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specialists" ," the dow well off the lows. let's kick it off for "the fox news specialists." >> eboni: i'm eboni care williams with kat timpf and marc stein. this is the fox news specialist specialists. the nuclear crisis with north korea becoming more and more of a pressure cooker. after his bow to respond to new north korean provocations with fire and fury, president trump touted the strength of the u.s. nuclear arsenal. secretary of defense james mattis released a statement saying "the dprk should cease any consideration of actions that would lead to the end of its regime and the destruction of its people. "secretary of state rex tillerson attempted to bring a sense of calm while heading to
guam earlier today. which north korea has threatened with the tax. >> i think americans should sleep well at night. no concerns about this particular rhetoric over the last few days. nothing that i've seen and nothing that i know of would indicate the situation has dramatically changed in the last 44 hours. >> eboni: this afternoon, state department spokeswoman heather nauert spoke about the crisis. >> the united states is on the same page, whether it's the white house, state department, department of defense, we are speaking with one voice. the world is speaking with one voice. let's consider what is alarming. what is alarming, two icbm tests and less than a month. two nuclear tests last year, it's a big deal what's going on. it's a concern to the world not just the united states.
those are alarming actions, provocative actions on the part of north korea. >> eboni: mark, the spokeswoman sang one voice but i think lots of people across america today are hearing a little bit of a dual message, hearing a much more reserved, measured response from rex tillerson. something very different from president trump. >> mark: i don't really mind the fire and fury stuff. being nice and diplomatic about a one man psycho has not worked for the last 20 years which is why we are in the situation we're in. trump's name, north korea should never have gotten to go nuclear and the trick now is whatever he does with north korea is going to be the template that's applied to iran and sued on -- sudan, and yemen. if fire and fury doesn't work, nothing else has worked. if it does, that's something that's changed.
>> eboni: kat, didn't feel like two different messages for you? >> kat: it felt like very different messages. i hear something like fire and fury and i worry it could provoke north korea. it might cause harm. i think tillerson said what he said. makes you feel better. it's almost opposite. >> eboni: do you think it is good cop, bad cop? today specialists, former cia officer, current president of diligence llc, consultant and writer for the television and film industry. specializes in global crises. what a perfect day. we need you, mike baker is here. he is a former white house republican congressional staffe staffer, former intern for david letterman. currently the host of the chris stigall show on 1210 in philly.
specializes in analyzing the state of politics and comedy. chris stigall is here. i appreciate the three-piece suit. >> chris: after this, i go to my job at wells fargo. i'm just happy i'm wearing pant pants. >> eboni: thanks for classing it up. your specialty, it's a perfect day. a lot of people across the country to be not sure what to feel, what to believe, how serious is it? is north korea actually nuclear? >> mike: mark is right when he talks about the fact that restrained talk, diplomatic language, and appeasement policy of the past, almost 25 years, got us to to this point. this point being where north korea has realized its ambitions of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles. we have that going for us. >> eboni: from my collars on
my radio show, rex tillerson kind of pushback, saying maybe north korea is not nuclear but you are saying -- >> mike: they have managed to exceed expectations. the dia assessment, defense intelligence agency assessment, they tend to be thoughtful and conservative in their assessments. i would take them at almost at their word at this point. their latest assessment. do they have the reentry capability? they could put a miniaturized weapon, they have that come onto a ballistic missile. can it survive reentry? that's the least of the left they have to go through. i find it interesting, the fire and fury conversation and the fact that in this situation, the least of our problems right now is president trump's verbiage. if i might add, bill clinton,
during his administration, and appoint -- he stated if they north korean regime chooses to use nuclear weapons, that will be the end of north korea. >> eboni: you stole my floater floater. >> mike: sorry about that. you shouldn't leave your papers lying around. >> eboni: chris, i agree with mike. the verbiage and the rhetoric is the least of the problems. the reality of so many administrations have failed to have any action at all around north korea so the options are limited. >> chris: this is exactly where i think so many trump voters were excited about a guy named "mad dog." in my view, general mattis is a guy who needs to do exactly what he did today, and here's a headline from "the new york post" "stand out or we will destroy you. i think president trump could say nothing and let mattis do the heavy lifting.
