>> neil: air force one, the president hasn't left washington yet en route to new york city. >> eric: i am eric bolling with kat timpf and eboni k. williams. 5:00 will never be the same. we are "the fox news specialists" ." we are. today's specialist, he may be from australia but he's also started the foundation for liberty and american greatness and he is a best-selling author but he specializes in everything texas. nick adams. and she's a former congressional candidate in virginia, senior fellow at the new leaders council and the author of the book "reversing the apocalypse." she specializes in blue crab picking. krystal ball is here. blue crab picking, not catching.

>> you pick them anything. >> eric: nick adams, how did you become mr. texas? honorary texan. >> i love chicken fried steak, jacked up pickup trucks, belt buckles. >> eboni: he sound qualified. >> kat: i live for this. >> eric: were going to do this right now. specialist, developing story of the nation's capital. the house passing the republican health care beer bill by a razn margin. it may have saved paul ryan's speakership. the fight continues towards the senate. center g.o.p. margin there than in the house. president trump and house republicans through maca victory celebration a short time ago

where the only thing missing was champagne and maybe a little confetti. >> this is a repeal and replace of obamacare. make no mistake about it. we have a something very, very incredibly well-crafted. we want to brag about the plan. obamacare took 17 months. hillary clinton tried so hard valiantly, and all fairness, to get health care through three didn't happen. we have been doing this for eight weeks, if you think about it. this is a real plan. this is a great plan. we have no support from the other party. >> eric: speaker ryan enjoyed the win. >> this would not have been possible if it were not for these two gentlemen. i want to thank them for their personal involvement in getting this right in getting this to where we are. today was a big day but it's one step in the process, an

important step. we've got a lot of work to do. one thing is now clear. republicans are committed to keeping our promise to lift the burden of obamacare from the american people and put in place a better, more patient-centered system. >> eric: house minority leader nancy pelosi is singing a different tune. >> any moderate and the crowd voted for this bill turned radical today. i think they walked the plank. they were duped into walking the plank. it will not become law. >> eric: sorry, obamacare is dying. american health care is rising and president trump gets a big, beautiful, huge win. i was very encouraged to see the g.o.p. put their differences aside and passed massive legislation. krystal ball, democrats must be shaking. the trump administration, it's a big win. >> yeah, he really came through and fulfilled his campaign promise to kick 24 million

americans off health care. this is not at all with this president campaign on and i have to say i think a lot of democrats are kind of excited today because republicans have basically committed political suicide. the passage, democrats retaking the house, no one in the debate is making the argument that kat has been making that it should be a free market solution and if you can afford it, you can buy in. no one is making that argument. the debate is how do we best cover every american? we have essentially accepted that health care is a right and not a privilege and ultimately i think where that leads -- >> eric: that's a big statement. >> kat: this plan is pretty similar. the way it's happened is even faster than obamacare. remember when paul ryan was saying we should never vote on something like this without cbo analyzing this. paul ryan is going to be very

mad at paul ryan when paul ryan finds out. >> too much of a government focused. it's not a free-market plan. >> eric: let's talk the politics, nick adams. donald trump, contrary to what krystal ball said, he didn't promise to have fewer americans covered. he promised to repeal and replace obamacare, and he's well on that way. >> called donald trump lazarus because people were saying this health care bill was dead, buried, and cremated. donald trump, the president, has pulled out a great victory. is it a touchdown? no, but it's a first down. the ball is being advanced. for seven years, republicans were bobbing in the slipstream of the democratic party and now there is some action. i think it's a great day and i think it's a big wish and celebrate. obamacare was terrible, is terrible, and i think this is great progress. >> eric: eboni, this is one sixth of the american economy,

it's a big legislative deal. we spend around 70% of american income, gdp, on health care. other countries don't come anywhere near that. the world is somewhere around 9.5, 10%. the e.u. is about 10% as well. >> eboni: it's huge and it's a very, very big, important deal. i believe in giving credit where credit is due. for donald trump in the g.o.p., today in the words of ice cube, it's a good day. i think krystal makes a good point about the long-term, short time. this is politically it win. he gets to deliver on the campaign promise. long-term, i think there are going to be real questions. i'm not going to pretend to understand everything this bill does. >> they don't even understand i it. >> eboni: rand paul was articulating this earlier. i think until i see more, until america sees more and until the senate gets their hands on it, i

