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there will debate salt lake city october 7th and then election day november 3 election day november 3 chris: i'm chris wallace. democrats wrap up their convention with blistering attacks on president trump. now it's his turn to fight back. ♪ >> you and i, we can and will overcome this season of darkness in america. >> where joe biden sees american darkness, i see american greatness. chris: republicans prepare to renonominate president trump for four more years and draw the contrast with joe biden. >> the american people want a president who will support our military, reject socialism, oppose higher taxes. chris: the battle over mail-in ballots an fudding th -- fundine
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post office comes to a head. >> there have been no changes in any policies with regard to election mail. >> we're cutting service, not we, but the new postmaster general. chris: we'll ask white house chief of staff mark meadows about the gop convention, house democrats' action on the post office and if there's any break in the stalemate on coronavirus relief. then -- >> i accept your nomination for vice president of the united states of america. chris: a historic convention, as democrats make their case for joe biden. >> we need a president who brings people of all faiths together to tackle our challenges, rebuild our country and restore our humanity. chris: we'll talk with a member of biden's inner circle, senator chris kuhns and we'll ask our sunday panel what republicans need to do this week. plus, our power players of the week. >> read my lips.
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>> god bless america. chris: a look back at big moments from gop conventions past. all right now on fox news sunday. ♪ chris: and hello again from fox news in washington. congressional democrats have spent the days since their convention passing a bill to provide billions more for the pos at that timpostal service. there's been no progress on extending unemployment benefits for americans thrown out of work by the covid crisis. and tomorrow republicans kick off their convention with an in-person roll call of delegates in charlotte. in a moment we'll talk about all of this with white house chief of staff, mark meadows. first let's bring in kevin cork with a look at what republicans hope to accomplish this week. >> reporter: at the democrats' convention they welcomed a
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mixture of voices, everybody from the party's fringe to party royalty even a few republicans thrown into the mix. sources tell fox news not to expect anything like that this week from the rnce gone are mitt romney, george w bush and paul ryan, declining to take part in the festivities. instead you'll see new faces like alice johnson, she was previously incarcerated, then pardoned by the president at the behest of kim kardashian west. the mccloskys of saint lewis and nick sandmann all expected to take part, non politicos, outsiders, if you will, all there to back the sitting president of the united states. a lot of topics they will get to we suspect, chris, including mail-in balloting, something the president said will likely lead to mail fraud. we also know that the coronavirus spending bill, a possible bill will be another topic. as you probably saw on saturday, the house voted to give the post
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office $25 billion to assist in what could be a deluge of mail-in ballots. more than two dozens republicans joined ranks with the house speaker nancy pelosi and the democrats. there is one other topic you probably didn't hear a lot about and that is a meeting that didn't happen with the white house chief of staff, mark meadows, he tried to have a conversation with nancy pelosi about a possible coronavirus spending bill. a lot of people still hurting out there, chris. but the speaker was too busy to talk. chris. chris: kevin cork reporting from the white house, kevin, thank you. joining us now, white house chief of staff mark meadows, congressman, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> great to be with you. thanks so much. chris: let's start with the breaking news and that is that the washington post is reporting on tapes of the president's sister, marianne trump, saying things like this about his brother. let's put them up on the screen.
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he has no principles, none. the change of story, the lack of preparation, the lying. what is the president's reaction of to those comments and the fact that apparently the president's niece, mary trump, secretly taped marianne trump? >> well, i think the president has already spoke to that another day, another political attack. what i find interesting is, is any family member that would secretly tape 15 hours of a conversation with somebody obviously to promote an agenda. she's been very vocal in her support for joe biden. this is really a sad day. i've not met the president's sister. i was hopeful to meet her at the funeral for his brother the other day. but you couldn't come out of that tribute to his brother without really recognizing the love and compassion that the president had for his brother and his family. but we will also look at this.
