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that warehouse and i'll do a better job? forget it. >> dana: all of our friends here, thank you so much. i'll be "the five." in the meantime we'll have more news. >> shepard: good afternoon from new york. i'm shepard smith. the bottom line on today's document according to the document, not the attorney general, is this. robert mueller reports he could not exonerate president trump. under department policy, he could not prosecute president trump. so the special counsel laid out all the evidence and all the facts. now it's up to congress to decide what happens next. setting aside the statements of the attorney general, here's some of the major take-aways from the 448 page mueller report. first, russia did interfere with the election. that was no hoax. the investigation found no evidence that any member of
president trump's campaign team colluded with the russians. the trump campaign did attempt to get rival hillary clinton's private e-mails. but investigators found no evidence of a crime committed. there was not evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and moscow, the report concludes the campaign expected to benefit from the stolen information that the russians released. robert mueller's report does not clear president trump of obstruction of justice. the special counsel wrote that if he could clear the president of obstruction of justice, he would. but he could not. instead, he states his office does not have evidence needed to file charges. in many cases, the report shows that the president attempted to interfere with the investigation. in other instances, it indicates the president told associates to interfere with the investigation, but the associates refused. investigators looked at ten specific instances to determine whether they met the standard of
obstruction. here they are. the first involved the fbi director comey and national security adviser michael flynn. in january of 2017, president trump fired flynn after he lied to the vice president and to the fbi about his contact with russia. the president told the adviser, now that we fired flynn, the russia thing is over. that month, the president also told james comey that he needed loyalty. of course, he later fired comey. the second incident, the president's reaction to the russia investigation. specifically his reaction when the attorney general, jeff sessions, recused himself. the report revealed that the president later saw sessions at an event and urged him to unrecuse. number 3. the president's termination of the fbi director, james comey. that came days after comey
declined to answer questions about whether the president was personally under investigation. republican reports the president told the russians that firing comey had taken off pressure over russia. number 4. the appointment of a special counsel and efforts to remove him. the report notes that president trump called don mcgahn and ordered him to tell the acting attorney general that the special counsel had conflicts of interest and must be removed. mcgahn refused. he said he decided that he would resign instead. an attempt by the president to interfere. number 5, efforts to curtail the special counsel's investigation. in june of 2017, the president told the former campaign manager corey lewandowski to deliver a message to jeff sessions to tell him to publicly announce that the russian investigation was very unfair to the president. lewandowski was uncomfortable with that order, he said and passed the task to another senior official who was also
uncomfortable with the order and never followed through. an attempt by the president to interfere. number 6. efforts to prevent public disclosure of evidence. in the summer of 2017, the president rejected a plan to tell the public that his campaign had met with a russian lawyer who claimed to have dirt on hillary clinton. instead, the president dictated a statement for the public saying that the meeting was instead about adoption. the president's personal lawyer repeatedly denied that trump played any role in that statement. however, he wrote it. number 7, further efforts to have the attorney general take control of the investigation. the president again asked jeff sessions to reverse his recusal from the investigation, which sessions would not do. number 8, efforts to have white house lawyer don mcgahn deny that the president had ordered him to have the special counsel removed. it was early in 2018 when reports began to circulate that
president trump ordered don mcgahn to remove the special counsel. now we know that was true. the president did order don mcgahn to remove the special counsel. further, the president personally ordered mcgahn to lie about it. to say the reports were inaccurate. mcgahn refused. number 9, conduct toward michael flynn and former campaign chairman paul manafort. both of them were found guilty. the president asked of a heads up of any information that implicates the president. the president repeatedly praised paul manafort when he didn't testify and called him a brave man. finally, number 10. conduct involving his personal attorney and fixer, michael cohen. president trump's praise for cohen changed when he started co-op rating with investigators. even calling his former lawyer a
rat. but after considering all of those instances, the special counsel's team reports that it could not determine for sure whether the president obstructed justice. that is left for congress to either pursue or not. so for now, whether the president obstructed justice is an open question. and that's not the only one. our researchers counted more than 800 redactions in this report. the justice department concealing information that could affect other investigations or compromised sources. democrats are calling for the report's full unredacted release to members of congress that see classified material on a daily basis. at a veteran's event this morning, the president called the investigation a hoax as he's done from the beginning. >> no collusion, no obstruction. [applause] there never was, by the way and there never will be.