certainly can't make a conclusion about the quality of the bill. >> eric: kat, you are right. there are 52 senate republicans. they need 50. rand paul has said i need to see more. >> kat: paul ryan said he needed to see more. you think they would understand the argument. when it makes up such a huge portion of the economy, you want to know what you are doing before you do it. we have a situation where health care is very expensive in this country, the two residents why it's extensive it's because prices get jacked up and get the government involved and big insurance companies involved. there's a difference between capitalism and crony capitalism. >> think about this period we have the most robust private insurance market in the world, and we have the most extensive health care at some of the worst outcomes in the developed world. where we need to go is where the rest of the developed world has already gone and where i

guarantee whoever democrats nominate and 2820 are going to go. >> eric: said we have some of the worst outcomes? we have people coming from around the world for our health care system. >> we have a demographic whose life expectancy is going down. >> eric: not because of the health care system. >> what are you going to blame it on? you have -- i agree with you -- >> eric: it almost looks just like obamacare. >> if it looks like obamacare, why do you love it? >> eric: now it's trumpcare, so it's awful? >> know the last of the cbo scored had 24 million fewer people getting health insurance through this bill. that's why we hated. hold on.

this bill makes it worse. this only makes sense as a tax cut for the rich, which is what it is, at the expense of the working poor. >> eric: you don't know that for you can't say paul ryan shouldn't have voted on it or push on until escorted then go ahead score it. >> this one is even worse than what the cbo score -- >> kat: you said it's almost like obamacare as if that's a good thing. that is the most depressing thing. >> eric: i am talking about democrats saying obamacare was amazing, wonderful. paul ryan puts together a bill that looks a lot like obamacare but fixes some things. i >> like kicking 30 million people off health care? >> eric: pre-existing conditions and reducing premiums. hold on. [all speaking] >> eboni: let me say this, krystal. there are those of us who do not like obamacare, will which i've been clear and consistent on,

did not vote for donald trump but was rooting and expecting and hoping for something better because i was one of those people who paid the penalty. >> eric: you realize the senate will get their hands on it and put things in the bill. >> eboni: i'm waiting. >> there's a long way to go. the senate is going to be vigorous in its assessment of it. let me take you up on one thing, krystal. i spent 32 years in a country with socialized medicine. it's not the future you want for the united states of america. for sure. >> better outcomes, lower costs. that's what it looks like in australia and other countries with single pair health care and that's where we are going. people have expected the debates that health care is a right, not a privilege. the only way you ensure coverage -- >> eric: there is not a conservative in this country who has accepted this premise. >> why did we spend so much time

debating about people getting access who have pre-existing conditions? >> eboni: the political consequences are very high. someone coming out and saying the reality of more coverage for more people and bringing down health care premiums is virtually impossible under the current economic model. nobody wants single-payer. >> kat: there is no incentive to provide better care. great idea. >> eric: the reason why you are saying health care is a right is because they called the mandate constitutional. that's the only reason why you could say that. once you remove the mandate, which this new legislation does, it no longer becomes a right or mandate. >> i am talking about the philosophy of the country. the country has rejected this bill. it had 20% support in the previous iteration. the country voted for donald trump in part because he said i'm going to provide you with health care coverage and i'm going to bring down premiums. people do not think that

health care should be a privilege for the wealthy. this bill is a step in that direction. wait and see for your going to wait and see. were you happy when nancy pelosi said we have to pass the bill before we know what's in it? you've got to know what's in the bill. i did run for congress. >> eric: do you think they would put together a bill that would go to the senate and president trump would sign a bill that would make it worse for average middle-class americans? do you think it would make it through? of course it would not. >> they would get destroyed in 2018. to be honest, i don't see this president has dug into the details of the bill. i think he did want to provide something better house let him down. maybe he doesn't want to do the homework to know what's in the bill. every analysis finds that millions and millions of people will lose their health care coverage. premiums will go up. if you have pre-existing

conditions, you are in big trouble. lifetime caps, that peace is coming back. >> eric: obamacare was failing upon itself. health insurers were pulling out of, completely pulling out of states. >> do you know why? >> eric: if you stayed on obamacare, people would have no coverage and no options. >> so let's fix obamacare. >> eric: let's fix this one. how about we give the guy a chance? >> she has a crystal ball, but i think she is jumping the gun. >> eric: susan rice refusing to testify in front of the senate. the president had a few choice tweets this morning for a leader, president trump signing a groundbreaking executive order to defund, sorry defend religious liberty. make sure to follow us on social media. @specialistsfnc on twitter and facebook.