i've clearly got guys in my corner ready to act. >> kat: i think the rhetoric makes a huge difference. it sounded like he was potentially drawing a red line, saying if you threaten us again, fire and fury means to do something about it. and they said yeah, we are going to get guam. does that mean we look like we are bluffing? it's not rhetorical but the rhetoric itself, the actual implications. >> eboni: that's a fair point. we can't just be talking for the sake of talking. it has to be backed up with action if were going to put that out there. some people feel like this is president trump dialing it up with the rhetoric and provoking possibly. i don't know. i kind of thing north korea being the provocateur here. >> kat: of course they are. us versus north korea. >> mark: they just threatened to nuke guam and we are arguing
about whether the president is being mean-spirited. what's the point? guam is just a territory. if it was an actual state, we would get serious? when you were talking about the callers on your radio show, we are splitting hairs. can they nuke guam or cleveland? there is no point arguing we are on the continuum we are. >> chris: it's getting little coverage, nobody wants to think about it, much like we didn't want to think about north korea developing this capability which is if you allow a nation to do what they want to do, and we did over a period of years. foreign policy didn't work. they will reach their end game and you shutdown your options. we are in the same position, and i will that a three-piece suit, chris, that we will be having the same conversation about iran
prior to the next presidential election. we have to be very careful about how we deal with this right now. we don't want to be bellicose. i agree with you about the verbiage of the rhetoric. words have to mean something. we have to understand that aside from sanctions, aside from being aggressive now, it's time to stop being overly diplomatic with china. we have to be very aggressive with china in explaining this is one of those occasions where we have mutual shared interests. we have to think very seriously about the very few options we have from a military perspectiv perspective. >> eboni: do you think this moment is the indicator of what national security under president trump's going to feel like and look like and sound like? >> mike: we are here because of the last handful of administrations. >> eboni: sure.
iran, all of these others -- >> mike: president trump is sitting in the chair at a point where north korea and miss past efforts and also coming up, iran is going to come to fruition from their perspective. >> chris: china really seems to have been missing this discussion so far. where do they come down on this? >> mark: it suits china to have north korea where it is. it's suits -- north korea suits every other nation because it sending the crazy countries in the world of which there are dozens, the message that if you go nuclear, america can't touch you. that's a bad message. >> eboni: they want to play with the big dogs. the engagement makes them feel good. china, they've been the greatest enablers of north korea's ability to get to this level.
continued efforts to engage them, play along. at what point do we have to stop that? >> mike: we can't stop it. we have to understand we may be getting to a point, and china is signaling with the vote over the weekend, for the u.s. draft and resolution they realize there's a shift, a problem. they are starting to say yes, it was in their advantage to enable north korea for a long time. it may not be in their advantage now come in the short term. i think we will see, if we are smart annoying play china, i think we will see them come to the table with a different mindset. >> chris: would it be taking japan aside and saying what can we do help you? avr view, strengthening the neighbors. maybe china takes interest then. >> mike: that's the difficult part. we talk about it's this or that, this or that. it's all these things. it's the sanctions, working with
china, dealing with our allies, getting the missile defense system back in south korea. they have a progressive president to put the kibosh on it. a nuclear weapons term, kibosh. >> kat: i agree. >> mark: the problem, when you say can't we persuade japan to militarize? we have at the ridiculous situation where the world's wealthiest nations can't defend themselves an absolute economic basket cases whose gdp is barely measurable are becoming nuclear powers. how long do you think that arrangement is going to last? >> kat: we can defend ourselves. >> mark: japan can't. australia, may be. new zealand good. that part of the world, those wealthy countries. >> kat: i don't think anyone is saying this is a good situation. i don't pick it's that surprising. we have seen it -- we've seen
north korea act like this. when we respond by sanctioning and grounding them, it doesn't make you feel respected. makes you feel like a child and they are lashing out with temper tantrums. >> mike: we have always had a carrot and stick approach. they rattled the cage, we do something. they get something in return, or china get something in return. the problem is here we are. we are at the end of the road. they've got what they want essentially. they gave has changed. we can't continue that process unless we're willing to say we don't care if kim has weapons that are capable of reaching the u.s. if we are okay with that, then fine. let's step back and focus of the things. >> eboni: you said it's about the smart play in china. what is that? >> mike: our interest in china's interests rarely
intersect. here they do, you would imagine. i think what we need to do, and i'm sure it's happening even as we speak. a lot goes on off the radar screen that we don't know about. we need to sit down with the authorities in china and in no uncertain terms say we can either wrap this up with a military confrontation that's going to be devastating to the peninsula and to you. they are right there. or we can find a way to resolve this. whether that means regime change, fostered by the chinese authorities, whether it means some type of effort with unification. with the chinese authorities right there. who knows? >> eboni: the fbi raids the virginia home of former trump campaign chair men paul manafor manafort.
