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do. but, anyway, we want to hear from you, go to facebook.com/seanhannity, @sean hannity on twitter. hope you're here tomorrow night. >> welcome to this second edition of "tucker carlson tonight," the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pompocity smugness and group think. donald trump won the election a week ago tonight. insist it's not over. particularly on facebook there are suggestions the next few months the results of this election could be undone by some technical means, giving the presidency to somebody else come january. preposterous you say? al thc enfevered dream of the whacko bernie left one of the things your kids' teachers have been telling them that is not true? not entirely, actually. >> i'm sorry, hillary, you were robbed.
>> he is only president cause of a stupid idea from the 1700s that was meant to apiece people in the rural south and slave states. >> hopefully the electoral college will hear us and go with the popular vote which hillary clearly won. >> the true democracy is who wins the popular vote. >> it was not the most votes. democracy -- stand electoral college must end. >> i'm protesting this electoral college because donald trump did not have the popular vote. >> the majority of americans wanted hillary clinton. not donald trump. more people wanted her than him. >> he may have gotten the electorals but she still had the popular vote and we, the people, don't have the voice. >> so not everybody thinks the results are legitimate. among those who believe trump could lose this election electors those charged with choosing the next president in electoral college. we will talk to at least one tomorrow, i think. others in the electoral college be abolished is that possible even and is it a
good idea. with us is dr. john gilmore. public policy of the college of william and mary in virginia. professor, it's great to see you tonight. >> good to be here. >> first to the rumors floating around the social media they are ubiquitous. i went over them with my children last night is it possible for the electoral college to take the presidency away from trump. >> possible in the technical sense in that electors are free to vote who they want to once they cast their vote for the elector. the republican electors who are supporting trump are republican donors. they are activists. they are people who spent years working for the republican cause. so for them to get there at their -- to the electoral college and cast their vote for hillary clinton or somebody else is just about inconceivable and some states it's actually illegal. actually required by state law. >> it's not going to happen. i wonder though just as an american what do you think the message of people talking about that possibility is to the people who voted for trump? >> well, i think those people are just really disappointed and this is
their way of working through disappointment. >> in so doing aren't they also sending a really clear message we don't care about you your issues or election result we were willing to subvert democracy because we don't like the result. >> i think they would be happy to undermine the legitimacy of trump's election. >> yes. >> maybe that's what they're trying to do and say if he is sworn in as president, he is not really a legitimate president. >> you say that the electoral college itself ought to be abolished, why? >> two main problems with it one of them is that you get the situation like this where one candidate wins the popular vote. >> right. >> it looks like hillary clinton is likely to win with a margin of about 1.5 million votes. a lot more than al gore got in 2,000. but donald trump has substantial lead in the electoral college vote. and that's just difficult to explain. it's difficult to explain to people why the candidate who won the popular vote isn't going to be the president. >> because it's happened pretty recently 16 years ago. we are all kind of familiar with this and we knew that going in, right? >> that's right.
there is a second reason why the electoral college isn't good. a number of them. second most important one means the candidates aren't competing for much of the country. states like california, texas, illinois, new york, new jersey, are completely off limits for the candidates. at one point trump went in staged campaign events in mississippi and texas. and people were making fun of him for doing that because everybody knew he was going to win those states. why campaign there? i think it was much better. >> isn't the opposite true? if the popular vote were all that mattered then the population centers would be the only places that anyone campaigned or paid attention to. and, yet, you know, our cities are the places where all the jobs are all the money is, all the prosperity is, and the rest of the country has nothing and you are suggesting taking the one thing they have left which is political power away from them. >> candidates already campaign in plenty of places that aren't big silly. >> they have to because of the electoral college. >> i don't think it would make that big a difference. >> if you took that away why would i ever leave chicago,
los angeles and houston. >> there are plenty of votes all over the place. >> there is a big country out there between georgetown and malibu that great dark space we never visit from washington. all those people would be ignored, no? >> they wouldn't be ignored but more attention would be focused on cities but that's where people are that's why it's important for campaigns to campaign in front of people. everybody's vote count. the current way we elect presidents a lot of people don't exist. huge states we know is going to go for one party or the other are completely ignored by the candidates. i think that's unfortunate. >> you are saying that like sophisticated affluent you coastal culture doesn't get enough attention in our society. >> not in the election. >> not in the election. we're just not paying attention to barbra streisand and her friends? >> she gets plenty of attention. >> well, we agree. preston, great to see you tonight. thank you. >> you are welcome. >> we appreciate it vice president elect mike pence
