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tonight. i am praying extra hard for the country and for peace and healing and discernment. we are all americans and need to love each other a lot more. shannon bream is next. >> shannon: this is where we stand tonight. of the senate and house are back in session at this hour, debating the certification of the electoral college vote for each state. we are watching the number of objections. more than 100 congressional republicans are planning to push back on the certification from a number of disputed states, but tonight, in the wake of today's tragic events, many are changing course. amid growing calls to hold them accountable for what happened today, others standing firm in their plans. the district of columbia is under curfew. there is a heavy police presence on the capitol grounds. the national guard is on the scene, as well. a woman has died after being shot inside the capital today.
hundreds of protesters stormed the people's house, sometime after a rally headlined by president trump. he vowed to never concede or give up. the president later releasing a recorded statement asking his supporters to go home in peace. but also continuing to rail against the election, which he said was stolen. the president tonight facing calls to resign or be removed, as we get brand-new images from inside a ransacked capitol building. the president has long deflected questions about whether he was committed to a peaceful transfer of power. and today, new anger across the political spectrum about what some are characterizing as an attempted coup, and it comes after a summer of violent riots, some deadly come across america, sparked first by the death of a black man in the custody of minneapolis police. there's also been an increase in harassment of elected officials, called by their political opponents to go out and do just that. no doubt to make this as a shaken country, and a nation's capital very much on edge and the bitterly divided politics.
tonight's extraordinary events, as democrats take both georgia senate seats, giving them a 50/50 split in the senate, and with vice president-elect kamala harris set to be the tie-breaking vote, so, as of january 20th, democrats will control the house, the senate, and the white house. hello, i do welcome to "fox news @ night." i'm shannon bream in washington. we begin with capitol hill correspondent chad pergram, he has seen all of this play out firsthand today. let's see what is going on tonight. good evening, chad. >> good evening, shannon. as we speak from a house of representatives it's getting very close to wrapping up this roll call vote, voting to certified the electoral votes from arizona. the house of representatives voting right now. there are 12 votes in flake -- excuse me, 11 votes and play from arizona here. right now, we've only been 32 states, so once the house of representatives votes to align here and say, okay, arizona is all right, then the house of representatives takes a break, they bring the senate back over, and they go back into the joint
session of congress with mike pence, the vice president, presiding. then you continue to go down the role. arkansas would be next come alphabetically. we don't expect any problems they are. we are expecting a challenge later tonight to pennsylvania. josh hawley, the republican senator from missouri, who said he would contest this. you need both a house petitioner and a senate petitioner in order to trigger this separate debate in the house and senate over an individual slate of electoral votes from states. keep in mind that this is only the third time that this has ever happened in u.s. history. what happened in 1969 with one elect or from north carolina. what happened in 2005 with ohio's electoral slates, and again today. we are expecting this to go late into the night here. house speaker nancy pelosi took the house for when they came back into session. she said that today was a "shameful assault on our democracy." she said it cannot, however, deter us from our responsibilities, and always knew this responsibility would
take us into the night, and we will stay as long as it takes. we must show the world that we will not be diverted from our duty. know something significant here, you talk about senators perhaps changing their tune, josh hawley says he will continue to object. james lankford, republican of oklahoma, and also steve daines from montana, they said they were for objecting, now they are not. kelly loeffler, who for the time being continues to be a senator, she switched her position, as well. the senate voted earlier to accept arizona's electoral votes. the vote there was 93-6. the six republican senators who voted to block or voted against accepting arizona's slate where ted cruz of texas, josh hawley, who i mentioned earlier, cindy hyde-smith from mississippi, john kennedy from louisiana, roger marshall of kansas, and tommy tuberville, the new senator from alabama. so on the house floor here, we should have a result pretty soon, but right now, there's 123 republicans who have voted to
