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continuing coverage on fox. thank you for inviting us into your home tonight. that is it for "special report" fair, balanced, and unafraid. "the story with martha maccallu. >> martha: we have brand-new information tonight about the shooter. he was taken alive into custody, a short time ago. this shooter unlike most of the others did not to die in a hail of bullets. after taking the lives of 17 innocent young people today in the state of florida. this young man will have to talk. he will have to face justice. and that is something that you rarely see in the deadliest shootings that we have seen in our schools in america since the columbine. he reportedly pulled the fire alarm into draw everybody out. they had a safety drill just that morning.
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witnesses thought this was just another drill, they describe now what they saw. >> we heard gunshots and him going up and down the hallway, and he shot at the door, shot at my door. >> in the hallway we saw a big pile of blood like a smear as if they were dragged away. and i saw two girls dead in the hallway, coming down the stairs there was more blood. outside of the building there was another dead, a teacher i'm pretty sure was dead. >> there was a lot of blood everywhere and bodies. i remember my friend crying behind me. i kept telling her that it was going to be okay and we would get out. and luckily we did get out. >> these poor kids have not even begin to process what happened to them. today in their school. and as is so often the case now, the first awful sense for everyone involved that something was wrong came by text message. a student inside sending this chilling message to a family
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member of one of our producers. "joe, there are gunshots here in my school. i am super scared, i love you, i am really scared. don't call me, joe. i'm really scared. call the police if you can. please, i cannot talk. joe, i have to be silent." we will hear from that young man, a sophomore in high school in just a few moments. and the adults, of course, were in shock. >> it is catastrophic, there really are no words. it is a horrific situation. it is a horrible day for us. >> martha: reporting live on the ground as he has throughout the afternoon. good evening, phil. >> good evening, martha. a very stone-faced and grim broward county scott israel said 17 lives were lost today in a
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very somber, somber and short press update here about half an hour ago. 12 of the bodies remain in the school. a two of the bodies were shot and killed outside of the school. another person shot and killed down the road on pine island drive, and two died while being treated for their wounds inside the hospital. a total of 15 people were wounded and taken to the hospital. the extent of the injuries are unclear. we do not know whether or 30 or 32 people were actually shot by the alleged gunman or some injuries came during the massive panic and evacuation. but that gunman, a 19-year-old student expelled from this same high school in the past according to the sheriff, identified as nikolas cruz. somebody described as having a fascination with guns and bombs and some student actually said that it was the kind of guy that i wanted to steer clear from,
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that was the person identified by witnesses as wearing a black hat and burgundy shirt, black pants and an hour and 15 minutes a person wearing that exact outfit as captured by our helicopter shots, that is the person that was handcuffed and led away in a squad car and treated at a nearby hospital. he has been released and is now being processed he would tell me whether he had any indication as to what the motive may have been. he is convinced that they do have the lone killer in custody. they are not looking for anybody else. the school, which is about a quarter-mile over my right shoulder, camera left has been cleared classroom by classroom by the squad teams in the 12 fatalities are still in the school. the sheriff would not specify whether they are all students or if they are a mixture of students and teachers, nor the
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ages. but the school itself has 3000 people, roughly, all four grades. other students that i spoke to who were 19, 20 years old who live in the area this afternoon said that your average everyday american high school. nothing to say beyond that. but unfortunately today on valentine's day the worst school shooting in this county's history. speaking of valentine's day, one of the students inside the school aside from hearing the second alarm of the day being polled said that he heard a few pop, pop, pop. he thought that those were probably valentine's day balloons being popped by rambunctious students down the hall in other classrooms because a lot have parties today, but that student was unfortunately, deadly wrong. those are not balloons but gunshots coming from a man who will law enforcement says had multiple clips of ammunition on him including an ar-15.
