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>> sean: trace gallagher, thank you very much. that's scary, got to pay attention. programming, we will have an exquisite interview with president trump this thursday. let not your heart be troubled, we are not the media mob, laura ingraham has been killing it. great, great -- honestly -- i literally turn on the tv, take my tie off, which i had come and go watch you, every night. >> laura: hannity, all i know is people don't realize that, well -- maybe some of them do, but you're very buttoned down from the waist up and then it's just jeans and occasionally you'll wear a belt and those fancy sneakers who bought, but other than that. >> sean: about my sneakers, there's nothing fancy about my sneakers. >> laura: actually are looking very casual. it's almost a celebrity casual you're actually donning right now. but actually could work with you, hannity, not bad. >> sean: i will admit i am a horrible dresser. i wear fbi hats, nypd, all t-shirts all the time.
this i hate. >> laura: hannity, i watched the show, it was fantastic, watch my know, we have a big interview coming up. take care. >> sean: tell him thank you for all he's doing, he's been amazing. >> laura: absolutely, will do. have a great night. i'm laura ingraham and this is the ingraham angle. if president trump is saying that he wants to reopen the united states for business by easter. talk about arising. the senate still can't come to a deal. can you believe this? the country is waiting, still no deal on stimulus package and what a surprise, the media jumping all over the president for trying to showcase drugs that actually may be helping mitigate the covid-19 crisis and in moments, as i just mentioned with sean, dr. anthony fauci will be here of course from the coronavirus task force. he's going to join me, some interesting questions for him about some of the models that may be outdated, projecting where we are going with this virus. at mike huckabee, byron york are also here.
plus, world-renowned, board-certified physician and global entrepreneur is going to share his thoughts on how the medical establishment is sometimes resistant to breakthrough medicines and in this case, hydroxychloroquine and other antivirals. and the left, how they're using the pandemic to take away your second amendment rights? what? but first, doing versus blaming. that's the focus of tonight's angle. day nine, can you believe it, of the national shutdown, and we're learning more every day about this insidious virus. new york city continues to be the epicenter of the infections in the united states and the greater metro area now accounts stay percent of all new infections nationally buried at least 192 people that have tragically succumbed to the disease with more than 15,000 now infected. the more we test, the larger the
denominator on the equation. so the more the mortality rate seems to be declining, more on that later. at the same time, the economic repercussions are just terrific. a new survey found that almost one-third of americans say now that they or someone in their close family is unemployed because of the coronavirus. and all the democrats of course and their media cronies can do throughout all of this is, well, stoke more fear, as if we don't have enough, and attack the president. >> the president flatly said that in this particular case the cure is worse than the problem. which obviously raised all sorts of questions about his thinking. >> the pain and the suffering of so much worse than what the president seems able to acknowledge. >> for the president to make light of that is if it's like, so what, some people will die but the economy will grow, no.
>> laura: no matter what he does. no matter what trumped us, really no matter what he says, he is bombarded by these baseless attacks. today new york governor andrew cuomo, he blamed the president for the shortage of ventilators in his state. >> the only way we can obtain is ventilators is from the federal government, period. and there's two ways the federal government can do it. one is to use the federal defense reduction act and not to exercise that power is inexplicable to me. >> laura: only trump didn't need to invoke the federal defense production act, which compels companies to build products for the good of the country because u.s. manufacturers are already stepping up to help. that is great news, by the way. today ford and 3m announced that they're producing 1,000 respirators a month. chrysler said it will help reduce a million face masks
every week and then donate them to hospitals. gm is also going to be lending a hand by producing ventilators. they engage when needed without the federal government ordering them to do so. the president answered cool almost charges directly claiming that the governor was warned about -- >> a chance to order 16,000 ventilators two years ago and he turned it down. he turned down the chance. he can't be blaming us, but we are there to help them. >> laura: now, cuomo might argue that it was too expensive at the time because it was about $576 million, but then again, maybe he shouldn't have spent $750 million on that solar panel factor in buffalo which i think was marred in a federal corruption probe, wasn't all that effective. new yorkers are now living with the consequence of some politicians' budgetary decisions and have to weigh the risks and the benefits.
