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keep it here. we're here monday through friday at 3:00 eastern. never miss a report and set the dvr. the stock market likes what it's hearing thus far. news out of wilmington, delaware. we covered that earlier. neil will pick up the baton on that. >> neil: thank you. looking live outside cdc headquarters in atlanta. we're expecting the results of the vote on who will be first in line for vaccines that are coming down the pike. how they will decide that. health workers get it first, multiple members of the population, the elderly and a mix. could set the stage for how vaccines in general are treated and who gets them and when. whether it goes even beyond this country. welcome, everybody. i'm neil cavuto. this is "your world." we get more world from bill barr
that he's seen voter fraud on a widespread basis that it influenced the election and tilted it in favor of joe biden. we understand he's at the white house right now. it's fair to say that president trump might not be pleased with that. but from the attorney general, evidence of widespread fraud in the election or one that would alter the outcome. john roberts following the fast-moving developments at the white house. john? >> neil, good afternoon to you. the attorney general is currently at the white house and watching for his departure here. he was here for a meeting and was no set to meet the president. but as we all know, those of us that cover the white house, that could change in a moment's notice, particularly since there's a sharp difference in opinion between what the attorney general is saying and what the trump campaign is saying. first of all, what the attorney general told the associated press, here's the marquee headline. the attorney general said to
date we have not seen a fraud that could affect a different outcome in the election. there's the caveat in that statement, "to date" there at the top. things could change. prompted this sharp response from rudy guliani and jenna ellis, the president's legal team saying "with all due respect to the attorney general, there's not been any semblance of a department of justice investigation. we have gathered ample evidence of illegal voting in at least six states which they have not examined. we have many witnesses, swearing under oath that they saw crimes being committed in connection with voter fraud. as far as we know, not a single one has been interviewed by the doj. the justice department has not audited any voting machines or used their subpoena powers to determine the truth." now on the subject of voting machines, the doj did look into at least one allegation regarding machines. the one that was raised by michael flynn's attorney, sydney powell, that the machines were rigged the change votes under the watch of hugo chavez.
bar responding saying "there's been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be that machined were skewed to change the results. so far we have not seen anything to substantiate that." earlier this fall, barr proclaimed that mass mail-in voting would be a rich environment for voter fraud. instructed attorneys at the doj to investigate substantial fraud. the allegations were mostly localized. they're usually to a particular set of circumstances or actors or conduct. they're not systemic allegations and those have been run down. they're being run down. some have been broad and potentially cover a few thousand votes. they have been followed up on. one other piece of news out of the department of justice this afternoon, the attorney general has appointed john durham to the position of special counsel to continue looking into the
origins of the russia investigation in a new administration. that is an indication that durham's work is likely far from over. also may cast a cloud of controversy over the inauguration of president joe biden if biden is in fact elected by the electors december 14 to become the next president of the united states. so john durham will be with us for a while to come even if there's a change of administration, neil. >> neil: so in that event, john, just to get this right, there's nothing that joe biden can do about that, right? >> you know, the old independent counsel law was vacated or expired and now there's a new one that is covered by the department of justice. my understanding that if a special counsel is appointed, he continues until their work is completed regardless of who occupies the oval office.
>> neil: not a quiet news day for you. >> you know what we call it around here? we call it tuesday. >> neil: yeah, i hear you. john roberts in the middle of all of that. well, sounds right, no reason to doubt it. bill barr meeting with the president. curious how the president will react on this whole issue of systemic fraud that could atter outcome of the election. tom dupree, his thoughts on that. welcome to both of you. tom, to you first on the significance of the attorney general saying exactly what he said. because it would seem to poke a hole in any legal battle the president is contemplating on his campaign has built on to try to reverse this thing. >> neil, i think it's a pretty significant development.
