be getting better. before you head down a path of deep cuts in defense, why don't you take it kind of slow? it was one of those things where i lost the argument. >> i think that he sees the military actually as something that is more dangerous to the world. i think that he looks at us. i do. i think he looks at the united states military and sees it as a threatening application around the world than actually as a useful tool. >> how much more dangerous do you think the world is now than it was seven, eight years ago? >> i think more dangerous, far more dangerous. >> the obama administration has been tightening the belt of the military. is this going done to match a slimmed down version of american foreign policy? we will look at that when we return.
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our diminished military didn't come about simply due to cost cutting measures. some see it part and parcel of this administration's particular view of america's place in the world. >> on the night he was elected barack obama promised a different story of foreign policy. >> the new dawn of american leadership is at hand. >> it didn't take long to see the new leadership in action. on march 6th, it 009 hillary clinton pressed a reset button with russia promising a new era of better relations. june 4th, 2009, president obama gave a speech in cairo promising a new beginning with the muslim world. >> attention has been fed by colonialism. >> he had a confidence coming in as president, 2009 that he could
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altar fundamental -- alter fundamentally the relationship with the muslim world. >> joe lieberman was director of homeland security. >> the message he sent was that the united states was no longer going to exercise the leadership of the world, which incidentally through democratic and republican presidential administrations from the end of the war right up until this time had been the great guarantor of security and prosperity and freedom in the world. >> jeffery gold burg interviewed barack obama on his foreign policy tried to explain the president's approach. >> therefore we have to send 50 cruz missiles to deal with that problem. what he wants to do he says is break washington of the habit
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that they come with potential military solution. >> it was clear he had a new take but the question remained what would president obama actually do? he was against the war in iraq, but his military people warned against a hasty with trawdrawaw. >> it was important we try to maintain a military presence there in order to make sure that the gains that had been achieved with a lot of blood by the united states as well as iraqis that those gains could be maintained. >> leon pinetta was president obama's secretary of defense from 2011 to 2013. >> that's why the pentagon supported maintaining a presence. >> the key to preserving an american military presence in iraq was to negotiate a stay behind force. the president would have to take the lead. >> the only chance we would have had for an agreement would have
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been his intensive involvement personally and that didn't happen. >> so on december 18th, 2011, the last convoy of u.s. troops pulled out of iraq. while all that was happening, the iarab spring spread through out the world. demonstrations riot ns and civil wars, people challenging their leaders. on january 25th, 2011, egyptians gathered in cairo's square to protest the policies that egyptian president mubarak long time ally. >> i always considered it critical to our ability to provide stability in the middle east. >> when it game apparent mubarak had to go the military urged caution. but the president pushed for his immediate removal. >> the entire fashinational sec team recommended unanimously
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handling mubarak differently than we did. and the president took the advice of three junior back venturers in terms of how to treat mubarak. many saying mr. president you have to be on the right side of history and i would be sitting there at the table if we can just figure that out we would be a long way ahead. >> i think he -- i don't think he believes that general should be trying to influence policy. >> on february 11th, must be bar re mubarak resigned. >> the wheels of history turns at a blinding pace. >> the happiest day was when mubarak left. >> muhammad morsi was elected of the muslim brotherhood. egypt's next-door neighbor libya also went up in flames. >> the country's dictator muammar gaddafi had been cooperating with the u.s. since the invasion of iraq in 2003.