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a number of the accusations that are being made i've been able to witness up close and personal and they're just not true. the president is not only well-prepared but reads so much that is causes me to have to read many times well into the night to catch up with him and -- go ahead, chris. sorry. chris: well, i was just going to say, congressman, but specifically she talks about his character, marianne trump, on these tapes. she says he has no principles. she says that ellies. what's the president's reaction to that? >> well, he's already spoken to that. i can tell you the principle that he has is he loves his country, he's proud of this country, he's proud of the american people that actually make up this country and he's willing to sacrifice everything, even the personal attacks that come each and every sunday against this president. i don't know who would want the job if you didn't have the principle of loving the country as much as he does. it's a great benefit. when we look at what he talks
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about, he talks about the promises that he's made, the people that it's affected and ultimately the prospects of a brighter future because of his actions and he's going to continue regardless of the attacks to make sure that he delivers on behalf of the american people. chris: all right. well, let's get to the politics and off the family soap opera. president trump is sharply critical of joe biden and his message at the democratic convention. take a look. >> if you entrust me with the presidency, i will draw on the best of us, not the worst. i'll be an ally of the light, not the darkness. >> the democrats held the darkest and angriest and gloomiest convention in american history. chris: now, it is true the democrats criticized the way the president has handled the coronavirus and the economy and race. but when biden talks about being an ally of the light, how is
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that dark or angry? >> well, listen, you couldn't have watched any of that without considering it dark. i think most of the pundits that are out there would have said that it was a dark, really focused on president trump. this president will focus on the american people this week coming up, and when we look at it, listen, that speech that joe biden gave was very much like a speech that he had given in 2008. but this is not about speeches. this -- joe biden has been in office for over 40 years. politicians give speeches. what we're looking for is action. this president has shown action each and every day. joe biden has barely passed two bills, one of which he's trying to run away from because of the left and when we look at it, this president accomplished more in his first 100 days than joe biden did in the last 40 years. it's about action. this president's willing to do that. you'll see a real difference this week. when we start focusing on the
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people that the president's policy has actually affected. chris: we're going to get to some issues. i have one more question on tone. here was a statement by the president this week, his message. >> i'm the only thing standing between the american dream and total anarchy, madness and chaos. chris: congressman, some people would say that's a pretty dark and angry message. >> well, i mean, we don't have to look any further than the streets across the country to see what's happening. supposedly peaceful protests that are now being classified as riots and this president is the only thing standing between that and anarchy. here's what it is. it's about defending the police, it's about making sure that we fund them properly, not defund them. it's about making sure that they have the tools to restore law and order and keep safe communities. this is all about safety, whether it's in the cities or in
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the suburbs. we need to make sure that we support it. this president has been not -- he's never equivocated in that manner. we were talking about how we can assist portland and the governor there. they don't want the help. we continue to see day in, day out, things that come across the screen that are just appalling. chris: i'm going to ask senator kuhns in a moment about all that. the house yesterday passed a bill to give the post office $25 billion more to end any of the operational changes, all of this to make sure that people will be able to vote reliably, safely, securely, by mail in the november election. why would the president say he's going to veto that? >> well, chris, your premise is not correct. the $25 billion largely messaging bill, because it's going absolutely nowhere, has
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nothing to do with voting. it has everything to do with the political statement. here's how i know. because in the privacy of the negotiating room, i offered 10 0 billion plus reforms for the postal service that they've been asking for for a long time, to speaker pelosi and chuck schumer and when we offered that, there was another thing that came along with that. the postmaster general said he was willing to pay whatever overtime that was needed to make sure that we delivered the mail on time first class mail which includes mail-in ballots so it was not an issue three weeks ago. here's what we do know. the speaker said she wasn't willing to do anything piecemeal and yet we have a piecemeal piece of legislation on a saturday. why didn't she come in and do enhanced unemployment? why didn't she do support for small businesses? why didn't she come in and do money for education and day-care? i mean, if we're going to be serious about this, let's get