the attorney general wasn't under any legal requirement to announce what the doj had found or hadn't found. this was a decision to make a public statement that the attorney general made on his own. it's really hard to read his statement as anything other than a dagger to the heart of the president's lawyer. the arguments that rudy guliani and others have been making about systemic fraud. the attorney general gave a report that he wasn't required to give but gave the report and said doj and dhs investigators have not found any evidence of the sort of systemic fraud that is the basis for the campaign's ongoing lawsuits. >> neil: you know, stephen, the one thing that they held out, this notion that he said all of that with the understanding yet. haven't found anything yet without saying yet. so are we to read into that as things stands now, the attorney general thinks it's over or that
that could change? if new information materializes? little time for it to materialize. >> right. i think you're right about that, neil. the caveat language to date is just, you know, lawyerly caution. i don't think we're supposed to read too much into that and think that suddenly after weeks of looking or evidence of systemic fraud and after weeks of having trump's attorneys have the opportunity to present evidence of systemic fraud or systemic problems that would change the outcome of the election, that now suddenly it would materialize. doesn't seem likely that that will happen. you know, as you said, there's not much time. the safe harbor deadline under federal law is december 8. all the states will try to succeed in getting certification and everything wrapped up before that time. as you know, six days later december 14, the electoral college meets and seems unlikely that after december 8 and after december 14 there will be much that would come up that would
change it. >> neil: this is me thinking this and wondering about the confluence of events, tom. you think bill barr appointing this durham special counsel for investigations is the beginning of the origins of the russian probe was not accidental? it was maybe meant to mitigate the dealt to the president by saying this whole election thing is going nowhere? >> the timing does seem coincidental at the very least, neil. that is probably what is going on here. the attorney general has to know the message he was going to bring about the election fraud-lack of evidence was not a message that was going to sit well with the president. so it's entirely possible that he thought at the same time he was making that announcement he would make the durham announcement, which is the attorney general's effort to do everything he can to unconstitutionally ensure that the durham investigation continues, that it endures into
the biden presidency and that it's an investigation that will respect in final conclusions that possibly findings. >> neil: december 14, the electoral college meets. it will presumably confirm joe biden winning. appears to be 306 electoral votes right now. is that it? is it over at that point? >> each date, december 8, december 14, january 6 and congress meets to certify the results and obviously innothing -- inauguration, it's a smaller chance. there's no hard and fast rule that you couldn't have a court ruling that might upset things after december 14. but it seems really unlikely. there are -- let's be clear.
there's individual instances of problems with a few votes here or there. even if you amalgamed them together, you wouldn't change the outcome in a swing state let alone three or four that you'd need to change the election. for all practical purposes, december 14 is the last realistic date. i'd like to mention quickly that although we tonight have evidence that that would change the outcome of the election, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be careful about making sure that these kinds of problems don't occur in the future. every electronic voting machine is capable of being hacked. so there's some real reason for thinking about moving to a complete hand mark paper ballot system as most states have done, 2/3s of the voters use that. no reason that we can't think about those kinds of reforms going forward.
but very little reason to think with it will change this election. >> neil: very key legitimate issues have been raised. thanks, gentlemen, very much. switches to atlanta, georgia right now. we're continuing to monitor this cdc gathering of advisers on how best to handle the vaccine, who gets them and when, what is the pecking order and down the road when other vaccines come out. how do you handle that? a laundry list and organization of who gets what how soon. ♪ ♪ smooth driving pays off with allstate, the safer you drive the more you save you never been in better hands allstate click or call for a quote today
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>> neil: so who gets the vaccine? that's what they're deciding at cdc headquarters in atlanta. advisers gathering, sharing information and voting on how to go about this process. let's assume that healthcare professionals would be among the first. anyone's guess how they will rule on this. the stage that they set for the first vaccine will probably be set for future vaccine and who getses one. laura ingle with more. hi, laura. >> hi, neil. we've been listening in on this virtual meeting with the cdc. this vote that is about to
happen this hour will do exactly that. it will set the table for who is going to get the vaccine first. you mentioned the front-line healthcare workers and the elderly. they have to prioritize the subgroups that vote is expected to any minute now. people being put in the phase 1 group. the discussion on how to look at a tiered approach if supplies are i'm will -- limited moderna and pfizer, distribution will be handled by the federal government but ultimately the big decision on who will get the vaccines will be passed on to individual states. that means governors. the committee made up of 15 voting members and several other vaccine experts will determine those in the first category, which will consist of healthcare workers including hospitals, long-term care facilities, ems
