people had breath-taking view of the the sunrise. tradition started in 1979. i love it. >> you know what else i love, right there. >> you haven't eaten those yet. chris: north korea defies the world with a missile test that explodes just after launch. as president trump shows a new willingness to project u.s. force. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> north korea is a problem, the problem will be taken care of. chris: we will report from pyongyang as they celebrate birthday of founder. vice president pence visits south korea amid growing tensions and thousands of isis fighters are being killed as the military unleash it is mother of all bombs in afghanistan. >> really another successful job. we are proud of our military. chris: we will discuss president trump's decisions as commander

in chief with deputy national security adviser k.t. mcfarland and as russia, iran and syria warn the u.s., we will break down the president's military and diplomatic options with the chair of the house armed services committee mac thornberry and we will ask the panel about reports and the president is siding with moderate advisers against steve bannon and the populists, all right now on fox news sunday. hello again, happy passover from fox news in washington. the u.s. and north korea are continuing their tense standoff this weekend with a kim regime showing off advanced long-range missiles and conducting a missile test that exploded on launch while president trump threatens to, quote, solve the problem. in a few minutes we will talk with k.t. mcfarland, second in command at the national security council about north korea and

other hot spots but we begin with team fox coverage. kristin fisher traveling with the president in west palm beach, but first greg live from pyongyang in north korea, greg. >> chris, celebrations marking the anniversary of the birth date of the founder of this country ended with a dud this weekend, sunday morning north korea time, a missile blew up at launching this according to u.s. and south korean authorities. now just a couple of hours prior to that, we watched dozens of missiles in pyongyang including a medium-range solid-fuel missile which could have been the type used in that launch on the east coast of the country. if successful, it would have threatened the u.s. ally japan as well as some 35,000 u.s. service members there. now there were some speculation that the missile was a victim of a u.s. cyber-attack. it has been done in the past,

but they're also failures. now, the regime of kim jong un has no comment regarding the launch or the failure, one official admitted to me a short while ago, however, these kinds of mistakes can happen. now a missile launch or a nuclear detonation was expected to mark that anniversary date but there was new speculation that this could have been timed ahead of the arrival in south korea today of vice president pence in south korea where launches are monitored and flight control center and four officials said that the launch and military parade were a threat to the whole world. the trump administration demanding that north korea give them up. official we have been speaking with here show no sign of pulling back. they brushed off the threat of more sanctions and they say they would fight off any preemptive military strike.

as for young north korean leader, kim jong un, he has been in office for just over five years, it looks like he is someone to be reckon with. chris. chris: greg palkot reporting live from pyongyang, greg, thanks for that. let's bring in kristin fisher with reaction from the white house. kristin. >> chris, the reaction from the white house has been very restrained, no tweets from the president, the first response came from defense secretary jim mattis, he put out a very short statement that reads, quote, the president and his military team are aware of north korea's unsuccessful missile launch. the president has no further comment. now, the vice president was in the air and on the way in south korea when the failed missile took place. he was briefed on board air force two and landed in seoul nine hours later where he told american and south korean troops that their courage and valuer -- valor are needed now more than ever. >> the provocation from the

north is just a latest reminder of the risks each one of you face every day in the defense of the freedom of the people of south korea and the defense of america in this part of the world. >> from south korea, the vice president will travel to japan, indonesia, australia to assure north korea's nervous neighbor that is the u.s. has their back, reinforce diplomatic promises, the pentagon is sending military muscle, right now a nuclear-powered strike group is steaming toward the korean peninsula, the president calls it an armada. it was a show of force just like the force that dropped the mother of all bombs in afghanistan and 50 tomahawk missiles at a syrian air base, the question now, is how does president trump handle a nuclear power led by a man that's even more unpredictable than he is? chris. chris: kristin, thank you. joining us from west palm beach,