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serious about it and hopefully what will happen is the republican senators will take this bill when it comes across, they'll amend it and actually address many of the things that are hurting america right now in terms of this pandemic response and be able to get it to the president's desk. chris: i want to ask you one more question about voting but not mail-in voting. sean hannity asked the president this week about whether the republicans are going to put out poll watchers to make sure that in-person voting will be safe and secure and here was the president's answer. >> we're going to have everything. we're go to have sheriffs and we're going to have law enforcement and we're going to have hopefully u.s. attorneys and we're going to have everybody, and attorney generals. chris: why is the president talking about law enforcement at the polls, which you know from our history is an old tactic
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that has been used especially in the south as a form of voter suppression, especially against minorities. >> yeah, i think what we have is we need to make sure that our polls are safe and we need to make sure that the polling places continue to be there. i think what the president was really addressing is to make sure that if you want to show up and vote in person, we're going to make sure that that is safe. whether you're voting for him or you're voting for joe biden or you're voting for some other candidate, as we look at that, sometimes in this new covid response, what we're finding is, is because of social of distancing, we see a lot more aggressive behavior than i've ever seen in a grocery store and so to the extent that we're going to deploy thousands of sheriffs, no, we're not going to do that. to the extent that we're going to make sure it's safe and if the judges at those polling places need any kind of security, we're going to make sure they have the resources to
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do that. chris: the president tweeted this yesterday. i want to put it up on the screen. the deep state or whoever at fda is making it very difficult for drug companies to get people in order to test the vaccines and therapeutics, but you know the president is holding a press conference this evening with the head of the fda to announce we've been told a major breakthrough on therapeutics. so why is he tweeting out that some people at the fda, the deep state at the fda is trying to hurt him and delaney kind of scientific progress until after the election. >> well, we're not going to cut corners on any kind of research we can do but what we will do is cut the red tape. what the president was specifically addressing is something that i've been involved with over the last three or four weeks, is a real frustration with some of the bureaucrats who think they can do this the way they normally do it. we're facing unprecedented times which require unprecedented
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action. this president is right to call it out and i can tell you that the announcement that's coming today should have been made several weeks ago. it was a fumble by a number of people in the federal government that should have done it differently and having been personally involved with it, sometimes you have to make them feel the heat if they don't see the light. i applaud the president for putting out the tweet and i can tell you, it's not just on the announcement that's coming today, there are other actions that need to be taken to make sure that we get the protections for the american people quickly, safely, and securely and we will do that but it's only with the unrelenting pressure of the president to make sure that that gets done. chris: sorry to interrupt. i've got a minute left. i want to ask you one last question. >> that's great. chris: the president was asked this week about q'anon, a conspiracy theory group that the fbi has called a domestic terror
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threat. he was -- the president said he was thankful for the support of people in q'anon which led to this exchange. >> this belief that you are secretly saving the world from this satanic cult of pedophiles and cannable. idoes that sound like something you are behind? >> i haven't heard that. is that supposed to be a bad thing or a good thing. >> chris: does the president disavow, does he condemn q'anon? >> listen, we don't even know what it is. i can tell you, you've spent more time talking on it, chris, than we have in the white house. i find it sa appalling that the media when we have all of the important things going on, a list of top 20s the first question in a press conference would be about q'anon that hi to google to figure out what it is. it's not a essential part of what the president is talking
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about. i don't know about it. i don't know that it's credible. chris: it's not my first question. it's my last question. but i've got -- my point it -- >> it is a question that you're bringing up. it's ridiculous. if you want to talk about conspiracy. let's talk about how the fbi and others within the fbi spied on the trump campaign. i'll be glad to speak about that. chris: i've got 30 seconds here. the point is, it's a hate group. it's a group that has -- is called by the fbi a domestic -- the fbi, a domestic terror threat. why are you -- >> the president is not for hate. i can tell you if it's a hate group that's there, lee let's look at domestic terrorism and look at antifa and quit spending time on something that 81% of republicans don't even know what you're talking about. chris: i think i'll just add the only reason that people keep asking is because we didn't get an answer like you did just now. thank you, sir. thank you, congressman. >> i'll be glad to give you an
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answer, chris. here's what we have to do. i don't see it as a legitimate thing that we have to address and so we're not going to address it. we're going to talk about things that are important to the american people. chris: thank you, sir. >> thank you. chris: we'll watch what happens at the gop convention this week and the message that the president and all of you send to the american people. thank you, sir. up next, we'll turn to a member of the biden inner circle to discuss the democratic convention and what promises to be a rough fall campaign. guys, times are tough. but force factor's test x180 can help us man up, america, by boosting total testosterone. build muscle, fuel desire, and improve performance. get test x180 from force factor, the #1 fastest-growing men's health brand