and pharmacies and home healthcare workers. dr. anthony fauci says everyone who wants to get the vaccine should be able to get it by next summer. >> i believe that will be as we enter into and get to the end of the second quarter of 2021. starting with april and going to may, june, july, by that time, if people want to get it, they can get it and hopefully everybody would want to get it. >> yeah, that's the key. while the cdc works on the priority list, the commissioner of the fda was summoned to the white house to talk about the vaccine's approval. we've been told there were tough questions asked. why is this taking so long? the fda commissioner was told look, if you need help from the federal government to get it moving along, we can provide it for you. it was a briefing so to speak at the white house with the fda commissioner. more to come as we get it with this big vote happening this hour, neil. >> neil: laura ingle, thanks
very much. want to go to the former health and human services secretary. mike, knowing what is at stake here, common sense would seem to dictate and you and i chat about this last time you were here that those in harm's way obviously would be among the first to get it. what would be a surprise is that it wasn't the case. >> i think it is likely to be the case. i think we'll see it roll out in phases. we'll have the first will be of course healthcare workers in high risk, people in nursing facilities and then go to people that have high clinical risks. and then work from there on down. we'll see another phase where you'll see teachers, have people that are child care workers, essential workers that need to be in place to make the economy work. >> neil: what is your thinking on how this goes in transition
to the biden administration? obviously, you know, they want to make this orderly transition. i know there's still legal fights included here. part of the transition would be on this virus front that everyone is on the same page in the sense of a vaccine and those that become available including one from pfizer and moderna that are the closest to happening now. how is that going, you think? >> well, i'm told that the teams are actively working together now. that they're -- the trump team is giving insight to the biden team and that recognizing there's one president at a time. one administration at a time. i think we're in a window here where there's likely to be a fair amount of collaborative discussion recognizing the bulk of this will have to occur under a biden administration. >> neil: these are two largely american concerns as you know,
secretary, moderna and pfizer. seems to be an understanding that americans will be the first to get these doses. that doesn't have to be the case. you think it should be the case. >> well, they're operating under a contract. pfizer, for example, they have a contract with the united states government to deliver 100 million doses. moderna, 100 million doses. johnson & johnson under contract for 100 million doses. i feel confident this they're contracting with other governments. as a matter of contact, the order of those are produced is likely determined and greed upon. >> neil: understood. thanks, mike. former health and human services secretary. have a safe holiday. dr. anita gupta here, the expert
in keeping people calm on all things virus. glad to have you here. obviously it's as close as the number of doses we're talking about, it's going to be a slow roll out. billions across the planet want to be protected. maybe tens of millions available right now that doesn't mean tens of millions of individuals. some require two applications. how do you think this process will go? >> well, thank you, first of all, for having me on. look, what is really important to remember is that a vaccine doesn't save lives. it's the vaccination strategy. we really need to understand that it's a collective responsibility here. there's so much work that will be necessary to turn this vaccine into a clear and concise vaccination prevention strategy. has to be comprehensive and address trust and has to be transparent. i think what we're seeing is
that 50% of the people in the united states are not quite sure that they want to take the vaccine. that is the critical point where we're at right now. even though this is a historic movement from the federal government, you know, from getting pfizer, moderna, astra zeneca and rigorous and swift and incredible, this is the first step in controlling the spread and driving hope throughout our country and the world to save lice. >> neil: you know, there's a lot of suspicion on the part of americans leery to take whatever vaccine is coming. some think it's been politicized. others think that unless they see a stamp of approval from the fda and even then they'll be suspicious. others leery of that. how can you convince patients down the road, depending on the roll-out and who has what and when to take it? >> a lot of this will come down
to education. awareness. understanding what a vaccine is. you know, 65 to 70% of the population needs to be vaccinated according to the world health organization. in order to prevent outbreaks. no vaccine can prevent anybody from becoming ill if half of the population is not on board. these are important data points. everybody needs to become aware. we need to review the data that we will hear from the fda and safety and efficacy and the populations need to be served equitably. a lot of things ahead that i'm sure we'll discuss. but this needs to be a collective responsibility on everyone's part. we're all connected to this. certainly a lot of hope ahead. >> >> neil: dr. fauci said, you know, if he had it his way, the little family gatherings that we
were recommending to practice on thanksgiving he would continue for christmas and new year's to make sure that we don't botch this. we keep the crowds low, the family gatherings limited. you agree with that? >> yes. yeah. dr. fauci is -- you know, he's correct. we have to remember prevention is number 1 here. again, you know, the vaccine is incredible hope and combined with the comprehensive strategy will get this pandemic under control by 2021. that is the hope here. >> neil: dr. anita gupta, good catching up with you. thanks for keeping us calm. we need that. the anesthesiologist extraordinary. dr. gupta. meantime, you through we can't get stimulus? i want you to meet a key player in a bipartisan effort to get that out there. not wait until the new administration. get it done under this one. after this.