but if there going to criticize the cdc on testing, which a lot of people have done, including yours truly, they got her to christmas ability for their own miscalculations as well. >> i know we started our conversation this hour on the subject of ventilators and the challenges that the state of new york faces. but i want to let the people in new york know that earlier today 2,000 -- 2,000 ventilators were shipped directly to new york. >> laura: in a crisis, leaders don't point fingers, they work towards solutions. and americans right now -- they don't need any more anxiety or pain, they need facts, they need transparency, and they need hope. today, the president try to offer all of that. >> i would love to aim it right at easter sunday so we are open for church service and services generally on easter sunday. that would be a beautiful thing. our country is not supposed to
be -- you know, it's not built to shut down. and i said i don't want the cure to be worse than the problem itself. >> laura: a leader in the end i think has to look forward beyond the crisis at hand to the reality after the crisis. so trump is trying to balance prudent measures to hold this virus at bay, save lives with also the need to start our economy at some point in the near future again. we can't stay in lockdown forever? well, and lesser joe biden. >> i would like to open the government tomorrow, let's be realistic. listen to the scientists, listen to fauci, listen to others. if you want to ruin the economy for a long, long, long time, let's go ahead and see this thing continue by having it burst out again. >> laura: well, maybe biden needs to listen to the doctors and, i don't know, just take a nap at this point.
and by the way trump has been heating the advice of scientists and medical professionals every step of the way. but he has many factors to consider. they understand that. he has a lot of data to examine at every crucial decision point and by the way, new data is coming in every day. in the meantime, the press corps looks for every opportunity to cast the president in a negative light. his heartless or he's careless. if dr. fauci misses one press conference they all have to like reach for the xanax, they just freak out. but i think the american people and watching this, they seem to have a more sophisticated and a more mature view of things. every day, what do they see? they see the president out there answering questions. he's convening his task force, he's planning for today, but tomorrow, and yes, a post-virus american recovery. we all want that. 60% of americans are now approving of the president's handling of the coronavirus outbreak in a new gallup pole
and trumps overall approval rating is no longer upside down. 49% approving versus 45% disapproving. that's according to gallup. so we are keeping our distance from one another, right? it gets weird, but we're doing it, we are avoiding nonessential travel, we are washing our hands a lot, wiping everything down, some of us always did that. that's all good and it's no doubt slowing the spread of this hideous, hideous plague we are dealing with. but maybe it's also time we washed her hands of this cynical washington game where a small cadre of elites demonize anyone who dares question them. and that's the "angle." joining me now is dr. anthony fauci, director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases and white house coronavirus task force member. all right, dr. fauci, hannity told me -- i know you for this a lot, but thank you what you're
doing. the time, energy, the effort the reporting and that -- i know because i get to talk to a lot of you guys off-camera and it's a nonstop life that you have and for the foreseeable future, so thank you, sir, for that. >> you're very welcome, it's a team effort. >> laura: dr. fauci, the media seems to enjoy in this very difficult time looking for the tension between you and the president. and you gave an interview with maureen dowd where you're sort of talked about look, you have a role, the president has his role, but where do things stand right now between you and the president on the timeline and where we are? >> you know, it's a back-and-forth. the president clearly listens. he has this aspirational goal of hoping that we might be able to
do it by a certain date. we talk to him about that, we say we need to be flexible. he realizes that if he accepts that. i mean come he doesn't want to give up this aspirational goal, but is flexible enough to say okay, let's look at it on a day-by-day basis. we say and we will give him data to inform the decision and what we learned about, what's out there, particularly in areas of the country but don't have the big spikes like new york and we talk about it, we talk about what that would do to inform our decision. but he's been very flexible about it, even though it looks like he's made this absolute decision on something, he does have an open mind about it. >> laura: dr. fauci, the new data that's coming in, i'm sure you've seen the wuhan study, the study coming out of lombardi about the icu admissions. and today andrew cuomo basically said, look, we need 30,000
ventilators. is that number, in your estimation, correct given the new data and diffuse trackable u extrapolate out? >> what i think the governor was saying, i'm pretty sure, if that's the total amount that he would need. and we will take him for his word about that. i mean, he's -- quite frankly, is really gotten hit with a really bad situation and quite frankly i think is doing a very good job. when he says 30,000 and he needs it, we will take him for his work. we obviously want to estimate to see what he already has and what the delta is of what he'll need as opposed to the totality of the entire period of time over the next couple of months. >> laura: but the modeling that was done -- correct me if i'm wrong, by the imperial college in the american hospital association and it was devastatingly frightening and that was about the peak that we
have for icu beds, the peak for the virus in the icu beds that will need. but again, looking at the wuhan data, that's the latest data that we have, aren't those new data points that have to be used to inform our decision-making on this critical issue of overwhelming hospitals and how we have to stop that? it's a long-winded question, but are we updating our modeling, dr. fauci, because this is the critical question of overwhelming our system. >> we always do that. we always update the model, but the one thing we have to be really careful about, and i think everybody was been involved in this who has experience knows that models are only as good as the assumptions that you put into the model and sometimes there's a real great degree of variability with those assumptions, so although we reevaluate the models continually, we've got to be careful that they don't always predict exactly what we need. it's just a fact.