object to the slate of votes here. 80 republican house members who are saying no, arizona is okay. joining with the democrats. this is going to go down probably with more than 300 votes, just a few votes on the board yet to happen. again, take a break, come back into joint session, house and senate meeting together just like state of the union except the vice president presides. they continue to go alphabetically down the role, and probably we go into another debate, separate debates in the house and senate, when you get to pennsylvania, if there are objections from both a house member and a senate member, which is what we expect, shannon. >> shannon: okay, so chad, let's back up. your cover capitol hill for decades and have seen a lot there. you know the history of the place. tell us about what you saw today of how we should put that into some kind of context. >> we have never seen anything quite like this, at least we have not seen it in a long, long time. the only types of encouragement that i can ever recollect or think about here, you have to go
back to when the british stormed the capitol in 1814 and burned the capitol. they had won the battle of bladensburg in suburban maryland, which is just a few miles outside washington, d.c., and then you have to go back to when you had puerto rican nationalists who came into the house chamber and shot up the chamber. there are still full of holes in some of the furniture up on the third floor. this was a scary scene here, and this is where, you know, the house and senate members tonight, they were afraid that the mob it was going to win. that's why they wanted to come back into session, and even though it's going to take a while to certify the electoral results late tonight, they want to show that the mob wasn't going to win. we had both democratic leaders and republican leaders say, look, we have our duty to get this done tonight. we are not going to be defeated. the other thing, they are going to be serious, deep questions about how this happened. how did the u.s. capitol police not have sufficient security here to stave off, you know, a protest of his nature? you know, i used to talk to one former capital police chief phil
morris, who now works at american university in town, the police chief there, and he said our goal is to always keep the fight outside. there is a perimeter, a balloon, a bubble around the capitol, and we keep the fight outside. they were nowhere near achieving that today, and i've had at least one member of congress call on the firing of the u.s. capitol police chief, asking why there wasn't a better parameter set up. when i first, you know, was coming to the capitol about 1:00 today, i was on independence avenue, and they remembers coming back from the capitol because the capitol police were not even allowing members to get into the building because they were trying to secure the plaza. and i was like, my goodness, if they're not going to allow members and, they're not going to allow me to get in, so i went into the longworth house office building and went through the tunnels, but the problem with securing the building after that as they had protesters everywhere, and they weren't protesters, this was a mob, these were marauders, running through the rotunda, coming in,
house speaker nancy pelosi's office, coming in sitting in the senate chamber, the same seat where mike pence had been presiding just a bit before as president of the centage. this was a breakdown in security that is really astonishing, and this is an ignominious day in u.s. history. >> shannon: yeah, it was stunning to watch this and see just how far they breached come all the way into the inner sanctum onto the floor of the house and the senate. the bad thing for them and the good thing for us is that many of them happily smiled at cameras and their faces are everywhere, and we hope there will be swift accountability. chad, thank you. >> thank you. >> shannon: senior correspondent mike tobin has been tracking of elements on the ground outside the capitol all day, he us live. mike, what is the situation at this hour? we are now well past the curfew that they set tonight. >> well past the curfew and the events of today, we have an estimate from metro police that
some 40-45000 people participated on the chaos after we saw today. largely, the capitol grounds are in control, but somewhere we saw, during the worst of it, i can tell you the southeast entrance of the capitol building. we saw bullets cars on the window, or what appeared to be bullet scars from the southeast side. windows that were broken out. in the capitol, we have pictures now if some of the blood that is on the ground, where ashley babbitt was shot, she is a 14 year air force veteran. she was shot at that location, and i talked with someone who witnessed her shooting. >> i had turned away. i heard the shot, and i can smell the gunpowder. on prior military, i know a live round. she has fallen back on the ground. she was losing with blood. there's blood all over the floor. the two capital cops were
shocked. >> incidentally, i asked the witness why he had rushed inside the capitol, and he said everyone else was doing it. the crowd likely dissipated from the east side and formed up on the west side facing the washington monument, just before 6:00. multiagency force took control over the capitol grounds, and police lined up a soldier to soldier with decisive force they started moving west toward the e washington monument, pushing the crowd off the capitol grounds within an hour, they had the capitol grounds cleared within about two hours they had pushed further west on pennsylvania avenue, where i am now, with the crowd has largely dissipated. few demonstrators remain, but things are quiet here in the west of the capitol, shannon? >> shannon: mike tobin, thank you very much. we are learning more about the woman who died today after being shot in those protests in capitol hill.
