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>> you'll get to meet some of your fox news anchors. >> thanks so much. everybody. see you tomorrow. >> bill: fantastic. good morning, we're awaiting one of the pivotal moments with the president meeting with fellow nato leaders later this hour. you'll see it live and brings with him a strong message urging our allies to pay their fair share for their own defense and double down in the fight against terror. this trip has really turned into a call to arms. we'll watch it along with you at home. good morning. welcome to "america's newsroom." >> shannon: president trump once called nato obsolete. today he is expected the reaffirm america's commitment to the alliance. one of the things that everyone will be watching today, the moment when president trump and british prime minister theresa
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may see each other and likely speak about the manchester terror investigation. john roberts is live in brussels. good afternoon to you. what do we expect from the meeting between the president and prime minister today? >> good morning. this is not an official bilateral meeting. thefl owe be together at dinner tonight and could be some uncomfortable moments. we're told that prime minister theresa may will conflict president trump over intelligence leaks over the manchester bombing. the name of the bomber was released by u.s. officials before it was released in the u.k. the u.k. wasn't ready for that to happen. after a warning was sent out, photographs, forensic photographs of the parts of the bomb and some other things were put out in the "new york times." u.k. officials are said to be infuriated about everything that has been happening and theresa may in a statement said i will make it clear to president trump the intelligence that is shared between our law enforcement agencies must remain secure.
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the bbc reporting that the u.k. has temporarily stopped sharing that intelligence with u.s. officials. theresa may will also ask nato to get more involved in the coalition against isis. on that point she and president trump see eye-to-eye. the president meeting a short time ago with the new french president macron in which the president said that this is our president said that terrorism was going to be on the agenda of that bilateral meeting. yet upon his arrival in brussels he met with the belgium prime minister. >> president trump: when you see something that happened two days ago you realize how important it is to win this fight. we'll win this fight. it's a horrible situation. what took place is horrible, unthinkable. but we will win 100%. >> don't forget that belgium
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has its own problems with terrorism. there was a bombing at the belgium airport in 2016. in november of 2015 one of the people who masterminded the concert massacre in france had belgian citizenship. there is a neighborhood in brussels that sl a hot bed of extremism. how far will nato go in joining this coalition against isis? rex tillerson said on air force one on the way over here they are more of an observer status right now but hopes they will get more involved militarily in the fight against terrorism. >> shannon: will russia be on the agenda for discussions as well today? >> it's certain to be and coming up in some of these bilateral meetings. the president's first meeting was with the president of the european union council. they talked about a lot of things, they came out of that
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meeting saying they share grount but part ways in their perception of russia and vladimir putin. >> we agreed on many areas. first and foremost on counter terrorism. but some issues remain open like climate and trade. and i'm not 100% sure that we can say today, we mr. president and myself, that we have a common position and opinion about russia. >> we can't say that we have a common opinion about russia. i'm told that tusk is not as optimistic in his assessment of vladimir putin's inventions as president trump seems to be. a lot of common ground at the nato conference but stark differences as well. those will probably be reflected in the private conversations between all 28 leaders. >> shannon: i expect some will
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be tense. >> bill: talk about the objective for president trump. chris stirewalt here to analyze. good day to you. >> i'm living the dream, brother bill. >> bill: what the trump's mission today at nato? >> his mission at nato is to show that he can direct the activities of the organization. the american president always takes if not the lead role, a lead role in directing this most important, most successful treaty organization in the peacetime history of the world. and i'm sure he wants to be able to say he can fill that part, too. despite his criticisms of the group in the past and a good marker on that would be if coming out of this they say yes, it's time for nato to become more engaged as it relates to isis and syria and iraq. >> bill: the nato secretary general said that in the op-ed over the past 24 hours. you're right about that. watch the response of the leaders today.
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newt gingrich wrote a piece. foreign leaders and the american people can see in this trip the core of a new reality-based foreign policy. he is making the case the media has missed the point of this entire trip with the con trails running back to saudi arabia suggesting you have to fight this as well, not just us. your view on that and how a trip like this can change a commander-in-chief. >> i think the trip changes the commander-in-chief but it also changes the context he is operating in. look, the concept of donald trump as devil, as handmaiden to vladimir putin, all of the care ki tour of trump in the european press. the people who spend one-on-one time with trump in the meetings, he will charming and flatter them. they'll walk out and say he is not as bad as we thought he was. maybe this guy is okay. yes in terms of reshaping global politics and that stuff
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great. time will tell. what matters most on this trip is that these actual human beings get to meet donald trump and they get to find out he is probably not as bad as they read about in the papers. >> bill: in the meantime obama is with angela merkel today in berlin. what's that trip about? there is a suggestion that he is trolling the president while this trip in europe continues. what do you think? >> a little trolling going on there. i think obama loved this stuff. they loved him. he was europe's favorite american president. maybe since woodrow wilson, i don't know. but he was very well liked by these leaders and he and merkel had a good rapport despite the couple of blowups over the eight years. i think this is nostalgia on
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merkel's part. give obama the benefit of the doubt. i'm sure there is a little trolling going on. >> bill: what happened at the brandenburg gate. chris stirewalt in washington merkel has an election in september, too. she is fighting for her political life. she'll be at nato later today as well. talk to you real soon. >> shannon: stunning turn of events hours before the polls open in the montgomery special election. he claims a rrter tried to push a phone in his face leading to the incident caught on audio tape. >> we're waiting to make your decision on healthcare. >> i'll talk to you about that later.
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>> shannon: you were there, what can you tell us? >> i can tell you that i was in the room with fox news photographer keith and fox news producer. we were the people who you could hear ben jacobs ask can i get your names? we were setting up to do an interview and arrived early to set up. we were in a room adjacent to a volunteer barbecue for his campaign that was about to happen and then he came in. we started talking and
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introduced himself and chitchat about bozeman in general when ben jacobson placed his recorder right up to him about here and started asking him questions about the cbo report on the republican healthcare bill and you heard what happened from there. i myself was standing about two feet d jacobs when it happened. there was a table in between. i saw the whole thing when he grabbed him by the neck both hands, slid him to the side. body slammed him and got on top of him and started punching and yelling at him and ben jacobs scrambled to his knees, grabbed his glasses and you heard him talk about his glasses being broken and wanted the police called. i need to tell you the campaign has released a statement saying that jacobs aggressively shoved the recorder in the candidate's face and greg attempted to grab the phone pushed in his face.
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jacobs grabbed greg's wrist and spun away from greg. as a result of this three of montgomery's largest newspapers have rescinded their endorsements of him. now, the candidate is expected to appear in court sometime between now and june 7th. that's the most specific they can get. but the reason we're here, shannon, in montgomery is for the special election for the seat vacated by zinke when he was appointed to interior secretary for president trump. this is the election today. and polls close here at 8:00 p.m. mountain time but montana's have been voting for about four weeks now through absentee voting and early voting and they have done that and the majority of them have already turned in their ballots, shannon. >> shannon: a witness to those
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events last night. thank you for your report. >> bill: 12 minutes past the hour now. chilling details about the manchester killer. where he traveled in the days and weeks before monday's massacre as authorities now link him to a global terror network. have an update on that and what we're learning today and then there is this. >> i want to be fair to the president. i won't accuse him or anyone of spying until i have all the unmaskings, until we have an end to the leak investigation. >> shannon: that was trey gowdy yesterday giving former president obama the benefit of the doubt. there may be new ammo in the unmasking controversy putting it in a whole new light. our panel will look at the evidence. i was always "the girl with psoriasis." people don't stare anymore. i never joined in. that wasn't fair to any of us. i was covered. i tried lots of things over the years. but i didn't give up.