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>> neil: well, my next guest says it's more than making a point. part of a bipartisan effort to find emergency relief and a $8 billion package, if you will. senator mackey from the beautiful state of new hampshire. thanks for taking the time. >> thanks for having me, neil. >> neil: a good deal of bipartisan support for this. the price tag is lower than some of your fellow democrats want. it's more than some of your fellow republicans want which means maybe you're on to something here. where to you think this thing goes? >> well, look, first of all, i have been hering from constituents all across new hampshire and i know my colleagues have been hearing from their constituents across the country about the need for targeted relief right now. we have families and individuals that are unemployed and for many of them their unemployment runs out literally the day after christmas. they need to put food on the
table and pay their rent. we know we have small businesses that are struggling, healthcare facilities that need support. schools need help to enable kids to get back into schools physically. we know state and local governments need help to prevent the lay-offs that would diminish services in this pandemic and undermine the economy. so this is about a group of democrats and republicans in both the senate and the house coming together and having really hard discussions over the last couple weeks about where they're willing to go and what they think needs to be done. this is a targeted bill. it's not as much as most democrats need to be for investing for relief. it's more than most of the republicans think we should be doing. that's the nature of compromise. this is a bipartisan bill. we don't have time to waste here. it's something that we believe could pass our chamber and in the house. >> neil: it seems, senator, that
president-elect biden hinted that we need this but we need more in the new administration. presumably his administration on top of this. you agree with that? >> well, again, we need the president-elect, new administration to come on board and assess where things are when they come in to office. make their own recommendations. that's why what this agreement between republicans and democrats in both chambers really looked at is what do we need to help our constituents, our businesses get through this dark, cold, long winter where we know that we're seeing a surge in the pandemic. so what this is really designed to do is carry us through the first quarter of 2021 and at that point with a new administration in office having assessed what they think the situation is, they can make their own recommendations and we can work across party lines to figure out next steps forward. >> neil: to your point, senator, something that is bipartisan. one or the other side is not
convinced. some democrats are concerned there's not more generous unemployment provisions at the federal level. nothing like the $600 a week at the height of the pandemic that has since expired. what do you say to that and whether that is something that is negotiable? >> so what this agreement does, the $908 billion frame work, it continues unemployment with a $300 federal plus-up if you will as opposed to the 600. that's a result of compromise. what i would say to people, our constituents need this relief now. their unemployment will run out the day after christmas. we can either delay things by having this disagreement about what the precise right number is or we can get them some relief right now and continue to work together over the course of the new year's and into the next quarter to see whether there's additional relief that needs to be targeted that way. right now what i'm hearing from constituents and businesses,
everybody across my state, we need another relief package and we need it now. >> neil: if i can switch subject as little bit, senator. as you might have heard, bill barr has, you know, weighed in on this fraudulent election issue the president has been pounding and his campaign litigating. there's not enough there prove it widespread enough to have altered the outcome. i don't know how he's being received at the white house. how do you react? >> we had one of the most secure elections in our country. representatives and attorneys have been invited to put forward evidence that meets a court standard for evidence of widespread voter fraud or other kind of irregularities and they vice president done that. what is very clear is that president-elect joe biden and vice president-elect kamala
harris won this election, won it be a considerable margin and i think it's really important for americans to come together and unite and really focus on the task at hand. that's what we tried to do in this agreement about pandemic relief. you know, my dad always said to me, americans disagree a lot. we're a passionate people and have strong opinions and love our freedom to express those opinions. that's the beauty of our country. we also need to unite when we have challenges. that's what we need to do now. people need to have different opinions about who they voted nor and why. right now it's important for us to unite and to work with the incoming administration and with members of both parties to make our way through this pandemic. i'm hopeful about the new vaccine. we have a lot of work to get it distributed and administered to everybody. then we're going to have to work to make our economy even stronger. so you know, we have to get through a difficult time with the economy now, but then i think a lot of us are hopeful