correspondent jeff paul has the latest on that for us tonight, good evening, jeff. >> good evening, shannon. the investigation into the shooting is still in its early stages, but here's what we know so far. the family of the woman killed has confirmed her identity as ashley babbitt of san diego. she was reportedly a 14 year veteran with the air force. we also know just the day before the shooting, she sent out this tweet in response to another. "nothing will stop us. they can try and try and try, but the storm is here and it is descending upon d.c. in less than 24 hours. dark to light" beer for the shooting happened after 3:00 p.m. today inside the capitol, as pro-trump supporter stormed the building. there is video that appears to show the incident where it shows a crowd of people inside the capitol yelling. seemingly some confusion and chaos, and then you hear a shot fired off. metropolitan police later confirmed to fox news that the woman who was shot died from her injuries. now a witness who recorded one of the videos that is
circulating told fox news a short time ago, here is how he the scene. >> she hit the ground, that is when i was filming, and i stopped filming, that's why my videos are split in two, because i had to shine a flashlight on her to see if we could stop the bleeding, put hands on the neck to try and stop it, and we just watched her eyes go wide, and there was nothing we could do. >> babbitt's babbitt's mother-in-law also told our local fox affiliate in d.c. that "i really don't know why she decided to do this. what is unclear is specifically where the shooting took place inside the building. shannon? >> shannon: all right, jeff paul for us tonight out west, thank you. minutes after the president told a large crowd of supporters that he will never concede, they marched down pennsylvania avenue. some of them stormed the capitol, and how those events played out, both he and the president-elect weighed in. >> i call on president trump to
go on national television now, to fulfill his oath and defend the constitution, and demand and end to this seizure. >> i know your pain. i know you're hurt. we had an election that was stolen from us. we have to have peace. we have to have blind order. we have to respect our great people in law and order. i know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace. >> shannon: by the way, we are now being told by d.c. police that four people died today. one woman was shot, three others had medical emergencies, let's check in with white house corresponding kevin corke, reporting live on the ground for us tonight in washington. hello, kevin. >> evening, shannon. we are on the east side of the capitol, where things are obviously very quiet on this hour, in sharp contrast to unfortunately what happened inside the building. part of a historic and memorable day here in the nation's
capital, a very sad day that actually began with the president addressing hundreds of thousands of his supporters. >> we will never give up. we will never concede. it doesn't happen. you don't concede when there is theft involved. >> president trump, standing firm in his belief that the election was stolen misspeaking for over an hour to thousands of his most ardent supporters on the ellipse at the same time congress was preparing to certify the 2020 results just down pennsylvania avenue. his own vice president became the target of his fire. >> mike pence, i hope you're going to stand up for the good of our constitution and for the good of our country. and if you're not, i'm going to be very disappointed in you, i will tell you right now. i'm not hearing good stories. >> each house will deliberate separate and deliver back to the joint session. >> and vice president pence did make a rare departure from the
president, writing to members of congress today, it is my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend the constitution constrains me from unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not." anger from trump supporters seemed to reach its boiling point just hours later. some of them storming the u.s. capital, breaking windows, gaining access to the legislative chambers, and lawmakers offices. calls for trump to condemn the violence were quick to follow. as usual, the president took his message to twitter, saying, "these are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously and viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly and unfairly treated for so long. to go home with love and in peace. remember this day forever." even some of the president's closest aides say the response was not enough. former acting chief of staff and
omb director mick mulvaney saying he can stop this now and needs to do exactly that. tell these folks to go home. recently departed communications director alyssa fara called on the president to condemn this now. and shannon, we have just learned tonight that the mayor of washington, d.c., muriel bowser, has now extended lead -- for lack of a better description, the curfew in effect, in the city. i want to make sure, cecelia, you are saying this is going to last, i think 15 days now, right? 15 days. so what i am showing you and what are learning here tonight, the city is really wounded by what has happened here today, and they are trying to do the leadership right now, not just look for answers as to what happened in here, but obviously trying to keep things calm moving forward. shannon? >> shannon: all right, kevin, can you clarify, tonight was set for 6:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. tomorrow, so we are saying those are the hours we think will be in place for d.c. the next 15