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chris: our next guest has known joe biden for more than three decades and is one of his
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closest allies in washington. joining us from wilmington, delaware, senator chris kuhns. welcome back to fox news sunday. >> thanks, chris. great to be on with you again. chris: republicans say one of the things they're going to hit at this convention at their convention are things that democrats didn't talk about this last week at their convention. here is president trump on the issue of urban violence. >> if you want a vision of your life under biden presidency, think of the smoldering ruins in minneapolis, the violent anarchy of portland, the blood stained sidewalks of chicago. chris: why didn't joe biden talk about the alarming spike of violence in our cities? >> well, chris, what we heard from joe biden thursday nights t was an inspiring, energetic, hopeful and uplifting speech over response to press inquiries, he made it clear, he
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doesn't support defunding the police and he doesn't support violent protests. what he does embrace is the tens of millions of americans of all backgrounds who have taken to the streets in peaceful protests over recent months, speaking to the long unaddressed issues of racial injustice and inequality in our country. chris: but senator, we're not talking about protests here. we're not talking about defunding the police. we're talking about crime and let me put up some very troubling numbers. chicago has seen 50 of% increase in homicides this year. in new york, murders are up 30%. in portland, there have been often violent protests, protests that become violent for 86 straight days. police there have declared riots at least 13 times. why does joe biden think it's happening and what will he do as president to stop it? >> well, three things, chris. joe biden is someone with a long record of supporting appropriate
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community policing. just because joe biden and kamala harris see a path forward in which they will reform policing to make it more just and more appropriate in our multiethnic, multi-faith community, doesn't mean they fail to support police. second, in the city of portland, sending in federal law enforcement that was over-militaryized and wasn't asked for or welcomed by the mayor or governor helped accelerate demonstrations that had become violent riots. so frankly, as someone who was responsible for the second largest law enforcement agency in my state, i'll say there are situations in which federal law enforcement is welcome and needed and situations, this was one of them, where frankly the way president trump sent in heavy handed federal law enforcement simply made things worse. i think the record of both joe biden and kamala harris in terms of community policing, getting a handle on violent crime, is a
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great record for them to run on and more than anything, their tone was optimistic, was unifying, and as you just showed, president trump has had a d divisive, angry time, that t times has a racial tinge. chris: let me ask you about another issue that republicans are going to hit democrats for. they say that at your convention last week you ignored the threat from china. here again is the president. >> china was never mentioned in any way, shape, or form. china will own our country if he gets elected. they will own our country. and we're not going to let that happen. chris: now, mr. trump hit china with that travel ban in january. he imposed stiff tariff as part of trade negotiations. joe biden routinely on the campaign trail dismisses the idea that china is serious competition, his phrase, for the united states.
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they're going to say that joe biden is soft on china. >> well, nothing could be further from the truth. let's be clear. what joe biden says on the campaign trail is he believes in us. he believes that the american people, the american worker can out-compete china. but he is very clear-eyed about the threat and the challenge that china presents to the united states. look, i have commended president trump -- chris: why didn't he say anything about it at the convention? >> he has said a lot about it on the campaign trail. and he has detailed plans for how to strengthen our global network of alliances to effectively stand up to china. i'll remind you, back in january and february, as the pandemic was spreading around the world, it was donald trump who was saying positive things, cozying up to xi jinping and it was joe biden who was sounding the alarm bells about this pandemic. donald trump, our president, failed to act responsibly as
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this pandemic was beginning to impact americans. today, we have five and-a-half million infected americans, 175,000 dead americans, because of the bungled federal response. you can't simply blame china as a way to get our country out of this pandemic and the recession and the chaos that's resulted from president trump's failed response. chris: let me pick up on the coronavirus because joe biden was asked, this will obviously be perhaps the biggest single issue in the campaign, and biden was asked on friday how far he would go to fight the coronavirus. here's his answer. >> i would be prepared to do whatever it takes to save lives because we cannot get the country moving until we control the virus. >> so if the scientists say shut it down. >> i would shut it down. i would listen to the scientis scientists. chris: joe biden is really prepared to shut down the country, to shut down the economy again?