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many voices around the world were demanding he be removed from power. once again the president's top military advisors counselled caution when he sided with those who urged him to support the over throw of cgaddafi. the secretary of fence went to extraordinary measures. >> did you tell your subordinates to limit the amount of information they gave to the white house about military options available in liberia? >> i said i don't want any military plans or options going to the white house i haven't seen. >> you write it more bluntly don't give white house staff too much information on the military options. they don't understand it. >> pretty much. >> it was a little blunt. >> you had concerns about that? >> running military operations out of the white house. >> the experience we had had with that in vietnam didn't work so well. >> on march 19th, 20011
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president obama siting humanitarian concerns ordered the military too leave the coalition to confront gaddafi. the libyan leader was captured and killed by a mob, eliciting this response from the secretary of state. >> we came, we saw, he died. >> then there's syria>> on august 20th, 2012, after the syrian regime led by bashar al-assad threatened to use chemical weapons against the enemies in the civil war. president obama put him on notice. >> a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons being moved around or being utilized. >> he prepared to strike if assad did indeed cross that red line.
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on august 21st, 2015, assad regime used the chemical weapons to kill hundreds of men, women and children. how would america respond? president obama ordered his military to stand down. >> they used chemical weapons against their own people and we did nothing. >> we demonstrated weakness instead of strength. >> we will have more on the results of president obama's foreign policy later. when we return we look at how he is transforming our military from the ground up. i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn
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>> the military is going through a trend. it has a solution in how it deals with itself. >> when you are standing side by
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side ain life or death situatios next to other warriors, you have to know in the bottom of your soul that those warriors are going to stand with you. >> mike waltz special forces company commander as well as special advisor to vice president cheney is referring to what is sometimes called the warrior culture. >> you have to have that bond and anything that interferes with that bond needs to be treated very, very, very carefully. >> which is why some critics of barack obama oppose and fear the way the president utilizes the armed forces. they feel he's more comfortable with social change than military command. this president has imposed a political agenda on the military. >> the president of the center for military readiness. >> he has done it by redefining the military as a civil rights institution rather than the institution that defends this
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country. >> you wrote the president showed real passion only one issue concerning the military his decision to over turn don't ask don't tell. >> this is one area where i saw him become angry when things weren't moving as requesticily as he wanted them to move. i didn't see that anger at the lack of progress on really any other issue i was involved with. >> don't ask don't tell was one of the first changes imposed the obama administration, but it was hardly the last. recently in fort gordon georgia hundreds were summoned to a presentation about white, male heterosexual privilege and the need to discuss oppression and the patriarch key. there was an exercise required of some rotc cadets last year. >> we have heard some interesting things, the if a kt
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that male rotc cadets were pressured by the military to walk around college campuses in women's high heels in order to demonstrate their disapproval of the quote-unquote rape culture. >> i found that entire incident bizarre. when i was in rotc cadet i was doing pushups and running until i through up if my boots weren't shined to the level they needed to be. >> even more controversial on december 3rd, 2015, the obama administration removed all restrictions on women serving in ground combat units. >> you will be able to serve as army rangers green berets marine seals, air force para jumpers and everything else that was previously only to only men. >> by opening that door you are simply saying if that is something you are interested in doing here are the standards. >> congresswoman, a member of the hawaii national guard served two tours in iraq. if you meet those standard you should be able to serve there
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whether you are a man or pa woman. >> critics say it is not that simple. >> the idea that men and women are interchangeable especially at the higher level of the combat arm is utterly absurd. >> june eden served with the second marine force in fallujah. >> the standards will be lowered either normally or informally. there was no such thing as gender neutral. sexes are not neutral. >> the congresswoman contends lifting the combat restriction the military is recognizing reality. >> woman have been serving incredibly and courageously in our military for a very long time. we have evseen over a decade aga woman who is actually in the national guard was awarded the silver star for her bravery in close quarters combat. >> a lot of the advocates for women in combat say women have been fighting in combat for decades. it is just not true. i was out there in the infantry on the outskirts of fallujah and
