tv Outnumbered Overtime With Harris Faulkner FOX News December 16, 2019 10:00am-11:00am PST
>> so glad to have you jump-starting a fantastic week, well done. we are back here at noon eastern on the couch, "outnumbered" over time with starts right now. one that we begin with a fox news alert and you know if democrats pass impeachment in the house of the next go to the senate so that's why this is particularly interesting. we are now awaiting brand-new remarks from senate minority leader chuck schumer after the release of the house judiciary committee's 658 page report making the case for impeachment. this is "outnumbered" overtime, i am harris faulkner. senator schumer is expected to lay out his opening offer to republican majority leader senator mitch mcconnell on a possible trial in the senate. schumer says he wants to call for witnesses who refused to speak to the house. they include white house chief of staff mick mulvaney, former national security advisor john bolton, mulvaney senior advisor robert blair, an office of
manager and budget office michael duffy. earlier today, schumer explains why he wants to hear from those men. >> the four witnesses we've asked for, the documents we've asked for our directly dispositive on what the actual facts were. the house came up with a whole lot. but some of my republican colleague said these charges are serious but i'm not sure there's enough evidence. that's why these people should come. >> harris: chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel is live on capitol hill. >> you see the negotiation on the senate side of the capital and on the house side of the capital, they are working to round up support ahead of four votes on impeachment. to swing state democrats, swing district democrats say they are a "yes" on impeachment, they are jason crow of colorado and alyssa of michigan, judiciary and intelligence committees as inspector was on, house democratic leadership to keep their members in line.
>> the vote will be on wednesday despite what a democratic scholar called the fastest, thinnest, weakest impeachment in u.s. history. that's the direction we are going. the real question is how big will the jailbreak be by the democrats? >> in a national security, republicans say impeachment should never be so partisan. >> the only thing bipartisan about this process is the opposition of impeachment, going to have at least two democrats voting against this. >> when it gets to a senate trial presumably in early january, chuck schumer is asking for testimony from four key witnesses. the bottom line, he spoke about his request earlier today. >> let's hope that leader mcconnell rises to the occasion and even if he doesn't become a good number of republicans, you only need for republicans to add to the 47 democrats to say brushing this they might have each side make its argument and go away when
these facts are yearning. >> schumer trying to turn up the pressure on the republican senate leadership, expected to speak with reporters about an hour from now here on capitol hill. >> we will cover it as it happens, thank you very much. former arkansas governor mike huckabee. interesting spot here seeing about. >> to quote greta sundberg i would say to chuck schumer, how dare you? and here is why. he said nothing during the entire time that the house was rejecting any idea that the republicans would get a chance to hear from key witnesses whether it was the whistle-blower, peter strzok, lisa page, james comey going through the whole list, i now chuck schumer, seriously, is demanding that he gets to call witnesses for this sham? i am embarrassed for him. i can't believe you have the audacity to think people would
take them seriously knowing it is his party that refused to let any witnesses that are truly material witnesses to this process be heard over and the house judiciary committee. >> harris: we know from watching the president's approval rating has ticked up three points as he's begun to get some things done in the face of possible impeachment, something we saw bill clinton do. so what advice would you suggest for the president at this point? should he get involved in this process if and when it moves to the senate? >> he keeps doing what he's doing monitoring this record stock market that we just saw today had a whole new high. the usmca deal is going to produce hundreds of thousands of jobs if not millions, great boost to the economy, talk about the wage increases everyone has gotten in the fact women and minorities, have all had the highest job levels in history. there are some wonderful stories to tell. donald trump has gotten rid of
seven regulations for everyone that's been passed, as a big part of what makes the economy sore right now. let surrogates, other people talk about the impeachment process because most americans already made up their minds and if there's a dozen or so that haven't chosen voters lines appear relatively unchanged at impeachment despite the public impeachment hearing so you see the president needs to let talk. who are the democrats going to let talk? that argument doesn't seem to be moving the needle. >> i'm hoping they will let the people talk that have been talking. they have been real effective for the republicans whether chairman nadler, nancy pelosi, adam schiff, maxine waters, these are great spokespeople for their party but they're doing an