about what lies ahead. that's what i would encourage all americans to do. come together, focus what we're capable of. americans are unstoppable when we work together. we all want a strong vibrant and exclusive economy. >> neil: does it matter how as a senator and a former governor that the president will even be at the inauguration? the litigation continues. he seemingly hinted that maybe after we get the electoral vote decided in a couple weeks that he would accept that. but if he doesn't go to the inauguration, if he counters that with another event, maybe to seize a 2024 run, what would you think of that? >> look, i think one of the great strengths of our democracy has been the peaceful transition of power. the understanding that after elections, you work to put
partisanship aside and make sure that the next administration is prepared -- is as prepared as they can be. that requires cooperation and it requires a smooth transition and one of the ways that we have always observed that transition and really honored our traditions in a democracy, the notion that once the votes are counted, whoever wins takes the next administration forward. being president, the inauguration is really important. i have always appreciated what my colleagues, political allies and political opponents have done around inaugurations, witness that transfer of power. it's the key to our strength and one of our core values. i would hope that this administration will find its way to doing that. >> neil: all right, senator, very good catching up with you. a lot on this bipartisan effort to make provide some stimulus in
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>> hi, neil. i've been listening to the vote for the asip, a group that advises the cdc coming at any moment now. i want to put on the screen the recommendation and what they're about to vote on. "when a covid-19 vaccine is authorized by the fda and recommended by asip, healthcare personnel and residents of long-term care facilities should be offered vaccination in the initial phase of the covid-19 vaccination program." so that's what they're just about to vote on at this moment in time. when you talk about healthcare professionals, who is that group? it's roughly 21 million adults in this country, 8% of the adult u.s. population. those that work in hospitals, long-term care facilities, home healthcare and pharmacies, ems workers and public health officials as well. part of the conversation from asip neil is what do you do about those in long-term care
facilities? not only do you have the workers providing care to the number like 1.7 million americans, but what about the individuals themselves? older americans. do you vaccinate the people that live there also? that is the recommendation at this point and they're putting up the vote that should occur at any moment, this is an advisory committee to the cdc and the cdc will eventually put this forward. when vaccines get distributed, it's the governors that have the final say and the health departments in those states where the vaccines end up going, neil. >> neil: blake burman at the white house. thanks very much. governors do have the final say in the distribution of this. while this concerns american companies most companies like pfizer and moderna, the first out of the gate with possible vaccines, it does not necessarily address the other companies coming down the pike
how it will be distributed. a consensus seems to be developing around vulnerable b subsets like the elderly, nursing homes. they get immediate attention before others. as blake burman reported, this is not only this advisory board's call. the governors can act as they see fit in their respective states in this country. these are two largely american concerns that are first out of the gate with the remedies to deal with the virus, moderna and pfizer. there's others in partnership with european companies themselves to whom this does not apply. but that's a separate issue for a separate day. let's go to doctor from mount sinai. we have much more. doctor, if i could begin with you on your sense of how they're
doing to come down on this. common sense and protocol seems to dictate the elderly, healthcare workers and et cetera. should it be in that pecking order? >> yes, it should. the national academy of science recommendations, the first staff in nursing home, people 65 years old, people that have chronic conditions, people in prison, essential workers. >> neil: doctor, when you look at this, you'll be encounters patients regardless of where they are on this vaccine relief list won't be keen on taking it for a variety of reasons. could be the politicization of this procession and people that just don't a take them. how do you deal with your
patients doctor? >> this is going to be a huge challenge. the most recent numbers, the most polls out there show that 58% of people would be ready to take a vaccine. but much of this hesitancy, because it's a short time when the vaccine was developed. i'm confident as we advocate more about the safety of the vaccines and we have the first round of vaccination as we discussed the healthcare workers and the elderly, high risk. in this picture, when you deal with covid, if you don't participate to the solution here you're a problem. so we're in a minor world here. either you help or you're a problem yourself. so hopefully we'll have more people joining the vaccination. it will be a huge enterprise. >> neil: yeah. don't be a problem here.