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we would first go in for explosives. we were in danger all day every day we were doing that. that is not the same as hunting the enemy where he lives house to house, cave to cave, mostly on foot. >> critics point out under the new law women will be ordered into combat whether they want to be or not. >> i am sorry, but america needs to think about their daughter in a hand to hand fight in a cage no rules against isis fighters. >> when the army did an official survey the results came back that 92.5 percent of the army women surveyed wanted nothing to do with combat assignments. >> what concerns me with this administration in deal with the warrior culture so critical to the success of our military, they don't understand it and often times they mistrust it. if you turn the military into a social experiment rather than a fighting force that has to meet certain standards and have a
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overseas contingency operations and that the acts of terrorism were to be referred to as man caused reactions. >> it exemplifies the administration we are not going to call our enemies what they are which is islamic terrorists. >> critics say such lang wuage part of the political incorrectness they require of the of the military. some think it is harmless. others wonder. >> in fort hood texas major nidal hasan a doctor in the u.s. military stood up on the table shouted allah akbar and then began to fire. the killed 13 and wounded many others. it was a shocking event. >> staff sergeant was one of the 32 american soldiers hassan wounded that day. >> as the laser went across my eye sight i blinked, he
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discharged the weapon. the first round went in right here in my left eye. it spun me around and i hit the floor. he came up and shot me again. >> as sergeant lunsford lay stool in his own blood he watched major hasan train his weapon on 21-year-old army private francesca valez. when he went to shoot her she said i am praying, i am praying. he fired in i way. her last words were oh my baby, my baby, my baby. >> private valez and her baby died that day. that horrific event some believe an avoidable one. >> hasan was communicating with anwar al-awlaki the radical islamic cleric in yemen. >> in one of the 18 e-mails he exchanged withal lack can i
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hassan told him i can't wait to join you in the after life. lieberman who led the senate investigation into the fort hood massacre suspects the blame may reside in the environment prevailing in obama's military. >> political correctness can't lead you to close your eyes to a clear and present danger to the u.s. and colleagues in the u.s. army. >> that heir of political correctness only thickened as the obama administration insisted what happened in fort hood was not an act of islamic terrorism but rather an act of workplace environment. >> how can you say a terrorist murdering 13 americans was workplace violence? that is just ridiculous. >> as for sergeant lunsford, he is still hurt by the government's lack of frankness. >> what hurts more than the wound itself, the sense of betrayal. the sense of betrayal is when you wake up it is there. when you sleep it is there.
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it is something that never leaves me. it never leaves me. >> the divide between the obama administration and many in the military only widened over the handling of the case of army private bowe bergdahl. bergdahl the man the obama administration labeled a pow was released by the taliban in exchange for five of their top leaders. the ceremony announcing their relief was supposed to be a celebration. >> this morning i called bob and janay bergdahl and told them that after nearly five years in capti captivity their son is coming home. >> what was your reaction when he hosted bergdahl's parents at the ceremony? >> i was pissed. in my view bergdahl should have never been -- >> was he a soldier what was captured? >> we knew immediately that day
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the circumstances of his appearance. he essentially just deserted his post. we were mad as hell about it but didn't diminish our efforts. >> he was forced to leave his post to search for bergdahl. >> it was the no. one priority in the entire theater of afghanistan. the taliban knew it. they began feeding false information into our informant networks to try to bait us into ambushes one of my special forces team went into an afghan compound where we thought bergdahl might be and it was rigged bwith explosives. by the grace of god it didn't explode. those are the conditions we found ourselves in night after night after night for months. >> president obama dispatched one of his top aids to praise bergdahl. >> he served the united states with honor and distinction. >> when she send out susan rice and he said bow berg ball served the united states with honor and
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distinction. >> i about through my television out in the yard. me, his fellow platoon mates, my men and my fellow green berets that nearly died looking for him were outraged. it also shows how tone deaf the white house can be to how military members think and feel. they take words like that, served with honor and distinction very seriously. >> frankly, the white house should have made no statement whatsoever. >> leon panetta told us he was dismayed by the way they handled the bergdahl case. >> i don't mind the efforts in negotiations but you don't just walk in and say we will give you five bad guys. these were individuals who killed in many cases our own soldiers. >> what assurance do we have they are not going to wind up blowing up innocent americans? >> it is demoralizing. >> incredibly demoralizing to
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>> earlier we saw the diplomatic overtures the obama administration made when he took office. today we can see how those policies played out. the president had promised a diplomatic reset with russia. even scrapping a missile defense system in europe as a consolatory gesture. after his reelection he pulled america's main battle tanks out of germany, thanks that had been there since world war ii. all eyes were on vladmir putin to see how he would respond. and in february 2014 put tin sent in troops to cease ukraine's crimean peninsula. >> in europe we invasioned a different kind of relationship than what has actually emerged. we didn't anticipate that russia would illegally annex crimea.