days? or do you know about the hours yet? >> yeah, right. here is what we understand, it is 6:00 to 6:00, between now and tomorrow morning. but for the next 15 days, they are going to have restrictions on people being able to gather and to get together here in this city. as you know, this entire city really has a foundation of protest. people love to come here. they want to have their voices heard. weather here at the capitol or right across the street at the supreme court, this is the foundation of washington, d.c., but the mayor is pushing back and saying we are not going to be able to allow that, especially in light of what has happened here today. >> shannon: okay. well, kevin, you and i were on the air many nights this summer covering protests that were closer to the white house, and we know there was a lot of trouble managing the city at that point, too. okay, kevin, thank you. stay safe. >> yeah. >> shannon: so, the house just voting to accept arizona's leftovers. so that state is done.
vice president pence returns. they are going to resume state-by-state roll call. as chad pergram has its claim to us, they go alphabetically. let's bring one of the lawmakers who has been there, chairman of the republican
study committee, indiana congressman jim banks. congressman, good to have you back with us. >> good to be with you. >> shannon: okay, first of all, i want to start with the growing calls tonight, a number of members of congress, as far as i have seen, just democrats so far, but now a letter is circulating, there are tweets out there that call for invoking the 25th amendment to make sure that president trump leaves office before january 20th. what is your reaction to those calls tonight? >> yeah, well, shannon, what happened today was gut wrenching for so many of us, and let me say this from the outset that debate that occurred on the floor of the house today was robust, it was healthy. it was interrupted by thugs who stormed the capitol. nothing that happened in the debate incited the violence that occurred in our nation's capital
today. to pin that blame on the president or on republicans who were motivating this debate and wanted to have this debate about the security and integrity of our elections is beyond the pale. so-called or invoking
the 25th amendment or blaming one element of one party or another is something that we should avoid at a time like this. >> shannon: okay, i know that you had been publicly saying that he would object to some of the electors for one or more of the states being considered tonight. a number of your republican colleagues were in the same position said actual happened today they could no longer do that it is time to heal the nation bring it together. what is your position tonight? speak we just vote on the state of arizona, shannon, and i did vote to object to the elect orders for the state of arizona. the rumor on the floor of the house right now is it is likely that pennsylvania will be the only other state that is objected to, that senator josh hawley will continue forward with his objection for pennsylvania, but
most of the senators who objected to other states have backed off of their objections. this is an important debate. what happened today was despicable, with the thugs who stormed of the capitol, the violence that occurred, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't have this debate. in fact, the hundreds of thousands of americans, including hundreds of hoosiers that came from my district, to make their voices heard peacefully, in our nation's capital today, we should hear them. we should listen to them. and we should have this debate, to make sure that we move forward to restore the trust and integrity of our elections. in fact, tomorrow, shannon, i will be introducing a major piece of legislation that is resolved around a number of the notions that are being raised in these debates and stopping ballot harvesting and all mail-in ballots and related to some of the voter registration issues requiring states to match their voter rolls with social security databases. that is the debate i hope will occur moving forward, the debate
we are having today is a very important one, and we shouldn't push it or brush it aside and let those thugs win the day by not having an important debate that the american people demand that we have. >> shannon: you talked about a number of election law and whether you are going to call guidelines, beefing it up, things that there has been a great deal of frustration for people that supported the president and voted for him. they want to see those things get done. they will be watching to see if any of those things get done. to give them more confidence in the election and transparency. i think that if something people across the political spectrum want for americans to have confidence in their elections. you have prime minister boris johnson tweeting this outcome "disgraceful scenes in u.s. to congress. there should be a peaceful and orderly transfer of power. tell us how you and your staff are doing tonight. did you ever think you would experience something like this at the u.s. capitol? speak obviously, never could i