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>> eboni: susan rice is back in the headlines for not wanting to testify for allegations surrounding her unmasking of members of the trump team. she was president obama's top security advisor. this got potus pretty heated, tweeting "susan rice, the former national security advisor to president obama, is refusing to testify before a senate subcommittee next week on allegations of unmasking trump transition officials. not good!" meanwhile, even those in her own party, like dianne feinstein, is urging rice to reverse course. >> i think she ought to consider it. she has gone public. i saw her on sunday. i saw her today. it seems to me, i've never heard it has to be a bipartisan letter. this is sort of a new criteria, but she is certainly within her rights of saying i am now retired. i'm not going to do it. >> eboni: obviously yes, she's in her right to refuse it, to effectively plead the fifth. but what about what the senator is saying here? did susan rice open the door, as

we would say in the law, by being so public about it and going on the sunday shows? therefore this backing away from it in the senate format looks unsavory? >> to put it mildly, i think susan rice has got a very casual relationship with the truth. >> eboni: what do you mean? >> we have seen it over and over and over again. i think this smells. i think it can be seen as an admission of guilt for her to take this position. absolutely. the fact that she is getting fire from one of her own i think says a lot. >> eboni: coming to you, krystal. to that point, we will get to senator feinstein about what is in it for susan rice to testify? what would be the upside? people already think she has a casual relationship with the truth, as nick points out. one benefit with there be to go in front of the committee? >> i get republicans hate susan

rice. they don't like her. they think she is a liar, as nick said. with these unfounded and baseless allegations against susan rice are totally irrelevant to what the investigation is supposed to be about, which is the trump campaign potentially colluding with russia to essentially commit an act of war against our own country. >> eric: they are not that unfounded paired we know susan rice lied about saying that the reason for the benghazi attack was a video. she was told it wasn't. it's not irrelevant. she is a proven liar. we know that. and then she went ahead and unmasked trump officials. >> no, no, no, no. >> kat: let me say this. okay, the standard for unmasking the information is it has to provide some foreign intelligence value.

very, very, very vague qualification. which is exactly why cookie libertarians like myself are always talking about governments surveillance being too intrusiv. i'm confused why so many people are such big fans of big intrusions into privacy that are on the same side of the people saying she did something wrong. obviously what she did was politically motivated. i think that's obvious but she can get away with it most likely on a constitutional basis based on that broad standard. >> eric: you and i have similar opinions on the nsa and privacy. i think this goes right to that, where susan rice, contrary to the cia, fbi, nsa who said we don't need to unmask the names. she said let's unmask it. as you point out, it was all politics. she should've kept the name masked. it was not supposed to be unmasked. if you have nothing to hide.

>> kat: we are so surveillance-happy. >> eboni: james comey yesterday confirmed what many suspected, that it was classified information. forwarded from huma abedin to her husband, anthony weiner. when asked if it should be considered a crime, richard blumenthal said this. >> if there was classified information and it was improperly passed to a person unauthorized to receive it, yes, it's a crime without knowing what the intentions were. there is potentially a prosecutable crime. >> should it have been prosecuted? >> it still may be. it is not outside the statute of limitations. the department of justice is going to have to decide, and the question is, who will decide it? we need a special prosecutor to investigate this. >> eboni: i'm going to come to you. i had the privilege of filling

in for the thanksgiving special for "the five." has she become the scapegoat of the democratic party? >> eric: when you have richard blumenthal recommending a special prosecutor. the only reason why we know she investigated the information is that anthony weiner was being investigated. they have his computer. oh, we have hillary clinton's classified information. hello. let's go. let's find out what he knows. or when she did. >> eboni: coming from her own party, krystal, how much more does it bolster the suspicion? >> do people want to go back and relitigate the hillary emails? fine, if people do. if there is some wrongdoing, that i have no problem with people looking into it. the fact that it's the democrats saying, but it also shows democrats are not just reflexively partisan.