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we didn't see that kind of destabilizing activity. >> next putin's forces began menacing ukraine itself. >> the fundamental point in dealing with a bully like put tin is that you cannot allow bullies to get away with what they wanted to. >> but the president rejected calls for a mosque layer response. instead announcing limited sections. >> i believe there's still a path to resolve this situation diplomatically in a way that addresses both russia and the ukraine. >> i think the president should have taken strong steps to make clear to putin this was unacceptable. he should have provided arms to the ukrainians. >> but he didn't and today russia is emboldened threatening to spread the fear of influence even wider. >> secretaries pen net taw and gates and others told us that you can let bullies get away
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with bullying or you pay a price. >> i was talking about ukraine with the president and he told me, very blunt bly, that ukrain is a nonnato country living in the shadow of are ush shaw will always be subject to russian medaling and domination. that he is doing there is basically signaling this is not worth the united states investment. >> then there were barack obama's overtures to the muslim world where he hopes to change the image of america. he had pulled american troops out of iraq without a stay behind force that had been recommended by his military advisors. but without a u.s. presence, violence immediately returned across the country. neil surge son director of history talked to veterans of the war. >> to be told the mission had
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been aborted must have been a shattering blow. >> iraqis of course couldn't leave. some found another cause. >> many of them wound up eventually, woulding with isis to create the force that ultimately came back and invaded that part of iraq that they helped and hold today. >> wein egypt they supported th over throw leading mubarak. he applauded when the new president was was elected. the muslim brotherhoods muhammad morsi. >> i have come to reaffirm the strong support of the united states for the egyptian people and for your democratic future. >> this was wrong in the egyptian case, because the muslim brotherhood turned out to be the most extreme capable of
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winning large no.s of votes. >> once in office morsi granted himself unlimited powers and i am posed the constitution based on sharia law. >> egypt the administration seemed to welcome the ouster of must be bar reck and mor-- muba. >> he was a classic case of hope and change not actually coming to fruition. >> egypt descended into chaos and was overturned in a cue. libya had been the one nation where president obama was willing to take action with an intervention supported by the u.n. soon dictator gaddafi was wrong. what happened next was libya fell into chaos a fact brought home tragically by an attack in benghazi which killed four americans including ambassador chris stevens. soon warring factions including
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isis and al qaeda were fighting for power. >> i was in a key job in the administration and i can't sit here and tell you what were our goals. eliminate gaddafi. >> wasn't he warned about the dangers of taking out qaddafi? >> turns out the gate side was right. but i think obama is now on the side of irnd not have let then be measured. >> syria you will recall is where president obama drew a red line then it was crossed. >> the president and his
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advisors agreed on an attack plan. >> chuck hagel served as president obama's secretary of defense from 2 oh 013 to 2016. >> the president had made the final decision, and a few hours later we are pulling that down we are reversing that. secretary hagel said the president's decision damaged the credibility. >> it was all over the world. the allies would ask me, how can we have confidence in whatever else he says? it's an old principle that the president should be very careful about drawing lines. but once he drew that line, and the united states is obligated to enforce that red line. >> for a lot of people in
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washington, a bunch of other places around the world this is a weak moment for the united states, a weak moment in his presidency. what he told me was not only was it not a weak moment it was a quote proud moment for him. it's the moment he broke with the washington play book. >> he doesn't see it as weakness at all. >> he see it is as a moment of great fru dense sees it as the application of smarts. he does not see it as we see it. >> if it was a proud moment others ask, what has it produced? >> in the end what you have, you have middle east devastated, more suffering, more killing, more distress, more hatred. >> and so the man who presented himself that's the hman of peac is presided over much more violence than his predecessor. >> when we return we talk to men in uniform and ask them if we are prepared.
