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tweet me and shannon bream is like a broadway star now. she's doing to a day. two shows a day. she does special report and then she does the fox news at night at 11:00 p.m. you've got vaudeville, broadway, take your pick. you do it all. >> shannon: i can't dance, but i do a mean puppet show. >> laura: i've seen you dance. shannon, you danced on friday nights and you are a great dancer. >> shannon: i have my own style, we will leave it at that. how about that? >> laura: have a great show. >> shannon: thank you so much. here's what we have coming up tonight. >> i guarantee that there is no political influence in any investigation conducted by the justice department or the fbi. >> president obama in 2016. it now newly released text messages between a pair of fbi agents are raising the questions about the former president's statement. catherine herridge separates facts from fiction and ben shapiro weighs in.
plus, is a minority leader nancy pelosi holding all the cards of the house? trying to put the brakes on the senate deal to keep the government funded unless she gets a deal on daca. chad pilgrim joins us with late-breaking details from capitol hill. and then president trump marching orders. it will he get a military parade? peter doocy has that story. ♪ >> shannon: hello and welcome to "fox news @ night." i'm shannon bream in washington. another day of breaking news here in d.c., from fbi tax that now involve president obama, to outspend that memo that can -- confirms -- and even more. first, in another troubled fbit released today, new concerns about what a couple of rogue agents may have been up to, and questions about the involvement of president obama in the time leading up to the 2016 election. second, midnight tomorrow, that
is when the federal government stops being funded again, and could very possibly shut down for the second time in three weeks. third, we're looking ahead to 2020, which is certainly what a handful of potential democratic presidential hopefuls are doing as well. a prominent new name in the mix tonight. we've got fox team coverage. our senior capitol hill producer chat program is standing by to keep us up to the minute on the new shutdown showdown. ed henry reports on joe biden's visit to washington. and will former attorney general eric holder drawn him to? first, we are learning about just how involved then president obama may have been as the fbi's russia probe expanded in the month leading up to the 2016 20 presidential election. he was chief correspondent catherine herridge. >> those texts. if totally candid, unvarnished. just raisin off a lot of questions. >> republican senator ron johnson's government oversight committee released an interim report including the fbi text messages that draw new
connections to president obama. in september 2016, 2 months after the fbi closed the clinton email case, and two months into the bureau's russia probe, then fbi agent peter strzok texts lisa page using bureau shorthand. talking points for director comey, page replies yes, because potus wants to know everything we are doing. it's not clear whether strzok and page were referring to either investigation or something else. in an interview on "fox news sunday" at the height of the criminal email case, president obama insisted he was not in the loop. >> i do not talk to the attorney general about pending investigations. i do not talk to fbi directors about pending investigations. we have a strict line, and always have maintained it. >> then fbi director comey's 2016 recommendation against criminal charges, the early drafts that emails between clinton and president obama had probably been compromised by hackers. a week before comey publicly
closed the case, strzok and others, including his boss, head of fbi counterintelligence, watered on the language. strzok writes hope so. he changed president to another senior government official. the reference was then removed altogether. after the election, both page and strzok texted about being depressed. in mid-november's page rights i follow the presidents men, figured he needed to brush up on watergate. the next day she follows up. being here makes me angry. if meanwhile, we have our task ahead of us. senate investigators question whether it's a connection to this august text, whether the two discuss an insurance policy. while strzok and page and no longer assigned to the probe, the white house press secretary says their reservations were made. >> it further shows that there is a reason for all of us to have great cause for concern in this process. >> in her april 2016 fbi interview, clinton eight huma
abedin was showing email exchange. she said it had to be classified and then asked for her own copy. shannon. >> shannon: catherine herridge, thank you very much. there is speculation, plenty of it, but with a september 2nd 2016 texts may have been referencing when mentioning president obama's interest. at "the wall street journal" is reporting this. "the associate that mr. strzok and ms. page said that exchange referred to the president wanting information on russia election meddling, which the fbi was heavily involved with in over that period." we will talk more about that and the rest of those texts coming up. meanwhile, former vice president joe biden's cross-country tour on his book included this week a stopper here in washington and the keynote address of the democratic retreat on capitol hill. chief national correspondent ed henry joins us on how 2020 presidential speculation. >> great to see you. interesting that as we learn more shocking details about what
the obama-biden administration was doing out the door in terms of surveillance of people tied to the incoming administration, the former vice president today charged that it's president trump, who in his words is doing great damage to the country. biden rallying house democrats promising he would spend as much as he could the summer and fall helping them try and take back the house and maybe even the senate from republicans in those 2018 midterms. at least one lawmaker urged him to look further ahead, yelling out run, joe, ron. even though biden can be a gaffe machine from time to time, he said no, no, no to talk about the white house even though he sounded like someone who was sharpening his attack lines for a potential 2020 matchup, likening the president to what he called a neighborhood bully and charging he's doing great damage to the country. >> he's in the process of shredding some of our core values. things that institutions that i never thought we would ever be