national security adviser and a familiar figure to fox viewers k.t. mcfarland. welcome to fox news sunday. >> great to be back on fox news, chris, thank you. chris: what is the president's reaction to the failed missile launch and open defiance of president trump's warnings? >> look, it's not a surprise, even in the last year president -- kim of north korea has launched over 30 missiles, most of them have failed. it wasn't as a surprise to us. we were expecting something particularly surrounding the birth of his grandfather i. wasn't a surprise. i briefed president trump on it last night. we saw it for what it was. secretary mattis issued the statement. the president doesn't have any further comment on this particular launch attempt. chris: is he distressed or upset that they've ignored his warnings? >> no. no. and let me sort of preface this by saying, at the beginning of

the administration in january president trump asked national security council, asked me to chair a series of meetings, that's my job as the number two on the national security council. i go to all agencies and departments, defense department, state department, military and say what tr options here and that's what we did, with north korea we did a big-wide study and we directed the intelligence communities and others, come up with things that you haven't thought of before, think outside the box. they came back with some really interesting suggestions, sanctions, diplomatic things we could do, secondary sanctions we could do and obviously military options and we presented them to the president, he was pleased with it and that allowed him when he went to the -- when he went to mar-a-lago for the summit with the chinese president to talk about north korea and they spent a lot of time talking about north korea, the chinese president has a lot of influence over north korea, china provides some 85% of their

food, their transportation fuel, cooking fuel. they have a lot of economic influences as well as other influences and the two presidents talked about how china might help along with other efforts taken with allies. chris: i have to ask you another question first, did the u.s. sabotage this missile? >> now, chris, you know we can't talk about secret intelligence and things that might have been done, operations that might have happen so i don't have no comment nor should i pch -- chris: should the kim regime consider that a possibility? >> the cyber attacks that have occurred in the past from the kim regime when they hacked sony pictures. with any country, major country, we are entering a cyber platform. that's where a lot of the wars of the future are going to be fought. i don't have a particular

comment on what happened with the north korean missile, but it was fizzle. chris: president trump ratcheted it up. if china decides to help, that would be great, if not, we would solve the problem without them, usa. he said this. >> i don't know if he sends a message. it doesn't make any difference if it does or not. north korea is a problem and the problem will be taken care of. chris: despite the tough talk and sending a carrier strike force to the area as we are showing pictures right now, north korea showed up new long-range and conducted test launch, you're talking about the long discussion of options. what is -- does the president do now? >> well, i think in that parade there were a whole number of new missile that is were shown and some canisters, but there

canisters that could have go to the north korea and reach the united states. the threat is upon us. this is something president trump is going to deal with follow the first year but i would also say that as a result of the mar-a-lago summit, the two presidents were meant to have, you know, short conversations, short one-on-one conversations, what they ended up having were several hours of conversations. chris: well, let me talk to you about china because the president has indicated after that that he formed a good relationship with president xi and that he hopes that president xi will help with north korea. there was talk about the fact that china is turning back coal shipments from north korea and threatening to cut off oil supplies, north korea depends, 90% of oil comes from china. on the other hand, trade between the u.s. and north korea is up 37% so far this year over last year, so my question is, did

president trump get a specific commitment from president xi on north korea? >> well, i think -- you didn't mean trade between north korea or the united states? chris: between the two. >> yeah. between china and the united states. well, you know -- chris: trade between north korea and china is up 37%. >> okay. yes. it is. that's why china has the ledge it does have and that's why the two presidents talked about could china use that kind of leverage. the chinese president gave an indication that he would be willing to work with president trump and with other allies to try to see what could be done. we all understand that the korean peninsula should be denuclearized, everybody said it. the question is how do you do it. the chinese have always been concerned about instability in

the korean peninsula and what the president has been able to convey to the chinese president is north korea is no longer an asset. it's a liability to everybody and a threat not just to the united states, not just to south korea, not just to japan, not just to russia but actually a threat to china as well and at this point we have to wait and see. you know, it's like your kids in the back of the car when you're in a long trip, when are we going to get there, in this case, i think we should give the chinese president some opportunities and some time as well as pursuing the economic and diplomatic pressure that is we have and our allies have that we can bring to bear on north korea. chris: all right, i have a limited time. i will remind of your job and ask you to give me specific answers here. during the campaign, mr. trump talked about getting along with vladimir putin and cracking down on china but this week he flipped 180-degrees on both. here are a couple of clips.