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administration. good day to both of you. let's get to the issue, molly. how serious is this when the nsa internally says it was supposed to reform the program and never did? >> the obama administration routinely violated the fourth amount rights of who knows how many americans against illegal search and seizure. we're learning about this five years after the court warned them to clean up their act and they announced they hadn't cleaned up their act at all on the way out. we have way too much information being collected on americans december emanateed too widely and it is all related to the unmasking scandals. this is not good. >> bill: we aren't at the bottom of it either. >> this is the start. >> bill: jessica, how serious is it? >> very serious if there is attention paid to it. i wonder what the blowback of this will be.
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meaning that i don't know how far this story will go when everything is talking about trump and russia and that we have mounting evidence that there was collusion between the campaign and russian officials. that's really what's -- >> bill: do we? >> there are people every day, another drip. >> bill: under oath the other day is that what john brennan said? >> i'm talking about links between people. >> bill: he said he doesn't have it. >> i'm not trying to argue the collusion. i'm trying to say this is very serious. if it gets play which i believe it will, there will be huge blowback on the obama administration about it. right now our focus news-wise. >> bill: clarification noted. the day the lawyers for the nsa report evidence the abuse, the former president was on jimmy kimmel and said this about the government and whether or not americans can trust what it does. that day, watch. >> people expect the government
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to monitor this enough to protect them from bad guys. but they worry if government is in their too much, then that who will protect them from government? >> bill: he is right on point. in april of this year on msnbc susan rice said this about all that. >> the allegation is that somehow obama administration officials utilized intelligence for political purposes. that's false. >> bill: molly. >> the power to surveil is an incredible power and has to be -- there have to be safeguards in place that it is not abused. even this program. a bush-era program. we learned about the flaws during the obama administration and the trump administration is claiming they're ending this particular collection program but in general i think americans are losing confidence in their intelligence agencies to do really anything other than leak for political purposes or cause problems with our allies. we have news out of manchester that the brits are no longer sharing information with us because our intel people are
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leaking to reporters about the manchester bombing. we need an intelligence agency that knows what its job is and stops being so political. >> bill: what susan right said was utilize for political purposes. jessica, we don't know that answer just yet but the nsa was collecting information on americans that was against procedure and perhaps illegal against the law. >> it looks like it's 5% were illegal which is tremendous when you think about across the nation. i think the obama administration will have to answer for this. they declined to comment at this point but certainly dumping the information the day before you're leaving office looks suspicious. they have been warned before. the fisa court was scathing saying it was a lack of candor and from a president who said he will run the most transparent administration in history, it doesn't look good.
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>> bill: rand paul calls it an abuse of power and you know how he has stood on the issue from day one. thank you both as well. we'll see where it goes. 21 past the hours, >> shannon: disturbing new information on what the bomber was doing and where he was traveling weeks and days before that horrific terror attack in manchester. more details coming in. we've got them straight ahead. >> i think it's very clear this is a network that we are investigating. look closely. hidden in every swing, every chip, and every putt, is data that can make the difference between winning and losing. the microsoft cloud helps the pga tour turn countless points of data into insights that transform their business and will enhance the game for players and fans. the microsoft cloud turns information into insight.
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traveling between libya and europe in the weeks and days before the attack. this is a surveillance photo of the suspect in the days before the bombing. authorities say this is salman abedi. the author of enemies foreign and domestic a seal's story carl higbie. neighbors and imam were concerned. apparently a recruiter had been operating out of this area and bringing in a lot of disaffected young people from this neighborhood. why wasn't it caught? >> i'm the first person to hit the islamic community of policing their own. they did. they told authorities many times this is a problem. the mosque had recruiters. people were doing suspicious things around them and the authorities in the u.k. did nothing. we've seen this time and time again. in america you are protected by certain liberties. they don't have the same
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constitution as us. they have 3500 people under surveillance that are considered threats. why are these people still in the country? they brought this on themselves in the u.k. if they don't do something about it, it will be real bad. >> shannon: this young man was born there. his parents came as refugees trying to escape libya. but they were going to -- >> bill: we helped them. they come here and now he is radicalized against the very people that helped. >> shannon: there is all this talk about a former law enforcement official in manchester said the people are here but feel isolated and don't fit in. the perfect stew for isis to say come with us. >> the reality check. they feel isolated come untaoef because they isolate themselves. they move into similar communities. it happened in america with everybody coming from ireland, germany, everybody came here did the same thing. they've isolated themselves and made no attempt to assimilate to the surrounding population. it is unbelievable they feel that they are isolated because of some external force. they're doing it to themselves. >> shannon: about what these
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countries that are requiring people who do come into the country to take classes that teach them the history and the culture of that country, the language and require them to take the classes? there are those on the left who say that's oppressive to their native cultures. what do they do? >> if you come to america you're american and nothing else and american foremost. we don't have people who respect the culture of the united states of america. you have people like katy perry, for instance. this woman has said we need to hug it out. go to hell, katy perry. hold one of your concerts in syria. these people don't understand what's going on here. >> shannon: you don't think she is coming from a bad place. they don't get the threats. >> they don't understand any of this and they don't want to understand, too. i'm so strong against these celebrities who speak out and say we can fight it through love. it is not really violent. they don't mean it.
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we're putting the political correctness of the islamic culture over the lives of our citizens and need to stop that immediately. >> shannon: the assumption is the bomb maker was more sophisticated and wasn't a sweet kid and that western is on the loose. how do they track them down? signature things from the device that went off? >> we're dealing with a culture more concerned about how it's perceived if it's perceived as anti-islamic than protecting their citizen re. this is something that is a wider threat. they need at these things. i don't see any initiative from the european union doing anything about it. >> shannon: the raids and arrests continue as they try to track down what they're calling a network or cell there in manchester and beyond. we know it will be part of the discussion in nato for the president. >> i sure hope they wise up. >> shannon: good to see you, sir. >> bill: world leaders now
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arriving at nato moments away from president trump's arrival. you'll see live pictures as they roll in now from brussels. what is at stake in today's meeting? what is president trump's message? we await his arrival live on the blue carpet. >> shannon: fresh ammunition for both sides of the aisle as the healthcare bill moves to the senate. the potential political impact. john barrasso will join us with his reaction. >> just because a group of auditors down the block says they think this is what is going to happen, it doesn't make it so. these are people are biases just like you and me and have their own opinions. what's the story behind green mountain coffee and fair trade?