extraordinary service to republicans because when you hear them, they really can't come up with the grounds for impeachment and this has been such a moving target, they've embarrassed themselves in a corner can't back out, have to go through with this nonsense and i am convinced before it's all over, they're going to be a lot of what i call fair-minded democrats across the country who say the guy got elected, he didn't present anything impeachable. just let him do his job. >> what we are finding out it may exist in the senate, what we have to figure out is senator joe manchin of west virginia, how are these more moderate democrats going to vote on impeachment? it could be part for democrats and they don't expect to win there anyway because he said he's got the majority there should the trial go. i do want to ask you about this, a group of freshmen democrats are looking to ask an independent congressman who used to be republican has the impeachment manager in an effort to reach seven conservatives who remain unconvinced about the
proceedings. the republican party just earlier this year apparently is open to that idea. what you make of this? >> i am not all surprised that he would want it. he loves the spotlight, that's one of the reasons he left the republicans, wasn't getting enough attention. he is a never trumper, doesn't like the president and this is one way he could stick it to the president but what he's going to do is stick it to himself. this is a gun pointed at his own head, not at the president's and i think he will do it, the democrats are smart to ask him because they can pretend this is showing it's not just a partisan issue but the fact is the real concern for the democrats, not one republican will vote with them, there has never been an impeachment that was this partisan that was this overwhelmingly railroaded so they own that. they're going to continue to own that right through the election of 2020. >> harris: seems like our country is right there mirroring what we see on capitol hill. i'll give you last word.
>> it is polarized, no doubt about that and it will be throughout most of the election. but i think what the democrats have chosen a candidate whether it is a gafford and joe biden and this president who was gotten things done that neither of these guys ever were able to get done all their years in the senate, it starts evening out and people asked themselves. but i like where this country is going, i like what it's meant to me and my family and that's going to be the decision but a lot of people will make when it comes time to vote. >> you didn't mention the billionaire michael bloomberg but there were a lot of democrats in there. great to see you today, thank you very much. appreciate your time. the democrats expected to join the republican party as the battle lines intensify over impeachment, the fallout from that congressman from the second
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>> harris: on the heels of the inspector general's report, former fbi director james comey admits there was a real sloppiness in the fbi's efforts to obtain warrants, and he said he was overconfident in the agency's procedures. also says page was treated unfairly but insist the fbi was vindicated of the most serious allegations, watch. >> he's right, i was wrong.
i was overconfident in the procedures that the fbi and justice had built over 20 years. i thought they were robust enough. i was over confident in those, real sloppiness, 17 things that should've been in the applications were discussed and characterized differently. was not acceptable. >> harris: his words are doing little to silence his critics. kristin fisher, more on the story developing today. >> despite that admission of wrongdoing in regards to the fisa application overall, really defended himself and the fbi against broader accusations of political bias and as you might imagine, that did not sit well with white house officials. >> he must've read a different report than we all read. he presided over the fbi worse than when j. edgar hoover was at the fbi. is unbelievable.
>> president trump is now asking call me for an apology. as of now, zero signs of that happening but he did signal some regret about the way carter page was treated. >> carter page was treated unfairly. most by his name being made public. he is a united states citizen. >> what republicans say is also outrageous is the report found 17 significant inaccuracies and omissions in the application that the fbi's admitted to the fisa court just surveilled carter page and yesterday even a number to a in the senate said the u.s. government likely owes carter page an apology. >> that should be a bipartisan effort to clean up the court and what happened in the situation was inexcusable but remember what the inspector general said is the bottom line, opening this
investigation was warranted and not political. >> it'll be interesting to see if another ongoing internal investigation into the origins of the probe reaches the same conclusion and remember, this new probe has been elevated to a criminal inquiry. >> harris: we will see how that turns out, thank you very much. meanwhile, the president is hinting at jail time as he hits back at james comey, he tweeted "so now comey is admitting he was wrong but only doing so because he got caught red-handed. he was actually caught a long time ago so what are the consequences for his unlawful conduct? where are they apologies to me and others, jim? joining me now, former assistant u.s. attorney in fox news contributor andy mccarthy. so my first question for you has to do with something that the former oversight chair in the house trey gowdy said. he said it is just too late for jim comey to be talking about i am sorry at this point, it is