spent the day guilded inside the trump power. mr. trump and the transition team. rob schmidt is outside the building right now in midtown where he has news of staff shakeups. rob, what's going on? >> yeah, tucker. you know, it's been an interesting day at trump tower. and actually senator ted cruz just left the tower just a few minutes ago. maybe donald trump's biggest rival in the primary race, all those nasty things that were said. and here is he today paying a visit. so that's politics for you, as strange as it can be sometimes. and i think that as surprised as everybody was with this election last week to see donald trump take this election and win it. it appears that his staff was as well. and that's why this transition right now isn't going as smooth as you would maybe think that it would. certainly not one of the smoothest that we have seen. there is about 4,000 jobs. more than 4,000 jobs to fill here, tucker. one snyder tol insider told us e
game of thrones. cut throat as dirty as politics can be. that's what they say it's like inside of this campaign right now. so it's very interesting. and most important to those jobs is going to be the cabinet. the president-elect's cabinet who is going to be filling those major positions. we will giveou insight into that. a lot of names floating around at this point and loyalty, of course, as we have seen with donald trump has been so key. those who are loyal to him are always pretty well taken care of. maybe nobody more loyal than alabama senator jeff sessions who an insider told us today basically gets his pick of what he wants to do. because he was so loyal to donald trump. even from the get-go of this thing. he was always a strong backer. never wavering on his support for the president-elect. he could end up being defense secretary. that's the way it is looking right now. maybe attorney general as he is a lawyer. we have to wait and see how all these things come out. also former new york city mayor rudy giuliani could wiped up being secretary of state. is he a strong candidate for that position. speculation that he would be
attorney general actually went to rest last night when he killed that idea. here is campaign manager for the trump campaign kellyanne conway with more on that. >> he addressed this. he said he would not be attorney general. he is, i think, actively thinking about secretary of state. that decision is ultimately donald trump's. we know he would be an incredible secretary of state. we know he would represent this country very well around the world as he went to implement donald trump's vision. >> well, v.p. elect mike pence had a very busy day today. is he heading this transition now. he took over for new jersey governor chris christie who really has had a tough year. a tough several months. and after the bridge gate trials came to an end, i believe last week when two of his top staffs were found guilty, thateally looked bad. and that really put a bad taste in the mouth of a lot of people around the country and of course here in new jersey and new york where we followed that trial much closer that nearly destroyed the new jersey governor's reputation. that has pushed him out of
this administration at this point. a big day for mike pence though. the vice president elect tomorrow, is he going to sign some documents allowing the obama administration to share information with the trump transition team. this afternoon donald trump did receive his first daily intelligence briefing. that, of course, a big thing as well tore donald trump. trump's campaign finance chairman monda -- taketaxes bace haven't seen since the reagan administration. send it back to you. >> thanks, rob, we appreciate it this just in more lunancy from the ivory tower. thomas jefferson you remember him. wisest man in history. author of the declaration of independence, third president and top it all off the founder of the university of virginia is apparently no longer welcome on his own campus. a group of 500 uva students title historical and one professor have petitioned the university's president to stop quoting mr. jefferson because he once owned slaves.
for one thing god bless her for this the president pushed back said quoting historical figure does not imply endorsement of all the social structures and beliefs of his time such as slavery and the exclusion of women of color, people and women of color from the university, end quote. after all, if you ran away from everyone who once owned slaves in history, at least one great world religion would be in trouble. time for tonight's twitter storm. report from the hurricane eye of social media one hash tag trending on twitter. started on the left and quickly became appropriated by some on the right. begin tonight by the left. media rant tore tweete tweeted s can't change name of electoral college to trump university. what do you mean i can't turn it into a reality show. one
we will leave it to you decide-to-decide who won. how did a thoroughly secular manhattan billionaire win over so many evangelical voters. we will introduce you to some of the christians who helped elect donald trump. that's next. also, hillary's campaign is gone. but her email scandal lives on possibly forever. jason chaffetz, chairman of the house oversight committee joins us next to explain why his investigation may continue.