>> laura: but that's a pretty important data point, is it not, because we are seeing, thankfully, the mortality rate decline as we test more people and that's still terrible, but not perhaps as bad as that three and 4% number that was initially forecast. so that number of icu beds that are needed, that's really one of -- or if not, one of the most critical questions that are outstanding and if it's -- if the numbers are not right, then maybe that affects the decision-making about when the country can gradually get back to business. >> you're absolutely right, laura, and that's it's at the right. fema is working closely with the state of new york to try and figure out exactly what they'll need at what time. if the totality is 30,000, what do they need now, next week, the week after? but you're right, those kinds of models do help inform us. >> laura: and dr. fauci, the news -- i'm reading the studies
today, it's clear that men are more likely to have serious health implications because of this, more likely to get the virus it looks like, including with hypertension, diabetes, obesity. heart disease. all factoring in in the comorbidity rate once people are actually admitted into the hospital, then into the icu. any idea of how and why that's happening? >> you know, that's a great question. we do not know. i mean, we have to be humble and say we are really not sure. it's a little bit puzzling. there may be some mitigating factors with men that they have a greater incidence of some underlying conditions, perhaps high blood pressure i'm a disease, perhaps with smoking and lung disease, we don't know. we don't really know precisely, but there are some hints that they may have some underlying factors that are a bit more than in women.
>> laura: it looks like 57% of the individuals who were admitted into the icu or critical care in wuhan were people with these underlying conditions and a strong majority were men, so that's another thing we will figure out eventually, but dr. fauci, a lot of people are messaging me during the day about hydroxychloroquine and other antivirals that are now being prescribed by treating physicians in the united states and beyond, so heaven forbid something happened to you, you got a positive coronavirus test and you fell ill, would you feel comfortable taking one of these new antivirals such as hydroxychloroquine? >> you know what i would do, laura, there are a number of clinical trials. i'm a believer in a clinical trial. at the same time i want to help myself, i want to get an answer as to what really works or not, so i might take one of those drugs, but i would do it within the auspices of a controlled
clinical trial. i've always felt that way. >> laura: and so -- but you would take one of those drugs because we are getting some positive results and this is -- this is wartime, right? it's not all button down and control, we do what we can do with what we have. >> i'm not so sure, laura, just to clarify, that i would necessarily take one of those drugs. i would take a drug that was on a clinical trial. some of those drugs that your mentioning are available within the context of a clinical trial. those same drugs you could probably get from your physician if they be an off label use because they're already approved for other purposes like malaria and some autoimmune diseases, but myself, personally, i like to get some knowledge out of it, so if i had a situation where i needed a drug, i'd look around and see if there was a clinical trial that would give me access within the contours of a clinical trial.
>> laura: dr. fauci, americans want facts and transparency, but they also want hope, so what hope can you give them tonight? >> you know, the hope that i give is that right now to just hang on as best as you can, just please implement the recommendations of the guidelines to be able to protect yourself and those around you, avoid crowds, do the things that are on that list that we talk about essentially every night, but also know as time goes by as we test more drugs, as we get better and better in the vaccine -- you know, i told her some time ago that a vaccine is being developed, it still will be quite a while before we have it, but it is conceivable that this may go into another season and if it does, it will bring us that much closer to the possibility of having not only drugs available, but also a vaccine, so that the hope for the future. >> laura: array, dr. fauci,
great to see you, thanks so much for coming on sunday. >> good to be with you, laura. >> laura: coming up, andrew cuomo sure has been -- he's been on tv a lot and well, some people are saying the presidential tryout. from the new york governor's mansion to the white house? byron york, mike huckabee break it all down. this possible presidential ambitions next. according to her daughter, she spends too much time on the internet. according to the census, she just needs a few minutes more. the census is now online. and by answering a few simple questions, you'll help inform where public funding will get distributed for things like healthcare, community centers, public transit and more. then you can get back to whatever you were doing in no time at all. shape your future. start here. complete the census at 2020census.gov.