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smi assault rifle. >> martha: thank you very much for joining me on the phone the mayor of parkland florida, i hope that you can hear me, do we have you there? >> yes, first of all, our condolences. i'm sure that this was the first thing on your -- the farthest thing on your mind. what has today been like for you and what can you tell us if anything about this suspect in about what happened? >> this has come as a shock to everybody in our community, for those of you who are not familiar with our community, we are in the northwest corner of broward county, a small city, very family oriented in the community oriented. a close knit city, could never imagine that something like this would have happened here. i found out this afternoon, we got a call that there was the ems and police responding to an
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active shooter situation at the school. i immediately came over in the beginning, parents were not getting any information, very thankful for technology today with texts, so that many of them heard from their children inside that they were okay. and as time progressed and the police were inside they were going throughout the building step-by-step and as they cleared certain areas they were letting students out. and as you can imagine, parents being able to hug their children after what they had been through, they were, it was a very emotional scene. >> martha: absolutely, and your heart breaks obviously for the 17 families who are dealing with the worst news of all on this day. what are you hearing in your town about the suspect? >> i spoke to a few students as
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they came out and some parents, the parents seem to have recognized in the name, they were given the name by their children and they seem to recognize the students name. i did not really hear much more than that, but his name was known to some of the parents. >> martha: he was 19 years old and had been removed for disciplinary action, that's what we know so far. and we are going to learn quite a bit more about him as all of this progresses, which is awful, awful. do you know whether or not to there were any teachers, because some of the students talked about seeing an adult down. >> i've heard the same thing, but i have not received any first-hand information regarding that. but i heard from the students. >> martha: as he looks forward, and obviously you start to look at the statistics, and
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none of these human beings feel like statistics to you, they are your neighbors. and your families and we were going to be dealing with all of this for a long, long time. but what goes through your mind in terms of what might prevent something like this? or if anything what can be done differently? >> and that's the tough question. i think if there were anything to answer, somebody would have come up with it so far. i would just hope that at some point in our society we have the focus and the determination to look at these cases and roll up our sleeves and try and work towards what those solutions could be. because i do not think that there is one solution. and i do not think that there is an easily solution. >> martha: known, there certainly is not. christine, the mayor of parkland, florida. and our thoughts are with all of you and everyone who is dealing with it tonight. thank you for taking the moments
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with us. >> it is a tragic night for all of us. >> martha: it certainly is. thank you for joining us. joining me on the phone now is james harrison, a sophomore student who was on the same floor when the gunman opened fired and the text message that we showed you earlier that james was reaching out to his stepfather. james, how are you doing and what was going through your mind when you were reaching out to joe today? >> i cannot believe it, because there were so many shots that i heard and i was so scared and so anxious, i did not know, and i saw everybody else in the class, they were texting their family members, so i ended up picking up my phone and doing the exact same thing trying to contact. i contacted my stepfather, my mother, and both of my brothers and trying to get them to call the police, when i was in class we had not known that it was not
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a drill, because they left the door open, so we never ended up having the shooting drill, so we figured oh, this is probably going to be a drill to test and see the teacher's response. and we ended up finding out by "cbs news", and we saw online that there was a shooting at my school, and so we had confirmation that there was a shooting. >> martha: james, you have done these drills before at school as kids all across america have done, and i'm sure that you never, ever thought that it would actually happen at your school. do you think that it has sunk in what happened today? >> no, honestly, i still believe that i do not understand exactly what happened. i still feel a little like, i am still shaking a little bit. my heart is still pounding.