talking about are in jeopardy. there's an all-out attack on a e guys wearing a striped shirts. the press and the courts. it is a technique that has been used repeatedly throughout history by those who want to clear the field so they are in a position to be able to abuse power. >> you can say biden believes all parties to run hard to the left. the crowd and field of potential democratic senator don my candidates like bernie sanders, harris. there's also been buzz about representative joe kennedy. though his chapstick issue during the official response to the state of the union might have dampened that. eric holder today sold delma told reporters he will decide on a bid by the end of the year, but again, holder was under fire throughout his tenure during the obama administration and at a time when decisions made at the obama justice department and fbi are very much under the microscope. that would make him someone very controversial, let's say, in the general election, shana, but may be the very reason why he fires a people in the left. >> shannon: they will really want to back them on all these
things. he went through an interesting different mix. >> very close to the former president as well. might be whispering in his ear. >> shannon: maybe they join the ticket together. it could happen. biden's address interrupting house minority leader today during her record-breaking speech. >> you guys, you don't have to do that. go ahead. >> shannon: with more on that and all the other happenings on capitol hill today we now are joined by fox news senior capital producer, chad. if something happened in the senate, but the house is very much in plano. do they avoid a shutdown this time tomorrow night? >> this is going to be cutting it close tomorrow night. the government will close at 11:59:59 tomorrow night. the senate has this bill, there seems to be a lot more support in the senate to move this bill which would fund the government through march 23rd and lift the defending caps for both defense and non-defense domestic spending. that's a big deal to get both
democrats and republicans on board. there is no daca in this package. if this will get to the senate probably sometime tomorrow and then it goes to the house of representatives, where the fate is a little less clear. the problem, even though there are those of non-defense spending increases in the bill, is no daca. this is an issue that is near and dear to liberals in the house of representatives and the problem is that liberals in the house are going to have to make up the difference from republicans who are going to vote for the bill. keep in mind, the conservative like the house freedom caucus who are going to oppose this piece of legislation, they say wait a minute, it lists all the spending caps on the things that we don't like, so we are not going to vote for it. usually democrats would have to fill in the void, and that's what people don't know what this boat mixture is going to look like in the house of representatives since there is no daca fix to core democrats. >> shannon: nancy pelosi today setting a record speaking on the house for about daca, but technically there aren't really filibusters on the house i, that's just a senate thing. >> that's right. there's no such thing as a
filibuster, but there is something called a magic minute in the house of representatives. it's a special prerogative but supported to the speaker of the house and other leaders where they can basically speak for as long as they like in the minority leader nancy pelosi took advantage of that, eight hours and 7 minutes. she did it wearing these shoes, stiletto heels, the entire time. she bested the record set by cham clark, former speaker of the house from missouri of 1990. he spoke for five hours and 15 minutes. we don't think he was wearing stilettos, but there were some criticism of pelosi from some members of her caucus saying wait a minute this was just about her. we are afraid you are going to lead us into another government shutdown. meantime, other people were saying wait a minute, she is 78 years old next month and this was solidifying her position among democrats. >> shannon: always on it. we will see if we see her tomorrow night. >> i think we will be here pretty late. i think the senate probably the late afternoon in the house probably close to midnight if not slipping a little bit past
that midnight deadline tomorrow night, the house of representatives. >> shannon: we rely on you to keep us up-to-date. thank you very much as always. president trump is a big fan of parades and of our military and after watching france's bastille day last year he says he wants one here in washington, but a lot of folks not fans to that, they want to rain on the presidents parade. peter doocy joins us now with more on this. good evening, peter. >> good evening. at this afternoon defense secretary james mattis who once had a couple years ago be polite, be professional but have a plan to kill everybody you meet, confirmed that the pentagon is making a different kind of plan at the president's request for a parade. >> i think we are all aware in this country of the president's inspection respect and affection for the military. we've been putting together some options. we will send them up to the white house for decisions. >> it wouldn't be a first. the pentagon pulled up a big parade in d.c. less than 30 years ago to celebrate victory
in the gulf war in 1991. maybe that's the best sneak peek at what the president is trying to organize now. then there were fighter jets flying over, tanks rolling past the monuments and president george h.w. bush watching from a grandstand. before that, some of the largest scale military parades in the u.s. came during the cold war like in 1953 when world war ii hero dwight eisenhower was sworn in as president, or in 1961 when john f. kennedy celebrated his inauguration. but it was the parade in paris that piqued president trump's interest. he visited on bastille day and later said that he likes that france was able to show off their military in just two hours. today senator lindsey graham tweeted his support. he wrote my hope is this parade it will not focus on military hardware, but on military service, sacrifice and saying thank you to those who protect our nation. but some local leaders in d.c., not on board with any of it.