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>> shannon: president donald trump set to visit nato headquarters this hour in brussels. terrorism, security, those will be hot topics given the manchester bombing and heightened terror alert in
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great britain. the president's message will stress the need for our allies to start paying their fair share to keep that alliance strong. we'll keep an eye on it for you. >> bill: another big story this morning. a lot of reaction from capitol hill released the cbo report. it would lower healthcare premiums leaving millions more uninsured. >> what do you make of this report? >> i feel good. great. >> they deserve all the respect in the world. they aren't profits. at best these are difficult things to predict. >> the house of representatives tried to put lipstick on a pig and they created a really big mess. >> these medicaid cuts are going to hit american communities like a wrecking ball. >> unless you're a healthy millionaire, trump care is a nightmare. this report ought to be the
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final nail in the coffin. >> bill: mike emanuel, no shortage of reaction. good morning to you. >> good morning. plenty more questions today about the next steps in terms of healthcare reform. house speaker paul ryan offered more formal reaction to the congressional budget office report saying the cbo report confirms the american healthcare act achieves our mission, lowering premiums and lowering the deficit. the congressional budget office analysis of the house republican healthcare bill is 51 million people under 65 -- it predicts lower premiums and 119 billion benefit to the deficit. liberals were quick to pounce. >> we should not call it a healthcare bill. i have never seen a healthcare bill which throws 23 million americans off of health insurance. that's not a healthcare bill. it's not a healthcare bill when
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you cut medicaid by $800 billion. >> on healthcare mitch mcconnell told reuters yesterday he doesn't know how they get to 50 votes at the moments on passing an obamacare repeal and replace bill. a house republican told us he doesn't trust the congressional budget office analysis on healthcare. >> we need to take another look at our bill as it becomes law in a couple of years to make sure it's doing what we anticipate it will do because it is hard to predict the future. cbo tries to do that but they have historically been off on a number of items and so i wouldn't hold up legislation or stop new ideas just because of the cbo score. >> on the coverage numbers prediction you can expect republicans to say the cbo was wrong on obamacare so what makes them right this time? >> bill: wrong about half when it came to the insured. mike emanuel, more reaction on that. >> shannon: the ball is now in the senate's court. both sides have political
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ammunition with the cbo news. wyoming senator and dr. john barrasso is with us this morning. good to have you with us. okay, you have heard the critiques from your democratic colleagues including the senate minority leader saying it's a nightmare unless you happen to be a healthy millionaire. so where does the conversation now go in the senate? will you take any of what's happened in the house bill? are you starting completely from scratch? >> the nightmare itself is obamacare. why are we trying to write a new healthcare law? this isn't a replacement, it's a rescue for what's happening around the country. the cbo has a credibility gap in that they've been wrong so often about obamacare. let's talk about the facts today. what we know is the last four years insurance premiums under obamacare have doubled in the 30 some states where they just have the obamacare exchange and just yesterday blue cross-blue
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shield of kansas city has pulled out of missouri and kansas. there are people there who have no options to buy health insurance at all. wyoming we're down to one choice. places around the country where nobody is selling because it's such a bad deal that so few people are buying. >> shannon: there has been a lot of question about the cbo estimates. these aren't perfect numbers. we want to give you examples so people know what we are talking about when they were off about obamacare. 20 million people would enroll in obamacare exchanges. predicted 4 million would enroll in a small business program. less than a quarter of a millionian actual and they underestimated medicaid expansion costs. they ended up being 62% higher than expected for $26 billion. i know these programs and the expansion of medicaid and medicare, that's been a hot topic. we know it is one of the sticking points in the senate.
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knowing how far off the cbo was in the wrong direction, how do you iron that out on the senate side with the new reform? >> we're continuing to look for ways to lower premiums. that's what i hear about every weekend i was at a health fair in wyoming this weekend and people are saying the premiums, the costs are too high. we have to lower the premiums. we also need to protect people with pre-existing conditions and we're working on that. this is a rescue operation for the people who have been caught in the collapsing obamacare exchanges. we need to provide something so that they can actually get insurance. that's what we've been working on and we'll meet for a couple of hours today. we met yesterday. the day before. all the republican senators are involved bringing forth their best ideas to get this done and we go home every weekend and come back with the best ideas from around the country. >> shannon: one of the most critical sticking points was state waivers that was part of what they passed that would allow states to op out if they
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can prove they have safety neither and they say it will drive up costs. the cbo estimates says 1/6 of the u.s. population will be in states where they get the waivers and they'll be impacted by higher prices. >> i read the entire report. they make assumptions. they say half of the states won't do anything. they say a third of the states will do marginal changes and 1/6 of the states will go further. i was in the state senate in wyoming and as a doctor and state senator i always felt we could do a much better job in wyoming way. i encourage states to make decisions on their own and do what works best in that state, not what washington says you have to do. i think it was one of the major problems with obamacare, shannon, from the beginning. >> shannon: let me get you to respond to this example as well.
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they give us a 64-year-old earning $26,500. their premium would spike 800% from 1700 to 13,600. is that a framework the senate can work with? >> we're working on dealing with that. senator thune from south dakota has been very active in an amendment to try to smooth that out in a better way. we want people to have affordable care so they can get the care they need from a doctor they choose at lower costs. what we've been seeing with obamacare is people can't keep their doctor, can't keep their insurance plan, and when you have people that have been going to a doctor and they find out even under obamacare with a narrower networks they can't keep their doctor and if they go to several doctors and can't keep any of them that's another violation of the promises that president obama has made. we need something that was better, better, shannon, than it was before obamacare was passed. i said that as a doctor years
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ago. we need a better system for america. it's interesting the california is now proposing universal coverage and care for everyone and they costed it out and say it's $400 billion, more than twice the cost of the entire budget of the state. which means you would have to get rid of police, teachers, firefighters and raise taxes to get what the folks who are talking about universal coverage want. >> shannon: that math doesn't seem to work. senator barrasso, good to see you, too. thank you for your time. >> bill: we'll have more on the cbo news and the healthcare fight next hour. ohio republican congressman and freedom caucus member jim jordan is our guest. tough negotiations between his group and moderates that nearly took down the house bill. his reaction in the next hour and this from overseas. >> shannon: minutes away from a pivotal meeting for president trump. he is about to arrive at nato headquarters in brussels. the issues are sticky facing the commander-in-chief.
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>> shannon: residents of parts of ohio assessing the damage after a violent overnight of storms. >> anybody can see this, take cover. >> shannon: a funnel cloud was one of several potential tornadoes sighted. so far no reports of any injuries. >> bill: we're minutes away from one of the more important stops in president trump's trip overseas, nato headquarters, the blue carpet and leaders come in one by one, the heart of the western alliance. he will meet his fellow nato leaders where he is expected to press them on paying their fair share to maintain the alliance and saying america has their backs. andrew peek, welcome here to america's newsroom. just want to bring you back to
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newt gingrich's piece today. he talked about a phrase that president trump used on principled realism. i think one and two have been covered for years, the limits of american influence and power and assistance, talk about that for a moment. how does this president define that, andrew? >> i think the emergence of the acknowledgement of limits in the american political spectrum is something that's only me erjed over the last two years. cruz and trump clearly refined a more restrained posture for america in the world. largely that's a reaction to not just the obama administration and its adventures in libya but also the bush administration and the iraq war. i think over the long run trump has been successful because
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unlike even cruz, he could say look, iraq, even afghanistan, libya, these were all mistakes. america should have a much more restrained respect for what it can do overseas. >> bill: the "wall street journal." let's turn our focus to europe. they write the following. mr. trump meets thursday in brussels with nato allies who since 2015 have experienced islamic state mass murders in paris, nice, stockholm, london, brussels and now manchester. his basic message. it's time to get serious. they deserve support over there and in the white house. how is that basic message received? >> i have think it's received loud and clear. if anything, this summit is about getting specific military commitments out of our european states and allies for operations against isis. you know, i think there is a very clear realization in the
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white house that kind of gauzy acknowledgements of common interests in fighting terrorism are all well and good but what we need is actual commitments and troops in the middle east, bombing missions, we need intelligence support. and those things i'm not sure are coming out of nato just yet. >> bill: interesting because the secretary general pretty much admitted that. nato needs to take a bigger role. this is on their door steps. they have to confront it. >> they do. and i think many of those states, particularly in western europe, are just not politically at a point where they can confront it. >> bill: how come? >> it's an immigration issue partially. large segments of these countries that aren't willing to take stronger measures against immigration acceptance of refugees, even things like surveillance. a big problem we have with the europeans. they don't share privacy data on citizens with us still.