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i still have a bunch of adrenaline. right outside my door, i heard the shells of the bullets from the gun, right then and there i was like, oh, god, what is happening? this is horrible. and we were all just sticking together, we were so upset. we made sure that we waited it out. >> martha: i'm so glad you did and i'm sure that your family has been through so much today. we are grateful to talk to you. i just want to ask you if you have any awareness of who the shooter was. did you know anything about him, nikolas cruz? >> i actually never knew this person. i came to the school last year. i never had seen him. my friends claim that she saw him last year and saw him last
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year, told me that he was very like quiet person and kept to himself. >> martha: james, thank you very much for talking with us tonight. it is good to have you with us. and i am so glad that you are okay. and it is just a difficult, difficult day. thank you for sharing what happened and sharing your text message which was the way that so many people got news today. so do take care, all right? >> you too, have a great day. >> martha: thank you very much. as phil keating reported, the buildings have been cleared at the school, four, five different spot teams the cia intelligence was here with us, but this is what all of america is watching. and think about the protocols that are put in place, because
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all of these schools, as james was saying, they did a drill this morning. i don't know if the shooter knew, he may have and thought that this might be a good time to do this. but he pulled the fire alarm, so everyone is going to run out, right? >> absolutely, and my condolences go out to the family of the students lost. i have a 23-year-old son who is a fireman would rush and in a situation like this. this is personal. we have to understand that this individual had insider information. he knew the process as a former student. he planned this. i think we will come to find that he laid out this plan in advance. he was known to the student body, and i think what we have to be concerned about, talking to a teacher who had some experience with this before coming on, this is a culture where we have individuals who are under the radar, and of concern. but where do they cross the
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line? where do you measure personal protection, rights, and i would say this individual may have actually purchased that weapon legally in virginia can be 18 and purchase a firearm, so so -- >> he is in florida. >> but this is something in one of those situations where as the mayor was saying, there is not one single answer and the ones that we have to come up with are going to be difficult. >> martha: as i said in the intro, the top five deadliest school shootings, this is the only one where we have a suspect in custody. he is going to answer questions. they are going to learn what was going on in this young man's mind, we hope. in terms of how we stop these sorts of things, you think about the fact that we have been stories where a little kid can draw a picture of a gun. this kid was pulled out of the school. so the school did the right thing. they removed him from the school, he was told that he
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could not return to the grounds, at least according to one report that i read with a backpack. what more can they do? >> that is a good question, so i work with stafford county security adviser, we study the issue of regarding not only schools, but churches, malls, and that sort of thing. what happens when somebody is on the radar, how do you do that? it is about local police. somebody had to know, martha, that this kid was going to do something. i would ask you, where were his parents? i'm very close to my kids come i try to remain in contact with them, but something broke down at the community level. we have to look at partially how do we look at threats. and one of the things to also look at is that there are mentally disturbed children out there who may want to do copycats. so every school should right now recheck all of the vulnerabilities. they have to be very cautious. >> martha: chat rooms about guns and violence, one of the early reports said that he was
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looking at some overseas videos of action in other countries. i don't think there is any indication that he had a connection to that. we don't know yet. we will find out. but when you know all of these things, what can you do? >> see something, say something. again, there had to be some level of detection going on. and so far, there are multiple reports saying that the kids knew that there were something wrong with him. as he pointed out, he was banned from coming on campus and having a backpack. he was on the radar. but that is the point of departure. once we learn everything, how do they get the gun? was he on drugs? because the columbine kids were on psychotropic drugs. one of the congressmen that were on earlier talked about the fact that the kids during his day would have guns in their cars and going to school. when i was 13, i hate to admit this but i was allowed to go to upstate new york and run around on a farm with a 22 22 rifle, i
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never thought about using it for violence. something has happened in the culture. we have to understand that there is something going on. they said earlier that there have been multiple shootings at this level. and kids broke into a gun store and wanted to get guns. >> martha: you have to ask what the impact with social media, the pressures that kids feel. this kid has been kicked out of school, i don't know if he is looking at social media. seeing other people having fun, i don't know. we will find out. but that pressure potentially is weighing in here in some shape or form. >> absolutely, you have a culture that accepts a violence as part of the speech. this is what we see across the board. people are willing to accept this. and this is the definition of culture. it is not simply about guns, it is about the fact that this kid was probably so ramped up that he may have used a car to meld these kids down. you can use a car.
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>> martha: that is often the arguments against gun control when we have these conversations, but nine times out of ten it is a gun. >> we have to figure out how it got into his hands. because there is no reason for someone like me who has been in combat, ashley understands how to use it to have it, but he should not have had it. somewhere there is a solution. >> martha: are we going to put a fence around every school? >> some schools already do. you have to go to the front door and be buzzed in. >> martha: but he pulled the fire alarm, he knows how it works. and he is getting past the system. >> so schools need to relook at this vulnerability. we have to stay ahead. and there is no way, and again, i feel so horrible about this, because it touches close to home, but we need to find the answers. they are going to be a number of things that we need to look at. >> martha: he is in florida in 19 years old, they have death penalty in florida.