eleanor holmes norton writes this. if a military parade in d.c. would shutdown the nation's capital and waste taxpayer dollars just to feed trump's ego. military analysts aren't sure how a parade would make america look to its enemies. >> we train and we fight, and we bear the burdens all around the world. these other guys do a lot more parading than they do fighting. >> one big thing that is still uncertain, how much a parade like this could cost. >> shannon: don't think it will be cheap. peter doocy, thanks for digging into that story for us. an update on this story we brought you last november. if my cues, this guy a self-declared flat earth believer. he's been trying to launch himself into the sky on a homemade rocket to prove that astronauts have been lying about the shape of our planet. last year the bureau of land management forbid him from launching his rocket on public property and then it broke down. saturday he tried again and we are told his rocket would not ignite. he's not going to give up, so we
will keep you updated on that story. two years ago this month, candidate donald trump set the judge presiding over a lawsuit against trump university would be biased against him because that judge was mexican-american and trump was strong on the border. how is this for an ironic twist this friday. that very same judge, u.s. district judge will hear a case in san diego affecting the trump administration's ability to waive environmental laws in the construction of a border wall. armed police were called to a farm in scotland over the weekend after reports that a tiger was on the loose. once police arrived, and our long standoff ensued with what they thought was a wild beast. it turns out, it was just a big stuffed animal. they had a good laugh and say we appreciate that it was a false call made with genuine good intent. he is making history. lucas moran will be the first baby with down syndrome to win the gerber baby photo contest. out of 140,000 photos, his winning smile stole hearts.
the ceo saying every year which is the baby who best example buys gerber's long-standing heritage of recognizing that every baby is a gerber baby and this year, lucas is the perfect fit. the warren family will receive about $50,000 and his mother's hoping it would help increase acceptance of special needs kids. if you are going to see a whole lot more of lucas for months to come all over gerber's social media platforms. still to come, more on our top story about the newly revealed text messages between peter strzok and lisa page and how they are raising new questions over what role then-president obama might have played in the russia fbi probe. ben shapiro is here live in ways in next. plus, she won more than a half billion dollars by hitting the powerball jackpot, but she may risk her fortune in pursuit of her privacy now. if trace gallagher has that story. and another obama administration officials and set at 2020 run. what is next in his chapter of government's service. we will debate. ♪ liberty mutual stood with me when this guy got a flat tire
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know everything we are doing." that was around the time the fbi was about to end its investigation into hillary clinton and expand its russia probe, so we don't really know what that's referring to. ben shapiro's editor in chief of dailywire.com and a host of the ben shapiro show. quite happy with us. what is your reaction to the new texts? >> it all depends on what the context is. it seems like the original contest people thought it had to do with a quick investigation. now it seems like the opposite, general russian interference in the election, but until we have the context it's hard to know whether this is something important or not. what we do know is that strzok and page were motivated against the president. they didn't like the president. how that manifested in their behavior is something unclear. it's pretty clear that the fbi and the doj were working hand in glove with the top numbers of the obama and administration with regards to the hillary clinton investigation a lot earlier than this when it came to loretta lynch working with james comey. it's hard to believe that a president of the united states the united states would go on national television and say he didn't know anything about the private server at the same time that he was emailing her at her private email address and that
was a serious problem i think for him and for the fbi and for the doj. but as far as the specific text, they may turn out to be nothing, we just don't know it. >> shannon: i want to play a little bit of what he told chris wallace. this is back in april 2016 as a lot of these things were wrapping up. here's what he set about getting involved or not getting involved with the investigation. >> i do not talk to the attorney general about pending investigations. i do not talk about fbi directors about pending investigations. we have a strict line, and always have maintained. >> just about messed up. >> i guarantee it. i guarantee there is no political influence in any investigation conducted by the justice department or the fbi, not just in this case, but in any case. >> shannon: do you take him at his word there? >> no. >> shannon: okay. >> and i didn't take him at his word when he said it and it didn't take him at his word before these texts came out because there were other text from putin and strzok talking
specifically about going easy on hillary clinton because she might be elected president of the united states. this latest round of text, again, seems to be almost irrelevant. i think it's the earlier text that make more of a difference with regards to the hillary investigation. >> shannon: we are getting information that relates to the fisa warrants with regards to the dossier, looking into carter page. it would gotten a lot more information now from this memo that came from senators grassley and graham outlining not only what we have heard in the house, but it seems to add details of that and some texture to that as well. what do you make of those revelations? they don't seem new, but they seem like they seem to bolster the later memo that came out from the house intel committee. >> if they do at some depth of accusation and allegation to the actual memo. what they essentially allege is there are hillary clinton advocates, friends were in libya who were following information to the state department after hillary left, but there were still people she'd worked with. the state department was then funneling that information to