this should never have happen to another president again. this hoax should never happen to another president again. >> shepard: we'll have complete coverage throughout the hour including legal analysis, lawmaker reaction and of course more details from the special counsel's report itself. we begin with the chief intelligence correspondent, catherine herridge reporting live at the justice department. catherine? >> shep, it's important for people to understand what the definition was for obstruction. it went to this issue of something called corrupt intent. actions and behaviors designed to derail anticipated legal proceedings. when you read the report, you'll see in addition to the ten episodes to out line details about the actions the president took to try to unravel the investigation and effectively tried to end it. i have a quote here from o158. it reads the president was
unsuccessful to unravel the investigation because the president that was around the president declined to carry out orders. james comey did not end the investigation of mike flynn which resulted in flynn's prosecution and conviction for lying to the fbi. don mcgahn did not tell the acting attorney gel raleigh that the special counsel must be removed but instead prepared to resign over the president's order. at a news conference, william barr said that he took mueller's legal frame work and then tested the evidence against it to reach his conclusion that it didn't meet the necessary legal standards for obstruction of justice. the attorney general told reporters this morning he felt based on the report that the president's actions were driven by emotion. listen. >> there is substantial evidence to show that the president was
frustrated and angered by his sincere belief that the investigation was undermining his presidency, propelled by his political opponents and fueled by illegal leaks. >> in the last few minutes we heard from the chairman of the judiciary committee, jerry nadler. he said the special counsel has preserved the evidence for congress to pick up these issues, shep. >> shepard: katherine, how extensive was the russian operation? >> that is one of the most revealing elements. we talked a lot about obstruction but it's worth reading the collusion section, which is the larger section at 200 pages. there were two prongs to the russia operations. something called the ira, the internet research agency, which was operating with this information warfare and social media campaign to influence americans' viewpoints on the candidates. and then there was something
which was much more of an intelligence driven operation by something called the gru. this is russian intelligence. there was a lot of outreach to the campaign. if you go through the report, you cesar -- sergei kislyakisl. there was outreach to people in the organization. this was addressed by the attorney general this morning. >> after nearly two years of investigations, thousands of subpoenas, hundreds of warrants and witness interviews, the special counsel confirmed that the russian government sponsored efforts to illegally interfere with the 2016 presidential election. but did not find that the trump campaign or other americans colluded in those efforts. >> the view among the u.s. intelligence community now is
that when you look at 2020, they'll rip up the playbook and probably try something different next time, shep. >> shepard: catherine herridge at the justice department. thank you. let's turn to the criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, bob bianchi who is here to talk the legal aspects of this. legally speaking, big picture, your take away. >> well, remember, this is about proving a case to 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt. so the ten things that you clicked off, shep, are pretty damning when you take them in their totality. the report is saying, no collusion or conspiracy very firm with that. prosecutors speak on the obstruction is, we're not passing on it but we're telling you it doesn't exonerate him. i found -- >> shepard: what it said was, if i could exonerate him i would but i can't. >> if we were confident there was no obstruction, they would let everybody know that. now, you have to go back to pages 1 and 2. >> shepard: they kicked this to congress. >> if you back to pages 1 and 2,
we're not passing on whether we can indict a sitting president. here's the data. here you are, congress. you have a power. take all of this information and all of this data. we're telling you he's not innocent. you do with it what you feel you need to. >> shepard: we're telling you we can't confirm. now we're giving your our evidence. when you tell the attorney general that has recused himself because of rules and regulations require hi do so to unrecuse yourself, you're clearly interfering, but are you obstructing? >> great question. >> shepard: it's a legal question. >> that is what comes down to the corrupt intent. donald trump does not speak in exactly precise language and things move and statements are malleable. so it's very difficult for a prosecutor to prove corrupt intent when they don't have an underlying crime. so while you don't need an underlying crime, which they weren't able to establish here, it's difficult to know as it's noted in the report whether or not he was like firing comey