>> well, early in the campaign you will remember donald trump was mocked confused how many corinthians there were in the new testament? did evangelical voters care? it didn't effect their votes. they supported trump overwhelmingly. ground breaking new series where we explore life outside of washington, new york and los angeles. jonathan serrie headed out the first sunday after the election to talk to some of those voters. ♪ >> republicans have long courted christians, especially during the primaries. but donald trump won white evangelicals by a record 81% in last week's presidential election. >> unlike a previous nominees who sort of backed away and kept those voters
and their iues at arm's length during the general election, he embraced them and pulled them close. >> it may seem an unlikely marriage for a candidate who has been twice divorced and often criticized for vulgar banter. >> they were never under any allusions that donald trump was one of them. >> but conservative political activist ralph reid says evangelicals had a simple request. >> that he shared their issues agenda and that he would fight for it and during the course of a very tough campaign, he persuaded them on both of those points. >> atop their agenda composition of the supreme court and abortion. >> evangelicals feel very strongly about abortion. i don't know if roe vs. wade would get overturned but it would be my hope. >> the issue of sanctity of life was paramount. >> he came out strongly pro-life. hillary definitely is not. >> and the fact that is he
pro-life is my main reason. >> i'm not necessarily voting for a candidate. i'm investigating for the platform. >> dr. michael yousef who runs a worldwide television and radio ministry says evangelical voters don't just care where their candidates stand on the issues but the people he surrounds himself with. >> i know mike pence who is a great man and a stallwart supporter of life. he was that when he was in congress. i have no hesitation whatsoever in voting for the ticket. >> the role conservative christians played in this election disproved any doubts about their staying power according to hollywood actor kurt cammeron. >> it did not turn out to be the final hour for evangelical christians in america, but potentially our finest hour. >> many christians see the election as a victory for their core beliefs and values. but in order for their agenda to reach fruition, evangelical leaders understand this is just the first step and they need to remain actively involved in
the political process. tucker? >> thanks, jonathan. well, a week ago donald trump won such a large percentage of the blue collar vote that even the hillary campaign seemed surprised by it one person who definitely was not shocked was our next guest he is a former democratic senator from the state of virginia who some believe may wind up in the trump administration former senator jim webb and he joins us right here on the set. senator, good to see you. you haven't said how have voted for you think it's private. you have -- we can assume you are at least not hostile to the president-elect. so the question trying to unravel in washington is how exactly did the democrats lose their hold on the white working class which they claimed for generations? >> well, i have been talking about this since before i even ran. >> yeah. >> that the base of the democratic party used to be working people, regardless of race, ethnic, or ethnic identity sexual orientation, et cetera. that was a rosen vet agenda
and truman agenda. over time and i think particularly over the last 8 years, the democratic party has moved into interest group politics and in many cases white working people have become the whipping post or were. i think what you saw in this election here is white working people in these rural areas seeing that someone actually was articulating the fact that they had become disenfranchised and they gravitated toward trump in my view. >> seen as embarrassing to take up the cause of that group. analysts are thinking why would they align with a billionaire from manhattan. in your speech today you said something really interesting. we will but the it on the screen if we could. you said 60% more immigrants china to the united states college degrees. more than 20% of whites from appalachia have college degrees. much more misinformed debate. advantaged.
privileged while being a so-called minority is to somehow be disdisadvantaged. why wouldn't the people of kentucky be offended by that premise. >> what i think has happened i mention in there from the immigration act of 1965 forward, the ethnic and racial makeup of the country has dramatically changed, but the laws with respect to affirmative action and the diversified have not. i mean, the laws were originally designed to help african-americans move away from the -- what they call the badges of slavery. it was the 13th amendment. a slavery amendment. it expanded to the point where it's anybody who doesn't happen to be white was included in these diversity programs. and you see a natural reaction. you know, i mentioned clay county, kentu poorest county in america. 94% white and wouldn't if you were in that county with 40% poverty rate, wouldn't you think this is reverse
discrimination? >> but you are privileged. hillary clinton said explicitly you are privileged just by virtue of your skin color. >> she is the only person who has said that. that's sort of become a mantra and affected, i think, the afint of white working people toward the democratic party in a negative way. >> so, i think what you are saying is a lot of these voters, regardless of how they felt about trump were so alienated by the democratic party and their views they couldn't vote democrat. >> a lot of the people analyzing what happened. some are saying it's the economy. it's not just the economy. it's not just guns. it's not just even the evangelicals with respect to their votes. it's a dignity issue and also a fairness issue with respect to how they see the government working. >> what do you mean fairness? >> fairness, in terms of government policies. when you have diversity programs that exclude people simply because they are white. and white cultures are very
stratified by the way. the white, you know, when you have a racial makeup for your statistics, people tend to forget that the people at the bottom, in terms of income and education have been frozen out of a lot of stuff in this country. >> so my last question. you were a democrat, represented, obviously, the commonwealth of virginia as a doctorate. i think you still are a democrat as far as i know. what do your friends in the democratic party say when you say things like that. >> i have been saying it for a long time. years ago, i made an example in the speech today. years ago they were talking about how you get the white working vote. and they put pieces of legislation rather than what i said to them is this isn't that complicated. they don't align themselves with the democratic party because they don't think democrats like them. and i think what we're seeing right now, finally, is the ability to discuss this issue in an age of political correctness where you can't even say the word white working people without having someone blanch. >> right. that's a same.