christopher steele who was then practicing that information and handing it over to the fbi. if that's the case it looks like the state department was being used as a go-between for bad information pushed forward by hillary clinton allies, including perhaps sidney blumenthal if trey gowdy's implication means anything. if that's the case, then one of two things could be true. either there could be some sort of corruption inside the fbi, the fbi knew that this was bad info, they didn't check it and they were so out to get the trim campaign they decided to open a fisa warrants on carter page out of suspicion and basically just gin something up. the other possibility is they were actually suspicious of drum, they were actually suspicious of carter page and they decided to cut a few corners and use information they didn't know was completely good in getting the carter page application. if that's the case, if that's what happened, the latter thing, then we actually have a broader problem with fisa applications and fisa courts not just with regard to this specific application. >> shannon: we are all hoping we get those applications some point because it would clear up a lot. meanwhile, you don't think it would be a good idea for the president to sit down with special counsel mueller as he is now moving forward with his
investigation. you said this. you said no lawyer including joe pesci in my cousin vinny with the full on clown velvet suit, which is one of my favorite visuals ever, would allow president trump to get into a room with robert mueller. it would be the height of stupidity to do this, but he is chomping at the bit to do it. you know that. >> of the lawyers have to take them down to the basement of the white house and physically chain him up to prevent him from talking to mueller, i would recommend that be on the table so long as they don't violate his consent in any way because that would be illegal. it would be such a mistake as a lawyer. if it would be such a mistake of assuming like president trump, who likes diplopia, like so exaggerate, who likes to say everything is the biggest, the strongest, the best comedy you just, the most incredible. but that in front of a trained investigator like robert mueller, who was going to sit there and try to pick apart statements. bill clinton was a very good lawyer and a very smart guy when it came to manipulating language and he got caught in a perjury trap by special investigator. it's not hard to see how president trump gets caught in some sort of perjury trap or obstruction drop by the fbi. >> shannon: thank you very much. by the way, i'm going to have to
check out my cousin vinny again this weekend. some of the best courtroom scenes in history. >> absolutely. >> shannon: coming up, a new hampshire woman fighting to keep her identity a secret after winning a $560 million powerball jackpot. but could her fight for privacy end up costing her everything? just days before the opening of the olympic games in south korea, vice president mike pence meets with prime minister shinzo abe in japan, both leaders vowing to keep up the pressure on north korea. much more after the break. ♪
♪ >> shannon: a new hampshire woman who won a half a billion dollars in the powerball jackpot is fighting to remain anonymous, but legally she may have made a really big mistake, and that could mean now a challenge for her. trace gallagher has more. thanks. it may be good advice for the rest of us for when we win the powerball. >> yikes indeed. if the woman who won the $560 million powerball audit was
a brown dome at long-term measurement of new hampshire. if she's well known in the community, she wants to remain anonymous because of safety concerns and so she can walk down the street without being harassed or solicited. here's the problem. when the woman found out she won the lotto, her first instinct was to protect her half billion dollar piece of paper, so she went to the lotto website and follow the rules by putting her name and address on the back of the ticket. she then put the ticket in a safe and called the lawyer. the lawyer told her if she wanted to preserve her privacy she would need to set up a trust and have the trust send the ticket. if but when the attorney asked the new hampshire state lotto if the woman could use a white out to and address, they said no because that would invalidate te ticket. the executive director of the state lottery says he understands that winning the lottery is a life-changing event and he respects with the winner's desire to remain anonymous, but new hampshire has a right to know law and since her name and information is already on the ticket, there's
very little the lottery can do to maintain her anonymity. the woman, who says she made a huge mistake, has now filed a lawsuit asking a judge to withhold her name. but a new york attorney and calls himself the lottery lawyer says that she is facing very long odds in court. watch. >> i think that more likely they will say when you buy a ticket you are waiving your right to privacy, you understand that. they still don't disclose her address, they don't disclose her social security number, financial information. it's really basically her name. >> apparently in merrimack new hampshire, everybody knows your name. the court date by the way it is set for february 21st. when back, she still wins the money. either a lump sum payment of 358 million, or she can spread the payments over 30 years, like 8 million bucks a year and then it goes up from there. >> shannon: how about a new identity? rate? i don't know. trace, thank you very much.