because he wanted to scuttle the investigation or because of his constitutional rights saying i'm the chief executive, i don't believe this investigation is correct and i believe you're trying to scuttle my administration. in ash that natural security interest, you need to go. it's very difficult to make a determination to what his intentions and motives were. that's essential when you don't have an underlying crime. >> shepard: when you say a meeting was about one thing and you're lying about it, when it was actually about something else, in an effort to keep that information from the public, that's interfering in a sense. but is it obstruction? the attorney general -- well, the mueller team didn't pass judgment on any of those matters. it just said here are the things that the president did. and it said because at least in part of a standing principle of a standing policy within the department of justice, we're not considering this. we did not begin this process with a thought toward
prosecuting. that's for others. he takes these pages and says specifically i guess now, nancy pelosi, here you go. >> right. because their goal is very limited, very circumspect. the public has determined that the truth of this matter is whether or not these people find mueller's team beyond a reasonable doubt. they have a case that they can establish. he's got certain things a ordinary citizen doesn't have. the doj can indict him. so they're saying he didn't obstruct justice. they're saying it's not a prosecutable offense. it's like o.j. o.j. may be found not guilty in a criminal court by 12 people but found responsible by a preponderance of the evidence. in our little world for what we're supposed to do, which is criminal investigation, given a doj memo, here's the data that we believe points towards obstruction and basically if you take it as a mosaic, now you,
congress, have a power if you choose to do so. >> shepard: what did you think of william barr, the attorney general, this morning? >> look, i think that -- i'm glad the report is largely unreda unredacted. i felt like he was trying to be a cheerleader for the president. that's ill-advised for the president. this report speaks for itself. when he gets up there and making comments that are -- he was emotionally upset. that bothered me, shep. i'll tell you why. the president never availed himself to be interviewed to express that. the answers that he gave to the questions in the interrogatories is clear in the report was wholly incomplete, i don't remember, i don't recall, i don't know. when they want more specific answers to those questions, he wouldn't give them. so where is the attorney general coming up with what the emotional temperature was? it was just a gratuitous comment, not a lawyerly one. >> shepard: if the goal is to control the narrative though, the attorney general is supposed
to work for the people, not the president. in this case if you're the president and the attempt is to control the narrative, in other words to tell people, here's what it's going to say before it gets out there 448 pages, i'm the president, i'm happy with what william barr did this morning. if i'm one seeking the truth about what is in this report, in many cases we were deceived. >> at lot of statements that were cheerleading for the president. >> shepard: he said the president fully cooperated. where the president was openly trying to keep people from cooperating and openly trying to keep his own testimony from them. that is not full cooperation by anyone's definition. >> that was surprising given the number of instances that they talked about with respect to the obstruction charge of the things being done after the firing of comey, up to and including trying to get don mcgahn to fire the special counsel, which he refused to do and all of the
witnesses he was trying to support manafort, supporting cohen at the time, trying to dangle out things there in public view in order to -- including pardons. >> shepard: thank you. the president has called the russian investigation a hoax and a witch hunt. today we're learning how the president first reacted to the special counsel's appointment. according to the reporting of robert mueller, the president be rated his former attorney general jeff sessions for letting him down. the report reads in report, "when sessions told the president that a special counsel had been appointed, the president slumped back and said oh, my god. this is terrible, this is end of my presidency. i'm effed." the report can'ts. "the president became angry and lambasted his decision saying how could you let this happen, jeff?" now 701 days later, the president's legal team is calling the results of the
mueller investigation a total victory for the president. that's a quote. october, the report itself says that it does not exonerate the president. robert mueller said that if he could have exonerated him, he would have. ellison barber reporting live at the white house. ellison? >> shep, that's right. despite all of that, the president, his top aides here at the white house and his outside legal team, they're saying the same thing, that right now they feel vindicated. in a statement from president trump's personal attorneys, they said "the report underscores what we've argued from the beginning, there was no collusion or obstruction. after a 17-month investigation, it's clear there was no criminal wrong doing." the special counsel's report says that president trump's efforts to influence the russia investigation were mostly unsuccessful because the people he tried to do things, they wouldn't do it. white house senior adviser, counselor to the.