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even for example with things like flight security. that inhibits our ability to identify potential terrorists coming to the united states. >> bill: how real is it now for them? in lieu of manchester, which is still so ripe in the minds of everyone who gathers there today. starting in saudi arabia, the president went there and said you got to pitch in, too. we can't do everything. if you want to eradicate this, take a stand now. that's the challenge he is laying before leaders in these sunni nations and now in western europe. >> in fact, i thought there was a missed opportunity in the trip to saudi arabia because i felt that the saudis really wanted something. they wanted help against iran which they felt had been lacking under the obama administration. i thought there was a real opportunity for the president to broker a deal with them to say hey, we'll give you that help if you no kidding cut out
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the domestic incitement, the domestic intolerance and hate reds toward christians and jews but that you fund around the world. i thought without that it came off as us doing something for them without getting to the core of this problem with terrorism. >> bill: andrew peek, stand by. we'll use you throughout the coming hour. they're live in washington and at nato headquarters in brussels is the turkish president arriving for his meeting. 29 members early june. montenegro becomes a member. all of this now is folding into the coverage right now at nato. stand by. president trump in a moment here. >> shannon: new questions about border security. officials say there is a surge in the amount of illegal drugs coming into the u.s. more on that in a live report.
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>> shannon: illegal immigrants crossing the border has declined but the amount of illegal drugs coming into the country is on the rise. one of the reasons president trump says he wants more money to secure the border. national correspondent is live in l.a. with more. good morning, william. >> to the cartels immigrants and drugs have revenue. because of the decline in central american smuggling they've turned to high drugs with high margins, meth and synthetic heroin. >> on the typical day a few months ago you would see three, four, five rafts full of people coming across. now as you can see there is not very much going on. >> a few miles away smugglers are busy moving drugs. in texas smugglers float fully
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loaded trucks filled with marijuana across the rio grande. this one got turned back by the border patrol forcing the driver to ditch it in the river. co-workers tried to swim the pot back to mexico. when we were there, it happened again so moments ago this pickup was on the u.s. side filled with marijuana. border patrol gave chase. they turned around. dumped it in the rio grande. we got half. the other went to mexico. most is backpacked over the border. 81% of hard drugs cross at the ports of entry in cars. >> we've seen narcotics come in shaped like carrots, mango, lime, watermelon. they will take advantage of whatever is there. >> the agents' best defense is on four legs. >> they train in marijuana, cocaine, heroin. >> americans get 95% of their
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heroin, coke and meth from mexico. seizures doubled from last year. >> we need to make their profit somewhere. now they're trying with narcotics. >> the trump budget adds more manpower, roads and fences but stopping drugs is harder than people. experts say we probably catch maybe 20 to 50% of all illegal narcotics. back to you. >> bill: in is the story of the day. this is nato headquarters where the leaders now gathering at headquarters in brussels, belgium. a beautiful day in europe. we've seen leaders arrive. president trump will arrive in moments. don't miss that as he brings a strong message with him. what will that be? we'll define it for you after the break. top of the hour on "america's newsroom." the whole operation was blown. the element of surprise was imperative.
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>> shannon: moments from now president trump will arrive at
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nato's brand-new headquarters where he will officially take his seat beside our biggest allies across the globe. welcome to a brand-new hour of "america's newsroom." i'm shannon bream. >> bill: i'm bill hemmer. good morning at home. fighting terror, defense spending tops the president's agenda. meanwhile nato leaders want the president's commitment to mutual aid, a cornerstone of the nato alliance. >> shannon: we're live at the state department. rich, what are the nato leaders looking for from our president? >> good morning. they want an endorsement of article 5. if an attack on one nato country is an attack on all nato countries. candidate trump during the campaign called nato obsolete. when he was president some of the countries were concerned about the commitment to that article. since then the secretary of state in march traveled to
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brussels and affirmed the u.s. commitment to that. these leaders would really like to hear that commitment from president trump himself. he has the opportunity today. he is at nato about to participate in the article 5 and berlin wall memorial unveiling. it's a good venue to do so. as nato confronts russia there have been disagreements in brussels with the president. the president of the european council said after his meeting with president trump this morning he is not 100% certain they see eye-to-eye. but they have common positions about russia except on the issue of ukraine. >> shannon: who exactly do we know is the president going to call out today? >> there are those nations that don't spend enough money according to what the commitments of nato are. first, though, there was a commitment made by nato, nato will join the anti-isis coalition. that's something the united states was looking for and received a commitment on. there is that 2% commitment.
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nato wants these countries to spend 2% of the size of their economies on defense. only five of the 28 countries do so, the united states, greece, britain, estonia, poland. canada is spending less than 1%. slovenia, spain, belgium and luxembourg. the united states and the trump administration has just unveiled its budget with the goal of spending less money internationally on development in certain issues while other countries spend more. shannon. >> shannon: rich live for us at the state department. thank you. >> bill: the back drop comes disturbing new details emerging behind the man leading up to the attack. police conduct raids overnight across the city. arresting more in connection to that case. >> i want to reassure people
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that the arrests that we have made are significant. and initial searches of premises have revealed items that we believe are very important to the investigation. it is vitally important that we continue those searches and do it very, very thoroughly. >> bill: let's get back to manchester. greg palkot reporting from there. we look at the number of arrests that occurred overnight. >> as the victims are remembered from monday night's massacre by the mountains of flowers that continue to grow here in the center of manchester, yes, that police investigation grows as well. there were arrests overnights and raids this morning. in custody right now eight different people including one of the brothers of the attacker. they are coming to grips to begin to come to grips with the terror network which has been
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supporting him. detained in libya his father and another brother. there are associations with those two both with isis and al qaeda, but they are yet to be investigated. abedi spent time in libya and has links and spent time in places like germany and also ties to terrorists -- possible terrorists in belgium and france and yes, the british people are furious, the officials here are furious with u.s. law enforcement leaks to the media. london says it is cutting off right now anyway its flow of information to the united states. here is what a very angry mayor of manchester told us. >> this is wrong, morally, it is arrogant and disrespectful to the people of manchester, particularly to the families of those who lost loved ones and the injured. it must stop. >> meanwhile, we watched a very emotional minute of silence marked here as it was across
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the united 22 people were killed, today more identified. more teenagers and in the hospitals in this area 75 remain again many of them young. here is a bit of what the people had to say to us today. >> we can't be intimidated by these people. manchester is a strong city. >> what did you feel when you first heard about the attack? >> felt sick, really shocked. it's nice to see everyone coming out and paying their respects. >> i'm worried what's going to happen next? all the children. it's so sad. >> you just come to show your respects. >> bill, the kids in the children's hospital here got another very special visitor today from the 91-year-old mother, grandmother, great grandmother queen elizabeth. she spent some time with the kids. some strong emotions and strong feelings here all over this city. back to you.
