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you've got ten days to get your christmas shopping done. i'm scared to see you this weekend will see you again. girl. chris: imchris wallace much the house of representatives set to vote on impeachment this week. the fbi faces fire from an inspector general's review of the trump russia investigation. ♪ >> so many basic fundamental errors were made by three separate hand-picked investigative teams on one of the most investigative investigations. chris: ig finding no political bias opening the probe of the jump tam cain. but laying out plenty of blame. we'll discuss findings with former fbi director james comey who says the report clears him. it's a "fox news sunday"
exclusive. then a straight party-line vote. >> aye. no. >> aye. >> no. >> article is agreed to. the resolution amended as reported favorably to the house. chris: sends two articles of impeachment to the full house, laying out charges of abuse of power and obstruction of congress against president trump. >> to use the power of impeachment on this nonsense is an embarassment, to this country. chris: we'll ask pam bondi, special advisor to the president about the white house strategy. we'll discuss the democrat's case with house intelligence chair, adam schiff. we'll ask our sunday panel what new fox polls mean for impeachment and the20 race. all right now. on "fox news sunday." ♪ chris: hello from fox news in
washington. this week members of the house will cast one of the most consequential votes of their careers. for or against impeaching the 45th president of the united states, donald trump. democrats are expected to approve two articles of impeachment on a straight party-line vote, setting up a senate trial early next year. meanwhile the inspector general of the justice department released his long-awaited report on the fbi's handling of the trump-russia investigation. in a moment we'll discuss that in an exclusive interview with former fbi director james comey. but first, let's bring in kevin corke with the latest from the white house. kevin in. reporter: chris, trade deals with canada, mexico, even china, a major domestic policy victory on paid family leave. normally each would be a headline in its own right but the release of the long-awaited ig report, of course a party-line vote on impeachment, overshadowed them all. >> today is a solemn, and sad
day. >> it went as expected. >> aye. reporter: 23-17 party line judiciary committee vote charging the president with abusing the power of his office over the ukraine scandal and obstructing house democrats attempt to investigate him for it. the move sets stage for a full house vote this week where democrats currently hold 233 seats. would only need 216 votes. while new fox polling suggests the nation remains split on impeachment, with no change since early october. though majority of those surveyed, believe he did abuse his power. >> the impeachment is a hoax. it's a sham. reporter: the president meanwhile remained defiant, buoyed by the fact of the gop controlled senate made it clear if there is a trial they won't remove him from office. and perhaps, by the release of the long-awaited inspector general's report, investigating fisa abuse and origins of the russia probe, which found significant inaccuracies and omissions, made in applications
to surveil trump campaign aid carter page. inflaming the president's rhetoric that his campaign and indeed his presidency were spied upon. inspector general horowitz said he was deeply concerned there were so many basic fundamental errors made by three hand-picked investigative teams. though, he said he was unable to prove any political bias. chris? chris: kevin corke, reporting from the white house. kevin, thank you. joining us now, former fbi director james comey. director, welcome to "fox news sunday." >> thanks for having me. chris: you have been taking something of a victory lap since the i.g. report was released earlier this week. the question is whether or not it's justified. here are you and the inspector general, michael horowitz answering the same question. >> do you think this is vindication? >> it is. i mean the fbi has had to wait two years while the president and his followers lied about the institution. finally the truth gets told. >> does your report vindicate
mr. comey? >> it doesn't vindicate at anyone at the fbi who touched this including leadership. chris: the i.g. says you should feel no vindication. >> maybe turns upon how we understand the word. what i mean is, that the fbi was accused of treason, of illegal spying, of tapping mr. trump's wires illegally, opening an investigation without justification of being a criminal conspiracy to unseat, defeat and unseat a president. all of that was nonsense. i think it's really important that the inspector general looked at that, that the american people, your viewers, all viewers understand that's true, but he also found that things we were never accused of which is real sloppiness. that is concerning. as i said all along has to be focused on. if i were director i would be very concerned about it and diving into it. chris: sloppiness may be a euphemism what he found. one of the his big concerns the way the fbi handled the fisa applications and warrants that
allowed you to surveil carter page who was a former foreign policy advisor to the trump campaign. again, here is what you said about the fisa process and what the inspector general horowitz said this week. take a look. >> total confidence that the fisa process was followed and that the entire case was handled in a thoughtful, responsible way by doj and the fbi. >> we identified significant inaccuracies and omissions in each of the four applications. seven in the first application, and a total of 17 by the final renewal application. chris: 17 significant errors in the fisa process and you say that it was handled in a thoughtful and appropriate way. >> he is right. i was wrong. i was overconfident in the procedures that the fbi and justice had built over 20 years. i thought they were robust enough. it is incredible hard to get a nice sat i was overconfident in those. he was right, there was real sloppiness. 17 things that either should have been in the applications or