kellyanne conway was speaking with reporters and she was asked about that. she pushed back on that and accused reporters of cherry picking information in the report. right now the white house as well as the president are adamant. they feel like they won on this. >> shepard: how are staffers reacting? >> this morning there was more of a mixed reaction. i spoke to some staffers that say they were concerned, a little anxious. not necessarily because of what the end result of this might be. remember, they had the attorney general's summary. but because of details that could be in it, they said there was concern that staffers that sat down with the special counsel's team as well as the president, that there could have been embarrassing nuggets related to the president or some things that staffers current or former had said. after attorney general barr's pressure this afternoon, there seemed to be more optimism among white house staffers i spoke to. one staffer told me they felt like a cloud had been lifted. they think this is all done and that democrats are now the
defense because they put so much political capitol in what some staffers as well as the president have called a political witch hunt. among senior staff, there was a bit of a different feeling in the morning. seems like they have not waivered. i spoke to one senior administration official and asked them if they had any concerns. talked about how some staffers say they'd were a little anxious that there could be something embarrassing in it. they said absolutely not at the senior level. they said we know how this book ends. no collusion no, obstruction. that's what the white house seems to be focusing on, the big picture. they say that the final determination there was no collusion, no obstruction. shepard? >> shepard: ellison barber live. thank you. so there's many differences between what the attorney general said this morning before any of us could see the report and what we read once we can see the report. among those, this claim that the president and the white house fully cooperated with the investigation. president trump is set to leave
the white house in the hour on his way to palm beach golf club where if he has anything more to say before he leaves, we'll let you hear that. meantime, the "fox news sunday" anchor chris wallace has been going through the report. good to see you. thank you. >> good to be with you, shep. >> shepard: i heard you earlier on the attorney general's performance this morning. the question is, at what point -- what was his point of greatest deception? would you say that would be about the full cooperation angle of this or something else? >> i'm not sure that it was his point of greatest deception, although there's several and as you point out the question of full cooperation. the thing that troubled me the most, he seemed to be arguing on behalf of the president rather than summarizing the report when it came to the question of obstruction of justice. he says a number of things and i didn't know you could ask me but
i do happen to have his opening statement. at various points he says president trump faced an unprecedented many speculation. there's evidence to show that the president was frustrated and angered by a sincere belief that the investigation was undermining his presidency, propelled by his political opponents and fueled by illegal acts. there's none of that in the mueller report. they certainly described as you pointed out, the president was upset that he heard that a special counsel was named. this kind of characterization is an unprecedented situation, relentless speculation, sincere belief. that seems more argumentative and more something that a counsel for a defendant would say than the attorney general would say in just laying out the facts. if fact, it goes well beyond what is laid out in the mueller report. i'm concerned about that, that he seemed to be arguing on behalf of the president rather
than summarizing the report. >> shepard: chris, you mentioned the facts 0 the mueller report. we've had a chance to read them now. i read for our viewers the ten items in which the special counsel said -- or the ten instances when working toward a decision on obstruction of justice. in each of those, there's either interference, attempted interference or an attempt to get someone underneath you to interfere in one way or another. are those the ten items that robert mueller is sending to nancy pelosi saying now decide if this is obstruction, prosecute if you want? here's what i found as an investigator. it's your turn now? >> yeah, i can't put myself in mueller's mind to know if that's what he's going to do in terms of giving a road map to nancy pelosi. but those are clearly the ten instances that he found. i think one in particular standses out. it's around june 17 of 2017.