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raid of paul manafort's virginia home. fox news confirms that on july 26, agents executed a search warrant. according to "the washington post," the fbi agents work with special counsel robert mueller. eboni, they don't really give out warrants for no reason. >> eboni: there is a requirement, probable cause. it felt a little aggressive. arrayed? really? paul manafort and his legal team has so they are cooperating. that felt a bit dramatic. you have to have a probable cause requirement. for a judge to issue a search warrant. >> kat: why the predawn thing? sounds intense. >> mike: not something you
want in the morning. a knock at the door. standing there in your hoodie footie or whatever you wear. he has been providing documentation to intel committees, senate and congressional. it's interesting, although sometimes it's a little pro forma. if i'm going to be doing the raid on manafort, i'm looking for limited things. tax records, foreign bank accounts. those of the sort of things the bureau would be doing. these guys are great. i have a tremendous amount of respect for the fbi. i have no problems with the fbi doing an objective investigation. i am comfortable with that. i have no idea about mueller.
>> mark: with all due respect to eboni's former profession, there's another reason why they do this. i find u.s. federal justice somewhat more malodorous than mike does. they have to turn a couple number two and number three guy guys. cooperation. you kick the guy's front door down at 4:00 in the morning, go through his house, you find something you can use to turn him. who do they want to turn him against? trump. i don't necessarily feel -- and with all due respect to your former profession, these nice phrases like probable cause. >> eboni: pesky constitutional requirements.
>> mark: how required it is when the fbi want to go knocking on your door at four in the morning. i don't necessarily think this means paul manafort is -- >> eboni: i don't think anyone thinks that. >> chris: everything this white house does is leaked in an instant. how bizarre that this comes out now. i find that profoundly bizarre. also donald trump kicked manafort out some time ago because of this thing. and comey himself said if there is something going on as it relates to russia, let's get to the bottom of it. this continues to be a cloud of russian conspiracy surrounding trump but it's been 21 has done something, i feel like trump pushed all along, let's get to the bottom of it. manafort hasn't been tied to trump for many months. >> mike: i agree. the mechanics of it, you're
always looking for leverage on potential witnesses. who knows what they're looking for. it would be speculation to say but if they are going in there, it's highly likely they are looking for information related to payments from foreign countries. >> mark: he has done business with russia for 20 years. you can't do business with russia for 20 years without doing something that falls afoul of some technical regulation in the united states. >> eboni: even if that's true, that doesn't put donald trump on the line for it. >> kat: wonder whether paul manafort would take the fall for whatever happens. he was the campaign manager, he was at the height of the speculation. now he has the raid on his hous house. >> chris: in any normal news cycle we would've known about that same morning it happened. why are we finding out about it today?
kudos to those people who knew about it and were able to keep their yap shut. somebody leaked, and usually leaking as a product of timing. >> mark: the entire scaramucci reign as communications directo director. the only thing the trump administration -- >> eboni: pretty unremarkable. this makes sense, they are cooperating. the middle of the morning knocked, it feels dramatic. >> mike: i like how he referred to the scaramucci reign, as though it was an era. >> kat: coming up, good news for an immigration bill backed by president trump. major surge in the crackdown against illegal immigration. don't go away. mike and i are both veterans,
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>> mark: president trump's crackdown on illegal immigration cranking out. new government data, 31% combined spike in removal orders and voluntary departures. compared to the same period last year. jim coincides with positive news for an immigration plan. according to a new poll by politico, 61% of voters support a proposed points system for potential legal immigrants. criteria such as english proficiency, work skills. i stumbled on the word proficiency.
you are an immigrant to this great land. did you come in the official wa way? >> mike: i was airdropped in. i am from somewhere else. i still have my dual citizenshi citizenship. i'm conflicted on this. i have a great appreciation for what immigration is done for this country and continues to do. at the same time, i am a law and order guide. i don't see necessarily why it creates all the angst to say i am in favor of immigration. but i'm in favor of orderly immigration. i don't know where that line is. it's way above my pay grade. when they start talking about simply, here is where i think i can speak best. the kerfuffle over better
vetting, potential people command from war-torn states, chaotic states. that made perfect sense. step back, do a review of how we process people. we have a right to know who's coming to this country. >> eboni: i say we have an obligation. >> mark: chris, this is beyond that. this shows 61% of people in this country, half the people want a reduction in legal immigration. >> chris: i know you take calls on your radio show, mark, and i do too. something i have found, blue-collar democrats, working-class democrats, particularly those on construction sites i deeply, deeply concerned about illegal immigrants taking their work and undercutting their wages. this is such a winning issue across the board in labor sectors. i think that's what pushes it.