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>> it goes a long way for the people of the u.k., too. greg palkot. good to have you back on the ground today in manchester. >> shannon: meanwhile we watch and wait for president trump's arrival at nato headquarters. a report on the latest version on the obamacare replacement bill estimating it will save money for the government and consumers but it says millions more will lose coverage. congressman jordan is here to give us his reaction. what do you make of these numbers? they paint a dire prediction in states that may use the waivers to get out of some of the coverage requirements. >> for states the use the waivers they'll see premiums come down. the report confirms what we in the freedom caucus were fighting for. we know we made this bill better by engaging in that debate we had over the last several weeks and cbo confirms it. if your state gets a waiver,
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premiums come down significantly and the full waiver they come down more and even states who don't seek the waiver from some of those regulations that are driving up costs, even states that don't get it will see help as well. we fought all along to say look, we want premiums to come down for middle class and working class families in this country and that happens under the bill that we worked to make changes to. >> shannon: cbo says that's true of people who are generally healthy but raise questions whether the waiver will fight costs with older people or those less healthy. >> we think it will come down for everyone. we believe cbo confirms that and largely this number of those who lose coverage is serving a lot by young people say if you don't have to buy the expensive policies that obamacare created they won't buy it. that drivers a lot of that number of the 23 million. we have know this bill got better. the tax increases were gone because of the debate we engaged in that were in obamacare.
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the mandates are gone. the safety net provision the high-risk pool is there to protect those are pre-existing conditions and most importantly, premiums will come down because of this waiver that states can seek and the actions that we got in this legislation. >> shannon: i want the play a little bit of the reaction from senate minority leader chuck schumer. >> the report makes clear trump care would be a cancer on the american healthcare system. causing costs to skyrocket, making coverage unaffordable for thoefs with pre-existing conditions and many seniors and kicking millions off their health insurance. unless you are a healthy millionaire, trump care is a nightmare. >> shannon: in addition to that, house minority leader pelosi calls it devastating. they'll run with it and say it will be terrible for you in 2018. >> what they are describing is what we have now.
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people can't get coverage. if they can afford the premiums they can't afford the deductibless. obamacare is creating the things they just described. i come back to this. never forget what we were told when this thing passed. when obamacare passed several years ago we were told if you like the plan, you can keep your plan. like your doctor, keep your doctor. premiums will decline. we were told premiums will come down $2500. and the website will work and the website is secure. all the lies we were told about this. what mr. schumer is describing and nancy pelosi are describing is what is we currently have. we know it will get better as evidence evidence by the fact cbo says premiums will come down for families who have seen them skyrocket under obamacare. >> shannon: the debt ceiling is looming. you were part of the freedom caucus, one of the founders. i saw your statement yesterday you don't think we should be
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giving up clean increases but paired with something else. you would like to see it get done before august but stop raising the limit. how does it work for the gop? >> going early is good but let's do something that addresses the $20 trillion debt. let's get spending cuts now and structural changes that will keep government as a percentage of our overall gdp at a smaller ratio. let's do those things and how you address the debt. we're okay with raising the debt ceiling but only if we actually begin to address the problem. we think that's the common sense thing to do and what the american middle class families have to do with their budget when faced with this situation. congress needs to do the same thing. let's go early like the treasury secretary wants to but let's address the problem. not kicking the can down the road. >> shannon: congress jim jordan. always good to see you. thank you for your time. >> bill: we're watching nato
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headquarters in brussels, belgium. we believe any moment now president donald trump will wheel in with his motorcade of numerous vehicle. when that happens he will be met with the german leader angela merkel and so many others. the nato leader. as we await that we reflect for a moment with our colleague bret baier in washington, d.c. bret, good morning, welcome back from your trip overseas. you think about the contrails of this trip already, bret. this was a trip that was not a formality. this was a trip that was designed and established with deliberate intent and a message starting from the first location. and that was riyadh, saudi arabia. just reflect on that and what this administration and this president is trying to perhaps sell and lead to these leaders today. >> i think it is a big picture
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30,000 foot look at how this administration sees big things that could potentially happen. you know, peace between israelis and palestinians. is it a long way off? of course. but it is aspirational. the images of the first three stops, the fact that the saudis were the first stop and then the image of the president on the western wall with his hand praying. and then meeting the pope yesterday. the three major religions. and those three images starting off this trip in a significant way. they think they've changed the dynamic a bit. now they head to basically the wonky internal nato and g-7 negotiations that may not be as great visually and there may be some pushback from some of the european leaders but he will go in there in nato with a message pay your fair share. >> bill: the message, too, is deadly serious in light of events we've been reporting on throughout this week.
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you can control your trip. you can set up your itinerary and say who you want to talk to and meet with but events of the world can change at a moment's notice and that's what we experienced on monday night. the motorcade arriving at nato headquarters if brussels. in light of that, brett, when you've got a president who is saying look, we can't do all this for you. you have to step up and do your part as well, which is the same thing he said to sunni leaders in saudi arabia. the message has been consistent. this is a call to arms to wipe out the threat of isis, al qaeda and all the branches that follow along. >> it's powerful if you think of more than 50 muslim and arab countries signing on to fighting extremism and terrorism and funding for that and one day later this bombing happens in manchester, that is tied to a network. it looks like that is expanding
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throughout england. a terrorist who went to libya which, by the way, nato was involved in. it's all interconnected here. and so the message, i think, will not be one that is ignored. it is one a lot of these leaders are anxious to make their case. believe it or not naming and shaming is powerful. if president trump gets into this table and says okay, here is the deal. here are these countries and here is what you paid and not paid, that's embarrassing frankly for some of these countries who have been a part of nato for so many years. >> bill: we'll try to pick our spots as we go through this. when there are comments, we expect president trump to make about a three-minute address here. angela merkel will make an address as well. when that happens we'll certainly part ways with our microphones and bring that to our audience. bear in mind the location for nato headquarters, brussels, belgium. you're coming off terror
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attacks that originated in that city in the neighborhood on the western edge of brussels that were destined for paris, france. and the airport that was hit in march of last year. it's just a few miles from nato headquarters. they have felt this in a very real way. the question is, what do they do about it? >> a brand-new nato headquarters as you see the president walking in with the nato secretary general who also visited the white house earlier just weeks ago with the message that they will get all of these countries on board. i think they are a little bit apprehensive about what this new president will bring and what message he will bring. and in a sense that is president donald trump shaking things up a bit like the bull in the china shop. the hope is in the administration that that will shake things up in a good way
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and make these countries pull the line. >> bill: shannon, we'll hang here for a moment and see if there is a live microphone in the hallway. it doesn't appear to be for now. >> shannon: we don't want to miss anything. what do you make of the fact that former president obama a short time ago was with german chancellor angela merkel. a lot of people say he was in italy, germany now. the white house is hoping this is a reset that for president trump introduces him to the world in a different way. yet the specter of the last president who was so popular in many places showing up in europe as well. >> there is a lot of back slapping and laughing pictures. the former leader that the europeans liked. they liked being around him. they thought they were aligned with him more perhaps in a european sense. but president trump is the one who obviously has the power and obviously is the one who is
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going to be controlling this meeting because the u.s. has the biggest say in nato. i think it's going to be interesting the interaction between these leaders. you saw the handshake with the new french president macron who was gripping very hard and holding on kind of showing that he is an alpha leader too, i think. but president trump is really the man of the moment here in this nato meeting in brussels. >> bill: we're told also theresa may the british prime minister will deliver a stern message to our president about intelligence leaks in light of manchester. this president has seen in four months plenty of intelligence leaks back here at home and how he receives that message will be interesting. you almost get a sense, you know, welcome to my world. i'm dealing with this, too. >> i think they will be pointed toward the administration, what is being forecast by the prime minister theresa may, that she
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is concerned about the intelligence sharing and you saw the israelis, what they said publicly and then what they said privately about intelligence sharing. i think that will be a big issue. the other issue here is this president has managed to move the ball in these countries more than any other president previously. this is not a new issue. this is not a new issue about having countries pay their fair share in nato. the biggest proponent of that was robert gates, defense secretary, for president obama and president bush. all of those administrations tried to do it saying you can't have paper armies. saying you have to come to the table with the funding you promised. this is the only president in early days who has actually managed to move the needle and these countries are changing their dynamic. >> bill: they have agreement to pay 2%. five of 28 members meet that. united states clearly off the top of my head is it's estonia,