about a month after the special counsel has been appointed. there's a story in the paper that the special counsel is now investigating whether the president has engaged in obstruction of justice. co incidentally. and ironically. that really sets the president off. it's not just about russia or collusion but specifically an investigation of the president, whether he obstructed justice. the president goes to fairly dramatic lengths. he calls his counsel, white house lawyer, don mcgahn at least twice and orders him to get in touch with rod rosenstein, the acting attorney general, who is overseeing this and to make sure that mueller is removed as a special counsel. then at a certain point, mcgahn after he's been pressed several times says i will resign before i i do that. in the special counsel report, he did not want to be another
saturday night massacre like richard nixon when he fired his special counsel, archibald cox. people underneath him, the attorney general. so then he goes to corey lewandowski, the president does. his former campaign chairman. he tells him to get in touch with sessions to try to block the special counsel investigation. corey lewandowski wants no part of this. he hands it off to rick dearborn, another person in the white house who had worked in the campaign. he doesn't want any part of it. the special counsel argues one of the reasons there may not have been obstruction of just thinks is because some of the people around the president refused to do what he ordered them to do, so mueller wasn't removed, the investigation wasn't stopped and the attorney general didn't take back control of the situation. it wasn't because the president didn't ask it. it's because a number of the top people refused to do what the president was asking them to do. >> shepard: but that doesn't
absolve the president. it's the asking that is the wrong thing to do. >> well, i don't know. >> shepard: i didn't say if it's criminal. it's not what you're supposed to do. >> shepard: certainly not what you're supposed to do. whether or not that's a basis for a criminal prosecution, evidently the attorney general says no. whether it's the basis for impeachment, that's a police call decision made in the house and perhaps the senate. i do have to say having read this entire report, there's a lot of information in here that is not flattering to the president. whether it's enough to get over nancy pelosi's barrier that she's set which there has to be enough information in here, damaging information that there is bipartisan buy-in, which is not seen as a partisan effort by democrats to basically overturn the results of the 2016 election, i kind of have doubts that there is the basis there that you'll see a wholesale stampede by democrats --
republicans to desert the president and come over to the other side on this. i think politically and legally, it may not be flattering information, may be damaging, but i don't think it's impeachable. >> shepard: we've been reporting many months that the president's main objective is to keep his base together. fulfill promises from the campaign no matter how difficult and keep the base together. with that in mind, the drama that played out in controlling of the narrative or the attempt to at least, to tell people what to think about this, what is your take on how well they succeeded on that today and previous days? >> i think they succeeded quite well. this goes back before the release of the report. this goes back to the very key decision when rudy guliani came on. it was less a legal matter than a political matter. the president had been doing this beforehand but rudy guliani
escalated it. his previous lawyers talked about cooperating and try to get as much done as they could in the hopes that that would end this. but guliani turned spite a political street fight. this was a hoax and it was an effort by the president's political opponents to overturn him. in effect a coup. the president entered into that. you began to see the polls indicate a more partisan reaction to the credibility of the report and to whether or not it was to be believed. just before this report was released, there was a fox news poll -- before the report's release saying when it's released, will it have any pact on your mind? 70% people said it won't change our mind. to a large degree, a poll last night, a fox poll, 65% saying it's not going to change their mind. democrats believe the president did something wrong. republicans back him. so i just don't know that at this point there's a lot of
persuadable people even though there's 448 pages of largely new information. >> shepard: a lot to talk about this easter sunday. who will be your guests? >> we know we'll have rudy guliani. the president's lawyer. i think he did a good job of lawyering and politicking as well. one of the key things is absolutely refusing and basically staring down robert mueller. robert mueller had been threatening to subpoena the president, to get him to testify. rudy guliani refused to do that. i think everybody would agree that particularly given the fact that the president in so many cases, i forget exactly how many the special counsel says in his written answers, the president said i don't recall what happened, the fact that he didn't allow the president to sit for an in-person live interview with the special counsel and his prosecutors probably was very helpful. >> shepard: surprising that he forgot so many things. i remember specifically him telling us that he had one of the best memories ever. >> that's true. >> shepard: he did tell u that.
>> he did. >> shepard: all right. i look forward to seeing you this eastern sunday. happy easter. enjoy. >> thanks, shep. >> shepard: also weighing in on the mueller report, michael cohen. the lawyer for the president's fixer and lawyer saying he can fill us in on some of the info that the justice department officials redacted. and that he will. that's coming up when the news continues in 60 seconds. this is huntsville, alabama. aka, rocket city, usa. this is a very difficult job. failure is not an option. more than half of employees across the country bring financial stress to work. if you're stressed out financially at home, you're going to be too worried to be able to do a good job. i want to be able to offer all of the benefits that keep them satisfied. it is the people that is really the only asset that you have. put your employees on a path to financial wellness with prudential. bring your challenges.