to rededicate itself to honesty. how is that project going a day in? here is a look at. so "new york times" headlines from this morning. quote. trump staff shakeup slows transition. okay. next, trump is criticized for hard right pick: getting warmer. from the fringe to the white house. adding a little subjectivity into the headline. next, putin and trump agree in a phone call to improve ties. all right. obligatory putin headline. here is something all voters are worried about. after trump's win what's next for mexico toe? that answers the question you have been wondering about. joining us is a musher at the publicist and our friend dinan from the "washington times." you are a long time newspaper man. you have been in this business your whole life. >> i have. >> when you are sitting around budget meeting figuring out headlines i wonder what's going on in the pipeline in mexico is that something you have about election result. >> no.
look, the "new york times," i actually interpreted their statement yesterday a little differently. i didn't see that as an apology for coverage. i saw that as, look, their readers expected them to be much harder than donald trump than they were. and their readers, frankly, expected them to be softer on hillary clinton than they were. they have a balancing act to do there i saw -- i interpreted the last line of that where he said we have a duty to our readers. look, we know what you expect. we are going to make sure to give that to you. >> but they there are only so many people who live at 82nd and broadway. do you know what i mean? they have in mind a very specific reared when they are doing their stories. no? >> they do. i understand what you are saying about being harder on him and softer on her. i think what they actually really expected for the "new york times" to be right about what was going to happen in this election. i think the real problem that they have here and illustrated by these headlines is even if they may talk about rededicating themselves to fairness or something that a bit more responsible in covering politics, the fact is they don't know what they don't
know. they don't he the fact -- of what it is like to be a trump voter to live in a trump county to participate in the kind of social activities and cultural activities that those voters participate. in i think the real problem is that the "new york times," along with some other media organizations got so in their bubble during the course of this election they were incapable of covering it fairly and being accurate. >> the criticism holding the "new york times" to a higher standard and i will plead guilty to that i do. it's an important newspaper and they ought to be trying harder to be objective than other people try. when you put words like fringe or hard right into a headline entirely subjective words that have no fixed definition at all that are only in the eye of the beholder, you are making editorial statement, aren't you? >> go back to the second tax story they did on donald trump and the taxes. end of october. that story read far more like a column than a news story. there is some point during this election when it became clear that trump actually was headed for a victory in the republican primary, a lot of news organizations sort of stepped back and
looked and said whoa, we haven't been hard enough on him. they went ahead and started crossing a lot of those boundaries and a lot of those lines. they absolutely did that. and i think what they -- they are going through a reuation whether that was correct to do or n that was obviously the statement you saw. i guess i would say we do have to remember the "new york times" are also the ones who exposed the hillary clinton secret email server publicly. they were, to be fairly tough on both candidates. >> this is how car crashes always begin by going too far in one direction and wildly overcorrecting into a tree. >> not just the "times" but i would particularly point though this a lot of media organizations made calculation the likelihood of hillary's win was so huge they no longer sent people out in the filed field to talk to voters out there who had strong opinions in the opposite direction. i think that showed in the way that they covered this, especially in the waning days of the campaign. >> this is always the problem. you know what you know.