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>> what joe biden said there was he will listen to public health experts. he will listen to dr. fauci. he will listen to leaders from the nih and the cdc. that's something donald trump has demon tabley failed to do. donald trump is like a man lost on the highway and refuses to ask for directions. in fact, worse. he has peddle peddled quackery. if public l health officials say that's the only way forward, he is willing to do it. he's willing to lead. donald trump failed to confront this pandemic. countries similar to ours like canada or japan at similar stages of development have gotten a handle on this virus, the number of deaths, the impact on their economy, far better. what joe biden is showing is leadership and a willingness to trust science. chris: i've got one minute left. i want to ask you one more question. you've known joe biden as we've
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said, i think for 34 years. you are close to him politically, personally. no question, he delivered an effective speech on thursday night but it was a prepared speech and he was reading from a teleprompter. sometimes when he is speaking off-the-cuff he gets tangled up in his words and sometimes he loses his train of thought. why is that? >> well, two things. one of the most inspiring moments of the entire convention was when braeden hairington of concord, new hampshire, talked about how joe biden who met him at an event didn't just take a minute and smile and shake his hand but took him back stage, sat with him, talked with him because they share a common challenge, overcoming stuttering. joe biden is someone whose heart is good, who has deep empathy for others, who is rooted in his faith, motivated by care and concern for others. i wish i could say the same about our president and his uneven relationship with the
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truth. but when joe biden occasionally misspeaks as he's engaged and connecting with the american people, i know what his heart is motivating him to do, to fight to protect our healthcare, to fight to help us build our economy back better and to fight to save america's position in the world as a beacon of freedom. all of those are good instincts. i'm frankly happy to forgive the occasion stumble because i know where his heart is rooted. chris: senator kuhns, thank you. thanks for joining us today. always good to talk with you, sir. >> thank you, chris. chris: up next, we'll bring in our sunday group to discuss the gop's turn in the political spotlight. and how they plan to respond to the democrats. no one should face breast cancer alone.
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character is on the ballot. compassion is on the ballot. decency, science, democracy, they're all on the ballot. >> where joe biden sees american darkness, i see american greatness. chris: joe biden and president trump with two very different takes on what the democratic ticket is offering voters this november. and it's time now no for our suy
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group. gop strategist, karl rove, susan page of usa today and fox news political analyst juan williams. karl, i talked with a senior trump campaign official yesterday who said that while democrats spent much of their week talking about how bad the country's situation is, how bad people should feel about it, that they want to give people permission to feel good about america, to feel proud about being americans. question. how hard a sell is that at a time when we have close to 175,000 people dead from the virus and millions of people still unemployed? >> well, look, it's aspirational. i mean, 1932 franklin roosevelt did not give an acceptance speech that was downbeat, he gave one that was optimistic and upbeat about the potential to overcome the great challenges
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the great country faced. i think that would be well advised for the republican convention to project what needs to be done and project a sense of optimism and hope that if we pull together that these things can be achieved and that the country can return to prosperity and return to forward movement. so you know, this is -- the democratic convention, i'm not certain was deeply negative but it wasn't -- it was mostly concerned with blaming president trump for the coronavirus. he better focus on the future and tell people what happens in the next four years. chris: susan, i'm also told that republicans want to make this more of a traditional convention, more traditional speeches, more traditional videos, less of what they call a tv show. what do you think that republicans need to do this week? >> you know, i think they need to do two things. they need to reassure the voters who put donald trump in the oval office in the first place that
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they made a good decision. some of those voters are reluctant to vote for him again because of the coronavirus and the economic catastrophes that followed that. they need to do a second thing, make joe biden seem unactentable to voters in the middle. joe biden has a lead right now, not an insurmountable one. the task of bringing down joe biden as either someone who is weak or someone who is a captive of the party's left wing, that is the task i think that republicans face over the next four days. chris: juan, the trump campaign thinks it can capitalize on some issues, some problems that they think the democrats largely ignored in their convention especially urban violence which you just heard me discussing with senator kuhns. how big an opening did democrats leave for the republicans by really failing to address what's going on in the streets of chicago and new york and portland and minneapolis?