it really interesting case. we will stay on it. openly olympic figure skater adam wants no part in the traditional meet and greet between the official u.s. delegation led by vice president mike pence and u.s. athletes just before the opening ceremony. in a telephone interview with "usa today" newspaper, he said you mean mike pence, the same mike pence that funded gay conversion therapy? i'm not buying it. the fact-checking site snopes said that pens had never publicly advocated gay conversion therapy, but once a part of the use of federal funding to treat people "seeking to change their behavior." the olympian didn't completely close the door saying he would consider meeting with the vice president after he finished competing. the vice president has been busy touring tokyo and touting trump administration sanctions on north korea, but next up on his trip through south asia he participates in an act of diplomacy, leading the u.s. delegation to the pyung chain olympic game correspondent has details. >> 218 koreans arrive today
ahead of the winter olympics, a symbol of the strong diplomatic push by the two countries. but in nearby japan, vice president pence kept the focus firmly on the threat posed by the rogue regime. >> i'm announcing today that the united states of america will soon unveil the toughest and most aggressive round of economic sanctions on north korea ever. and we will continue to isolate north korea until it abandons its nuclear and ballistic missile program. >> vice president pence is the purpose of his trip to asia was to ensure that the north didn't hijack the games. he promised an increase in u.s. military aid. on wednesday, north korea announced that the sister of kim jong un would be part of the olympic delegation. the 28-year-old will be the first immediate kim family member to cross the border since the korean war. skeptics say the north or using the olympics to buy time, advance their missile technology and drive a wedge between south korea and the u.s. >> we are now playing into their
hands because we know what they are up to and we are going right back to our training exercises at after the limericks are over and putting maximum pressure on north korea. >> south korea seem intent on using wii games to each ensign and have already posted a banquet. if vice president pence now heads to south korea, he believed the u.s. delegation in the opening ceremonies on friday. as for speculation that he might meet north korean officials, he said that only he hadn't made a request, that he would see what happens. >> shannon: benjamin hall, thank you very much. a newly declassified criminal referral by senators grassley and graham appear to back up the controversial fisa memo by devin nunes. we will break it all down for you, all details next. and later, eric holder for president? obama's attorney general hinting at possible 2020 run the white house. our political panel is ready to debate that. debate that. ♪ so from the two trucks over here...
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>> shannon: new information tonight on government surveillance tied to the so-called dirty dossier. a newly declassified criminal referral sent by republican senators chuck grassley and lindsey graham appears to mirror the controversial fisa memo written by republicans on the house to intel committee. in their january letter, senators grassley and graham referred christopher steele, the controversial author of the dossier to the fbi for further
investigation. the sender say they reviewed conflicting statements from him. >> there are inconsistencies. it one of two things. either he lied in london, or he lied to the fbi, or the point was that if that did happen, then this is something the fisa judges should know before they issued a warrant to track american citizens. >> shannon: let's talk about it with our own expert constitutional attorney, ed poss wally. ed, great to have you with us. >> good evening, how are you? >> shannon: i'm very good. i've learned some things. there is some additional material in his memo. this is back in january, so this was written well before the house intel committee came up with their own memos that they put together that has now been released publicly. it does talk about the fact that the dossier was in indeed bulk of the fisa applications. we need to get most of it with the dossier.