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poland and the u.k. as well. >> the u.s. is paying 4% of gdp. it's lopsided. this is a major -- it is not obsolete. the president walked that phrase back. but he did say that each of these countries needs to do their fair share. >> bill: brett, stand by. we're waiting remarks from president donald trump and we'll hear from angela merkel, too. earlier today she was with the former president barack obama at the brandenburg gate in central berlin. she moves from that location to this today, shannon. >> shannon: we'll listen in on the remarks shortly. we keep an eye on domestic issues as well and we'll take you there live when the two world leaders get to the mics,
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>> shannon: we'll take you live to brussels to nato 're awaiting remarks from president donald trump and also the leader of germany angela merkel. both will be speaking moments from now. let's bring in steve hayes of the weekly standard. good morning to you. i read an interesting article this week that was talking about a lot of people think that trump is out there to prove himself on this trip but there actually is a feeling within nato they want to win him over given some tough comments. a special flyover. dedicating this big new building. he will take part in the remembrance of article 5 invoked for the only time after 9/11 that they are woohing him a bit. what do you make of that? >> for the most part that's typical diplomatic courtesy one extends to the leader of a
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country, particularly the leader of the united states as bill was talking about the chris stirewalt the defacto leader of nato. nothing can outdo what the saudis did for president trump. >> shannon: it was pretty spectacular. >> he said so himself. it was. >> shannon: now they'll have this conversation where they talked a lot about how he said at one point nato is obsolete. negative things to say about them during the campaign. people inside the oval office when the realities of the world square up with them. so he is going to recognize that this is a key military alliance but estimate really press for the nations who aren't coming near their obligations. how do you think those conversations will go? >> he can afford to be pretty tough here. he laid out his position on nato during the campaign. overstated it a bit. no doubt he has people around him like national security
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advisor mcmaster and general mattis and others who stressed to him the importance of nato as a strategic alliance and its role in keeping america safe. this is not a zero sum game. an alliance where the united states gains from being part of it and helping to lead it. i do think he has -- he has some capital here to push nato member countries to make good on their commitments to spend what they've pledged to spend on defense. he can ask them to step up their involvement in the fight against isis and the fight against al qaeda and jihadists across the world and i think he will do that. the real question particularly on that second part is whether he will also show that the united states is willing to lead that fight and lead the fight against isis, take on al qaeda and have some skin in the game in a way that makes other countries want to participate along with us. >> shannon: what about the issue of russia? >> very interesting comments
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this morning from an e.u. leader who said in effect we don't see eye-to-eye on russia and the characterization that came out of that according to fox news reporting was that donald trump was a little bit more optimistic about vladimir putin putin and the direction he was heading than the europeans are. one would think that given the continuing provocations that we've seen from russia and from vladimir putin that the president might revise his views on russia and vladimir putin in much the same way he did on nato broadly speaking. >> shannon: stay with us, steve, as we continue coverage this hour. we'll get back to you in a minute as these things develop. >> bill: this is what we're waiting on. the german chancellor angela merkel will be there in a moment along with tt donald trump. they'll unveil two memorials. one is a memorial to the berlin wall and the other to article 5 of the nato constitution. what it states again is that attack on one is an attack on all.
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first invoked, by the way, after the attacks of september 11th here in new york city. that's what we're waiting on and we'll see a class photo, too. when all the leaders get together. watch carefully because sometimes it's rather interesting the body language on behalf of world leaders when they stand together. so that's what we're all waiting on coming up this hour. want to bring bret back in here now. nato ambassadors yesterday approved the idea of joining all these other countries, i think 68 in the fight against isis in syria and iraq principally because we know with open borders in europe you can travel from brussels and go to syria. and come back. and then go to paris and carry out a deadly attack. you can go from brussels into syria and come back and carry out a deadly attack at the airport in brussels as well and as we digest the information from this manchester massacre, we know he was in libya just a few days ago. open borders are fine but if you cannot control who is
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coming and who is going and if your lack of surveillance leads to massacres like we saw monday night, the leaders of these countries have a lot to answer for. >> if you think that we are concerned as a country, as a population, about terrorism, think about living in the heart of europe where the refugee and migrant population has increased exponentially after the syria situation. and you've seen more of these radical islamic events, terrorist attacks. and also cells that the intelligence community over there has been trying to break up. large cells throughout different parts of europe. so as nato gets involved in terrorism more and more, it is a direct link to all of these countries having to deal with this. you make an important point, bill. it gets to the protecting your
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borders, being careful who is coming in and who is going out. if there is anybody who can speak to that, it is probably president trump who has mentioned his concern, obviously, for the u.s. border and some of these european leaders know exactly what he is talking about. >> bill: we've talked about what nato does in terms of changing. the charge is there clearly. if you read the secretary general's report he issued just this week his opinion piece that you can read right now, you -- macron, the leader of france coming in. what he talked about, there is a long list of things that nato is doing already. talking about helping to train troops in afghanistan to stabilize that country. he talks about a coalition to defeat islamic state by teaching soldiers counter insurgency tactics. operational hub in naples,
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italy, the headquarters in brussels with new intel and security division. while he says all that he concludes by saying the following. while i'm very proud of what nato is already doing in the fight against terrorism i believe nato can do more. he continues, there are other possibilities. it would not mean nato involvement in combat operations. that last point as the leaders gather here with angela merkel in the orange or red in front. that last point, bret, is something that european leaders have been debating for a long time now. >> you just saw the french president with aggressive handshake and i reference the handshake they had in their one-on-one. perhaps president trump was joking about that as we walk forward here on the blue carpet in nato. it is an impressive building as you take a look at that new building where they'll be holding these meetings. >> bill: when he talks about combat operations, that would
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take this whole operation to another level. i think in the near term what these leaders are worried about is how did they get the population that they now govern under control? and how they are able to step up surveillance within their own borders to make sure that their people have a sense of greater security because now they are not living with it. >> that's right, bill. i think to your point there is also concern that the u.s. will always and eternally honor article v and that is any country that is attacked, nato members come to the support and aid of that country. with the actions of russia there is concern about the states like estonia, latvia and others. >> shannon: bret, there has been discussion about a
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conversation between britain's p.m. and our president with potential leaks with regard to the manchester investigation. we're just now getting statement that comes to us from the white house producer from president trump issued by the white house. the alleged leaks coming out of government agencies are deeply troubling and they've been going on a wrong time. the leaks of sensitive information pose a grave threat to our national security. i'm asking the department of justice and other relevant agencies to launch a complete review of this matter and if appropriate the culprit should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. there is no relationship we cherish more than the special relationship between the united states and the united kingdom. >> it's a forceful statement and one in which i think they're saying definitively they're concerned about her concerns. the intelligence leaking is really a big issue. here, abroad. it is the essence of how you keep things secret in order to
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help these different agencies do their jobs. and i think that statement shows the importance of this moment. >> bill: the secretary general making an address in german at the moment. i think angela merkel is second. we'll listen to her as well. what you're looking at now is the memorial that's being unveiled to mark the fall of the berlin wall going back to november of 1989. bret, a lot of this is framed today in a 2017 picture. this has been an alliance for good, for 50 years. and they have kept the peace after what was considered wars that involved millions of people that many thought would be never fought again. however, this alliance has kept the peace in this part of the world. want to drop in here real quick. >> however, if we are to find
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convincing answers for the future, it is good to remind ourselves of what we have achieved in the past and what we can build on. this fragment of the berlin wall embodies the history that during the cold war had left its mark an nato for many decades. however, this wall also symbolizes something that has been a determinant factor for my life for many years because i lived on the eastern side of the wall. and it is the division of berlin. it is an expression of the fact that if we stand firm as nato, if we can rely on the courage of our friends from central and eastern europe, then we can bring down a wall and make it something to be remembered.