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>> america is lucky that it has been separated from its greatest enemies by two oceans. but the world is getting smaller. which makes some ask if it's a good idea that our military is getting smaller? >> in the summer of 2014 vladmir putin tested his against the nato forces. >> the aircraft we haven't seen before in the no.s in that formation. >> it was one of several such incidents and the response was
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very much like the drill you are seeing now at richardson in alaska. >> it counts because of the vast distances here in alaska. >> he pilots this stealth rafter fully rm aed and ready to go at a moment's notice. >> every second we can make up on the ground we can get closer and identify whatever is out there. >> one thing he has seen out there is the 95 bombers capable of carrying nuclear weapons. >> these encounters have become common enough lately that at norad, the eyes of the north, they have gone back to an old custom placing red plaques on the wall every time there's an intercept. there are plenty who see russia as a danger we can't simply ignore. >> they present the greatest threat to american history
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safety. >> they are the only ones that can destroy the united states of america. >> we are confronting a russia entered a new chapter in the cold war. >> it is not only ush are shaw we have to watch out for. last september china sent five war ships toward alaskan waters. >> we began to posture ourselves for any event that might happen while they were here especially with understanding the president would be visiting at that time. >> colonel harley bowed dean commands the norad air operation center. >> we move forces around to ensure that we were able to track them with the utmost confidence to know exactly where they were the entire time. >> while the chinese were offshore president obama visited ac anchorage and gave a speech. >> it moves this once distance threat is very much in the present. >> he wasn't referring to the military threat. >> human activity is disrupting the client. >> he was talking about climate change. meanwhile as russia builds brand new bases across the arctic and
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china builds up plann land and sea forces, the pentagon is reviewing a position to cut back up to 71 percent of an airborne para trooper brigade based in alaska. >> every senior official knows this is a vital component of the army. >> he is part of the 425 infantry brigade combat team ready to go anywhere in the pacific within hour'ss i notice. >> such decisions are all part of our newer, smaller military in its newer, less intrusive role. to kneel ferguson there's a lesson in all of this that we are already starting to learn the hard way. >> the lesson is that it is when a great power withdraws that conflict is most likely to escalate. that's exactly what has happened and the result is a sobering
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one. >> amid the rising threats the army has returned its battle tanks to europe and pushed off the decision to cut the 425 by another year until another president takes office. >> what kind of world will that president, he or she inherit? >> the next president will face a world that is more complex, more challenging for american interests than any president of the aid that i served. >> it is whether we can promote a world than conserve the values we have. if the president doesn't provide that leadership nobody else will. >> president obama is a retrefrnment president. he doesn't want america to over commit military and he is lightfoot print raids. if you are obama the military is in better shape because i don't have 180,000 troops in iraq and
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afghanistan fighting wars that are unbeatable and not that porn the. >> i have concerns about the readiness of our army forces to be able to deal with great power war with one of or two of four countries. you are talking about china, russia, iran and north korea. >> we are going to see ourselves potentially in a war that is far greater than what we have experienced in the middle east given everything that the president of the united states has been told about the complexity and the danger that exists in the world today. stop the bleeding that you are causing to our armed forces. >> the u.s. has been involved in nonstop military action abroad for more than a decade and a half. americans are widely thought to be war weary. we all know it is still a very dangerous world. our first president george washington famously warned his young country against foreign entanglements.
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but he did say something else just as significant. one of the most effective means of obtaining peace he said is to be prepared for war. that's our show. thanks for watching.
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