do the right thing. doctor, i'm curious, there's a lot of people particularly young people typically feel bulletproof at their young age. why should they take a risk taking a vaccine when even if they tested positive for the virus, the odds of having a problem with it are so low. so how do you convince eventually that part of the population to take it? >> it's very unfortunate to have a consistent health message to assure everybody that it's safe and it's needed. remember, that we need herd immunity, 80% to 90% need to take the vaccine. so to protect loved ones and elders and our economy. so very fortunate for us to have a system in place to want to take the vaccine, who is not taking it and send the proper message for them to address it. monitor all side effects and make sure to address it so we
know the vaccine works. we have to be on top of all of this by monitoring it. >> neil: doctors, thank you very much. we'll know pretty soon from the cdc exactly how they're going to go about this. the read from the former fda commissioner on the importance of vaccines and overcoming doubts about them. not just political doubts but doubts about the safety and risks after this. veterans who refi now can save three thousand dollars a year. with newday's va streamline refi, there's no income verification, no appraisal and no out of pocket costs. one call can save you $3000 a year. $3000! that's a big deal.
♪ >> neil: we understand right now that that vote advisory is getting pushed back another half hour or so. don't know what the significance of that could be. it's often times very difficult to get people in the same room on a conference call. we will keep you posted on the significance of that. a half-hour delay on deciding who gets the vaccine and when. the cdc set some standards on this sort of stuff. governors can proceed as they see fit. along with the former fda commissioner. commissioner, what do you think, you know, all of this comes at a time, as i would was discussing with the prior guest, people are reluctant about the vaccine period.
it has been criticized for being inconsistent on this, criticized for being at the very beginning against the widespread use. a lot of americans are saying, all right i'm not too keen on doing anything the fda says. what do you tell them question works to, i think, first of all, neil, that the fda has done a really good job of getting us up to this point, working with the people who are developing the vaccine, the companies, the clinical researchers, the tens of thousands of people who participated in these very large clinical trials to get to the point where we are actually within maybe just a couple of weeks of having an effective vaccine available that can help with the really severe health burden that the pandemic is imposing, especially on health care workers, elderly, and other vulnerable populations. and you will see that coming in just a matter of days on december 10th, there will be a
public meeting where the fda is going to review all of this evidence with advisors in public and have a chance to discuss what's really there. based on what we've seen so far, neil, looks like these new vaccines are very effective. we need to make sure that they are safe for widespread use starting with the highest risk groups as just described. but that cannot happen within a couple of weeks. i really encourage people to look at the actual evidence that's coming out so they can make an informed decision about the vaccine. >> neil: i apologize. the notion that they are political pawns, that the fda will do whatever the white house says. can you reassure us that is not the case? >> yeah, the fda staff is committed to doing this right. they have been no significant interference and how to actually pursue this. and neil, it's not just the fda, but independent researchers, manufacturers, clinical experts
are all behind this effort to do it right. >> neil: thank you, sir. former fda commissioner, mark mcclellan. who gets what and when. ♪ >> greg: hi. i'm great gusto with katie, the woman her gets her -- dana perino, the "the five." his musical bear with me because this requires an explanation. you may not know him but he is biggest joke. the time calls him op ed. he claims that biden will be "the first modern president trying to govern in the face of an opposition that refuses to accept his legitimacy." good
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