at least discussed or characterized differently t was not acceptable. so he is right. i was wrong. chris: you make it sound like you're a bystander, an eyewitness. you were the director of the fbi while a lot of this was going on, sir. >> sure i'm responsible. i am telling you i was wrong. i was overconfident as director in our procedures. it is important that a leader be accountable and transparent. if i were still director i would be saying exactly the same thing chrisway is saying we'll get to the bottom of this. the most important is it systemic? are this problems in other cases. chris: one of the central issues is the role that the steele dossier which was open owe research paid by democrats, what role it played in getting the fisa warrants to surveil page. again, here's your version and again here's the inspector general. >> my recollection was it was part of a broader mosaic of facts that were laid before the fisa judge to obtain a fisa warrant. >> we concluded that the steele
reporting played a central and essential role in the decision to seek a fisa order. chris: horowitz says it wasn't part as you told bret baier, it was not part of a broader mosaic. he said it played an essential role in establishing probable cause. he said in fact he says if it hadn't been for the steele dossier the fbi wouldn't even have submitted a fisa application that had been reviewed in april of 2016 or august of 2016. decided not to do it. they get the steele dossier. they do i had. it was not part of a broader mosaic. that is what you said sir? >> i'm not sure he and i are saying different things. what his report says the fbi thought it was a close call until they got the steele report, put that additional information in and that tipped it every to be probable cause. it's a long fisa application. includes steele material. lots of other material i don't think you are saying different things, i think you are, sir because he is saying you're saying part of a broader mosaic just one element. he is saying the tipping point.
that brought it over. doesn't make it part of the broader mosaic, makes it the center peas of the whole fisa application. >> i don't understand it to be saying that. i could be wrong about that. chris: i got his quote here. he says, we concluded the steele reporting played a central and essential role in the decision to seek a fisa warrant, that it pushed the fisa proposal over the line in terms of the establishing probable cause. i mean he says what he says. words mean something. >> yeah. i agree with his characterization. i'm just, i don't see the disconnect between the two of us, i'm sorry i'm missing it. chris: you don't see a difference it is part of a broader mosaic and played an essential role in establishing probable cause? >> it was one of a bunch of different facts that were assembled to apply to the court. it was the one that convinced lawyers they had enough now with that added to the pile to go forward. chris: i guess the question is, it seemed you were minimizing the role of the steele dossier
and he is saying it's a lot more important than you let on. >> if i was, then i'm sorry that i did that but i meant it was one part of the presentation to the court. it was not a huge part of the presentation to the court but it was the fact according to his report that convinced the lawyers to go forward. chris: all right. then there is the issue of how reliable the steele dossier in fact was. on january 6th, 2017 in the trump tower, you briefed donald trump, president-elect about the steele dossier. that same month the fbi talks to steele's main russian contact, named person who he based the dossier who says according to the i.g. report, steele misstated or exaggerated the primary subsources or statements in multiple sections of the reporting. director, comey, not only do you fail to go back to the president-elect or president after january 20th, tell him, oh, you know that report i
briefed you on, turns out is bunk, but the fbi goes back and renews its fisa application three more times and by this point the fbi knows that the steele reporting is not credible. >> yeah i think you're mischaracterizing both what the fbi knew and what mr. horowitz says in his report. they didn't conclude the reporting in steele was bunk. they said there were questions about subsource reporting that should have been included in renewals. when i brief the president, i said i didn't know whether it was true or not, i just needed him to know about it. chris: i think you're mischaracterizing. steele isn't, horowitz isn't saying that the subsource, the russian contact was unreliable or was inaccurate, the russian contact said to the fbi, steele is unreliable because he misrepresented. steele misstated or exaggerated the sources, statements and
multiple sections of the report. he is saying i told him one thing and he wrote something else. the fbi knew that. >> yeah, but that doesn't drive a conclusion that steele's reporting is bunk. there are number of tricky things. you're interviewing subsource after you will the report has become public. as counterintelligence investigator is he walking away from it because it is now public? that has to go to into your assessment of mr. steele. chris: if it had become public just barely. this is january 2017. this isn't two years later. >> when it blew up, published by whatever the outfit, bus feed was all over the news. it had become a big deal. chris: did you know all of this? >> all of what? chris: everything that we're talking about here? did you know that in fact the steele report was the key for probable cause? did you know that the fbi had talked to the russian contact and said what steel said, he had told them was not true? did you know this? you're the fbi director? >> first, again, the report will speak for itself.