they are not reflexively say no because of its one of ours, we shouldn't go after it. if there was wrongdoing, let's look into it. >> eboni: i'm a little suspicious. is that really how we should read it? or is this because it's huma abedin and anthony weiner and everyone is so sick to death of them. >> i think it really is these couple examples we are looking at right now. i don't think you can say -- >> i certainly would throw anthony weiner under the bus. >> kat: seems to do a pretty good job of that himself. >> eric: you have to prosecute bad behavior. this is bad behavior. when huma abedin, trusted assistant, pushes classified material to someone who doesn't have the clearance, you can't say it's okay this time. don't do it again. >> kat: i think people feel

bad for her because she's married to the most embarrassing man in the universe. that can only take it so far. there comes a point where you say if we are talking about national security, we should be on the side of, let's take a look. >> eboni: is not just that she married the most embarrassing man. that was a choice. we have to be very countable for the people we connect ourselves to, especially our spouses. >> i think she has suffered plenty for her choice. >> eboni: stephen colbert refusing to apologize about his off-color joke but will the social media frenzy blow up more than it already has? stay with us. i am totally blind. i lost my sight in afghanistan.

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♪ >> kat: colbert is not backing down amid the outcry to be fired. the late show host address the uproar around the controversial joke you made earlier this week about president trump. >> >> in my still the host? i am still the host. if you saw my monologue on monday, you know i was a little bit upset with donald trump for insulting a friend of mine, so with the end of the monologue, i had a few choice insults for the president in return. i don't regret that. i believe he can take care of himself. i have jokes. he has the launch codes, so fair fight. while i would do it again,

would change a few words that were cruder than they needed to be. >> kat: is his nonapology apology only adding fuel to the fire? i don't know about you. i'm a big fan of the nonapology apology in my own life because if you apologize for something and you don't mean it, you say you regret it when you don't, that diminishes the value of the apology. >> eric: here's where i stand. i don't think he needs to be fired. he needs a sincere apology. that wasn't it. he needs to apologize to donald trump, the president. donald trump's president. you don't make those lewd and crude jokes. also he owes the lgbt community and apology as well. they were very offended by it. >> i'm so glad he did not apologize. liberals always apologize. we apologize for everything. anytime we hurt anyone's feelings, we apologize all the time.

he's right. the language shouldn't have to be so crude, although you said you didn't think it was funny. i did laugh. maybe my sense of humor is in the gutter. i'm grateful that someone said it was a joke. let's move on. >> kat: if he apologize, i would have made him apologize for apologizing. >> eboni: the only thing he should apologize for was for how bad the joke was. idol think he should never really apologize because i don't think is really sorry. he's not all sorry. he meets and stands by. i respect them for being honest. >> eric: what he said about president trump? that his mouth is only good for one thing. >> eboni: maybe not literally. >> eric: come on. he should be held to a higher standard. >> i'm here to tell you stephen colbert is a third rate mediocrity struggling for significance.

if brains were dynamite he would not have enough to blow his ears off. he has proceeded to alienate more than half of the country to which he broadcasts. it was disgraceful, crude, outrageous. >> aren't you the anti-pc guy? your whole thing is not being pc. eric, how many times have you talked about -- >> eric: i don't think he should be fired. if the shoe were on the other foot and a conservative insult of the lgbt community. >> he did not insult the lgbt community. to say he was being homophobic with that joke is a stretch. >> i think you have what it takes to tear the hind legs off an entire herd of antelope but i'm here to tell you you are 100% wrong because this was totally out of line. this was wrong. i'm not calling for him to lose his job. i don't mcgee should lose his job but for you to sit here and

tell us that it's perfectly okay. >> i'm hearing from conservatives all the time that we are so easily offended that we need to learn how to take a joke and then i see you guys -- >> what reality do you live in? i've never heard a liberal apologize for anything? >> are you kidding me? all the time for everything. >> eric: you offended some groups. >> the language was too crude, sure. comedians push it all the time. >> he had his knickers in in a notch because donald trump upset his friend. >> kat: i don't think he thought this was going to alter the course of the universe the way it did and i didn't think so either. president trump signed a landmark executive order to defend religious liberty. how far will go to protect americans? don't go away. baa baa black sheep,