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the view today. just a couple of weeks ago, democrats were ecstatic to have him as the front runner, but now they -- or they wishing for an alternative? new york governor andrew cuomo's handling of the coronavirus outbreak in his state of new york of course has wild a lot of the democrats and over the weekend the hashtag was trending on social media. joining us now, byron york, chief political correspondent for the "washington examiner" and mike huckabee, former arkansas governor in 2016 a of course presidential candidate, both fox news contributor's. byron, it's ivy sleep too late for cuomo to jump into the race now, but is he setting his sights on 20204? is there any way you could possibly weasel his way into this presidential race now or no? >> some democrats have said that if all of this were happening last year, andrew cuomo would be the prohibitive front runner for the nomination. he could have run, he decided not to run. by the way, his father is perhaps the most famous democrat
in history who did not run, so he made the decision. i think what's happening now with governor cuomo's performance in new york is a lot of democrats are looking and they're seeing the leader of the democratic party. in a year in which the party is out of the white house, it's an election year, the leader of the party should be its presidential nominee and what we're seeing now now is joe biden struggling to try to stay in the conversation and not doing nearly as well as andrew cuomo. >> laura: governor huckabee, it really is something, the president is doing these hours-long briefings every day with the coronavirus task force. it's incredibly heavy lift trying to balance all these considerations. and yet joe shows up every day or so and i read your tweets, governor, so i'm reading where -- but joe shows up every day or so it is trying to do the presidential thing with the flags in the back. but it's kind of sad. i mean, it's just not
connecting. >> i think is doing a lot of harm not only to himself -- he is harm to the country by trying to pretend that he's really going to be the president. and the more that he talks, the less likely it is that people would ever want to entrust him with the presidency for just a reason like this. to the point of andrew cuomo. in all fairness to him, i think he is managing this very well as a governor. governors tend to be good presidential candidates most of the time because frankly they've managed a microcosm of the federal government. every single thing you have at the federal level you have at the state level, just with pharaofewerzeros unmanned of th. what i would say with governor cuomo, i don't think he's thinking about the presidency. i honestly don't and i've been in his shoes as a governor before and let me tell you, when you're dealing with a major crisis, you're trying stay out of it and management and deal with it and the thought that you're going to try to figure out how this is going to advantage of politically, to be
honest with you, you just don't have time for that. if there be time for that and i'm sure ill may be considerate because of the way he's managed it, but right now i'd cut him some slack, give him a break and say i think he's legitimately trying to lead his state through very difficult crisis and frankly, i give him a passing grade in the way he's doing it. >> laura: yeah, byron, the amazing thing about all of this is that the president, he of course has to taken everything that people are telling him, companies are going to go bankrupt, that's going to cause huge, huge repercussions for everybody's lives connected to that company and whether it's boeing or a small company and he also has to listen to the medical professionals, so he's trying all this stuff and just getting hammered for mentioning wouldn't it be nice if this was -- if we were on our way on easter and people could go to church again. you might as well have thought that -- i don't know what, like poison people himself or
something after the reaction to his comments about easter sunday, what you think about that? >> well, clearly the president is anguished by the fact that the government and the state government and the federal government has basically shut down the american economy and put it completely on pause. and he knows the damage that it's doing and he knows that the longer it goes on, the more difficult it is to fix, but he is up against the reality of the disease and i think if the president were to say on sunday everything is open, go out and eat in a restaurant, go out and get your plane, go back to business as usual, if people are still scared about the disease, then they won't do it, so the number one thing is to reduce the incidence of this virus and people's fear of it and i know president trump is working very hard to try and get the economy going again, but that doesn't really happen until after that fear goes down.