i don't believe the fbi concluded that steele's reporting was bunk after talking to his subsource. i didn't -- as director you're not kept informed on details of a an investigation no, in general i didn't know what they learned from the subsource. i didn't know the particulars of the investigation. chris: this isn't just some investigation, sir. this is an investigation of the campaign of the man who is the president of the united states. you just been through a firestorm investigating hillary clinton. i would think if i were in your position i would have been on that, you know, like a junkyard dog. i would have wanted to know everything they were doing in investigating the trump campaign? >> that is not the way it works though. as director sitting on top of a organization of 38,000 people you can't run an investigation that is seven layers below you. you have to leave it to the career professionals to do, to special agents do this for their lives. if a director tries to run an investigation it will get mucked up in all different kinds of ways, given his or her
responsibility as impossibility reaching work done at lower level. chris: then there is, the worst misconduct. in august of 2016, just two weeks into the investigation the cia tells the fbi that it actually has a relationship with carter page. that when he has these meetings with the russians, he actually goes back and tells the cia about it but you never tell the fisa court that. in fact, in 2017, an fbi lawyer doctors a document, the cia said, oh, carter page he is a source and he puts in the application, he is not a source. >> i take issue, i'll answer the question, one of the predications of your question, the inspector general did not find misconduct by any fbi people. he found mistakes. chris: that is not true. in the case of kevin clients smith he referred it for criminal investigation. >> that is not been resolved. lawyer changing email to partner on the time. chris: you make it sound like it
is not much. >> it is very important. chris: a source to not a source is a big deal. >> remember how we got here. the fbi was accused of criminal misconduct. i was going to jail, lots of other people boeing to jail, people on this network said it over and over again. the inspector general did not find misconduct by fbi personnel. did not find political bias. did not find illegal conduct. the inspector general found significant mistakes. that is not something to sneeze at. that is really important. but the american people, especially your viewers, need to realize they were given false information about the fbi. it is honest. it is not political. it is flawed. chris: would you agree the fisa court was also given false information by the fbi? >> i think that's fair. the fbi should have included or pushed to the lawyers so they could make a decision information that you just said things like that, that the another agency, not a source relationship but some kind of contact relationship. chris: okay. i want to get to three last questions. >> okay. chris: one of them has to do with how serious what this is. you have talked a lot about
mistakes or sloppiness. horowitz concludes, three separate teams made significant errors in four separate fisa applications on one of the fbi's most significant cases. the investigation of president trump and his campaign. >> he was, trump i have to keep correcting you. president trump was not being investigated. his campaign was not being investigated. four americans, two of whom no longer associated with campaign were being investigated. chris: he was asked how he spain's it. horowitz. here he is. >> it's unclear what the motivations were. on one hand gross incompetence, negligence. on other hand intentionnalty. chris: gross negligence, or they intended to do it, intended to lie to the fisa court. you were in charge during a lot of this, sir. in fact you signed the fisa applications. >> sure. i think i signed at least two or three of them. he doesn't conclude that there was intentional misconduct by