that many of the people are actually gone? >> i think it's because there's a very serious thing they got wrong was that you can't on the wrong. when you use this extraordinary counterintelligence authority that we have under fisa to investigate american citizens in any case, let alone a case of this kind of significance, the only due process in america never gets is the meeting between the fbi, the justice department, and the fisa court and if they don't play by the rules, not really any recompense that can be had for that. >> harris: who was writing the rules? when you hear him say he was overconfident in the procedures, wouldn't he have been part of the apparatus that was shaping some of those procedures through the years that he was with the agency? >> not only through the years
but even in this particular investigation. i applaud director comey for coming to fox and answering chris wallace is tough but fair questions, but i think what people are going to have trouble with is the idea that he is distancing himself from the investigation as if as chris pointed out he were just a bystander when in fact he was pretty intimately involved in this investigation notwithstanding his claim that he couldn't supervise it from seven rounds above or whatever it is he said about that. >> harris: so what does cleanup on aisle seven look like at this point? this is a new fox news poll, 53% of people say it is at least somewhat likely that intel agencies broke the law to investigate the trump campaign. compared to 32% who say it's not likely at all. that is a huge gap and trust between the american people and the people in the government who
were supposed to service with the truth and intel and so on and so forth. >> what i've been most concerned about about all of this in the beginning is that these powers are necessary if we are going to protect the country from actual threats that these powers are designed to help us with particularly terrorist threats and the problem has always been that if we can't demonstrate that people can be held accountable when the powers are abused, there's going to be a public outcry for the powers to be paired back or even eliminated. i've never been a fan of the fisa court. hope we are seeing here is the flaws in it. my own belief or what it's worth is we be much better off with a system where we have beefed up and significant congressional oversight rather than court oversight because what you see here is despite all of these abuses that we have, agents and
other people who were involved in the surveillance for years ran around waving these warrants around and that meant there were no problems here, a judge had signed off on all of this so it must be just fine and what i worry about is that they mean we can't hold people accountable. these are political powers, wielded by the political branches that it ought to be political oversight, not judicial oversight. >> harris: the first thing i wrote down is what we would you replace fisa with we can't change it in the short term, real quickly, what do we need to do at this point? it's a secret court. >> it's a secret court that was created in 1978. we didn't have it before then and we had a flat lot of national security problems. so i think we need to rethink what we're doing here in terms of how these powers get monitored and i think congress is apt to do a much better job. >> harris: how do you make it
right for people who were wronged in this process? >> i don't think you can. carter page can file a lawsuit, number of people have suggested he do that and that's what the courts are for, you're supposed to be able to go to court and hold the government accountable but you can't undo what's been done here. >> harris: always great to get your legal perspective, good to see you, thank you. how's democrat jeff van drew ready to leave his party amid the push for impeachment among democrats. will others follow him? the power panel slides and next. of this unexpected drop in interest rates. one call can save you $2000 every year.
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critic on impeachment but new jersey governor phil murphy is calling the move desperate. here is what murphy said, partly. "congressman van drew is now willing to enable donald trump just to try to salvage his own election. i want to bring in the power panel. former utah congressman jason chaffetz and marie harf, executive director of the serve america packed, both fox news contributor's. marie, i'm going to start on your side of the aisle with all of this because that's where the drama is, we knew he was on the fence, he is not just on the fence, he is jumping over the fence to join the republicans. are there going to be more like andrew? >> i don't think so. we haven't had any indications or anyone else is willing to change their party not for ideological reasons, not for policy reasons, but for political reasons. let's be very clear here. he has looked at phone numbers and believes that impeachment is not popular in his district and instead of just voting no and
explaining to his constituents why he did that, he decided to take a brazen political move and change parties. it's a contrast with so many of the other democrats. people who are making a decision on impeachment based on the substance, not taking politics into account and quite frankly, that's the model most democrats are setting here, impeachment should not be a political decision, it should be a substantive one and jeff van drew not showing a lot of courage this week politically. >> harris: you mentioned the listener who represents the michigan swing district and i'll come straight to you. she announced this in an op-ed that she will vote yes now on impeachment. i've been told more times than i can count that the vote i'll be casting this week will mark the end of my short political career. that may be, but there are some decisions in life that have to be made based on what you know in your bones is right and this is one of those times.