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>> well, chris, i think they had a successful convention because they spent time talking about the issues that americans care about, which is the virus, which is jobs, which i is reopening schools. when president trump focuses on that racially charged term, urban violence, i think he's trying to distract from his failure on those core issues by raising or stirring up racial tension. i mean, clearly what you have is a situation in those cities where you have a spike, a spike i'll say, in homicides especially gang-related, drug-related crimes and of course you have fights between extremists in places like portland. but that doesn't speak to the overall issue. overall, crime is down in this country and i think people need to understand it's down markedly from last year. it's down -- violent crime is down i believe like 50% from 30 years ago. so what trump is trying to do is he's trying to steer people --
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scare people, i think especially targeting suburbanites by saying there's racial tension and violence and it could spread tour areas. he's even try to do this on housings policy. chris: let me bring in karl. while it was generally perceived as a successful convention, joe biden was relatively light in talking about specific policies and talked much more about a change in tone from what he says is the anger and division of the trump presidency. here is joe biden. >> we can choose a different path and together take this chance to heal, to reform, to unite, a path of hope and light. this is a life-changing election. chris: karl, is that enough of a message for joe biden? >> no. it's a start and it's a powerful start but it has to be backed up
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by specifics, it has to be backed up by a vision, it has to be backed up by an agenda and we haven't seen that and we won't see that i think for a while. maybe because it's going to pop up during the debates. i think that the biden campaign has made a strategic decision that they can win this election by saying joe biden is not donald trump, donald trump is a terrible person, he has botched the coronavirus, so if you want to know anymore, go back to the start. joe biden's a decent guy. donald trump's a terrible person. and i don't think that's going to be enough. and frankly, juan, with all due respect to my friend juan williams, the dismissal of what's happening in portland as you an appeal to racial division, as i see it most of those protesters, most of the rioters are white and trying to burn down the federal courthouse is not something that makes the american people feel like that's sort of a let's just ignore that. burning down a large part of minneapolis, killing a retired black cop in st. louis for trying to protect a store is not
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seen as acceptable behavior. chris: let me get susan in here, guys. one of the things that was striking about the convention is how united it was and it seemed that the party was able to paper over some pretty sharp policy differences between the sanders wing and the biden wing of the party. one, do you think they can maintain that unity for the rest of the campaign, the next 72 days? and two, how quickly if joe biden is elected president, how quickly does party division break out after the election? >> well, you saw a convention that ranged from trying -- tried to range from john kasich to ao ocdemocrats. the unity lasts i think as long as they are focused on defeating
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president trump. but realistically, after election day, if joe biden wins the white house, if democrats hold the house and -- hold the house, win the senate, you're going to see those divisions emerge about exactly what to do when it comes to all the big challenges that this country is going to be facing. chris: all right, panel. we have to take a break here. when we come back, we'll discuss the continuing battle over mail-in voting as house democrats approve changes in the u.s. postal service ahead of the 2020 election. find your keys. find your get-up-and-go. find pants that aren't sweats. find your friends. find your sense of wander. find the world is new, again. at chevy we'd like to take you there. now during the chevy open road sales event, get up to 15% of msrp cash back on select 2020 models. that's over fifty-seven hundred dollars cash back on this equinox.