career special agents. chris: one of two things, he can't decide. gross negligence or it was intentional misconduct. that is what he said. >> i read his report. we are not concluding by intentional misconduct. chris: did you hear what he said here. >> i did. chris: he was asked specifically how do you explain it? gross negligence or intention faulty. >> he doesn't find intentionnalty. that doesn't make it any less important of the as director you are responsible for this. i was responsible for this. if i were still there, do what chris wray is doing. how did this happen and is it simmic, that is the scariest thought. chris: if you were still there, all of it came out and turned out it happened on your watch. would you resign? >> no, i don't the. i think mistakes more consequential than this during my tenure. to be transparent about it, look to fix it, explain to the american people how you fix it. chris: couple final questions. attorney general barr has been harshly critical of had you the
fbi conducted this entire investigation. here is how he reacted to the i.g.'s findings of whatever you want to call it, in the handling of the fisa applications. >> these irregularities, these misstates, these omissions were knot sat satisfactorily explained. i think that leaves open the possibility to infer bad faith. chris: given the repeated errors, some say abuses of the fisa process, does attorney general barr have a point. >> no. he does not have have factual basis as attorney general of the united states that agents investigated in bad faith. the facts are not there. full stop. that doesn't make it any less consequential or any less important but that is a irresponsible statement. chris: finally, here is president trump. here is how he reacted to the ig report on the fbi investigation. >> they have destroyed the lives of people that were great people. that are still great people.
their lives have been destroyed by scum, okay, by scum. chris: i would like your response to that. i would like you to specifically, because you said the other day where does former fbi lawyer lisa page go to get her reputation back? where does carter page go, the target of these fisa warrants and surveillance, where does he go to get his reputation back? >> a great question. carter page was treated unfairly. most significantly by his name being made public. he is a united states citizen. and it never should have been made public. that is an outrage. but that statement is just continuation of the lies about the fbi. the fbi is an honest, apolitical organization. remember the treason, remember the spying, remember all of us going to jail. that was false information that your viewers and millions of others were given. my own mother-in-law was worried i was going to jail. i kept telling her. it is all made up, all made up. don't worry about it. i couldn't say that publicly for
two years. now i'm saying it on behalf of the fbi. it was all made up. i hope people will stair at that and learn what the fbi is like, human and flawed but deeply committed to trying to do the right thing. chris: director comey, people will have their reaction to what you said but thank you for coming in. thank you for taking all our questions, sir. >> thanks for having me. chris: up next we'll discuss white house plans for defending the president with a key member of his impeachment team. former florida attorney general pam bondi joins us next. ♪. man: sneezes skip to the good part with alka-seltzer plus. now with 25% more concentrated power. nothing works faster for powerful cold relief. oh, what a relief it is! so fast! at chevy, we're all about bringing families together. this time of year, that's really important. so we're making it easier than ever to become part of our family. that's why our chevy employee discount
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president trump has lashed out calling it investment to the country. but he has it could be good for him politically you said you wanted to respond to director comey. >> sure do. chris: go ahead. >> he is right. the men and women in the fbi deserve much better than what they had in james comey. that man was fired in disgrace. he must have read a different report than we all read. he presided over the fbi in times worse than when j. edgar hoover was at the fbi. that man led the fbi and it's unbelievable. that steele dossier was essential and central to this report. it was fake. we know it was fake. and he says that his people did nothing wrong? first of all, he was the leader. he was the one charged with briefing the president when in fact he was spying on the president. i, that guy needs a lawyer by the way. i can't believe this.