accounts associated with hillary clinton. five hours after the president said that at the podium. that's according to the mueller report. the special counsel's team asked president trump about those comments. in a written response, the president stated that he made the russia if you're listening statement "in gest and sarcastically" as was apparent to any objective observer. that is but one of several written answers that the president submitted to mueller's investigators after his attorneys refused to let the president sit down for an in-person interview. robert mueller called the responses inadequate because there were to follow up questions. robert mueller's team decided not to push further because they had substantial evidence for their report. rich edson live with more. >> shep, the special counsel said they decided against subpoenaing the president because they said it would lead
to be a lengthy constitutional litigation over this. the special counsel does write "the president stated on more than 30 occasions that he does not recall or remember the questions. other answers were incomplete or imprecise. he used that when he talked about participating in a june 2016 meeting in new york at trump tower. communications with wikileaks, being told that vladimir putin supporting him and opposed hillary clinton. and being a wear of conversations between his attorney, michael cohen and any russian officials about the trump tower project in russia. the president answered that he had a few very unremarkable conversations with michael cohen about the moscow project and he
was unenthused about it, shep. >> shepard: on the matter of the questions from the special counsel to the president, the president's lawyers are blaming the special counsel's questions. >> and the president's legal team says in this report, the special counsel did not include the full response that his legal team provided to their office. they is a in part, "you have submitted to the president a series of complex multipapart questions. many are vague and ambiguous. some are overbroad or impredicated open assumptions and some are duplicative and confusing." he said they had a very aggressive schedule with major events happening. shep? >> shepard: rich edson live at justice. thank you. an attorney for the president
trump's fixer, michael cohen, said that he could fill in most of the redacted blanks and cohen himself has tweeted. soon i will address the american people again, tell it all and tell it myself. cohen has pleaded guilty to charges brought by mueller and prosecutors in new york. he's supposed to begin a three-year prison sentence on may 6. but his lawyer has asked congress to help push back the start date. they says he has more information to share about president trump. laura ingle reporting live in new york. laura? >> the name cohen is mentioned 820 times in the over 400 page mueller report released today. parts of it are redacted. some of it appears to be things that we already know. in one example, the special counsel writes about an indense that cohen recalled that took place in candidate trump's office in trump tower. you can see a big chunk of that paragraph is blacked out and picks up with cohen saying after
wikileaks subsequent release of e-mails, candidate trump said to cohen and redacted. cohen told a very similar story to congress in february. that also took place in mr. trump's office. he said trump got a call from former campaign adviser roger stone. >> mr. stone told mr. trump that he had just gotten off the phone with julian assange and that mr. assange told mr. stone that within a couple of days there would be a massive dump of e-mails that would damage hillary clinton's campaign. mr. trump responded by states to the effect, wouldn't that be great. >> cohen's attorney turned to twitter before the redacted report was release hints at more information to come. he said michael cohen can fill
in a bulk of the redactions. we have reached out to davis and cohen to ask when cohen plans to address the american people again. we have not heard back but will pass along when we get that response, shep. >> shepard: thanks, laura. we have a little more. fox urgent. ellison barber with new information on this subject. she just spoke with a source close to michael cohen. as a result, she's going to give us new details. what we've been waiting to hear is, when will michael cohen speak what will michael cohen speak about and what format and all the rest. so what have we learned? ellison barber, what about it? >> yes, for now we're waiting on figuring out when michael cohen might speak. a source close to the president's former fixer is pretty much laughing an what we're hearing from the white house, pushing back specifically on the white house's claims that the mueller report vindicates
president trump or exonerating him. the source close to michael cohen told me this. since the repeated claim there was no pro trump intervention. he said that mueller states that trump was not exonerated from the charge of obstruction, completely contradicting trump's claim that he was. that is a strange definition of exonerated. so far no direct responses from michael cohen but people around him are taking a different view of this report. as we heard from laura ingle, lanny davis, michael cohen's former attorney suggested on twitter that there's more to come. shepard? >> shepard: ellison barber again from the white house. as we reported, the special counsel said that the president's written answers were inadequate because investigators were unable to follow up. let's bring in the anchor of "fox news at night", shannon
bream. >> hi, shep. >> shepard: it's the follow up where you learn not only more facts but state of mind, which for a prosecutor is very important. >> absolutely. you want to read body language, probe and see what they're looking and thinking. it's really a huge difference to hand in the interrogatories where they can sit down with attorneys, take time. there's a deadline. they type out the answers and get them back to you versus sitting face to face in a room, this is about legal strategy on both sides. any prosecutor wants you in the room. the president's legal team constantly counselling him despite his public assertion that he wanted to sit down with the mueller investigators, this won't be a good idea for you, mr. president. they were worried about a perjury trap. the president going off course, sharing additional information. some of these questions are so detailed what were you doing on such and such date. as you can see, he says this is what my calendar said.