you know what you are going to find with no capacity left for surprise. you find what you are going to find. >> you said a minute ago and i think it's exactly right. we have for a very long time held the "new york times" to a higher standard. we expect them to do better than any other news organization out there. i no longer think that's introduce. they have a rearedship they are responding to and like every other rearedship that rearedship has become very polarized and they are responding to that. >> that's totally right. that's why i'm not as mad as "the washington post." i always thought it was a piece of garbage newspaper and now it's been proven. i'm not crest fallen to learn that are you? >> from my perspective i think they are responsible journalists who work at both organizations. >> yes. >> unfortunately their vows, which actually were a lot more colored and had a lot more gray area to them, were not the ones that wherein 00 front page. they were the stories you have to look at. now after all of this is over you can find here and there different dots that could be connected that showed hey, hillary clinton is really going to perform among african-americans. hey, there is something going on in the white working class across middle america that is different
than what we have seen. >> they always let the 25-year-old sneering ivy league guy doesn't have any experience of anything write the page one stories. >> that's why you end up with headlines so colored by politics. >> i agree. thank you very much for injecting sanity into this conversation. >> thank you. >> hillary clinton may not be the next president she is not gonna be. jason chaffetz says congress is not done investigating her use of a private email server. and an alleged pay-to-play scam at the foundation. great to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> this is going to continue. why? >> we have got to get to the truth. it was never about the political targeting of hillary clinton. she did create one the biggest security breaches in the history of the state department. we have tens of thousands of documents we still haven't seen. you have more than hillary clinton involved in this. you have dozens of people within the boughs of the organization. you have the under secretary management patrick kennedy who says he was able to bury documents down into the boughs of the state department just by misusing a foia division, freedom of
investigation act investigation. we have a whole array. >> the lindt foundation that will not come to a close when power changes hands from obama to trump? >> well it, should. have you people who have security clearances that obviously violated those but have not been disciplined in any way, shape, or form that i can tell at the state department. of course we are going to look at that we would be remiss to just dismiss it. it wasn't political targeting at the beginning. so because there has been a political election, why should i just drop it. >> that's right. in fact, the stakes are lower now because she is not running for anything. >> but we have one of the biggest security breaches ever. of course we have got to fix that how did they migrate all of this classified information out of the system? you know, you're not sitting at one. >> the mechanics of it, you mean? you do not know that yet? >>. no because you can't sit at one computer this one is classified and this one is not classified. somebody had to physically take that and put it on
another system. physically upload. >> did you ask them. >> that's why they owe us tens of thousands of documents from the department of justice and the state department itself. >> mechanical question got lost in the noise of the final week of the campaign. i think about 650,000 emails on the infamous weiner computer, the fbi says it evaluated them in a relatively short period of time. it takes me weeks to get my passport renewed. how did they do that? >> and why did it take when they were looking at 30,000 it took them months to get through it? they also were very -- if you go back and read that letter, they only looked at hillary clinton's emails while she was secretary of state. well, the committee is very interested in what she did when she set up her server which was actually the day she started her senate confirmation and what about those months and years after the fact pause she still here in 2016 getting ready to celebrate new years we still don't have the documents that go back to 2000 12k34-9 if you were newly elected president would you keep comey on as fbi director. >> look, i'm not in the position to make that.
>> do you have confidence in him personally. >> yes, do i have confidence in him. i have nothing to believe he was politically motivated. he had a duty and obligation to actually present to congress the fact that he was -- because of our july hearing that he was actually continuing the investigation when he said that it was -- had concluded. it was obviously not. they were going to spend money and resources. he had to notify congress. to that regard he did the right thing. >> because looking at it just from a civilian perspective you are getting whiplash going back and forth what is this about? you think at every tim turn he did the prescribed thing. >> i would come to a different conclusion than he did. but i still want to learn more about the investigation. we have allegations of a quid pro quo. i would like to hear more about that. but, in terms of not foyeing congress, making himself available to congress, yes. but until i have the tens of thousands of additional documents that we don't yet have, i can't get to the conclusion yesterday. >> mr. chairman, great to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> thanks for coming on. there is no question obamacare hasn't turned out as expected and bill clinton