he repeatedly misled the fisa court, clients smith -- clinesmith as you said, doctored an email as well as the people refusing to provide the court with exculpatory evidence. evidence that would clear the president. chris: we went over a lot of that with him. on the other hand, and i want to move on to impeachment, on the other hand, comey does point out that the inspector general found there was no political bias in opening, not the fisa warrant, opening the investigation and that it was opened on a legitimate basis and he points out all of the president's talk about obama ordering the tapping of his phones, all the talk about treason. i mean, if comey's responsible for his misstatements is the president responsible for his? >> well, first of all comey was spying on the president when he went in to brief him, yet they felled compelled to brief russia and putin, yet not the candidate and then the president-elect of
the united states. chris: but you're not answering my question. >> yeah. let me answer the question about you saying there was no bias opening the report. chris: i didn't say it. that is what the inspector general said. >> yeah. john durham disagreed with that the inspector general can only look at doj he can only talk to people who would talk to him. he tried to talk to comey. he brought comey in. he had to read, comey kept saying he couldn't recall, he couldn't recollect. they had to read him back in his security clearance, he refused to do that because he didn't want to answer for all this. john durham says he disagrees with that because he has, he can talk to outside entities such as the cia, many others. he can talk to other people. he can talk to other countries. we need to wait and see. love to come back on your show after durham answers his investigation. by the way he has a grand jury. a lot of people need to be very, very concerned. chris: that is a date. we'll have you back on. let's talk about impeachment. let's talk about the senate
trial. here's what senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said about working with the white house this week. >> everything i do during this i'm coordinating with the white house counsel. there will be no difference between the president's position and our position as to how to handle this. chris: now democrats note that before an impeachment trial all senators have to raise their right hand to take an oath to do impartial justice. how impartial can it be when the mcconnell says that he quote, is taking his cues from the white house? >> well, okay, so chris, go back to the house proceedings. adam schiff started those proceedings himself hidden in the bunker of -- hold on. chris: but wait, i'm asking you about mcconnell saying he is taking his cues from the white house of the please answer the question. >> so we weren't given a fair trial in the house at all. now it goes to senate and these senators, the president deserves to be heard. we should be working hand in
hand with him. the rules of evidence will apply. these are the senators who will decide if our president is impeached which will not happen. we should and will work hand in hand with him. these are some of the weakest charges out there, chris. you know that. originally bribery, all these things were thrown out. absolutely nothing. we wouldn't be doing our job if we weren't working hand in hand with the senate to clear the president of this charade, this sham, that started with adam schiff, your next guest and we're not going to let it continue in the u.s. senate because we will have fair proceedings. chris: all right. let's turn to this week, when the house is basically certain to impeach the president of the united states. here is the chair of the judiciary committee, jerry nadler. >> for the third time in a little over a century and a half, the house judiciary committee voted articles of impeachment against a president. chris: now i read earlier interviews with you, you say the
president is focused on doing the people's business but, this is a stain. the president says it is not a good thing for your resume'. i'm not asking you on political talking points, on a human level, i know you've been in conversations with him, how does he feel about the fact he is about to be the third president in american history to be impeached? >> well the president says this is difficult on his family. of course it is, because during the week, chris, when they delivered a disgraceful vote to impeach the president, during that week, these are not talking points, this is what the president was doing, the work of the american people. usmca, the china trade deal, the the work of the american people. combating anti-semitism by executive order. holding a summit on family pay leave. that is his focus, going non-stop for the american people. is this difficult? of course it is. that is why the lawyers, we are all handling this impeachment
sham and charade with the weakest of weak evidence, now as you said, going to the u.s. senate. chris: okay. i didn't say it was a weak case. i just asked but the senate trial. congressman jeff van drew of new jersey who is one of the two democrats who voted against the impeachment inquiry in the first place plans to switch parties and become a republican. are you in the white house are you asking him to hold off he casts vote impeachment this week he casts it as a democrat? >> no. i have had -- you know what? i have had no conversations with him nor have i known any of that. i heard that this morning he would change his party. he is probably changing his party, chris, he knows what his constituents care about. they care about jobs. they care about the economy. they care about the safety of their community. all these things have not been happening because of sham proceedings started by your next