>> laura: and governor huckabee, again, you were a governor in your presidential candidate. so you know it's -- there's a lot you're balancing. there's never going to be a perfect graph, there's never going to be a perfect charge. as i was going to be risk associated with the reopening at any point, or gradual reopen. people are still going to get infected until this thing burns itself out. so what do you tell the president tonight about his attempt to balance all these considerations knowing that if we lose the economy, we ultimately could have more deaths, as he said, and even this horrific virus is inflicting on us. >> i think we saw in your first guess, that was a terrific interview with dr. fauci. as a president who is listening to the scientists in the medical professionals. let's be clear, medicine is a science. politics is an art. donald trump is trying to balance the science of medicine and the advice he's getting with
the art of politics, recognizing that ultimately decisions have to be made in the context of what's doable and what's possible. got a bunch of democrats in the congress who aren't interested in helping the american people replace their income and get back to work. they're just interested in political points. he's got that to deal with. he's got corporate leaders and wall street people who want to get the stock market up, but he's mostly got a whole lot of americans out there who are scared to death. i think this president is handling it in exactly the executive way that he was hired to do. thank god he's in that chair right now and not hillary clinton, as could have happen. >> laura: oh, my god. well, plans would still be coming in from china if hillary were president. gentlemen, thank you so much, great to see both of you tonight, and up ahead, thousands of inmates are being released due to the coronavirus. it's happening as the left attacks our second amendment rights. there forcing gun stores to close. a gun shop owner breaks down what it means for his livelihood
♪ >> why do you believe that a liquor store which you exempt and home of her mistress which are exempt are more important than a place where somebody can acquire tools to protect themselves? >> listen, we made the call on essential versus nonessential but the attorney general -- >> i will jump in very >> walking away on that as well as the colonel. uncomfortable where we landed.
>> laura: you know what they say when someone folds their arms -- i'm glad he's comfortable. democrat governor phil murphy issued an executive order yesterday forcing gun stores to close down. you're right to bear arms is under attack but a lot of people are worried about their own security during this health care crisis. joining me now is joe hawk. a new jersey gun dealer. joe, what does that mean -- first it's -- let's break it down just individually. what does it mean for your business? can't be good. >> thanks for having me, laura. so right now all the gun shops in new jersey are shut down because they shut down the next system, basically allows these people to take their guns that they've already bought them. so now nobody can take their guns, this probably thousands that pay for the guns in new jersey just won't allow the queue to go through. >> laura: and you were saying obviously like so many gun store owners across the country, a
huge uptick in your customer base, people wanting ammo, front models of guns, shotguns. semis and so forth. tell us about that, because that's been wild, even ordering guns online, regular places where people go and buy ammunition i read their all out. >> yes, so usually after a terrible tragedy, this business goes crazy nobody wants that type of business. however, during this coronavirus outbreak, if you will come of the business been so incredible that they pretty much bought everything in the shop. ammo, guns, you can even get guns online delivered from our own distributor's. people are calling, they want their guns from the queue. i've never seen it like this ever -- >> laura: what are they worried about? joe, what are people afraid of? are they afraid of social unrest? are they afraid of not being
able to you know, get food and someone coming for that -- what are people most concerned about? >> people, they think the worst. they think there could be a social breakdown in the first thing they want to protect their family. and the blood bugging out, literally. i've never seen it like this. >> laura: so is this the high point that you've ever seen in your entire gun store-owning life for guns purchased interest and demand to make >> laura, it's been like a raving mob. they just came in, they say given i gun, i want a gun, people have that have the approvals. it was all most like a locust swarm, they just come in and say i want this gun, they don't even ask the price. i've never seen it like this. this is like the end of the world for these people and they believe it, they actually think that this is something it's going to break down, social unrest, people are going to be writing, they have no direction,