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>> eric: welcome back to "the fox news specialists." our specialists today are nick adams and krystal ball, author of the new book "reversing the apocalypse." let's continue. president trump keeping a campaign promise, signing and milestone executive order over religious freedom, liberty earlier today. >> for too long, the federal government has used the power of the state as a weapon against people of faith. bullying and even punishing americans for following their religious beliefs. with this executive order, we are ending the attacks on your religious liberty and we are probably reaffirming america's leadership role as a nation that protects religious freedom for everyone. >> eric: nick adams, the

president is probably out of breath a little bit, all of those victory laps. >> it's so refreshing to have a president that cares about christians. we have a president that's not coming out there and saying christians should get off their high horse. we don't have a president that's got more sympathy for islam and christianity. i think it's a fantastic thing that we have a president in the white house that's committed to protecting christians not only in america but around the world, and i think it's terrific that were going to get more freedom as a result. >> eric: eboni, one of the things about this bill is that religious groups can now not only campaign but they can say what they liked without risking better tax-exempt status, and that's important. >> eboni: it is, and i like it. i like more freedoms. historically it's been frowned upon. as a christian and member of the

black community, historically it's been important to us to be able to have the freedom to incorporate the sometimes inevitable intersection of faith, our faith and belief system and political engagement and involvement. so i'm pleased. >> kat: let me interject. actually this executive order, you can't overturn a mandate or regulation or statute. this actually doesn't really do much of anything because the man on -- ban on churches being involved with the political. i agree with the ideas. i think if he wanted to repeal those things, that would be great but you can't do something like this within executive order. >> i'm a little bit confused by what nick said paired we realize this isn't a christian freedom bill or executive order. it's about all religions.

muslims also will benefit from the changes in this executive order. i'm not upset about this because it doesn't really do anything. the johnson amendment you are talking about is already not enforced. pastors and other faith leaders already go to the pulpit and walked right up to and frequently over the line in terms of politics. >> eboni: can i give an anecdote? i had a friend campaigning for mayor in cincinnati. we went to three churches, and you could see the resistance of the pastors who wanted to be able to speak out publicly about what they thought was in the best interest of their congregation but they did feel like their hands were tied. >> eric: do you know why? because they were risking their tax-exempt status. >> it doesn't actually technically change that. the johnson amendment is still there. he is saying don't enforce it.

the irs is already not enforcing it. i want to point out that a lot of religious leaders who aren't comfortable with the mixing of church and state and they think that separation is not only good for the state but also good for religion because, to pick up something nick said, when you advocate for causes, it's a divisive thing and it will turn off some believers and some people in your community. this is a tough one but i'm not too upset about it because it doesn't actually do anything. >> eboni: on my personal experience, sometimes they are intrinsically linked. you cannot run away from the crossover. in those instances, there should be some latitude. >> the handcuffs are off. i think that's a great thing. i think it's really important what president trump signed today. i think it's going to have a big impact. i think it's going to make people feel. >> kat: nobody is going to be able to not obey the contraceptive mandate based on

this executive order. >> sometimes it's not just about policy effects. sometimes it's about the effect on the culture of the psyche. i think it's really, really a great thing that suddenly people feel comfortable, particularly christians because christians are the most persecuted here in the united states. >> eric: let's leave it right there. >> pick that one up another day. >> eric: elizabeth warren suggested trump presidency could mark the end of male presidents in the white house appeared what is even happening? next. follow us on twitter and facebook @specialistsfnc.

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>> kat: leave it to elizabeth warren to have you asking what's even happening? the hard left icon who so accurately predicted a trump presidency could not happen is making another bold prediction. stick with way things are going, the next three years and 261 days are like the first 100 days, i wonder if america will ever be ready for email

president again. >> kat: president trump will be so horrible for america the country will never, ever elect another male present again. i wonder who that would say 202. i don't know. did they not wear that may be running a campaign on identity politics does not work? >> i hope they will learn it. i don't know if they did. i think with elizabeth warren, let's keep in mind the context. that was a joke, it was an applause line at an all women's conference of emily's list which is about getting more women in politics but let's not pretend elizabeth warren is saying i hate men. no men aren't ever going to be elected again. >> kat: of course not but it does present the same attitude. that it's going to be a gender focused election again.