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>> here we are today voting on a measure to save the postal service because it is being sabotaged by a desperate president in order to cheat in the 2020 election. >> it's a fabricated crisis. it's a shame that instead of
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helping small businesses and families, they're trying to scare the american people. chris: heated debate in a rare saturday session as 26 republicans broke ranks to vote with house democrats to approve $25 billion for the postal service, ahead of the november election. and we're back now with our panel. juan, where do you think the battle over mail-in balloting stands now as we say the house just passed its bill but it's going to go nowhere in the senate and if it did the president says he would veto it. the postmaster general says it's his, quote, sacred duty to make sure the ballots all get in on time and the president says that mail-in balloting will be a catastrophe. so where do we go from here? >> well, i think you have to keep in mind it's plain as the morning sun, it's nothing fabricated to say that the president wants to break the postal service because he sees it as the venue, the conduit for
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mail-in voting in this country and, you know, nobody has to say this or make it up. the president said it himself on fox business. he said that he thinks that the -- he's denying money to the postal service because if he does that, he can then deny then the ability to fulfill mail-in voting on a large scale. you know, to me, five states already do this, chris. universal mail-in voting, no fraud, no problem. we have a pandemic in this country. and it makes sense to make sure that people have the ability to vote easily. the president doesn't want people to vote. chris: okay. karl, here is what president trump said this week about mail-in voting. >> universal is going to be a disaster, the likes of which our country has never seen. it will end up being a rigged election or they'll never come out with an outcome. they'll have to do it again.
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chris: what do you think of the president's continued attack on mail-in voting and his allegation that it will produce a rigged election? >> well, he's not just doing a very good job of distinguishing between universal mail-in balloting which means you send a ballot to everybody on the voter list including for example in nevada, 200,000 people in clark county, nevada, who no longer live at those addresses. the post office said they move, they no longer live at those addresses. he's not done a good job of distinguishing between that and what we have traditionally done which is you request an absentee ballot and you get it sent through the mail. the latter is fine. we have systems in place to handle it. we don't have systems in place to handle the other thing, which is what we've seen in nevada, we saw it in new york, we saw it -- we see it in california. there are five states that vote by mail, all of the votes. and they do a good job of it. but as the secretary of state of washington state, one of the
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states said, it took five years to put the systems in place to do it accurately and the idea that we're going to send out ballots to people who on those lists are inactive voters who of haven't voted for the last six weeks and the post office said don't live at those addresses is wrong and disaster in the making. chris: susan, a number of republican officials worry that the result of the president bashing mail-in voting is that democrats will take advantage of it and vote by mail and some republicans who don't want to go because of the covid virus to the polls won't vote at all. isn't there a possibility here that the president could be talking down his own vote? >> you hear this from state republican parties which are focused on getting their voters to use mail-in ballots. this is a huge -- i don't think democrats see this as a benefit. this is a huge concern for democrats. most americans will want to vote for them. many will be deterred from voting by problems getting to the polls or fears of using a
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mail-in ballot. there was no more consistent message from the democratic convention than to plan to vote, to be prepared to go to the polls from the first night with michelle obama to the last one with joe biden. chris: meanwhile, mark meadows -- >> i could add a quick data point to that. in 2016, 1 million people, roughly a million democrats and a million republicans in florida voted by mail. this year, 3.4 million people have requested an absentee ballot. nearly 2 million democrats and about a million, foreigns. what was in -- four republicans. what was a advantage for republicans four years ago is now a 600,000 application advantage for the democrats, this is having an evidence ebbing. democrats are energized, getting ballots in. republicans not so much, voting by mail. chris: let me switch to another superintendent. mark meadows, the chief of staff, was on capitol hill this week and yesterday trying to
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meet -- failing to meet with speaker pelosi to talk about the issue of a skinny covid relief bill. here is mark meadows. >> why is she here on a saturday talking about a slimmed down version for the postal service. is she saying that the postal service is more important than unemployed americans? chris: they didn't meet. the fact is that there has been no compromise, no progress on any kind of relief and the president's executive actions really are not helping in terms of providing extra federal benefits to people, eviction protection, payroll tax cuts, suspension. juan, how long can this stalemate go on and isn't somebody going to pay a terrible political price? >> i think both sides should pay a political price here, chris, because people have real pain and need and i think it affects the economy ultimately. so it's all of us that suffer