they just feel very insecure in the first thing they want to do is protect their family. >> laura: in a probably -- i probably didn't make them feel better that the gun stores were going to be deemed nonessential is mrs. where other businesses, pot stores and liquor stores are essential businesses. joe, thanks for that update and we hope you get to open up soon and people aren't panic buying. you take care of yourself, we will check back with you. while new jersey is closing gun stores, as i said, they're allowing weed shops to stay open and offer even curbside pickup, take out. other states like california and oregon are treating pot dispensaries is essential businesses, meaning they can operate during the coronavirus lockdown. joining me now is author of "tell your children the truth about marijuana." alex, i've been so wanting to talk to about this because of all the things we should be encouraging people to do right
now, i guess people are freaking out and they want to relax with their part, not maybe thinking about some of the repercussions for their own health or other things that you've written abo about. >> sure. first of all, the 11 hand i sort of sympathize because cannabis is addictive for a lot of people and if people had to go cold turkey, some people do suffer from withdrawal. not necessarily physical withdrawal, but the suffer insomnia and other psychological issues if they try to withdraw and there's a time with a lot of anxiety out that this could actually worsen that. on some level we almost have to let people have their fix, but from a medical point of view, this is a horrible idea and there are several actually specific reasons for that. first of all, we know that vaping can cause lung injury. no, that was true last year, americans dying from vaping thc, which may or may not have been from the thc itself, it might've been from contaminants, but then beyond that, thc is actually in
immunosuppressant. if you know, this is not a surprise, this is been studied for a decade and it's a bronchodilator, meaning that it actually opens her airways. so when you think about covid-19, there's a lot of medical research being done right now that suggests that there are some people who adjust remains in their upper airway and those people don't get really sick. if it gets into your lower airway, into your lungs, that's when you get really sick, so drug that opens her airways suppresses your immune system is not necessarily the best thing right now. >> laura: alex, "the new york times" writing what this basically saying this is a recognition that is like as essential as bread and milk for families. for individuals. they needed to survive. over the past week more than a dozen states have agreed that while nonessential stores had to close, pot shops, medical marijuana dispensaries could remain open. official recognition. it's like bread and milk.
>> for some people it's as essential as alcohol. some people are addicted to it. we're sort of acknowledging that when we let liquor stores stay open. we don't want people going through withdrawal. but i will say -- i don't know how much time we have left, but i think it's very, very interesting that both regionally and nationally there's a really strong correlation between the places that have the most cannabis use in places where this epidemic has really taken off. whether that's new york city, the bay area, seattle. colorado. and then italy and spain other two countries in europe along with france that the most use. i think it would be irresponsible to say there's any causation there, we don't know anything about this and i visited a lot of older people who don't use this get very sick, it's been very striking to me. >> laura: well, it's going to be interesting and i talked to dr. fauci about this earlier, we are only now getting in updated data whether it's about
projecting the number of icu beds that are needed and really extrapolate the really wuhan numbers, the lombardi numbers, the worst-case scenario onto new york and other terribly affected areas in the united states, or the types of people that are getting sick and what their underlying conditions are. >> yes. >> laura: i don't know why we have that up on the screen, let's take that down. so that's -- that's interesting that that data is coming in. and i think we're going to see -- we are going to learn a lot about obesity, heart disease, hypertension, diabetes, all of these things made people -- it looks like in wuhan and in lombardi, much more susceptible to having a serious, serious complication, even comorbidity with this horrific virus. >> yet. that's quite clear and it is quite clear that age is a huge risk that you see out of italy how much the risk rises with a
age. i do think it's striking that in new york there have been some younger people, it's not clear with the comorbidities are on those people. >> laura: we will learn a lot more as time goes on. and alex, i'm going to help style your background for the next time you skype with us, okay? we need a little something on the wall there, alex. [laughs] thanks so much for joining us, we really appreciate it. it's a little stark in the background there, alex. we will work on that. >> the studio is not open in new york unfortunately. >> laura: nothing, nothing is open. in moments where going to have the latest on the coronavirus. a package still blocked by democrats. plus i talked to world-renowned physician about the effects of hydroxychloroquine. you've been hearing about that on the show for eight days, so what is he saying their results? he prescribes it for other illnesses, find out next.