so, what's next? it's the question we plan to answer regularly on a variety of topics. but tonight it's going to mean what's going to happen next with obamacare. for more than a year donald trump has vowed to repeal and to replace that unpopular law. now he says he may keep some elements of it in place. either way though, president obama's signature law isn't working as promised and virtually everyone agrees on that. the question is why. what does it mean? joining us now is obamacare architect dr. emanuel. thanks a lot for joining us. i appreciate it. >> nice to be here. >> obamacare is the biggest piece of social reorganization passed in my lifetime and, yet, it has never so far as i know had
majority support or strong majority support from beginning until now. >> tucker, hold on. >> i have never seen a poll that suggest a majority of americans support obamacare. >> hold on. >> shouldn't you buy from the public before reorganizing their healthcare. >> the public likes many of the provisions. >> yeah, some. >> you poll keeping your child on parent's plan until age 26 almost 80% of the public likes that. no prior disease exclusions. >> right. >> closing the doughnut hole for medicare beneficiaries. >> you are right. i'm aware of that. >> the only provision that shouldn't. >> shouldn't you get people to buy in first. >> did you ask me a question? i'm answering the question. >> i did. >> let me answer the question please, a little respect. >> go ahead. >> the only provision that scores under 50% is the mandate and people haven't understood that if you want
no preexisting disease condition exclusion, you have to have a mandate. those are inextrickably linked. the public, of course, would like their cake and eat it, too. but you cannot have both of those. >> before you continue to patron nice the public let me make one thing clear. the poorest segment of our society is the young people. this generation is the poorest people of their age in three generations. they are the pushest. forcing them to buy into the system to subsidize the healthcare old and sick or richest segment of our population. why is that fair and why would you expect them to like it? >> well, first of all, young kids are subsidized in the obamacare plan. if they don't make above 100 percent of poverty, they go on medicaid and they get almost cost-free healthcare. and if they are on the low end of income, they are very heavily subsidized to get health insurance. they're not spending a lot of money for peace of mind and protection. and i think that is a good
deal. one of the reasons. >> but they don't think it's a good deal. >> tucker, are you going to let me finish. >> i'm sorry. i'm following up. they don't think it's a good deal. that's why you are forcing them to do it. am i missing something? trying to get a straight answer. force them to do something they don't want to do. you are telling them it's a good deal and they don't believe it's a good deal. >> a lot of them haven't explored what the deal is they have heard your rhetoric that it is not a good deal and haven't actually seen. >> so you are saying that i have convinced people that obamacare isn't as great as it really is? is that what you're saying? >> there has certainly been a lot of very bad rhetoric and very bad attacks on it rather than give it its fair shake. >> are you going to blame morning talk radio? >> i do think we can actually make the deal better. i make proposals out there how to adjust it. if you were a business and you launched a major initiative, you would revise it as unintended consequences occur as you
see that there are problems. >> that's right. >> the problem here is, congress hasn't allowed us to make those adjustments in six years. >> i'm conceding your reasonable point. i get it. >> the working of the machine. >> are you going to let me finish an answer. you keep interrupting me like i'm not your guest. treat me like your guest. >> i let you finish. >> you didn't let me finish. >> to add to what you said the president began this speech to joint session of congress in 2009 in which he said obamacare will be the end of the discussion how to organize healthcare in this country. i was sitting right there and he said that he promised it would be perfect upon rival. arrival. shouldn't somebody acknowledge that isn't true before we move onto the next generation of obamacare. >> excuse me, that is totally untrue statement. the president never thought it was going to be perfect upon arrival. >> do you want me to read you the quote. >> we live in a democracy. no legislation is perfect. >> i'm not the first president bring it up i'm
determined to be the last. >> address down the line that wield learn about problems and we would have to fix them. coming just was -- the republicans were totally intransient about. >> nobody believes you, doctor. >> as they arose. >> we all watched this happen. i'm sorry you would have much more credibility if you would say we were wrong about some things. you can't keep your doctor. more expensive than we thought it would be. healthy people have to subsidize. >> could you please show my slide, tucker. >> i would expect more from someone who is a doctor. >> show my slide. tucker, show the slide i gave you to put up here. >> okay. >> are you showing the slide? >> i'm sorry, there is your slide right there. it doesn't mask your demagoguery, doctor, you just blamed the republicans who had not one thing to do with your legislation as you know and you discredit yourself by doing that. >> it had a lot to do with it by their negative non-helpfulness. on that graph it shows you what healthcare inflation has been and the fact that healthcare inflation has come way down because of partially because of obamacare and that difference between the two