it sounds like according to the senators, the allegations made by the house, that this dossier that was unverified by the fbi was the majority of what they went to the court with an said this is why we need to be able to track carter page. >> the grassley-graham letter gives us three things that we now know. one, it supports the house memo that was released last week by representative devin nunes. two, that it clearly, the application itself relies heavily on the dossier, which we know is false, uncorroborated, all kinds of issues with that. three, they particularly relied on the credibility of the author of the dossier, mr. steele, without disclosing that mr. steele and the dossier were bought and paid for by the hillary campaign, and represents a real problem. so we can conclude that the fisa court would likely substantially misled by the fbi, and that is a
really big problem putting in context the power and the authority that the fisa court has two surveilled foreign agents and governments when they are dealing with espionage or treason. we don't have any of that here. >> shannon: there is so much we don't know. these applications sometimes are very voluminous. if they would be helpful. i know they would be difficult and plenty of reactions, but i think a lot of folks out there of questions and it would be helpful to see the applications, there were multiple applications. we will have to see. in the meantime, something else in this memo gets to the fact that we were told that steele was passionate about trump ..etpassionate about trump the fbi noted in one of these applications that it had suspended its relationship with mr. steele on october 2016 because of steele's "unauthorized unauthorized discf information to the press." they revealed that steele had been bothered by the fbi's notification to congress in october of 2016 about the
reopening of the clinton investigation. so apparently what the fbi said is we cut this guy off because he was so mad that the hillary clinton email investigation was reopened when all of those thousands of emails on anthony's laptop were discovered. he decided to break all of our agreements and go to the press. he's clearly seems to have very specific motivations. >> not only motivations, but the fact that the fbi heavily relied on his credibility. not just the dossier, steele's credibility in the initial application and then subsequent applications, extensions of the surveillance on carter page. what's more important is that the fbi came to the fisa court as officers of the court, shannon. it was in it -- it's a nonadversarial situation. there is no defense counsel there. they come as officers of the court. it's all x partake. it gives the court tremendous power, but the court has to rely on what the fbi brings them, and when the court can't do that the whole system breaks down and the power with the great power comes great responsibility. i would say this.
i saw the post, the movie this weekend and the 1970s "washington post" would be all over this. but today, for some reason they are not. >> shannon: it's interesting. something else they are not talking about is the .. of 2016 there was another memo that steele put together and he says it came through foreign sources that came through a clinton associate that came to the state department, was then fed to steele. kimberly stossel of "the wall street journal" had several tweets about what we learned in this memo. she said this. it provides evidence that steele was getting information from the clinton team itself via the state department. now not only do we have a dossier based on an unnamed shady russians, but on sidney blumenthal. how much of this was engineered by the clinton campaign from the start? and maybe it wasn't, but those are questions that need to be answered. >> it goes back -- every american, the abuse of power that occurs here when you are having a political operative feeding information which is then used to put together a
dossier which is been relied upon, presented by the fbi to a fisa court as if it were fact. none of that is disclosed to the court and then the awesome power of the federal government is used two surveilled american citizen. it's just flat-out wrong and very un-american and against -- it violates our constitution in many ways. >> shannon: i look forward to seeing the democrats memo if it's ultimately released because there are still things to be filled in and it would be very helpful i think for americans to see all of it. hopefully we will. thank you very much. >> thank you, shannon. >> shannon: former attorney general eric holder was one of the most controversial figures during his time in the obama administration. now he's been asked about a possible run for president. we will bring you his answer right after this break. ♪
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♪ >> i will see. i'm focused on an drc at this point but i think i will make a decision about the end of the air about whether or not there is another chapter in my government service. >> president? >> we will see. >> shannon: former attorney general eric holder, not ruling out a 2021 for the white house. one of the many familiar faces within the democratic party considering a presidential bid. let's talk about it with our panel. radio show host larry o'connor. great to see you both. >> good to be here.