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our alliance, if united in the awareness of the importance to cooperate between freedom and united in the trust that it is not isolation and the building of walls that make us successful but open societies that share the same values. ladies and gentlemen, with the end of the east/west conflict a new era began. a new era bringing new challenges and new dangers. as we continue to be an alliance built on shared values, showing solidarity towards its members, germany will never forget the contribution nato made towards making our country become reunited, and this is why we will continue to make our contribution towards security and solidarity as members of this alliance. [applause]
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>> nato's greatest strength and bond between north america and europe. we saw the strength of that bond after the 9/11 attacks against the united states. and president trump, those attacks struck at the heart of your own hometown in new york. and for the first time, nato invoked our collective defense course of article v. one for all and all for one. hundreds of thousands of european and canadian soldiers
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have served shoulder to shoulder with u.s. troops in afghanistan for over a decade. to help ensure it never again becomes the safe haven for international terrorists. it is our solidarity that keeps our nations safe. and when our open and free societies come under attack, we stand up for our values and our way of life. that is why a strong nato is good for europe and good for north america. the 9/11 and article v memorial will be a daily reminder of our vital bond and today we will commit to do more in our common struggle against terrorism. so, mr. president, it is a great honor to have you here and a great honor to give you the floor. please.
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>> president trump: thank you very much, secretary general, chancellor merkel, i thank you very much, other heads of state and government. i am honored to be here with members of alliance that has promoted safety and peace across the world. prime minister may, all of the nations together here today grieve with you and stand with you. i would like to ask that we now observe a moment of silence for the victims and families of the savage attack which took place in manchester.
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thank you. terrible thing. this ceremony is a day for both remembrance and resolve. we remember and mourn those nearly 3,000 innocent people who were brutally murdered by terrorists on september 11, 2001. our nato allies responded swiftly and decisively invoking for the first time in its history the article v collective defense commitments. the recent attack on manchester and the united kingdom demonstrates the depth of the evil we face with terrorism. innocent little girls and so many others were horribly
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murdered and badly injured while attending a concert, beautiful lives with so much great potential, torn from their families forever and ever. it was a barbaric and vicious attack upon our civilization. all people who cherish life must unite in finding, exposing and removing these killers and extremists. and yes, losers. they are losers. wherever they exist in our societies, we must drive them out and never, ever let them back in. this call for driving out terrorism is a message i took to a historic gathering of arab and muslim leaders across the region hosted by saudi arabia.
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there i spent much time with king salman, a wise man who wants to see things get much better rapidly. the leaders of the middle east have agreed at this unprecedented meeting to stop funding the radical ideology that leads to this horrible terrorism all obe. my travels and meetings have given me renewed hope that nations of many faiths can unite to defeat terrorism, a common threat to all of humanity. terrorism must be stopped in its tracks or the horror you saw in manchester and so many other places will continue forever. you have thousands and thousands of people pouring into our various countries and
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spreading throughout, an in many cases we have no idea who they are, we must be tough, we must be strong, and we must be vigilant. the nato of the future must include a great focus on terrorism and immigration, as well as threats from russia and our nato's eastern and southern borders. these grave security concerns are the same reason that i have been very, very direct with secretary and members of the alliance in saying that nato members must finally contribute their fair share and meet their financial obligations. but 23 of the 28 member nations are still not paying what they should be paying and what they
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are supposed to be paying for their defense. this is not fair to the people and taxpayers of the united states. and many of these nations owe massive amounts of money from past years and not paying in those past years. over the last eight years, the united states spent more on defense than all other nato countries combined. if all nato members had spent just 2% of their gdp on defense last year, we would have had another $119 billion for our collective defense and for the financing of additional nato reserves. we should recognize that with these chronic underpayments and growing threats, even 2% of gdp is insufficient to close the
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gaps in modernizing readiness and the size of forces. we have to make up for the many years lost. 2% is the bare minimum for confronting today's very real and very vicious threats. if nato countries made their full and complete contributions, then nato would be even stronger than it is today, especially from the threat of terrorism. i want to extend my appreciation to the 9/11 memorial and museum in new york for contributing this remnant of the north tower, as well as to chancellor merkel and the german people, for donating this portion of the berlin wall. it is truly fitting that these two artifacts now reside here
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so close together at the new nato headquarters. and i never asked once what the new nato headquarters cost. i refuse to do that. but it is beautiful. each one marks a pivotal event in the history of this alliance and in the eternal battle between good and evil. on one side a testament to the triumph of our ideals over a totalitarian communist ideology bent on the oppression of millions of people. on the other, a painful reminder of the barbaric evil that still exists in the world and that we must confront and defeat together as a group, as a world. this twisted mass of metal reminds us not only of what we
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have lost, but also what forever endures, the courage of our people, the strength of our resolve and the commitments that bind us together as one. we will never forget the lives that were lost. we'll never forsake the friends who stood by our side and we will never waiver in our determination to defeat terrorism and to achieve lasting security, prosperity and peace. thank you very much. it's a great honor to be here. thank you. [applause] >> bill: he is direct, he is a disruptor and that is part of the main reason he was elected last november. this was a striking comment by president donald trump standing in front of all nato leaders there at their brand-new shiny
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headquarters there in brussels, belgium. talking about this is not fair based on the contribution. the financial commitments on behalf of nato countries, said to be 29 in early june. this is not fair to taxpayers of the united states. he called out the massacre in manchester repeating his line from the other day they are losers. talking about the depths of evil, beautiful lives torn forever from their families and encouraging all leaders to be tough and strong and you contrast that with the message from angela merkel before him. it is not isolation and building of walls that make us successful but open societies that share the same values. and therein lies the debate. how do you have an open society while at the same time keeping your people safe in the current war against this islamic threat? with that as a back drop shannon has more now. >> shannon: we want to bring in nick burns, former u.s.
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ambassador to nato. ambassador, you are keenly familiar with this conversation about calling on these other nations to pay up and be part of this. the president, we knew he would bring it up. wasn't sure he would do it during this dedication but he made a remark about beautiful the headquarters were and not asking what it cost suggesting the u.s. footed the bill for it. do you expect him to bring it up so publicly here? >> i think president trump was right to bring up the fact that many of our european allies, the majority, aren't paying enough. aren't covering enough of their defense spending. every american presidents has raised it. he was right to raise it. identifying with the british people after the attack in manchester were appropriate. i thought there was a missed opportunity. he needs to be the leader of nato and the leader of the west.