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♪ >> laura: the senate hopes to vote soon on that coronavirus aid package. an agreement with the democrats sent the dow skyrocketing. it had its best day since 1933. fox news congressional correspondent chad pergram standing by on capitol hill. chad, these have been some interesting late nights for you. for the country. unfortunately no agreement yet. >> no agreement yet, without them i have an agreement and may be a late night tonight but so far no dice. here's the problem. you have to get an agreement, then put this into legislative text and then vote. we would not rule that out happening in the overnight hours so far, but they're not there
yet. i will say that the temperature of the building was much lower today than it was monday. if you had a lot of sniping on the senate floor, democrats and republicans at each other's throats verbally, that was not the case today. if things have gotten so quiet here, sometimes that's a good signal, the fact that people aren't saying things, that means they're getting somewhere but about two hours ago lindsey graham, republican senator from south carolina, came to the floor and said the following, "mr. president, after watching, tell steven mnuchin to come back to the white house and in the negotiations. i've lost my patience with the political process. we need to vote tonight, the stores closed." so the question is, is there a hold of? there could be holed up with the house of representatives, remember, that's controlled by democrats, and you want to that universal buy-in, in other words, of the president on board, the white house, the senate democrats and republicans on board and simultaneous they have the democratic house on board. that's really threading the needle there, that's very complicated. steven mnuchin, the treasury secretary said as much this afternoon. he said they were getting close
but there were a lot of complicated issues to resolve. even if they vote late tonight or maybe tomorrow in the senate, they still have to move it through the house. i'm told that house speaker nancy pelosi would probably want to have a conference call with her caucus, steve scalise, the republican whip, he indicates there was whiterepublican support for thit how they would actually vote in house might not be till thursday or maybe friday, they don't want to have all 430 members come back into the house chamber, that's a health issue here, so what that talked about as may be doing a voice vote, and this is where everybody -- for it says i come opposed says no and the loudest side wins. we might see a $2 trillion package past on a voice vote in the house of representatives. laura. >> laura: chad, that is so -- there is so much to say about that. you and i could just do an hour-long show just on that. >> let's do it. alex when all the procedure. [laughs] >> laura: really, unpacking
every little goody that's in this legislation, including things that have nothing to do with covid-19. unbelievable, great reporting as always, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> laura: i've been telling you all about the potential benefits in treating covid-19 patients with new drugs entering hydroxychloroquine, which is actually an old drug, it's been around for a long time and we've been talking about this more than a week, including bringing on cases -- lives were in their view, in their words, saved after being prescribed that drug combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. the next guest is currently using the drug on patients for his traditional good -- more traditional uses, autoimmune diseases. he's also getting results. joining me now is world-renowned physician, global entrepreneur nicholas perricone. doctor, great to see you. you've been following the dash it's the establishment of medical community, which is
notoriously, i guess for good reason, risk-averse, but this is wartime in this fight against this virus. so are you surprised that there's a lot of hesitancy about green lighting this old antimalarial? >> i'm very surprised. i understand as a physician, i too am risk-averse. but let's look at the risk-benefit ratio here. this drug was released in 1945. if that's over years ago. it's currently about a million patients a year for other reasons, like autoimmune disease, lupus, and also arthritis. and there's nothing better as far as i'm concerned in terms of safety of a drug is to have it be used a long time in 70 years is a very long time. we know from the data coming in that it's looking very good. i understand we would all love to have some really great comparative studies, but we don't have time for that. in fact, time is of the essence
right now and we are giving them a short -- basically a short treatment, maybe 5-7 days. with 5-7 days on hydroxychloroquine there is a side effect that is extremely low. therefore i don't think that's a worry so if we look at this and look at the risk-benefit ratio, we have a drug that's been tried and true for 70 years, we're getting some good data back and we have people that are infected with a very bad disease here. it makes no sense to me whatsoever to hesitate distributing this drug. under the care of a physician. so the physician will check to make sure -- if you have any underlying problems. so we need to move forward on this, we need to move very quickly. time is of the essence. every day counts in terms of saving lives here and for anybody to be hesitant at this time i think is doing a huge disservice for the people of this country. i can't emphasize enough we need to get enough product here but we are getting some good news, it would look like israel may
provide 30 million doses of the hydroxychloroquine and i understand the pharmaceutical companies are -- >> laura: dr. perricone, i'm sorry interrupt, but we are out of time. thank you so much for your perspective. coming up, joe biden gets scolded, stay tuned. you need a tractor built to get every job done right. the kubota l series tractors.
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i learned that actually covering your white house. >> no. actually, that's true, but fortunately i'm alone in my home, but that's okay. >> laura: i'm just going to let shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team take it from here. >> shannon: here's the situation tonight. new york is the epicenter of the covid-19 crisis and the growing number of deaths has sadly been predicted. tonight there also claims stocking up on runways, stores and restaurant closings and millions of americans applying for unemployment. many of them for the first time in their lives. the president believes there may be a way to get both crises under control number perhaps as soon as easter, at least in part. the white house -- a package on capitol hill something that's got to get on. the largest effort in american history with a price tag that
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