>> right now we are not getting along with russia at all. we may be at an all-time low in terms of relationship with russia. i have really gotten to like and respect as you know president xi is a terrific person, we spent a lot of time together in florida and he's a very special man. chris: again, i need a quick answer, is that good for the president to shift so dramatically and so quickly on both china and russia? >> well, first of all, the president is now -- president trump has spent a lot of time with president xi, he has gotten to know him and understand what his priorities are and shared what our priorities are and he has not met with vladimir putin. the secretary has said, secretary tillerson that our relationship depends on russia, we would like to have a good relationship with russia but russia has been doing some things whether in syria, whether it's with american democracy that we really -- we take very seriously, so the ball is in their court. we love a great relationship

with them but it's up to them to take those first steps and to stop taking the steps that could potentially adversely affect us. chris: this week the u.s. dropped the largest none -- nonnuclear bomb in our arsenal, largest used in combat in afghanistan killing dozen of isis fighters. here was president trump's explanation. >> what i do is i authorize my military. we have the greatest military in the world and they've done a job as usual. we have given them total authorization and that's what they're doing and frankly that's why they've been so successful lately. chris: but k.t., while that apparently was a success, there's been tragic mistakes just this week, 18 syrian allies who are rebels who were allies of us were killed in a friendly fire incident by u.s. forces. the question some people are asking, is the white house exercising enough oversight?

>> well, first of all, what the president saw -- what we all saw when we came into office was that the previous administration had a lot of decision that is should have been made by the battlefield commanders, they were being made by the west-wing of the white house. that's not the right place. the west-wing of the white house doesn't know what the conditions are like or the threats they are facing. president trump has taken a number of steps to delegate that authority back where it belongs, back where it was in the reagan administration frankly, to the battlefield. what you're seeing now is exactly what's happened. sometimes mistakes are being made and we regret any loss of life and specially any of our allies, but on the other hand, it is the battlefield commander's decision to make and we do not have a president who is going to be sitting there picking out bombing targets. he left that to the military and so far with a few tragic exceptions, so far the military has been terrific. look at the syria attack on the -- on the airport that was used by the syrians to deliver those

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chris: a look outside the beltway at jerusalem as christians mark holey week in the old city. the trump administration's launch of two military strikes in less than two weeks is a sharp contrast to barack obama who employed a more cautious approach to the use of force and promised to end america's wars. joining me now here in washington the chair of the house armed services committee congressman mac thornberry. welcome to fox news sunday. >> thanks for having me. chris: what do you make of the events in north korea this week? first of all, that display, that impressive display of weapons, some of which we hadn't seen before and then the launch, yes, failed but still the launch of a ballistic missile despite president trump's warnings. >> well, i think the message was we are strong and we can hurt you. chris: the message from north korea. >> that's what they are trying

to send for us but also japan, south korea and maybe they are trying to send a message to china as well that they, north korea, are not as dependent on china as some of us think. i think we are in a different place with north korea. for years, the father and the grand father would talk tough, maybe launch a missile, but then negotiate for some increased aid of some sort. i think that this guy is not interested in negotiation, he wants to have an ballistic missile with nuclear war head to threaten us and i think he's determined to get it even failed launches tell them something and improve their program. chris: there are a couple of questions i want to ask, first of all, directly, how close is north korea to developing a nuclear weapon that could hit the u.s. homeland? >> well, we know they have nuclear weapons because they have conducted nuclear tests. the question is, how close are they to an intercontinental ballistic missile that can reach

our homeland and the short answer is we don't know, there are various estimates on how long it would take, but again, i have no doubt that they are driving toward that and every test, failure or success, helps them. chris: here is north korea's foreign minister firing back at president trump and his warnings. take a look. >> we are taking into account the most aggressive and dangerous options that the u.s. might come up with and we have also got our options, our countermeasure is ready in our hands which means we will go to war if they choose. chris: you talked about kim jong un, the new young leader although he's been there five years in north korea and he's termed to -- determined to get a nuclear weapon, do you think he's somewhat unstable, he might be willing to go to war with the u.s. to achieve that? >> i don't think he is suicidal, but he is certainly erratic and so the most important thing we