jason? >> i think marie was making a lot of assumptions about mr. van drew who is jumping parties. to say he is doing it for purely political reasons. the ability to get things done and what's wrong with listening to your constituents? you are there that are just represent your own personal viewpoint but to represent some 800,000 people, so this is a difficult call for a lot of people, there are a lot of reasons to do this but on the merits, that's where there is not a single republican that is willing to move over and vote with nancy pelosi, not even a discussion of it so the idea that the democrats are coming over is reasonable. >> harris: you do have justin who decided he didn't want to be g.o.p. anymore and now some democrats want to come after him to be the impeachment manager if
you will and utilize his connections to conservatives to bring them over on the issue of impeachment, so you do have a little bit of this back and forth, but the thing that is so glaring in all of this is that he flipped the district for democrats read it is political gymnastics that he and others will have to do to get out of this one. >> the right thing to do in a situation like this is so serious about impeachment, it should not be a decision made on politics. you decide to vote yes or no and then make the case to your constituents. he endorsed cory booker for president and the lessees have the world's quickest political epiphany, i don't think on most issues he agrees with republicans. he appears to believe that on impeachment, he would be better in his district not just voting no, but switching parties in the overall story, you alluded to it a little bit but the overall
story particularly at the state and local level has actually been republicans leading the party and we've seen that across the board and others retiring. with statistics don't lie. >> harris: we've got to run and you will be first up when i come back to you. listen up because here's what's happening, joe biden leading the pack not breaking news, however a new op-ed suggests his rivals are not actually looking to win. why are they in a? why are they not targeting his biggest vulnerability? i think it's called hunter biden. power panel next.
directed some of his comments to one particular female employee in 1990. after announcing her pregnancy, reportedly told that woman to "kill it. the former new york city mayor has denied that specific allegation and others. however, court records reportedly show 17 women have taken legal action against the company over the past three decades, three of them specifically named bloomberg. his campaign has released a statement acknowledging these allegations writing this, mike has come to see that some of what he said is disrespectful and wrong. his words have not always align with his values and the way he has led his life. no doubt more on the story is what's breaking now. a new op-ed piece argues joe biden's 2020 democratic rivals don't really want to win pointing to their lack of willingness to go after him
about his son's controversial business dealings as proof. the article reads this in part. his biggest weakness is the still unraveling a series of facts about the extent of hunter biden's sweetheart job and deals while the older biden was the senator and then vice president. but for some strange reason, they are incredibly mom about this story. is he right? i want to ask the power panel. they are back. jason? >> democrats are very resistant to being able to challenge joe biden. in part because president obama said if you pick on biden, you're picking on me but the other thing is to admit the truth, to admit that hunter biden and the money that he was taking and his relationships in ukraine and whatnot also plays into the hands of the republicans and donald trump saying it is legitimate to go after and asked questions about hunter biden and joe biden in
his role in ukraine. given impeachment, they are resistant to go anywhere close to that because they have to admit donald trump is actually right. >> harris: the former vice president has taken some criticism for not getting on this when the story was first unfolding months and months ago. now it seems to have more oxygen, what is the next step that you would advise because you worked with the presidential candidate who is now out of the race, would you tell him to do? >> you and i have talked about this woman is a very clear and concise and aggressive message on this issue because i don't think it's gotten more oxygen politically. the threats have been pulled on them and it's become clear there's nothing there that indicates any wrongdoing so i think he needs a way to answer it and move on but in the democratic primary, his biggest weaknesses are people think he has lost a step that he should have run four years ago and that he is too moderate.