guest, adam schiff, in a secret room in a bunker. republicans, democrat are seeing this democrats care about what their constituents want, what is important to this country. they know the president will not be impeached. all this money and time being wasted when so many great things, so many bipartisan things could be happening for our country. chris: i have one final question for you. president trump tweeted late yesterday that we, "fox news sunday," should not even be doing an interview with james comey or with adam schiff. i want to put up his tweet. he writes, both comey, cast. msnbc and fake news cnn are watching their ratings tank. don't know why fox news wants to be more like them. they will all die together as other outlets take their place. only pro-trump fox shows do well. my question, pam, does the president understand it is duty
of a free and fair press to cover both sides of the story? >> chris, of course he does. i think he is so tired of hearing all these lies. and frankly i will disagree with the president right now. i'm glad you had james comey on. because you caught him in multiple misrepresentations once again. i can't wait to hear from adam schiff next. he is one who abused, only one who abused their power in this entire proceeding is adam schiff. i want to hear him answer your tough questions. he has lied ad nauseam about the president, about the involvement, subpoenaing phone records of his colleagues, attorneys and fellow journalists? so i can't wait to hear what he will say when you question him. chris: well, thank you very much for the promo. thanks for the plug. pam bondi. thank you. thanks for your time. please come back. we'll have more tough questions for you. >> i would love to, thank you. chris: coming up, we'll discuss democrats case for impeachment. what a senate trial would look
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♪. chris: next week the house, full house will vote whether the president abused power of his office and obstructed congress, that rose from a intelligence committee investigation led by our next guest, congressman adam schiff, a frequent target from the president. president trump says this is the weakest impeachment after president in history. he calls it impeachment light. here is what he said, well, actually, excuse me, here is
what you said during the hearings about the crimes he committed. >> it was a failed effort to bribe ukraine. a failed effort to extort ukraine. chris: but the president notes that none of that, bribery, extortion, is in the articles of impeachment. why not? >> we charged the president with abusing his power. bribery and extortion are a subset of an abuse of power. frankly, abuse of power better connotes the full range of the president's misconduct. the pattern of his misconduct. his efforts to invite russian interference, his efforts to obstruct the inquiry into that and
this may be the most serious of the articles because it would fundamentally alter the balance of power and allow for much freighter misconduct in the chief executive the country. last point i would make, chris, among the abilities of stonewalling is the utter refusal to turn over a single document from any of the departments. turn over notes, for example, of ambassador taylor or his cable to secretary pompeo. all these things are being withheld. there is no legal basis to do so. so, yes the president can sue all he wants. it is delay tactic. he repeatedly lost in court, but that doesn't make it any less act of obstruction. chris: president trump says that if the house as expected votes
articles of impeachment this week and it goes to a senate trial he would like to call you as a witness. here he is on you. >> that adam schiff is deranged human being. i think he grew up with a complex for lots of reasons that are obvious. i think he is a very sick man. chris: first of all, what do you think of the president's psychoanalysis and if his lawyers call you to testify as a witness on the senate floor, will you comply? >> well, in terms of the president's comments i guess all i would say this president does nothing if not project on to others his own misconduct. in terms of whether i'm a witness, i'm not a fact witness in any way, chris. the president knows that he also wants to call the speaker as a witness. this is merely his common tactic. he can't defend his gross misconduct. he can't defend his abuse of power, withholding 400 million in military aid so he simply
attacks that stand up to him. chris: one point on the fact witness, because he would say the contact of you or member of your staff had with the whistleblower does make you a fact witness? >> well the fact that the whistleblower did have contact with my staff doesn't make me a fact witness but nonetheless, nor does it make the speaker a fact witness. this isn't about fact witnesses. there are in fact members of congress who are witnesses. senator johnson had a discussion with the president. senator graham had discussions with the president about the withholding of aid. they may be the fact witnesses. we didn't seek to call them. we're not seeking to make a circus out of this because the president is. he can't defend his gross abuse of his office. he can't defend withholding military aid of ally at war. the dan he has done to our national security. all he can do is attack. sadly too many republican members are willing to debase themselves by doing whatever the president asks. chris: finally, i want to switch to the inspector general report because you have weighed in on