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79 of the 112 people taken into custody during those demonstrations di were not registered or cast a ballot. spent five nights and dissolved into riots caused more than a million dollars property damage and scared the hell out of everybody. here now with his thoughts on that is fox news roaming correspondent, a man who has roamed far and wide across the frigid plain is geraldo rivera. geraldo, i have got to say, i'm probably less appalled than this in new york i think you have a right to protest if you don't vote but you disagree. >> first of all i hope our entry gos as smooth as the dr. emanuel. >> you can't blame republican force a law they didn't have anything to do with. >> true. i also have to say congratulations on the big, big show here. >> thank you. >> i love your confirmation hair cut. it's really working for you. >> that's mean. i appreciate it. [ laughter ] >> listen, i don't -- like
you, i believe that i have nothing against profits pro se unless you inconvenience people grievously or break other people's stuff. i was renowned or notorious protester, 1968, '69, anti-rights. anti--war. there was perfectly american tradition of nonviolent protests. what happened in oregon though was despicable. it was thuggery. it was people who not only didn't vote. some of some of them probably voted for jill stein or gary johnson just as bad or almost as bad. not only that, they were ironically the bitter irony they were breaking stuff in a city and in a state that went overwhelmingly for hillary clinton and against donald trump. so they had no logic to what they did. i think there are protesters with a specific beef in this
country, tucker. and you and i can have this discussion any time you want. i think these dream act students who now are threatened with deportation even after president obama gave them deferral from deportation, i think those kids have a right to protest because they are living in abject terror now that their lives are going to be disrupted. >> but they are not -- just to be totally clear, you will concede that the president's order was illegal and b, they are not citizens. it's a little weird if i showed up and pick a country in latin america and said i'm staying here and going to take taxpayer subsidized services and if you don't like it i'm going to throw a rock through the window of starbucks. people would say that's unreasonable actually. >> i have seen no ruling that the initial 700,000 young people brought here as children by their parents through no fault of their own. >> right. >> and lived law abiding lives here in the united states, i have seen no ruling that that was either unconstitutional or illegal.
there is a stay on the expansion of the program to their parents by one federal court judge in texas that has been affirmed by the united states supreme court. but it has to be litigated. >> think humanistically about these children now. >> i feel for every one of them. >> they are going back to a country they have never seen, at least in their. >> i get it but here's my macroproblem with this. the real colonel of american politicians ought to be american citizens. that's who they are elected to watch out for. and, yet, on the left, their main concern seems to be people who are not here legally. where are your sympathies there are american citizens whose lives are affected negatively by the presence of people here illegally. doesn't mean they are bad people. it means your number one priority is looking out for your people. american citizens and on the left they don't care. >> i reject your contention that they impact the lives of citizens negatively. >> oh, come on, that's not the way i see it the vast majority of the people who voted for donald trump live in areas where undocumented immigrants do not reside.
they -- most of them have never had any kind of interaction with an undocumented immigrant. and certainly not these children. >> let's be reasonable. i'm not against the children. >> these are american kids in every way, shape, or form, tucker, except the fact the accident of their birth. >> if all of a sudden your school finds flooded. they probably are great people it's a massive drain on resources and all of a sudden they are canceling gym and music and your kids' experience becomes less goodnessly because there is a limited pool of resources. to say there is no consequence of this is wrong, it's silly. >> this is the town i was born. in i was born on manhattan island. there are 500,000 undocumented immigrants in the five boroughs of this city. you never hear about them. >> because our children don't go to school with their children. that's why. >> people mind their business, they work hard. they deliver pizza at 2:00 in the morning on february,
you know, with the wind blowing up your pants. i think you have to have -- i like donald trump. i have known him forever. i wish him every success in the world. but i think now is the time for him to reassure people these aren't the people he is talking about. building his wall or deportation force. these are kids. >> but what about -- i mean, why do you think that trump got the overwhelming voters because their lives are affected by massive immigration. >> people like steven king in iowa starting at the get to of the presidential race. they make these people into boogie men that the voter can put all their fears and loathing on these people. >> i'm sorry. i'm calling p.c. on you no more boogie men. great to see you. roam on, geraldo. >> good luck. >> i appreciate it. come up, the reviews are in from last night's debut and
feature on the show king for a day. if you had absolute power king of a country what would it be. let your imagination run welcome to "red eye." i'm tom shillue. tv's andy levey is off tonight so let's check in with dave smith even though he didn't tuck in his shirt. dave? >> thanks, tom. coming up on the big show. lena done ham leaves a message for paul ryan. who can blame her? i drunk dial that dream boat every friday night. and president-elect trump said he will be very restrained on twitter. if by restrained he means limiting himself to 140 characters, i wholeheartedly agree. and finally a man catches his wife of 18 years cheating on him with the help of a drone. for her sake i hope it wasn't a predator drone.