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we will see a trial process play out here the likes of which we have never seen in a school shooting. >> we need to do a very thorough examination of soup to nuts everything that happened. how did he get to this point, where did the weapon come from? what was the school doing? because there will be clues of what to prevent the next one. he will not be simple. we will not like some of the answers, but i think we have to take a hard look. we have someone who was captured and he can tell you a lot about what motivated and how we got what he got. >> martha: tony, thank you. we will stay on this as you heard. new details that are emerging tonight about the suspected shooter behind today's deadly shooting at marjory stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida. his name is nikolas cruz, 19-year-old former student. kicked out and open fire within ar-15 rifle and killing 17 innocent children and perhaps an adult. we are waiting for the final
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breakdown in the numbers on the horrific shooting today. joining me now, trace gallagher who has been looking and part of the latest the shooter. >> hi, martha. to the sheriff confirmed with aar ar-15 semiautomatic, nikolas cruz was also carrying countless magazines saying that it could have been going on much longer. it is unclear where he got the rifle, but former glassman's say that he was obsessed with the guns and would show them pictures of guns on his phone. he said that shooting weapons gave him an exhilarating feeling, and his social media account back that up on instagram nikolas cruz's followed several gun groups and even resistance group like syrian resistance fighters and fighters from iraq. the broward county sheriff made it very clear that nikolas cruz social media footprint was very concerning. listen. >> if you see something, say something. if anybody has any indicator that someone is going through a
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behavioral change or on social media that there are disturbing photos, bombs, firearms, just videos or pictures that are just not right, please make sure law enforcement knows about it. >> it appears a 19-year-old suspect took part in a youtube chat room dealing with bonds. when they learned about the online forum, they warned s.w.a.t. teams to be on the lookout for any signs of explosive devices. so far there is no indication that they found any. nikolas cruz was also reportedly a former member of the jr. reserve officers training program. the sheriff says he was expelled from school for disciplinary reasons that we did not elaborate. but a student tells the miami fox affiliate that he was a loner and has had problems for years saying that he left school a few months ago after his mom died and moved to north florida. a teacher at marjory stoneman
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douglas high school told the "miami herald" dates last year cruz threatened some students and was told not to come back on campus with a backpack. the superintendent says that he has not been aware of any threats or warnings involving the suspect. we should note that the campus has a full-time police presence. there are numerous reports as you talked about saying that cruz open fire, pulled the alarm as a way to draw more students into the hallway. the sheriff says that he knows nothing about the fire alarm. the suspect's injuries were not significant at all. >> martha: trace, thank you very much. as we discussed, the horrifying case offers authorities the opportunity to question the gunman. since 1999, and every single case of deadly school shooters they took their own lives. retired special agent joins us now. good to have you with us. we know that they were on the case early. what is the first motive of operations?
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>> the fbi is there to support the broward county sheriff's department. they are the primary agency. the fbi will give free services and conduct interviews. they will look at everything this person has done on his computer. anything that he has written, social media. that hopefully will put together a timeline and maybe give us a motive. >> martha: when you look at this, we have obviously such a huge problem with this. we have the second fatal shooting in 2018, it is the fourth in the last ten months. as law enforcement, what kind of recommendations are there to try and change this culture that has gotten us here in this country? >> there is a lot of talk like things that we should have more gun control and teach people what to do with the active shooters. all of that there are places for, but the reality is that there are some things that you cannot prevent 100%. but students at the school, teachers and certainly family, need to be aware if there is a
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problem in the family, if it is someone acting strange or expressing things like this person was, posting on social media. that is the time for mental health intervention. it is something that we have to take more serious. we have seen it in other cases and seen it here today. >> martha: in terms of the rules for law enforcement and fbi and local police officers, let's say that somebody came to the school in the school passes along the message, look, as we have heard today, he showed me guns on his phone, that he owns or had in his possession, he has been participating in gun groups on youtube. watching syrian and iraqi videos on youtube, what would you be able to do based on that information? >> currently not a lot and if congress wants to get together and argue about something, here's something for them to discuss. certainly we want to protect first amendment rights in this country, but at the same time we want to protect our citizens. we have to make sure that there are avenues for law enforcement