it was two years ago. i don't remember. if he's being truthful, it's possible you could get tripped up. so of course, a prosecutor wants you face to face. your legal team never wants that. >> shepard: the mueller report lays out months and months of specific efforts on the part of the president to interfere with this investigation into his own conduct. so why did the mueller team say that it didn't issue a subpoena if it wanted follow up questions? why not issue a subpoena? >> yeah, they knew there would be the legal fight of all time on their hands. probably ending up at the u.s. supreme court. i think they knew it as they noted in the report, it would be a very lengthy timetable to do that. it would slow down the investigation as a whole. they felt probably that they would lose on that as well. the showing you have to make is that the information you're after is not available anywhere else. the only way you can get it is by having this person sit down with you face to face. the president's team said we turned over more than a million pages and documents. the president was tweeting and
talking about them all the time. he was telling you what you needed to know. that's their argument. apparently the special counsel team thought they may not have a winning argument and delay this whole thing if they tried to go through the courts. >> shepard: shannon, among the mueller report's findings, the incidents were offered carried out through one-on-one meetings with the president in which he sought to use his official power outside the usual channels. the actions range from efforts to remove the special counsel and to reverse the effect of the attorney general's recusal. on and on and on. so the special counsel made the case and then said here congress, it's up to you. do you have a sense now for what sort of role the special counsel might be able to play going forward or is the special counsel finished? >> as far as this investigation is done. congress is not done. as you know, they have many investigations going on the senate side, the house side. they have issued this call publicly and formally now for the special counsel to come to
the hill and to talk to them. so he may formally be done with wrapping up this investigation but we know a lot of other cases spun off to the southern district of new york, other things that are connected to this and still very much ongoing in the court system and on the hill. if mueller comes to testify for a lot of folks, this is not going to be a closed case to them. he's formally done with the work but probably long done -- long from done talking about it, shep. >> shepard: see you late night tonight. >> see you at 11:00. >> shepard: coming up, reaction from both parties to mueller's findings. the democratic chairman of the house judiciary committee says he wants to hear from the special counsel himself. once the -- he wants robert mueller to testify. we're hearing this adam schiff will speak in the next some number of minutes. we'll have that for you as well. the mueller report when we continue. are you a veteran, own a home, and need cash?
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nadler of new york setting a deadline of may 23 for robert mueller to testify. and in just in the last hour, congressman nadler said that the report outlines disturbing evidence that president trump did obstruct justice. hillary vaughn reporting live from capitol hill. hillary? >> the report on those compact additionals arrived after 11:00 with no fuss and no fanfare. the arrival of the redacted report does not signal the end of the investigation. mark warner said in a statement, the committee will continue their own investigation. he wants to see not only a full briefing but also the unredacted report and all of the underlying materials that robert mueller used to conduct his findings. house judicialry committee jerry nadler saying he thinks that mueller's report was structured so congress would have a road map to follow in their own
investigation and they intend to do that. >> there's a responsibility for congress to hold the president accountable for his actions. congress must get the full unredacted report along with the underlying evidence by special counsel mueller. congress requires this material. >> some republicans in congress are cheering and feeling vindicated by the report, relief. mark meadows saying he thinks democrats are desperate and manufacturing controversies to see what sticks. roy blunt says he thinks the american public is ready to move on. >> and i think the attorney general and the deputy attorney general had done a good job explaining what they have done and why they have done it and now that report is available for everybody to look at. a level that any reasonable person should accepted. >> shep, we're expecting an uncensored version to be
available to select lawmakers on the hill. to our knowledge, it's not arrived here yet. >> shepard: are we expecting lawmakers to call others named in this report as well? >> yes, the house and the senate saying they're moving forward with their own investigations calling mueller as a witness and they will loop in other people mentioned in the report like rick gates, michael cohen. the special counsel kept things quiet while they conducted their investigation. we're expecting house democrats to bring their witnesses into an open public hearing, shep. >> shepard: hillary, thank you. still a lot of unanswered questions obviously from the special counsel's report and not to mention the ongoing investigations in capitol hill, virginia, southern district of new york. we'll talk more about that coming up. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate actually helps you drive safely...