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and i would think that the idea that the democrats and the house, the house majority there passed the bill now i guess back in may gives you an idea that there was inaction from the white house and the senate side on the republicans in dealing with this issue and the democrats are making the case that not only do you need the money for individuals, you need to bolster the states in order to make sure that our economy doesn't crater from the trouble caused by the coronavirus. chris: susan, it's interesting, though. nancy pelosi, here's mark meadows up on the hill saying let's do a skinny relief bill and it will provide expanded federal benefits, $300 a week through the end of the year. nancy pelosi is not budging off -- well, she came from 3 trillion to 2 trillion but she's not budging off that. >> i don't think it's impossible that a deal will be made. you saw more than two dozen republicans break with their party in the house vote. you also saw half of the
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democratic caucus sign a letter saying they were in favor of making some kind of relief going. there's pressure on both sides. the country has a crisis and congress has been unable to act for months. that doesn't look good for either side. chris: having said that, both houses, both the house and the senate are going to be out of session, at this point continuing on into labor day. so is this just going to drag on without people getting added federal benefits, without eviction protection? into september? susan. >> a deal -- there's no guarantee for a deal but there is the possibility of one. chris: that's a very optimistic note on which to end. thank you, panel. see you next sunday. up next, heading into our second largely virtual convention, we look back at big moments from republican conventions past. [male narrator] trees help us see the big picture.
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pull off the nation's first virtual convention. now all eyes are on the republicans to see if they can produce a show that lives up to their past conventions. >> what will happen when the conclave gets actual business of roll call? >> 1952 republican convention was first time the television covered event gavel to gavel. millions watched, retired general and world war ii hero dwight eisenhower win nomination and chose richard nixon as vice president. >> i accept your summon. i will lead this crusade. chris: in 1964 a bitter fight inside the gop. conservative senator goldwater beat the establishment and defended controversial agenda. >> extremism in expense of liberty is no bias. chris: that was my first time in convention working as intern.
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i couldn't believe people got paid to have so much fun. >> god bless america. chris: in 1980 ronald reagan was the nominee but conservatism was still suspect. i chased stories reagan was offering former president ford a co-presidency, to ease concerns reagan was too far for the right. >> that's the strongest ticket we could possibly fill. >> has agreed to go. >> my indication from friends very close to ford that he has agreed to go an i think that's fantastic. chris: but that night it fell apart. i got the scoop from one of reagan's floor managers. >> the central clearing house of information for the reagan campaign and and they say it's george bush. >> that's correct, george bush. chris: all the stories about ford? >> typical convention rumors. chris: 8 years later bush was
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nominee and try today reassure conservatives with this pledge. >> read my lips, no new taxes. chris: and guess who i ran into the convention floor? here tonight real estate tycoon and best-selling author donald trump. >> thank you very much. chris: you're welcome. you have flirted with the ideas of politics and now here at first national convention, does that get you interested in possibly making the plunge? >> who told you i flirted? chris: if you ran for president you'd win. >> i think i'd have a very good chance. chris: in 2008 the big news was john mccain's running mate. >> they say the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull, lipstick. [laughter] chris: i don't think it's overstate to go say being right here on the floor that a star was born tonight. a new star in the political galaxy and in 2012 the weirdest moment in all my years covering conventions. clint eastwood's conversation
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with an empty chair. >> what do you want me to tell romney? i can't tell him to do that. he can't do that to himself. [laughter] >> you're absolutely crazy. [laughter] >> you're getting as bad as biden. [laughter] chris: even with a largely virtual convention it's a safe bet that president trump will put on quite a show delighting his supporters and setting off his opponents. now this program note, join us for a democracy 2020 convention kickoff tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern and for coverage of the republicans all week on fox news channel and now the really big news, edward thompson was born this week, look for teddy to make first appearance in the wallace grand kid video later this year. what a cutie.
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