that. in 2018 you were the ranking member, the top democrat in the minority in the intelligence committee. devin nunez then republican cherish issued a report talking about all the problems with the fisa warrants and the fbi case. you defended the fbi's use of fisa warrants to surveil carter page in a lengthy memo. here you are discussing that. >> this is important for the public to see the facts that, the fbi acted appropriately in seeking a warrant on carter page. they're not part of some deep state as the president apparently would like the public to believe. chris: after reading the i.g.'s report, which discusses 17 serious rare roars of omission -- errors, of omission, some would say misconduct on the part of the fbi do you still think the fbi act the appropriately as you said there? >> well i think this is consistent with the ig report. they were right to seek a fisa on carter page. there wasn't some deep state
conspiracy. there was no spying on the trump campaign. there was no effort to based on political bias open the investigation. it was properly predicated. but there were nonetheless serious abuses of fisa which were not apparent two years ago but which have become apparent now with 170 witnesses interviewed and two million documents reviewed by the ig. and i am glad that the i.g. made the recommendations that he has made and fbi is going to follow them but that wasn't apparent to us two years ago but the most significant things i think are that corrective steps will be taken in terms of the fisa process. and that the i.g. debunked these claims by the president, by mr. nunes and others of this deep state conspiracy, improper investigation that would have been negligent for them not to conduct this investigation. chris: just got a minute left because at that time, in 2018, you said the fbi and department of justice did not quote, omit
material information. apparently you did not know at the time steele's main russian sources told the fbi that he had misrepresented what that russian source said and fbi knew at the time that quarter page in fact was acting as a contact, unofficial source for the cia. given what you know now, we talked earlier to director comey. he basically said i was wrong in what i represented back in 2018. are you willing to admit you were wrong in your defense of the fbi's fisa process? >> i'm certainly willing to admit that the inspector general found serious abuses of fisa that i was unaware of. had i known of them, chris, yes i would have called out the fbi at the same time but i think it is only fair to judge what we knew at the time, not what would be revealed two years later but yes there were very serious abuses of the fisa process. they need to be corrected. we need to make sure they never happen again.
chris: chairman schiff. thank you for your time. always good to talk with you. >> thank you. chris: up next we bring in the sunday group to discuss the i.g. report. impeachment and new fox polls on the state of the 2020 democratic race. ♪. i like chillaxin'. the united explorer card makes things easy. traveling lighter. taking a shortcut. woooo! taking a breather. rewarded! learn more at the explorer card dot com.
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>> this was an overthrow of government. an attempted overthrow. a lot of people were in on it and they got caught. they got caught red-handed. chris: president trump reacting to the inspector general report on how the fbi handled its trump russia investigation and time now for our sunday group. guy benson, fox news radio, mo he ellithe.
e. host of ground game comcast. katie pavlich. let me start with you. democrats are hanging their hat in terms of the i.g. report, in finding investigation of the trump campaign was legitimate i opened. there was no political bias. republicans on repeated abuses or errors in the fisa process. who has the better side of that argument? >> i think republicans do. democrats should be very concerned what the i.g. laid out in his testimony and his report. james comey, former fbi director in his interview with you continues to refer to omissions, mistakes, sloppy behavior, but you don't omit information like carter page is an asset for the cia in fisa application if you don't do that on purpose. that is not something you forget about. you don't fail to take out information that christopher steele is connected to the clinton campaign through the dossier by mistake. these are things obviously
calculated. the i.g. repeatedly kept saying why people feel there may be some kind of a bias here. it is inexplicable why 17 actions happened. the explanation for this there was a group hand-picked by andrew mccabe at fbi. they were all engaged at this. not a single person said why are we omitting, doctoring information to lie to the fisa court? chris: mo, i understand there are two reports. horowitz says there was no political bias opening the investigation. he talks about problems, big problems with the fisa process, but isn't it harder to argue there was no political bias overall when you see 17 mistakes made by three teams on four separate fisa applications? >> well, you can say that and the inspector general seems to say looking at what led to the fisa application was not politically motivated. that was not based on any political bias.