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>> shepard: the special counsel investigation is over. we have his redacted reports. a lot of questions deal, but we do know that the two-year investigation led to 37 indictments. imagine if we have learned for the first time today of all of this. if we woke up today with no prior knowledge and this was on us. mueller's team charged three companies and 34 individuals, 26 of those people russian nationals linked to hacking nationals or intelligence. six former advisors are all charged, all but one have pleaded guilty. roger stone's trial set to begin in november. imagine if we had learned all of that today. but there are still investigations involving president trump across multiple states and that does not include the congressional investigation into the president. what is next we turn to a legal analyst mercedes and the editor
in chief at xes. beginning or end? >> beginning. if you look at collusion, there are 766 reductions. 316 of them harm to ongoing which still means there is a form of investigation taking place. maybe the focus is not the president but certainly the house of representative wants to see what those reductions are because there might be commit it might lead to others, and want to follow the evidence where it leads. >> shepard: and no harm they are but classified information every single day. there is so much more going on. those reductions ultimately criminal referrals, 14 referrals but we know what two of them. there are 12 completely unknown and criminal in prosecution and at least in an envelope nine ongoing investigations in congress on state and local levels. this is the beginning of the beginning. >> stuart: that is a
>> mercedes: this is where they are known as very good prosecutors. what do we have there? the campaign finance issues because of mcdougall payments to stormy daniels. that is going to be called into question. >> shepard: inauguration as well. >> shepard: $7 million. >> right here in new york. >> shepard: what is this? robert mueller said we did not approach this obstruction of justice case as something that we were going to prosecute. we approach this has a fact finder. so is jerry nadler right when he says what mueller has handed off as sort of a road map for everyone else? >> jerry nadler is the democrat majority in the house and of course whatever he says is right because he's in charge and he has power and he can certainly as you said will follow the evidence wherever it goes. and mueller has given a road map. correct for congress to pursue
this. >> mercedes: that is exactly right but to what end is what people are talking about? is there going to beep impeachment as an issue here? >> shepard: nadler said there's got to be an investigation. >> mercedes: it is very broad when it talks about impeachment. misdemeanors, and we will look into all those areas to decide whether impeachment is promotable. and really to consider because obviously, a letter saying we shouldn't talk about that. >> shepard: and the election is coming up so 18 people running for the democratic nomination. an increased political pressure on nancy pelosi. >> shepard: really, but really just the beginning. just so much happening. >> shepard: when you look at, well, what we were told in this report because obviously bill barr had the report for three weeks, his description of what was in the report and then what
we found in the report, two completely different things. and so, i guess their goal and we talked about it through out the hour if they tried to control the narrative they did a good job day one but you wonder the facts in the mueller report will take a day or if those who are against the president will take the facts and those with the president will take the narrative and bill barr. >> mercedes: if you look at volume 2, as an executive summary at the very beginning, mueller marshall knew the facts into consideration of firing james comey. the fact that the issue regarding session. you shouldn't be recused. to speak to push to have at least some sense of control of taking place with the russian investigation. what i think and i know bob talked about this at the beginning of the hour, what mueller struggled with there was not evidence of an underlying crime. usually, when you have obstruction of justice, the reason someone tampering with the investigation is because they are guilty of a crime.
here, you don't have that. that is one of the things that mueller even talks about at the very beginning of the executive summary. usually, that's not how it plays out. usually we have a crime to be covered up but we don't have a crime. these are facts you should consider. james comey being one of them in the marshals nine others. >> shepard: at the polling to change peoples minds and the american say no, these are hard and fast positions on the opinion? i don't know if you will see that play out in court. >> shepard: what was the biggest takeaway? >> going to the members of the staff and take steps on this and all of them saying no. >> mercedes: as defense attorney i hope my clients get the benefit of the doubt. that the president was given. because when you see the lift of actions mueller identified, a summary, you are exactly right. all of these overtures to staff members, you just, you must read it and conclude there is been something wrong.
>> shepard: they did not conclude. that is next. thank you both. bells ringing on wall street. it is an update from a lot of green and the dow 112 points and neil cavuto will have that in all the political news wing your world begins right now. >> neil: thank you very much. over the today's development, also, the special counsel bob mueller report is out. at the white house, very confident president donald trump speaks as he takes off for florida. also life on capitol hill, lawmakers on both sides out of town but are already taking off the gloves. as i said live on wall street, for good reason or not? listen, everybody happy to have you, "your world with neil cavuto," five hours since attorney general bill barr released the redacted reports. although redacted is not just -- catherine herridge on what happens now,