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to get involved. he is an 18-year-old adult, there is nothing law enforcement can do to arrest somebody like that. if he was a minor we will be able to take somebody into custody for an evaluation. we have to give law enforcement the tools to make sure that today can keep the public safe. >> martha: because he is over 18 coming you cannot go talk to them? >> as an adult, law enforcement can talk to them, but can they take any action? just because somebody espousing views of guns or anything else, that is freedom of speech. until they make a specific threat that they want to go to a school and hurt somebody, there is no legal action that you can take. if a minor do something like that, the laws are less stringent. we have to be able to refer people for a psychiatric evaluation when the circumstances put together warrant such. >> martha: look at what child services is able to do. and you feel like when there is this kind of activity people are
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being told if you see something, say something great that they want to feel if they say something there will be action taken that might send this person in a slightly different path that prevents. thank you very much. good to have you with us. joining me now with more, our former new york city police commissioner, good to see you tonight. what do you think? >> i think it is bad, more than bad. what is concerning is that they had all of these warning signs. there have been kids interviewed already that he had issues. everybody seemed to know that he had issues including the school where he was expelled from. he has all of this online chatter and these postings of guns and weapons and knives and these chat rooms. and i agree with your -- the prior speaker, this is something that they said that they looked at. when you have somebody who has mental instability and is floating around with all of
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these weapons. the police and law enforcement, the authorities have to have the right to go in and at least take the weapons. at least interview them. some sort of intervention. if you had this going on in new york city and they were licensed to carry were licensed to possess and they had all of this chatter and stuff online, i can promise you that to the new york city police department would be there within an hour or two taking their guns. >> martha: if the police officer walks by your house and they see something inside your house happening, right, they can get a warrant and come in. we need to get to a point where there is the same sort of situation in terms of what you are doing online that people in the public are able to see. so at some point it is like, you are open door, your house is open and you're seeing what is going on inside, you have to have a way, seeing something, saying something has to get you somewhere. >> this has a lot to do with training, and training the kids at school.
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i have two daughters, they are in high school. a senior and a sophomore. if they are sitting around at home talking about some kid that is acting like a maniac at school and posting these photos and all of this nonsense, talking all of this nonsense online, as a parent, not the kid's parent, as somebody else's parent, i'm going to call the school. i'm going to call the authorities and say, this is something that needs to be look at. a lot of parents are afraid to do that. a lot of kids are afraid to do that. this has to be these are programs that the schools have to get involved in to teach the kids how important this is. because in every one of these circumstances, everyone of these school shootings we always hear after the fact. >> martha: within hours today, people, i know who this guy is. >> exactly. exactly. >> martha: in terms of, so it feels like what you're saying is we have done sort of part of the work, we have part in the schools to some extent.
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you do have to buzz. i remember when my kids were little you could walk in the front door, now you have a buzzer and they see you on the camera and they let u.n. those kinds of things have happen, some have armed guards, some are very different. should all schools have armed guards? >> i think that they should. we are doing active shooter programs, mock drills and tabletop exercises, but it is like tony shaffer said earlier, you are not going to prevent every incident. you are just not. you can be right 99% of the time, but that one time they can slip through the cracks. in this case, this guy knew where he was going and he knew what he was doing and he knew the school. and i think that they are going to find out his primary target was somebody on the third floor, why would he go to the third floor? you know what i mean? freshmen were up there, i personally think listening to what i have heard that he is looking for a teacher, may be. and in the process he did what he did.