can do is increase our military presence specially our missile defense in that area because we cannot rely on his good judgment to prevent a war. we have to have the military capability there to deny him that ability. chris: i want to talk about president trump's posture on this because i have to say that there was a growing sense of tension, if they don't solve the problem, china, we will and sending the carrier strike force as we say, kim ignored all of that, had this big military parade, had a launch, yes, it failed but he still had the launch and from k.t. mcfarland what you got it was a process, it's going to take a while, let's wait and see with china. does the u.s. have a clear strategy and frankly what are our options and what we can actually do? >> yes, when it comes to north korea, we need to make sure that we are tied with our allies, that's a good reason why vice president pence is there.

we need to keep the pressure on china to rein north korea in and announcements of their restricting coal shipments, for example, is a big step forward. biggest export north korea has is coal to china, but the third and the most important thing is increase our military presence in the region and our military capability overall. remember, china does not want to have the new carrier battle group in their backyard. they are not excited about the missile defense deployments in japan and korea, the answer to china is to get ahold of this guy in north korea and that will reduce the necessity of us increasing military presence. chris: chairman, let's talk realistic about the military threat. if we were to launch a preemptive strike and there's been loose talk on the u.s. about that to take out north korea's missile program or nuclear program, they have thousands, i don't have to tell you of short-range missiles that are on the border, i've been in

that area, dmz and 30-drive mile to seoul, 20 million people, not to mention the 24,000 u.s. troops. if we were to hit them, they would hit back in seoul and it would be a human catastrophe. >> yeah. number one i think it is important. the president said, you don't take options off the table. many mistakes during the obama years was to talk about what you would never do and that just assists your enemy in their calculations, but i also think that if we can continue to encourage china to put pressure, increase our missile -- our military presence in that region, what you may will see is some changes inside north korea without a -- a conflict. now, we can't know for sure. what we do have to know, though, is we have to have the military capability strong enough to prevail if he does something erratic and unexpected.

chris: let me ask you a different part of the equation, how effective is u.s. missile defense both to protect our allies in the region and to protect the u.s. homeland? >> we can knock down missiles, but we need to step on the accelerator to do more for missile defense. it is -- it is remarkable going back to president reagan speech in 1983 there has been political opposition in this country to doing more on missile defense and we've been scraping for more money, both to deploy more of the systems we have and to put research into new systems. we have been fighting that fight during the obama years. this is the time to step up on the gas because it's not just north korea, it's also the iranians as well as others who are pushing for missiles, we need to be able to knock those down. chris: i want to take a bigger 30,000-foot look at this, president trump has authorized the use of force several times in the last two weeks. he ordered the cruise missile

strikes, 59 cruise sis -- missiles in syria, sending a carrier strike force to north korea, question, what message do you think he's send to go allies -- sending to allies and enemies? >> let's step back to context, the obama years saw decrease, not following it up, and cuts to the defense budget of more than 20% since 2010. and during that time, we saw invasion of crimea, the chinese building islands in the south china sea, et cetera, president trump is taking a different approach, thank goodness. he is sending a message that now the united states is going to stand up for our interests and make sure we have the military capability to prevail if we choose to use force. it's a different message than has been given before. chris: here is my question, is

there a strategy behind the use of force? do you know as the chairman of the house armed services committee what our strategy is in syria, in afghanistan, in north korea? >> well, i don't think anybody can set -- sit back and say, okay, i know these events will happen over the next year, two or five but i do think that you are seeing a different approach to the world and it is one where -- that says not only to adversaries but to friends who have had questions about us that we are willing to put the resources into defending ourselves and making the judgments from time to time when it's necessary to use those military resources. that's different than the message that was sent out during the obama years. chris: finally, specially with this increase willingness to use force, does president trump need to go back to congress to get authorization for the use of military authorize and all of the arenas that are far beyond the authorization back in 2001

after 9/11? >> administrations of both parties have used limited force to advance national interest whether it was president reagan bombing gaddafi in '86 or clinton trying to get bin laden in the desert. i believe that we should, however, update the authorization to use military force against the terrorist networks and -- and have been working to try to do that, so if it's sustained, if it involves u.s. boots on the ground and lives, then, it needs to come to congress. if it's limitary military action, then not so much. chris: chairman thornberry, thank you for coming in on this holiday weekend. >> happy easter and happy passover. chris: thank you, same to you, sir. next a group to discuss the rising tension between the u.s. and north korea. plus, what would you like to ask the panel about how the president should handle