i can guarantee you they are trying to win this race, we have seen people like kamala harris and others go after him directly and you're going to see warren particularly go after him more as we go forward towards iowa. they are trying to win, they see his weaknesses as something different not involving these. >> harris: let's pop it up, biden still leading the pack, however senator warren falling to third place dropping nearly 10% this late october right after she rolled out how much medicare for all might cause. the other candidates appearing to hold steady. what do you make of it? >> they are still fighting out there, i don't see anybody that even comes close to having the ability to take on donald trump, i don't see the organic energy and rallying behind any particular one. they are so far off to the left, so radical in their positions i
just don't see how any of them will match up with donald trump in a general election. >> harris: we are still working to confirm what i just reported that "abc news" has on michael bloomberg so certainly looking at the impact, deval patrick i think we all know friend of former president barack obama, what does all of this saying about the candidate pools that you already have and they were all tightening and elizabeth warren is sliding, maybe more people do need to get in? >> good question, the one thing i can say with confidence as we do not know how iowa and new hampshire are going to play out. >> harris: we are going to find out. >> making productions about this person will win forget second or third, there is still a lot of fluctuation in these polls. >> harris: if joe biden i think was in the fourth the last time and that was a week ago or so. you don't do well and i don't
know what that looks like when there are so many people on the roster still bernie sanders and elizabeth warren don't take new hampshire come in what universe does that not happen? >> i think we are moving towards a contested convention where you have people with different strengths in different areas and it is very possible for the first time in a long time we are going to see a brokered convention where that second ballot will actually mean something and then all of a sudden you've got these delegates like us to come into play and that changes the whole dynamic. i don't see anybody surging ahead the way we saw barack obama pull it off. >> harris: speaking of barack obama in terms of how he did during the debates, it was still very late when he and hillary clinton were going at it. there growing controversy now surrounding this coming
thursdays democratic debate. a labor dispute at loyola marymount university is threatening to derail that event with candidates saying they will boycott it if they have the proper picket line. expressing frustration over tightening qualification standards that have led to a lack of diversity on stage. watch this. >> let's be very clear, the next time that the dnc for democrats complain about voter suppression by republicans which i certainly have complained about and i want to fight against, we need to look at our own house. >> harris: marie? be mike my belief is that the way the dnc set these rules up is not tapping into the qualities that make a candidate most likely to be donald trump. the fact that steve bullock, governor from a red state couldn't meet the debate qualifications to get on that stage is bad for the party. the fact someone like tom steyer can buy his way onto the stage
effectively because of his own self funding is not giving us the best failed to take on donald trump and i remain very concerned about that. tom perez should look at the debate qualifications and make sure we have the best field on stage we are so far down the road right now, i am concerned about this. >> harris: i want to get jason here last word, to be the need these debates? >> i yield all my time to marie, i agree with her. when you don't get to hear -- how could cory booker not be on the debate stage? i think they're good and healthy. republicans did far more debates than the democrats did, it got exhausting but then you look back at the process and you think at least everybody had a shot and it's exhausting, that's a better scenario than the limited number of debates with limited candidates. >> harris: it is great to have you both on the program twice. thank you, good to see you.
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and keep the public safe. >> i'm dana perino. to be expected to hear from president trump in the next hour has democrats list their demands for an impeachment trial, plus on the harm marked channel caving to pressure over commercials not once but twice and targeting home security cameras, and how to keep your family safe, that's coming up on the daily briefing. >> harris: you heard dana talking about this so we will take the live look and now where minority leader chuck schumer is expected to step up to the lectern and talk about a senate impeachment trial should the house pass impeachment against the president and then it goes to the senate. that news conference set to get underway shortly. we will cover it as it happens. meanwhile, adam schiff is insisting that if impeachment
ends with an acquittal in the senate, it won't be a failure for democrats, but that's not exactly what he said back in march. >> the only thing worse than putting the country through the trauma of an impeachment is putting them through the trauma of a failed impeachment. >> harris: asked about that change of heart, he said the specific ukraine allegations raise the stakes. >> it was the discovery of the most egregious conduct to date that was one thing when the president invited foreign interference as a candidate when he couldn't use the power of his office to make it so, it was another one as president of united states, he withheld hundreds of millions of dollars to coerce an ally and try to cheat in the next election, it was not something we could turn away from. >> harris: tom bevan joining me now, one of the stunners i think of today is how the public's reaction to impeachment and a new fox news poll has not moved. is divided a country as ever.