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>> martha: it sounds like he shot his way into the building, the two people that he killed outside he killed first. >> on the way in. >> martha: he didn't want them to tip anyone off. he shot them and then went up through the hallway and perhaps you are right he was looking for some teacher who wronged him or something along those lines. in terms of his weapon, he had an ar-15, that raises the question, these are rifles that used to be illegal and now they are not, should that change? >> that is up to congress, and believe me, there will be plenty of people debating that over the next few days in the next week, two weeks. at the end of the day, if it was legally purchased, if he legally purchased it or somebody bought it for him. we have seen a lot of that lately, the gun that was purchased for one of the guns that killed one of the cops was purchased by somebody else lately. this is something to look at. for right now schools around the
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country have to learn from this lesson, and they need to create a flagging mechanism of some sort to look at these kids. you expel a kid from school for these types of threats and activity, well, somebody needs to be looking at them. >> martha: thank you very much. it's good to see you tonight. so a short time ago, my next guest said that our worst fears are being realized. local authorities are taking the lead in this investigation with help from the federal investigators and the fbi as we said, senator bill nelson joins me now. senator, thank you very much. we know that you and everybody in florida and really across the nation is just wheeling tonight. and we still do not know the details about who has been lost and those families are just processing that. your thoughts? do you have any new information on what happened today? >> some new information, the gunman was wearing a gas mask, he had smoke grenades.
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he hit the fire alarm so that all of the kids would start coming out of the classrooms, and then he had a massive people in a closed space. so you can see how premeditated it was, and then with an ar-15, high caliber, rapid fire weapon. tragically there are 17 sets of parents that are just grieving very, very terribly right now. >> martha: so he had a gas mask on and he threw smoke bombs into the hallway? >> i cannot confirm that he actually threw them, but that is the implication with the information that i got from the fbi.
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>> martha: in terms of what is going to happen now, do you have any information on whether they are already questioning him? i'm sure, do we know whether or not he is being forthcoming? any information on that? >> they took him into custody, and i certainly assume that they would be talking to him. he is of legal age. he is over 18. and certainly if i were in that situation i would be interrogating him. >> martha: a 19-year-old who commits a mass murderer in the state of florida, what is he facing? >> well, you will have to ask criminal attorneys, but he is of age, so we ought to be looking at the worst penalty, which is the death penalty. >> martha: there is death penalty in the state of florida, as you point out he is an adult and it is highly possible that he could face that. i would imagine that there are some conditions that attorneys would try to convince that he is
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not mentally stable, something along those lines. maybe it is too early to say. in terms of what is happening right now in florida and outreach and possible discussion of change in terms of how we handle these situations or prevent them, any thoughts on that, senator? >> while mental health is one. and another is how many times is this going to go on? until the american people say, enough is enough. just in florida a year ago the mass shooting add to the fort lauderdale airport in the same county where this shooting took place, two years ago, 49 people gunned down in the nightclub in orlando. that is just in our state. at some point people are going to say, enough is enough. now you are talking to somebody who supports the
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second amendment. i grew up on a ranch. i have always had guns. i am a hunter. i haunt today with my son. but an ar-15 is not for hunting. that is for killing. and so we have got to go through these things. but it is very hard to pass this. let me give you an example, as common sense a proposal as senator feinstein's bill that's we tried a few years ago, that if you are on the terrorist watch list, the terrorist watch list you could not buy a gun. we could not get that past. so you see the political difficulty. >> martha: i do. i do. and america does. i think that you are right and we need to talk about this. it is cold comfort to those families tonight, but a conversation that needs to be on the table. thank you very much.