people who are skilled and maybe unskilled labor who feel their jobs and wages are being dropped like a rock. >> kat: it's a misconception that immigrants come here and take things. they don't -- adding workers the economy grows the economy. we talk about illegal immigration. most economists agree is not a good idea to cut that in half, especially when we have so many job openings in the united states right now. i understand it's easy to think if they are taking the jobs, there's not going to be a job for me. it's much more complicated than that. speak out you don't think guys are being loaded up at home depot to work on construction sites. >> kat: >> eboni: that's one nae narrative. there's another part of immigration that also happens. you don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. we can absolutely have a secure border. we can vet who comes into the country from a war-torn situation and we can absolutely
fix a broken legal immigration system that makes sure america gets the best and brightest from across the globe. >> mark: are you in favor of that? english-speaking, australian style points system? >> eboni: i think we have to watch some of the requirements. don't want to limit what could be otherwise bright and important talents that could have an economic benefit just because someone doesn't speak english. there could be more variations there. >> kat: i didn't speak english the moment i entered the united states. i was born here but i didn't speak it. >> mark: america didn't have a choice. if you arrive in a maternity ward. >> kat: when i arrived here, no idea. >> mark: it's the people we get to choose. this is the thing, everyone who is pro-immigration tends to be pro-immigration for sentimental reasons. >> kat: for me it's economic
reasons. 5.7 million job openings and a lot of them are low skilled wor work. >> mark: that are going to be replaced by automation. >> mike: it's more complex and i think kat is right. it's not like there is a finite number of jobs. it's a more complex issue. i agree 100%, there is no reason we can't fix this and fix it in a proper and humane way. immigration is important. >> mark: mike and i are going to be the first to self deport. president trump is firing back at mitch mcconnell for saying he has "excessive expectations." new polling showcasing americans' growing anger with congress. ♪ ♪ award winning interface.
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>> eboni: welcome back to "the fox news specialists." our specialists today are mike baker and chris stigall. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is feeling the heat after criticizing president trump during remarks at a rotary club in kentucky. >> our new president has not been in this line of work befor before. and i think had excessive expectations about how quickly things happen. in the democratic process, and so part of the reason i think people feel like we are underperforming is because too many kind of artificial deadlines, unrelated to the reality or the complexity of legislating may not have been fully understood. >> eboni: as you might imagine, getting a sharp reply from president trump who tweete
tweeted: "senator mitch mcconnell said i had "excessive expectations," but i don't think so. after 7 years of hearing repeal and replace, why not done?" helping highlight that point, new poll from "cbs news" shows nearly nine in ten u.s. adults think the current congress isn't getting much done. new poll from gallup shows 16% of republicans approve of the job congress is doing, down from 50% in february. mark steyn, talked about arbitrary timelines. isn't seven years a nice, healthy timeline? >> mark: i would like to wrap up the two great issues. i would like to drop mitch mcconnell on the presidential palace in pyongyang and i would like whoever it was running kim jong-un's nuclear program to be the senate majority leader because he gets things done in leaps and bounds. that's the kind of guy. people are sick of hearing from the republican side where
nothing can be done. it is not like that when the democrats are in control. >> eboni: people felt like president obama, his first two years, a democrat-controlled house, senate, and he's in the white house. not a ton got done. he saw what obstruction look like in the last six years of his presidency. president trump has it all right now and why is not more getting done? >> mike: it was put on the gas. mcconnell, takes a lot of stones to go home after taking august off and saying these things take time. it's the audacity of taking august off and saying these things take time. >> kat: it's like gas lighting because to say that president trump is the one that had these unrealistic expectations. everyone in congress, the republicans ran on it. they were saying vote for us. we will repeal and replace.
to say it was president trump, no, he said it yourself and you didn't follow through. >> chris: how many times have you heard people say rank and file democrats wouldn't cross nancy pelosi, harry reid. how many times have you seen people say don't cross mitch mcconnell? >> mike: he is like steven sobol. with all due respect to senator mcconnell, i love the fact that people said he people have the perception they are underperforming. it's because they are underperforming. every time you listen to a congressman or senator, it also always "they." at what point you just say that's it. throw the bums out. >> mark: this is why trump is the president. people got sick of this kind of republican party. that's why jeb's into president,
that's why lindsey graham isn't president. i don't know what mitch mcconnell and those guys do when they get to the senate at 9:00 in the morning and what do they do. >> kat: they have breakfast. they have lunch. >> chris: they have a nice gym gym. >> eboni: it is these republicans who told president trump we have the votes. we're going to have it passed. they told him to start with this, wait on tax reform, weight on infrastructure. somebody can't count. >> mike: if they can't get this done, then they are going to get slaughtered in 2018 and they frankly deserve it because of how inept they appear to be. at the same time, it's all of
them, not just republicans. it's the dysfunctionality of washington. >> mark: democrats just decided they were going to hammer obamacare down your throat whether you wanted it and they did it. and they've backed that republicans wouldn't be able to get it together. >> chris: i want trump to start tweeting he's going to rain fire on mitch mcconnell. >> kat: i don't want that. >> eboni: trump administration considering a controversial proposal to privatize most of the war in afghanistan. could it help turn the stalemate into a victory? we'll be right back.