is that helping the democrats? >> i don't think so. the numbers haven't moved we have two new polls out this morning that once we put them into the average shows that opposition to impeachment and now has a clip support for the first time so folks nationally oppose impeachment, 46.7 support it so that is an actual crossing of the lines for the first time where the majority opposes impeachment. >> harris: burning what you're watching, that's interesting. in fact those numbers are actually even worse in those swing states but to the point that adam schiff made earlier, he had been saying this all along we cannot have a partisan impeachment. there were plenty of democrats who started this process by saying we cannot do this on a party line vote but that's what they got to start the impeachment inquiry and that's what they've gotten out of the judiciary committee on these two articles and that is probably what they're going to get when
they take the vote on these articles later this week. >> harris: i'm going to ask your help for some math. you have these 31 democrats in the house that are winners, some of them flipping those districts that president trump won, so that happened in 2018, they sit there and congressman in new jersey who is now ready to flip parties and vote against impeachment and become a republican has got a lot going on there. how many democrats can they lose if they do a vote on the house floor? >> that might change if he actually is able to switch parties before the vote is taken but we have heard collin peterson for minnesota going to vote against this and if you democrats. i don't think nancy pelosi would put this vote if she was in danger of losing the vote. we may see a handful more defections in the five to eight range but anything more than
that is getting to a point where it's not going to look very good for the democrats if they lose too many of their members on these articles of impeachment. >> harris: if they can pass it along those numbers you just outlined, possible senate democrats who can vote against impeachment, joe manchin of west virginia, doug jones of alabama, kyrsten sinema of arizona. interestingly enough, interviewed her last fall, was a congresswoman and now a senator, previously voted 60% of the time with president trump. >> she's actually turned out to be more of a maverick than john mccain for that matter and that senate seat and that's not something democrats really foresaw when she got into this race. but those names you mention very well could vote against impeachment, you may have a republican or two that might defect like mitt romney for example but folks are watching the susan collins in cory gardner very closely but not going to get anywhere near the
number they would need to actually remove the president. >> harris: tom bevan, real clear politics, thank you. with the holiday season here, a study has found more and more young people are turning their backs on religion. theologian jonathan morris is with me next. his neighbor even got started. because doing right by our members, that's what's right. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa creais back at red lobster.ast with new creations to choose from; like rich, butter-poached maine lobster and crispy crab-stuffed shrimp rangoon. how will you pick just 4 of 10? it won't be easy.
>> harris: we are awaiting that news conference from chuck schumer, the new york democrat expected to speak just after sending a letter to his publican counterpart laying out his detailed proposal for possible senate impeachment trial. that news starting in just a few minutes, you will see it live here on fox news. let's get to this christmas just around the corner, a new survey finds americans are becoming less religious. in fact, those who identify as christian, the number is down by 12% over the last decade while those who say they are
religiously unaffiliated is up by nine points. an millennials a huge part of this trend. 4 out of 10 people in millennial age they they are not religious. 538 the web site points out that they could be permanent. they are leaving a not coming back. theologian and fox news contributor jonathan morris, great to see you. why are millennials leaving faith and not coming back? >> let's analyze it a little bit, i think there is a great silver lining as well, a great moment of hope for us as a country and let me explain why. the millennials don't join anything. it's just part of the nature and that's a spoiled generation, but as a generation, one of the characteristics that sociologists see if they don't join. so we see this just in ten years
a huge drop of people in the united states to say i am not affiliated with any religion. that's a great point, is that a good reason to say that you are lutheran or that you are christian. can, but when you get to the pearly gates, when you stand in front of, why do you believe? if you say i believe because my parents believe, that's not going to cut it. so i think there is a certain freedom to say i'm going to find out answers on my own, that can be good or it can be bad. >> harris: i want to pop this up on the screen, they did a study that came up with a few reasons why millennial say they are not returning to religion. they never had strong ties to begin with, increasingly likely to have a nonreligious spouse and changing views about the relationship between mortality
and religion convinces many it is relevant. or unnecessary for their kids. >> this relationship between morality and religion, secular culture has provided the millennial generation with a new ethic, and that would be instead of interpersonal relationships making sure we treat each other according to the golden rule, there is a new ethic and that is basically a green might be tolerated, be politically correct, make sure you recycle and you are good. that is the definition of a good person in secular society because you are judgmental. you say you shouldn't cheat on your spouse, that is judgmental, right? shouldn't be like this. >> harris: knows commandments didn't come from us humans. is not us judging each other. that's true. is always good to see you.
i haven't seen you in a while and i love having these discussions with you, you said there's a silver lining, what is it? >> in the end, our hearts are empty until we fill them with something big enough and i think only god can do that and i think human beings will always search and ultimately will find it if they are open. >> harris: jonathan morris, thank you. here is dana. >> fox news alert, keeping watch on two big events in our nation's capital. first, president trump is holding an event on innovation, we will see if he talks about impeachment and on capitol hill, top democrats at the hold a news conference as democrats to list demands for trial. i'm dana perino and this is the daily briefing. senate minority leader chuck schumer scheduled to begin any minute now so he's speaking as the full house gears up for a vote on the two articles of impeachment but already looking