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it is good to have you with us. our thoughts and prayers are with everybody in your state as they deal with the tragedy tonight. thank you very much, senator. >> thank you. >> martha: let's go back to phil keating who has the latest update on the ground tonight. >> well, martha, as you may have heard senator nelson saying, the suspect was wearing a gas mask. in addition to what the sheriff scott israel said in the 6:00 hour, was equipped with multiple clips of ammunition on him when arrested. also had the ar-15 and he would not answer my direct question of whether or not he believed that he just woke up this morning hell-bent on causing massive destruction, but that is what this alleged gunman dated. accused of killing 17 people inside the high school, a quarter mile down the road behind me, you cannot get close to it, but 12 of those
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fatalities are inside the school. it remains an active crime scene. s.w.a.t. teams have cleared out all of the classrooms at this time. all of the students and teachers are now far off campus at this point. and parents and their students, their sons and daughters after a very panicked and terrifying afternoon have been reunited, but of course for 17 families, this is beyond belief. in one of the worst nights that they can ever imagine. >> martha: enormous carnage and in norma's loss. phil, thank you. let's go back to tony shaffer who joins us once again. just seeing this coming over from one of our producers a tweet from the broward sheriff saying that the fbi has set up a website where you can upload images and video of the shooting at the high school today and this is the world that we live in. but obviously they want to see if there might be any clues in
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anything that came in. >> sheriff and i were just texting on the issue. one of the things that you have to do is collect everything, because to your point, you have someone who is alive. and now it is the ability to re-social engineer how this all happen. we have to understand, martha, today's youth are impacted on drugs, gangs, and ms-13, we have seen an uptick in individuals, these children who have recognized that the violence is okay. so this is where the schools have to be very much aware and on guard. at the same time we have to examine community policing. i just heard my friend talk about the fact that this kid was probably there to do something. he was after a target. there may be some symbology of today being valentine's day why he picked today, but he had what we consider asymmetric concepts. he understood that you had that alarm, you hit the fire alarm
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and people react a certain way. and he was there to ambush. these are all clues to his psychology, and why he did it and again, i agree with -- we will find that he was there for some purpose. >> martha: i think of the shooter in colorado in the movie theater, obviously very mentally disturbed. >> very. >> martha: there were some clues in that case. there appear to be some clues in this case as well in terms of his mental state. but there is predetermination as well as you point out. he had accumulated all of these magazines, now this video that we have right now we have coming in, do we know? that may be the shooter as -- that was from earlier, but he was brought into, they took him to the hospital, first of all if you're just tuning in. then they quickly determined that there was nothing physically wrong with him and
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they moved him from the hospital as you see in the hospital gown into the facility of the police station there. in terms of determination and premeditation and mental health. >> one of the common factors that we have seen in a number of these shootings including sandy hook and others, there was some level of drug involved with illegal drug, some of these kids have been under some influence. i will be very curious if one component was was he under a doctor's care that meant that he was using a psychotropic drug, these things result in our children being socialized in a way that today except to the orientation and affiliation of violence that is common. and not only violence, but the tipping point of concepts of violence, and some people will talk big. you will see kids today, like during our age, oh, my dad is
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bigger than your dad, but it is changing. nowadays i'm going to threaten you, and it may create social drama. a lot of kids are driven off of this adrenaline of the drama. the high school stuff, but it is different now. it is different than when we did it, because there are drugs involved in more gains than ever and somehow these kids are getting a hold of weapons. and this one may have gotten one legally because he was over 18. >> martha: time and time again we see a cocktail of too much time online and has a mental problem and may be on medication as has access to the weapon to carry this out. all are unique to our environment right now. >> and i hate to be redundant, but we have to study this. and to your point, i'm glad that you are emphasizing this more than anyone else on the air that you have someone who is still alive. they were not killed. they are apparently in pristine
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condition, all things considered and we need to examine them. he needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the wall. while he may be crazy, he knew what he was doing. this was a rational act of violence, maybe not terror, but meant to terrorize who he was targeting. >> martha: we are talking about the criminal and watching this video where you see children running for their lives and to relieve the focus should be on the 17 families, we do not know who they are, so all we can say is that our thoughts are with them. they are having the worst day of their lives and they will probably have years to come up recovering from what happened today. we will continue to dig in on this very difficult day in the state of florida. we'll take a quick break and be back with more breaking news on the suspect and the 17 families who are suffering the worst imaginable loss. we will be right back with more of "the story." >> we have began to dissect his websites in the social media that he is on. in some of the things are very,
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>> i was praying to god thinking that we could make it out alive. i called my parents and it was just all crazy. all i could think was oh, my