>> there are still americans dying. any american wants to figure out a way to cauterize this wound. 16 years is enough. we have another trillion dollars in health care costs we are going to owe so let's bring it to a close. people might not like the idea of using contractors prevent. let's get used to that idea. it's better than having american soldiers there endlessly. are you going to be having this conversation and another ten years? >> kat: baker, i'm going to go to you. >> mike: give it to erik prince and the private contractor world we won't be having this conversation in ten years. they are going to stay there as long as possible. full disclosure. i have a intelligence and security company. we moved into iraq in 2003, had a large operation. yeah, we made good cash off of
that. i think at the end of the day, the contractors, and we were at the very beginning of this. we were there when they were trained to form a private contractor association. what does it mean, what other rules of engagement? the survey support function. if we decide being in afghanistan is important, it's a job for the u.s. military. use private contractors to provide support logistically and information support, security support. but to turn it over, and i saved as being in the commercial world of security and intelligence, turning it over to private contractors i think would be a serious mistake. >> eboni: i think that is incredible integrity. it's a stand-up argument and analysis from an objective standpoint. >> chris: you do not have the kind of rules the united states military has which are historically hamstringing them.
in the field. is there an element of not being hamstrung where you could close the sale and finish the job as a private contractor? >> mike: no, you're going down the wrong path. i understand what you're saying but that's the wrong path. if we decide, and we've all been in afghanistan longer than anybody wanted to be, and we should have seen this coming. we never seem to learn from history, we spent a great deal of time try to get the soviets out of there. if you had said the u.s. is going to be here for 16 years, everyone would've thought you were crazy. >> mark: it is crazy. it suggests to me that the american way of war does need rethinking. this is not the way to do it. the nato occupation in afghanistan is responsible for 98% of that country's gdp. a prominent australian politician said to me last year
that the problem when he was there, there's a crusade mentality. everyone is locked up in the faces, enjoying dunkin' donuts and burger king. outside, the crazy guys are running around. if you sub contract the war, and that's all you'll get nothing else. you have to get out or rethink the way you fight it. >> eboni: what does winning in afghanistan look like? >> kat: i think it's impossible. >> mike: they don't know we are trying to sell them. all these years and all the blood was spilled, the afghan people don't have a clue, some pseudo-federal system of government. what are you talking about? we suffered from this desire to do better and do the right thing, and god bless america because we do want to do it. we make a mistake, self-correct. in afghanistan, i'm here to tell
you, at the outset of that, when we finished that exercise in tora bora and started doing other things and then we had a presence in afghanistan, one of my first hires in my company was a russian who was in the military. he had been in afghanistan with the soviet occupation forces. he was still carrying shrapnel around. he said that was a great effort in tora bora. now get out. they are like cockroaches. you step up them here, and they come up over here. you never get rid of them. we are making the same mistakes because we want to do better. >> mark: nobody wants afghanistan as a colony. the russians didn't, the british didn't. the americans decided they were going to do it. >> kat: conversations surround afghanistan have to surround getting out. we have to say goodbye to our specialists, mike baker and chris stigall. thank you for joining us. up next, "wait, what." don't go away. you always pay your insurance on time.
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>> kat: i have heard you can't get reservations. >> eboni: it is sold out, dead serious. cheeto tacos. >> mark: and its booked out. >> eboni: forget about it. not happening. >> kat: i have an animal video video. little koala, walks in, he kind of behaves like a human. it's very cute. he's looking for things and everyone is taking pictures. i think that's very nice because look. he's shopping, seems like a shopping just like we would. he didn't find anything. >> mark: i had a stuffed koala
when i was a kid. i'm depressed now. that's all the time we have. thank you for watching. make sure to follow us on social media. fncspecialists on twitter and facebook. remember, 5:00 will never be the same. "special report" starts now. >> bret: the first indication of an american preemptive attack, the army of north korea will turn the u.s. mainland into the theater of a nuclear war. that from the north korean state run television after president trump's warning of fire and fury if the north keeps threatening the u.s. welcome to washington. i am bret baier. as the rhetoric gets hotter, the president's top diplomat trying to tone it down. rex tillerson in guam, a u.s. territory and potential north korean target, trying to be the voice of calm. suggesting north korea should engage in a dialogue with