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>> if you've looked at what's happened over the last eight years -- weeks, compared to what's happened in eight years, you will see the tremendous difference. chris: president trump highlighting on what he believes are better results and it's time now for our sunday group, michael needham, heritage action for america. bob woodward from the washington post. fox news national security correspondent jennifer griffin and former national security council staffer gilian turner. jennifer, let me start with you, what do your sources say over the last 24 hours about this impressive display of military hardware by the military regime and in defiance of president trump? >> i think what's notable, chris, is when i walked out of the bent gone on friday

afternoon it was a pretty relaxed atmosphere over at the pentagon. you didn't see the president travel down the mar-a-lago with his work cabinet, if you will. he did not have his defense secretary with him, he did not have h.r. mcmaster. they know that north korea has not tested an icbm that could reach the u.s., so they had different scenarios, the bottom line is, i think if you look at general mattis' statement, 22 words in length. very short, to the point. the president would have no more comment and what they're pointing out is that that was a medium-ranged missile. it failed, it fizzled and in terms of the parade, we are not really sure what we saw in the parade. i remember when i was a moscow correspondent that we learned decades after we saw the parades in moscow that many of the

missile that is we believed during the cold war were, in fa chris: gillian, we have a question from a viewer about how president trump should handle kim, let's put it up on the screen, i believe he, mr. trump, needs to come across very strong, that we will not play games with north korea, how do you answer and i have to say, i'm feeling a little win-saw because it seemed that the administration was building up, what's going to happen this weekend, and president trump saying, if they don't solve it, we will. now this is just part of the game. >> i think that secretary mattis' statement as frustrating to us as eager viewers of the administration at this point is actually right on the money in terms of tone and tenure. the the bigger contest here despite the fact that the tension with north korea has

reached this rhetorical and optic apex over the weekend is that this covert -- i hesitate to call it a covert war but sort of a covert war between the united states and north korea has been simmering for the past three years. we maybe only heard snippeds of it during second term of president obama but it's been there all along and i think that -- i can't speak for the trump administration, obviously, but image that they're trying to -- well not normalize this type of behavior from the north korean, make people understand that every time they test a missile now it doesn't pose existential crisis for the united states. that's kind of the steady hand we have been expecting from the president and i think we should welcome it. chris: candidate trump a year ago and at that time he said to you, real power is fear. do you think that unleashing the military the way he has in the

last couple of weeks and making a point of saying, we are not micro managing the pentagon the way obama did and i will say top pentagon officials complained about that micro managing by the obama team. do you think that sends the right message to both allies and enemies? >> it's a very different message and as you may recall president obama, first inaugural he said, american strength comes from our human -- humility and restrain and you're smiling because that's not the way the world is -- chris: not the word for this administration. >> it is not. i think trump means that when he did a year ago say that real power is fear. in north korea, the reality is none of the options are very good. president trump talks repeatedly, he wants to win, he likes to win.

the military likes to win, the military options in north korea as you suggested, you have some sort of preemptive strike engagement, seoul, korea gets devastated. there's no win and so what you need to do is be tough, try to deter and see if you can work something out, but we get into a military engagement in north korea and it's going to be hell. chris: there was a striking flip on russia this week in addition, there's a lot of stuff going on every week in this administration. after talking for months about getting along or trying to get along with the putin regime and the kremlin, a dramatic change in tone from the president this week and russian foreign minister sergey fired back.