>> shannon: do you like this idea or not? >> isn't it too early to be talking about 2020? >> what a dodge. >> here's the thing, eric holder clearly has a public service chops to be a contender in the 2020 lineup and has basically bromance with president obama should give him a leg up if there's even a perceived level of support. i think his biggest advantage would be the work that he's doing actually to reverse mischievous -- that republicans of gotten with jerry mending g. as it relates to 2020, there will probably be more democrats on that stage than at any other time in my lifetime. i hope that is it is at least % women. let's get some more women out there along with kamala harris, kirsten gillibrand and others
were thinking about it as well. >> shannon: i think they will all be in the mix as well. i want to play a little bit about something that he said also about who he thinks is qualified to be president and i will get your reaction after this. >> would you make a better president? >> i think any one of kids would make a better president than donald trump. >> larry? >> i've never met his kids, so i'm going to reserve judgment there. let me get this straight. because the democrats couldn't get over it they've got the guy who was the spitting image of oprah's boyfriend? have you notice he looks just like in? >> shannon: i didn't see that until you mentioned it. i have to say too i think he still in contempt of congress. i don't know if charges go away. i don't know what it means. >> i've been watching your incredible show tonight and all of the things that we are learning about the department of justice that happened in the eight years of the holder-loretta lynch era are infuriating to so many americans. i would love for that to be front and center as the number
one issue in the 2020 election. would like to think it's all about gerrymandering. i will fix gerrymandering versus make america great again. i think one wins in terms of what what speaks to the people. >> shannon: it rolls off the tongue. >> i would love to run on the abuse of power and the complete problems we've seen from the department of justice and have that be front and center in 2020. >> here's the thing. the thing that he says that was most interesting in his interview is that these attacks on the fbi and the long-term implications they can have on the fbi's ability to actually hold criminals accountable with juries will not be trusting fbi. there's an argument on that side. it's really core to how our agencies are going to function under so much attacks that we are seeing pretty >> so there should be no criticism of the justice department or fbi? >> that's not the case. >> wanted oversight of art and administration. >> oversight is good.
>> we can agree on that. >> shannon: was go to our next topic and see if you can agree on this. some positive signs after some really tough polling for the republicans in the white house. we are now seeing this 18-point advantage democrats had in the generic congressional ballot, that's huge in december. now it's down to just five points. also, president trump's approval ratings are up ten points in one month. larry, i will start with you. does the g.o.p. risk overplaying what they are seeing their? midterms are a long way away, or the democrats were downplaying a lot of this, are they missing a potential red flag for them? >> november is a lifetime away and anything can happen. it's a miracle that it's this close right now for republicans considering historic trends for the incumbent's party two years after a presidential election. that said, i think there are a few lessons here. the first for the republicans. they actually got over all of the media narrative, the trumpet is the next thing closest to hitler and he will be gone in a couple of months.
that was the first six months of his presidency. they put that aside and got some stuff done. it helps the country and it helps the party. secondly, more important i think i'm of the lesson the democrats should learn. if you had won the dnc chair race that you ran for, i think the messaging would have been a lot clearer about the democrats telling the american people what they were going to do for men. >> i agree. >> what we heard from democrats from democrats the entire year's term brush or collusion, hitler should have been there. if that may help the bruised ego with hillary clinton but it doesn't tell the average american voter what the democrats stand for. and i still don't know what they stand for other than hating from. >> shannon: up really quickly i want to give her a chance to respond to this. we heard from a couple of congressmen former and current today, democrats talk about where we are going from here. congressman tony cardenas said this. he said he's really good at hype, but the bottom line is that is the truth shakes out, people are going to see that the president makes a lot of promises, but keeps very few of them. come november people are going to realize that he hasn't really been working very hard for the average american family. you know people right now are
getting bigger paychecks and some of them, millions of them are getting bonuses as well. is that all going to be out of their minds by november and they will be focused on other things? >> there's no question that democrats have to hone our economic -- especially as it relates to the middle class. we got some work to do on that. guess what, not only do we have history on our side, we have enthusiasm on our side. a few days ago in deep red missouri that democrats hadn't even put up a candidate in the past election, we took that seat and we have democrats were out hustling the incumbent congressman that they are running against these districts as it relates to fund-raising. something like 80 democrats challenging incumbents have raised over $250,000 actually by the end of 2017. these are unheard of numbers, especially as it relates to the new first-time candidate. i am concerned on this point
though. a lot of democrats in these primaries working to get the nomination. they can't beat each other up. we can't spend all of our money. we have to keep our eyes on the prize and hopefully they figure that out. don't count our chickens before they hatch. >> shannon: that's always good advice on both sides of the aisle. great to have both of you. thank you for joining us today. >> come down to d.c., we will do it live. >> shannon: will do it live! a couple of decades ago, compact disk while to solve by playing music with futuristic lasers. forget that, the digital age has caught up to the cds. details on that just ahead. ♪
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