they are still thinking about elections in terms of a gender focus when that kind of didn't go great last time. >> eboni: i think both of you are staying semithat's true. i think absolutely the democrats have to get an economic message first and foremost. if and when they do, will see the results. you're right it's an applause line we do need more women and more republican and democrat and independent and during -- entering the political landscap landscape. >> eric: she didn't say more. she said only. hold on. think of it this way. she's going to run for president, right? this is going to come back to haunt her in 2020. i agree with you. this was aligned to sell books. that's all it was. tv has a funny way of reminding you what you said. >> you may not like elizabeth

warren. that's fine, but i don't think anyone would argue this is not a mission driven person who talks a lot about economics. in terms of the democratic party, i'm the first to criticize the party. i wrote a whole book about it. that's what she spends 99% of her time on but you've got to say what you're going to be voting against. it's fine to criticize trump. you have to offer something else. i think elizabeth warren is one of the best at that. let's keep in mind trump ran as the alpha male. he talked about the size of his junk, grab them by the you know what. he ran as the alpha male who is going to be tough. it was a gendered election. when you talk about what we're going to come to in response to that, we will probably get -- >> eric: suggesting donald trump is more gender identity political and hillary clinton? no, i am talking about the underlying dynamic. >> i will tell you one thing

america will never be ready for. that is a president elizabeth warren. president pocahontas. >> please don't do that. if you're going to criticize he her. keep it to the policy. >> all that feminism has delivered his angry women. >> eboni: feminism by definition, people don't understand the word. you believe the same rights you have that are applicable to you are applicable to me. >> i agree. that is the definition. >> kat: this won't be solved right now. back by popular demand, were going to circle back to one of our top stories next. here is what huma abedin said when asked why sheep forwarding emails to her disgraced husband. i am totally blind. i lost my sight in afghanistan. it's

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>> eboni: time for our segment "circle back." we debuted it yesterday. we didn't totally embarrass ourselves, so we are keeping it. huma abedin, we just got this video of her being questioned by "the new york post" on the streets of new york earlier today about why she forwarded classified information to her husband. >> do you feel partially at least responsible for hillary's defeat knowing that your emails

reopened the investigation? did you know that what you were doing was illegal? mr. comey said he didn't think you were aware of that. >> eboni: in my opinion, she is looking unbothered. >> eric: unbothered or smart. she is likely going to be investigated. she doesn't want to open her mouth and say a word. >> eboni: the lawyer in me says that's good advice. >> i really feel for her. she probably does blame herself for hillary's loss, and she married anthony weiner, , and is been hell for her. if there is wrongdoing, she should accept responsibility but on a human level, i feel for her in that clip. >> i think she brought a lot of it onto herself. i think we saw there she is

very, very uncomfortable, and so she should be. i think she will get prosecuted. i think there will be an outcome that's going to be averse to her. if susan rice is the tokyo rose of our time, then i think i would maybe make huma abedin the joker. >> kat: i don't know what you're talking about. she's unaffected. it's very, very sad. what else are you going to do? >> i liked her scarf. >> she is very stylish. >> eric: if you have seen the anthony weiner documentary, you would end up feeling, the precipice coming in ' we found that they would have the cameras rolling and she would keep going. to your point, she made those decisions. >> kat: sometimes your emotions can take over. we all know what that's like. >> eboni: i don't think it was emotional. i think she made a strategic decision that a lot of people do. i think she knew he was a hot mess. he would get on her nerves.

i think she ultimately thought it would be worth it. he would become mayor of new york anymore. >> i think she might also be capable of love. >> i think this is where uni -- >> eric: look at the people she chose. hillary and anthony weiner. loser one and loser two. >> kat: marrying anthony weiner was a bad thing. >> eboni: one of the first things i ever set on fox news was on sean hannity's show and that is that anthony weiner is not my husband and thank god for that. that's true. that's the gospel right there. thank you to our fox news specialists, nick adams and krystal ball. we thank you so much for watching. make sure you also follow us on social media. @specialistsfnc on twitter and facebook and remember 5:00 will never be the same. "special report" up next.

>> this is a fox news alert. i am chris wallace in for bret baier. president trump is halfway toward fulfilling a major campaign promise, getting rid of obamacare. the house passed health care reform this afternoon, culminating a weeks long internal battle for the g.o.p. >> this is a great plan. i actually think it will get even better, and this is, make no mistake, this is a repeal and replace of obamacare. make no mistake about it. >> chris: as tough as it was to get the bill through the house today, it may be even tougher to get it through the senates. we have sox team coverage. trish regan in