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god, my family, my friends. you never think it would happen to you, but it does. >> martha: today in florida, awful to hear these young kids who are just never going to be as innocent or feel as safe as they did when they walked into school this morning. trace gallagher has been following this all afternoon as news has continued to break. and he joins me again now. >> yes, digging into a social media background, as a share of said earlier there are some disturbing things as you dig deeper. instagram there are pictures of him brandishing weapons and knives and there are some texts and captions that we really cannot repeat on television. we can tell you that there was one picture of a targets riddled with bullet holes. group therapy that you really should try it. friends of his telling the fox affiliate in miami that he had guns at home, several guns and
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that when they would visit him he would talk about using those guns. we talked earlier about how there was a threat warning at the high school, one teacher telling the "miami herald" that last year apparently he made some threats to some fellow students and that he was kicked out of school and then a warning was sent out to all of the teachers in the faculty saying that if the student comes back on campus with a backpack coming you need to notify security right away, because he has been identified as a security threat. we should also point out that we mentioned earlier that he actually on his instagram page followed various resistance groups. we are talking about syrian fighters and fighters from iraq, and delving deeper into that. some of them are really kind of in the weeds where we are not quite clear if those accounts have been verified. so we are not going to go there yet, but the sheriff and the fbi as they scour his social media footprint, they will be of
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course looking for any leads that will give them any indication as to what caused this or any motivation as to why he did what he did. there were some girls, some young classmates that said he kind of creeped them out. that is a quote from them saying, not because they thought he was creepy, but more because he dressed creepy and that he was trying to outwardly get people's attention that he was different from everybody else. in another quote, preppie in a creepy sort of way. so we are finding a lot more out about this. it really is fascinating of all of these school shootings we have covered over the years, martha, very seldom do you have one where the suspect is actually alive and well and being questioned and will undergo due process before the legal system. we will find out a great deal more about his motivations that led up to the horrific day. >> martha: there he is in a
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video being taken from the hospital in a hospital gown into the arms of law enforcement. thank you so much for tonight. back again, former new york city police commissioner with a brand-new look as we take a look at the video that we just got in. this is of the florida school shooting as police entered one of the rooms. let's take a look. >> martha: it is just chilling, these poor kids are sitting in this room and the police and her and ask everyone to put their hands in the air. one of the things that it also appears happen here is that he left the building. and it sounds like he may have snuck out with a group of students, and that is how he got away. >> i think it is premature to
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say at this point, because he was gone for one hour before they found him, but it could have happened that way. listen, he pulled the alarm, i agree with what tony said earlier, this kid had a plan, he knew what he was going to do when he got there. he knew his escape route. i'm glad that they got him. and they can get access to all of this information, but the more that i hear, your correspondent just talked about this order where if they saw him with a backpack coming to school to notify the school, because he -- they were fearful of what may be in the backpack. at that point if you see all of the stuff online with the weapons and the knives and talking about bombs and all of this other stuff, are you not notifying the authorities that somebody should take the guns? i do not know. that is one of those things, i am all for the second amendment
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privilege, but in cases like this where you have people that have clearly had mental instability, okay, it's time to get rid of the guns. >> martha: obviously he was on the radar of so many kids. as we were saying before in terms of a warrant, what more do you need then someone who is showing, this is what i have and talking about carrying out violent acts? in a school get a restraining order? >> a restraining order would not have stopped him from coming to the property. but each state has buried gun laws and what you need to have to buy a shot gun, a pistol, some states are easier than others. new york state, new york city is extremely difficult, like i said. if this guy was in new york city and on all of that stuff online. i can promise you within an hour
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that there will be new york city detectives grabbing all of that stuff. wyatt does not happen in florida, i don't know. it's something that has to be looked into. >> martha: it certainly has paid and what about the response of the responsibility of social media and all of these companies pay to if someone is talking about violent things on your platform, what is the responsibility? >> we have flagging mechanisms for terrorism. the isis chatter and all of this -- >> martha: this is terrorist chatter. >> this is terrorist chatter. he is someone who wants to do mass casualty damage, death and destruction and all of this other stuff, talking about the syrian resistance, this is definitely something that they should have been looking at. and i hate the monday morning quarterback discussion as you speculate, but based on what we have seen already, there are
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problems that people miss. >> martha: do you think that the social media companies have any responsibility to be stronger on this front? >> you know what, personally, yes. personally. the first amendment rights and what congress lets them get away with, that is another issue. that is a long issue to deal with. >> martha: thank you very much, former new york city police commissioner. we are glad that you are here tonight, thank you, sir. we will take a quick break, we will be back with more of "the story." >> as soon as my mother told me i got very, very worried about him. because he is my brother, and it is valentine's day. this should not even be happening.
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