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it was a solemn ceremony to dedicate this new headquarters. he only fleetingly in two or three words condemned the threat from russia. what's on the minds of those european leaders behind him? vladimir putin invading countries in eastern europe. they need american leadership to contain the russians and the president barely mentioned that. i was american ambassador on 9/11 to nato. i remember when all the europeans came to our defense. they all went into afghanistan, they've been fighting terrorism with us in afghanistan and elsewhere. and no mention of that by president trump. no kind of big hearted thanks to the europeans. he is not succeeding at becoming the leader that ronald reagan was or that bill clinton or john f. kennedy or dwight eisenhower. he needs to speak with more sophistication with an audience like the european leaders behind him. >> shannon: it comes four months into the start of his
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president. for president reagan his first big international trip was two years into his first term. do you think this president will grow into the role about being the leader here? there could be tense conversations with some of these leaders once they leave this public ceremony today. >> i hope he will. because we all want president trump to succeed. i think what the europeans i've just come from europe. they are oef a little puzzled. when they hear secretary tillerson and mattis in europe. there is clarity and forcefulness in the united states opposing russia and they're not hearing that from president trump. so there is a gap between the president and his cabinet officers and what the europeans are hearing. i think president trump needs to speak more like his secretary of state and secretary of defense. >> shannon: he has been critical because of the way
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they have handled their migrant crisis and having the free flow of borders. it seems as if his cabinet members have had part of the conversation, he has had the other part of the conversation that has been very critical. >> and that's i think unfortunate. because every past republican president has believed that the united states has an obligation to take in immigrants and refugees. every republican president in the last 70 years has done that. we have the world's greatest humanitarian crisis now, the crisis in syria, 12 million homeless and president trump's position is that he will take in no syrian refugees. that i think is contrary to the interests of our country. contrary to the values of both of our political parties. it's another reason why the europeans, who have borne the brunt of this, want more help from the united states. >> shannon: that travel ban 2.0 caught up in the courts was a pause on those refugees. we'll watch and see. ambassador burns, thank you for your time. >> thank you so much.
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>> bill: he said he was direct with the secretary general of nato and he was direct in his address there. more analysis with bret baier and steven hayes. it reminded me a little of the inauguration speech in washington he didn't hold back. >> bill: i appreciated ambassador burns' comments but this is president trump. he is unique and different. he was elected because he is different. and the people who elected him say they expect him to shake things up. and when these countries have not been paying their 2%, not only for the year but for all these previous years, could he say that in private? yes. does he say it in public and makes a big splash? yes. and does he do it in a very trumpian way joking that he never asked the cost of the new building? yes. but that was a written speech in which there was a
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remembrance of -- moment of silence for manchester and those killed. standing by prime minister theresa may in every way possible acknowledging chancellor merkel, and -- but with some harsh words in there. this is president trump. and that is his delivery and him shaking things up. >> bill: i'm reminded that so often we in the media live in our own echo chamber. i asked a lot of people in ohio how is trump doing? so many said he is our best chance, steve. and others who voted for him and supported him, questioned some of the decisions he makes and how he does it but nonetheless the theme that seemed to come back repeatedly is that he is not a politician. and he is not going to do it the same way everybody else has. i think this was a perfect example of that that we just watched in brussels, steve. >> i think you're right. we've seen some polling that
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suggests some erosion in trump's base here at home but if you look at what he is asking nato members to do, he is asking them simply to make good on commitments that they've already made and that they made voluntarily. i don't know how that's controversial in the least. i'm seeing the snark from reporters covering him and those back here in the united states. this is not a controversial thing to ask people to actually pay what they've committed to pay. i'm sort of baffled by it. but this might be one other example of the phenomenon that the university of virginia professor describes as trump exceptionalism. reporters leap to conclusion because donald trump is doing it must be new and different. in this case i think trump is in his rights to be making these requests and odd if he gave a speech and didn't do that. >> bill: i was looking for the information here, just so you know of the 28 countries, 5 countries in nato met the 2%
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gdp goal. the united states, united kingdom, greece, poland and estonia. go ahead, bret. >> president obama an n an interview with the atlantic said he hates free riders talking about people who are just free riding. this is an issue back in the obama administration. as i mentioned before defense secretary roberts gates had a problem with these countries not paying the 2% they promised. when i covered the pentagon rumsfeld had a problem and confronted them directly in these nato meetings and different meetings around the world. it has happened time and time again but the countries still have never paid. guess what? some of these countries are now paying. in part because president trump is mentioning it in public. it may feel bad and may be awkward but there is something happening. >> bill: a means to an end is how he would argue that.
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you're very right, bret. he did not hold back. steve, how do you think, if we can reverse our discussion here and put yourself in the seat of these european leaders. do they like this blunt talk? how did they react to it? do they react to it? >> i'm sure they don't like the blunt talk, nobody likes to be scolded in public as you are standing there unable to respond. but it's a necessary message. i think he is totally within his rights to make the argument that he did. i would expect that they wouldn't like the public scolding but they might respond well to it. sometimes you have to be tough. you have to be harsh and a little undiplomatic to change the way things are done. if that's the result here, i think it's a good one. i think donald trump should pick up on the argument he made here and talk more about what
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the europeans are getting in this alliance. why it's so important that they contribute their fair share, that they embrace the cause of the alliance. that they step up their participation in anti-jihadist combat around the world. he can do a better job of laying those things out and making it clear what they are getting and why -- reminding them why they're in the alliance. >> bill: this is a photo op. the nato ambassadors did agree for the western military alliance to go ahead and join the u.s.-led coalition which there are 68 countries in a battle against isis in syria and iraq that would pave the way for a formal endorsement by the leaders there on the blue carpet. >> shannon: that's significant as they disburse now. that's the way to get a photo organized and done. in the meantime i want to ask you about the fact the president did mention russia
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but as ambassador burns noted it was a brief mention. these countries want to hear more about that and what the u.s. is going to do. what do you make there was a mention but was it enough? >> i think there will be analysis of that, of how much needed to be said. clearly the statement was made that russia needs to be pushed back if you will, i forget the exact line he uses there. that is a concern to the ambassador's point for the nations most concerned about russia's aggression and like he did in georgia, vladimir putin could cross the line again in another country. and that's what that article v is all about. >> bill: newt gingrich writes in the the "washington post". i encourage you the read it. trying to put a summation on this trip overseas and he basically frames it as a call to arms. but one line in there really sticks out and that is the principled realism was the way president trump phrased it earlier that is based on a
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clear-eyed view of america's interests, security and limits. steve, i think the last word is very important. the limits of american reach, influence, power, logistics, be it financial or otherwise. president trump is there to make the point we've done a lot of heavy lifting and now it's time to get something else in return. steve, final word. >> i think if you look back on this trip, what president trump has provided is the moral clarity particularly in the 9/11 wars that was missing during the obama administration. >> bill: thank you. steven hayes and bret baier with us as we watch the nato leaders there file out of the outdoor area and into a meeting there at nato headquarters. we'll follow his trip as we go forward throughout the day. tomorrow is the g-7 in italy. so this tour rolls on with
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deliberate intent at every stop. >> shannon: it does. as the president continues and wraps up we'll follow every step of it. all of it live again tomorrow. it's not letting up. it's changing the conversation. >> bill: have a good thursday, everybody. "happening now" starts now and our coverage continues on the fox news channel. >> jenna: fox news alert. president trump with a stirring message for nato. >> leland: nice to be with you and nice to be with you here at home. this is a climactic day for president trump's overseas trip as he pushes the agenda with nato and european leaders that our allies need to pay more for shared security and sump pump their fight against terrorism. the >> nato members must finally contribute their fair share and meet their financial obligation


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