you can look at the end result, see that of the four individuals who were investigated, three of them were either convicted or pled guilt to some sort of a crime. you can say there were serious problems and that the fbi should look at whether or not they are systemic, whether they were intentional or whether they were sloppiness. all of these things can be true and i think either side that tries to cherry-pick the results of this and point to just what helps them is doing a huge disservice to this process. all of these things seem to be true or can be true and should be part of the conversation. chris: okay. let's turn to impeachment and the apparent vote to impeach and a trial in the senate. julie, talking to your sources at the white house, have they figured out what they want in a senate trial? there is debate, a long trial, conditions, hunter biden,
whistleblower, maybe john bolton? have they figured out they want long trial with all of this spilling out or much shorter trial which basically they go over the evidence that is already established, and what about this confusion as to who will be lead the defense for the president? everybody assumed it would be the white house counsel, pat cipollone, president is polling people as he wont to do. maybe we should find somebody else? >> there are a lot of active discussions underway inside the white house and between the white house and republican leaders of the senate, what will this look like who will defend the president. president thought i would be okay with a short trial but wants a longer one. president trump doesn't want acquittal through this trial, he wants vindication. he wants people to watch this trial, six days a week, come out not say i don't think he should be removed from office. i don't think he did anything wrong. there is some interest on the senate republican side in just simply getting through this
quickly, just saying that we'll acquit the president and moving on but the president is pushing for more. to your question about cipollone this, is classic trump hire. this is the person who was seen as the lead lawyer here but trump also looks at this as reality television star. there will be a televised process. he wants the best person, not just legally but also for the visual effect, for the televised portion of this. the big question, this comes up a lot when you see second-guessing who would the replacement be? there hasn't been a clear. chris: [inaudible] >> not a popular option among a lot of senate republicans right now. chris: we told you about new fox polls on impeachment at the top of the hour. we also did some polling about the state of the 2020 race. we want to put those up. in the democratic horse race, joe biden holds on to a solid lead, 10 points ahead, national polls, 10 points ahead of bernie sanders. elizabeth warren has faded to
third. pete buttigieg and michael bloomberg in single digits. everybody else behind them. democrats seem to be leaning more moderate at this point asked who is about right on the issues, biden and buttigieg lead the way. bloomberg does pretty well too. guy, what do those numbers tell you about the state of the democratic race and state of the democratic electorate. >> joe biden keeps trucking along. there is all the flaws. he gives bad answers. certainly in debates he has occasional head scratchers of answers but electorate is looking at their options, the democratic electorate, we think this is probably our safest bet to beat president trump. a lot of polling both nationally and swing state crucial states bears that out. what struck me the democratic primary voters on sort of the porridge test, is it too left, too right or just right when it comes to positions on issues, joe biden has a double-digit lead on that question over both
elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. if you break it out not just democrats, nationally, you ask all voters, do these people have the right ideas, bernie and warren are both at 31% who say yes we're good with that. that is less than 1/3 of the population comfortable with the positions of warren and sanders that's significant. chris: mo, i want to sneak you in. we have less than a minute left. has the democratic push to the left, green new deal, "medicare for all," has that abated? are democrats focusing more on now beating the president and being more in the center? >> i think if you look at, excuse me, multiple polls, you will see the point that guy just made. that is the democratic electorate is not following the narrative there is this huge left ward lurch in the party. democratic voters tend to be more center-left than some of the party leaders are. one of the untold stories of
this election so far has been staying power of joe biden, not just in national polls but in iowa and new hampshire. he is still there at the top. chris: it is interesting, they had an election in england, the head of labour, jeremy corbin, lost in a landslide. there is difference between twitter and real people that go into the voting booth. thank you, panel. see you next sunday. why our first amendment freedoms still make america ( ♪ ) at chevy, we're all about bringing families together. this time of year, that's really important. so we're making it easier than ever to become part of our family. man: that's why our chevy employee discount is now available to everyone. the chevy price you pay is what we pay. not a cent more. family is important to us. and we'd like you to be part of ours. so happy holidays. and welcome to the family. the chevy family! get the chevy employee discount for everyone today.
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amendment this week. i was invited to talk about the importance of a fair and impartial press. there wasn't much that about mymy comments on bias in the media so here is some of that. >> we are not participants in what we cover. we are umpires, observers trying to be objective witnesses to what is going on. if the president or anyone we we are covering says something untrue or does something questionable we can and should report it but we shouldn't be drawn into the fight. we shouldn't be drawn into taking sides, as tempting as that is. we are not as good at it as they are,t and we are abandoning the special role the founders gave us in this democracy. >> it closes at the end of the month after moreha than 11 years and more than 10 million visitors. the freedom forum says the museum will go on either in a new location or on new
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