>> the fixation on this or that, authoritarian or totalitarian leader is well known to us and we know how it goes. chris: michael, what do you make of this dramatic shift this week away from putin and towards chinese president xi? >> i thought the most interesting contrast was with servey and they are building a clear view of what the russians are, strategic adversary to the united states, vladimir putin, former kgb thug who is trying to relive glory days. it is a very much zero-sum relationship. that's different from china. there are opportunities from china to us to form a strategic partnership. we shouldn't mistake that without also recognizing that china is a competitor.

as we look as china we look at things they can do with north korea, we don't have to be enemies with china but we also can't be friends as long as they continue to steal our intellectual property and take advantage of trade agreements and express aggression themselves at the china sea. chris: that's 180-degree turn from what the president was saying two weeks about china and russia. >> it is, 180-degrees and from my perspective it's a welcome turn. there's flip-flopping and flip-flopping, what we are seeing here an evolution. we are watching the president navigate the russian relationship in real-time and i think he's learning very quickly on this very steep learning curve that dealing with vladimir putin as a potential sort of businessman is very different than dealing with him as a foreign head of state. that's what we are seeing. chris: when we come back the game of thrones inside the west-wing continues and thousands of people march across

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chris: the president promised to drain the swamp but aren't the six of you part of what's been called the wall street washington revolving door? >> look, chris, i came to washington to make america great again and help the president with his vision and his mission and that's what i'm doing. chris: white house chief economic adviser gary cohn, one of the leaders of the establishment wing that's said to be winning the battle inside the white house for president trump's ear. let's look at president trump's policy changes at least some of them just this week after promising to label china a

currency manipulator, he now says they are not. nato, which was obsolete no longer is and the president also changed his mind on whether to close the export-import bank. michael, is the president breaking faith with his pop swlais base? >> i don't think that was a persuasive list of changes that shows that he's flipping. even this morning he twitted out that on the currency manipulation is part of the ongoing negotiation. the only one that concerns me is the export-import thing. the export-import -- chris: speaking more broadly, when you see the ascendancy from democrat establishments are they are called, does that concern you? >> no, it doesn't because i don't know who is up and who is doing. i have no doubt that donald trump is the person who is

making the calls on this and as a conservative i'm looking at judge gorsuch, justice gorsuch now and a white house that has been the more responsible that played a productive role and other than a couple of the export-import things, supporters have things to be optimistic. chris: the leader of the populist charge is chief strategists steve bannon, here he was a couple of weeks when he was riding high. >> the third broadly line of work is destruction of the administrative state, that's all going to be deconstructed. chris: now, if you believe the reports, washington post, he's down conceivably out. >> you can believe that. that's true. but there's ascendency and so

and so is winning and two weeks later they are fired. the question here is who is trump and trump is a pragmatist just like those policy changes. we knew for a long time he was going to have a two-track strategy on russia, reach out to putin but also be tough on a number of things in terms of his staff as best i can tell, it's a menu for him. i will take this one, i will take that one and i'm not going to have dessert, i'm not going to have bannon, i'm not going to have -- so it's -- i would not reach any sweeping conclusions. the real question is as an executive is this going to work for him because you will get stories like in my newspaper which is quite well done that there's a battle going on and the discussions should be about the policy, not the personalities.

chris: but i don't have to tell you, personnel is policy. >> it is. trump is clearly -- even though we know from the campaign, three campaign managers, he's ruthless, you come and you go and the people who were wise about him realize that they may be here now but maybe not tomorrow. chris: there was another change this week by this president, not a change in his policy but from the previous presidents, he now says that this white house is no longer going to routinely release visitor logs, who they're meeting with as president obama did. another interesting development this weekend that were massive marchs across the country, people protesting, these were call tax marchs, people demanding that president trump release tax returns as presidents have routinely since jimmy carter and that was the subject of a tweet this morning from president trump, let's put

it up on the screen. president apparently not liking those marchs. he said, i did what was an almost impossible thing to do for a republican, easily won the electoral college and now tax returns are brought up again, gillian, this president thinks that transparency is overrated. >> that's the message i'm getting loud and clear but on both fronts here with the visitor logs and tax returns, if i were advising him, i would say, mr. president, bad news never gets better with age. all of this information will eventually be known. the white house visitor logs will be subject to foia requests, we will see who came in and out of the white house regardless of whether they were national security implications, that will be known, image, i can't predict the future but image that at some point we will get full tax returns from the president from the last few years. we already had snippeds of that. i think that the administration

really needs to buckle down on messaging here when it comes to what are you going to tell the american people when you're out of office and all of this information becomes known. how are you going to deal with that then. chris: but the counterargument, jennifer, yes, people care about this and a poll by margin 2 to 1 say they want to see the president release tax returns, on the other hand, lord knows this was a big issue during the campaign and he's president trump. >> i think you have to see it through the light of what president trump wants to do next, he's going to need democrats to do that and already we've heard from senator schumer that they're -- democrats are going to make an issue about tax returns, if he wants to do tax reform, they are going to see returns. when msnbc received tax returns from 2005, it did show he paid $38 million that year in federal income taxes. it was higher than what bernie sanders paid that year, so it's

hard to understand what he is hiding and why he is not showing these tax returns. >> the american people don't care as you said at the end about tax returns, that's why he won. what he does is sets up fights where the media goes crazy over something that the american -- chris: wait a minute, that wasn't the media, that was tens of thousands of your fellow americans taking to the street. that was not something that the media -- >> very well organized by liberal groups and there was money behind it. chris: that was democracy when the tea party did it? >> sure. what's going on in north korea, are going to have a lunatic, when they look at -- chris: i'm not saying it's the biggest issue in the world. >> may make themselves as victim, look, i agree, if i were running the white house i would release visitor logs. if you're having untoward meeting you will do it off site anyway. they create a dynamic that what the media is going crazy about

is not what the american people care about, they care about policy issues. chris: all right, we end it there. >> the power of no. trump has just said no and unless you can get somebody to give them to you, he wins. [laughter] chris: thank you panel, see you next sunday. the power player to have week, the people's diva gives me a singing lesson. >> are you center? chris: i don't know what i am. i used to sing in the bathroom

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♪ ♪ ♪ chris: pope francis celebrating easter mass this weekend. we want to give you a treat. here is our power player of the week. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i haven't really been able to transfer into that extraordinary worldly creature other than i hope on stage. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> renee fleming has been called the people's diva, it's a title she loves. yes, she's america's leading op

opera star. she prides herself on being down to earth. chris: are you at all a diva, are you difficult? >> am i a diva, a lot of bad behavior in singers is caused by nerves but any philosophy is that the people around us are there doing as much work, if not more work behind the scenes and they are the last people you would ever be unkind to. i hope i'm not a diva off stage. ♪ ♪ ♪ chris: she's made a point of going beyond opera singing rock and becoming the first classical artist to sing the national anthem at the super bowl. >> in those two minutes which have to be perfect or it will follow you for the rest of your career, i can't say i've had another experience quite like it but it was thrilling. chris: whatever the venue,

flemming is also known as the beautiful voice. ♪ ♪ ♪ chris: how is it that you're able to create this remarkable sound? >> my voice is horrendous. chris: no. >> weak but when i sing, the sound is a totally different range, color, all of it. it's all about the breath. you take in a breath and you make a sound so, for instance, if you say, hello, renne, try that. chris: hello, renee. >> i would teach how to enhance that. chris: hello,renee. >> are you a tenure? >> i'm not sure what i am. [laughter] chris: fleming now 58 said she

will retire from opera next year and just do recitals. >> 18 to 23, so, you know, we can suspend this belief to a point and then you sort of think, okay, that's enough of that. ♪ ♪ ♪ chris: don't worry, the people's diva will continue to share her remarkable talent. >> it's just something incredibly moving that the human being, a human being can make this sound and great music has been cultivated around it so i feel privileged to be doing this. ♪ ♪ ♪ chris: what a treat. fleming made headlines last week when the new york city reported she's retiring from full opera next month but fleming clarified

she's not ready to leave the stage just yet. that's it for today, have a great easter and a great week, we will see you next week on fox news sunday did you see? it was a breech birth, the hooves came out first. >> that's amazing. >> i never want to have to go through that. >> will be back at 4:00 p.m. >> right now we are not getting along with russia at all. we may be at an all-time low in terms of relationship with russia. this was built for a long period of time. we will see what happens. >> welcome to the journal editorial report. i am paul, this was president trump on wednesday during a news conference alongside nato secretary-general. the administration reversing course on its demonstration with russia. rex tillerson met with his counterpart in moscow. that was following u.s.