have imagined the scenes that i saw unfold today. we are on the top floor of the middle office building on capitol hill, the longworth office building, so we have a balcony that overlooks the capitol, and we spent a good part of the day watching the events unfold outside. again, let me say, shannon, 99.9% of those who arrived in washington, d.c., today came with good intentions. but they demanded that their voices be heard and felt like their voices weren't heard. they felt like their votes didn't matter on election day. they came to our nation's capital, the best of intentions, and their voice was hijacked today by thugs who illegally breached the capitol and stormed into the capitol, and we should use every law enforcement tool we have come from facial recognition tools to all of the photos that are floating around the internet and identify who these thugs are and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law, to hold them accountable for the violence they caused, but also for holding up our democratic process. i hope in the days to come, that
will happen, and our law enforcement community will have all the tools necessary to do that, but never in my life that i've imagined -- he does remind me, shannon, i served in afghanistan. while i was there, i remember the tile event will of their parliament in afghanistan why was there, and those tactics don't belong in united s of america, and we should do everything we can to make sure that what happened today never happens again. >> you make a very important point that we made many thai news last summer, that you got to separate the bad actors from the people who are there, looking for justice. thank you for pointing that out again. good to see you, congressman. >> thank you. >> shannon: for some perspective not on what the situation on capitol hill looks like on the front lines, they want to bring enteric a young journalist, townhall.com senior writer julio rojas, and lisa bennington. welcome to you both.
we've got some video we're going to use, julio, i think from your twitter feed of what you saw on the ground. julio, you've been on coto person many times for being on the front lines in places like portland and seattle. what do you make of this in our nation's capital today? >> this is something i've never really seen before. i've been in the d.c. area since 2017 and i have covered many protests. i never once thought i would see people storming the capitol like we saw today. and really, looking at the video that other people took, as well, it really did seem the capitol police were not prepared enough to prevent people from storming in. and i think, like i said, this might have to do with the fact that no other types of protests or riots had ever breached the complex before. >> shannon: yeah, and we are going to talk a little bit later about whether capitol hill police, who i've seen cover and handle many of these things, whether they were caught
off guard in some today, because there had been peaceful protests the past by various groups, and maybe this one was underestimated. brad parscale, who was with the trump campaign, a key member, tweeted this as i was playing outcome "this is not maga, we are not antifa and the left, we should do this the correct way, leave the capitol and stop, the world is laughing at us. live to fight in elections in the future, save this country by growing our base and winning elections." lisa, was there a sense among the people you saw today that they worried about their message being hijacked by the more violent members are those who intended to do harm, versus those who just wanted to come here and make their voices heard in a peaceful protest? >> from the people i talked to, it definitely seems like were mixed messages coming through. some might have been there for a peaceful protest. one man, an individual i talked to, only 20 minutes before the chaos really ensued and people stormed the capitol building, said that he really wanted to get into the capitol building,
and one of the barriers would be broken down. >> shannon: okay, so there were definitely some bad actors, and we know -- we are going to talk about that later in the show, too, they were planning this openly on the internet. these are not hidden, you know, whatsapp and signal chat. there were some of that, i'm sure, but others were openly saying this is their plan and this is what they are going to do. mayor muriel bowser, d.c. mayor, said two police officers have been hospitalized, 52 arrest, d.c. police tell us oracle people dead, and three others who had medical emergencies who died, as well. julio, have you ever covered anything like this before? >> in terms of just the scale, the only thing i can compare this to his mind the third precinct of minneapolis was set on fire and abandoned after rioters breached the perimeter. but of course, this is the united states capitol building. short of the white house, you can't really -- you really can't top that, so this was certainly,
definitely unique, and i've lived in -- like i said, lived in the d.c. area since 2017 and i've only been in the capitol once, and this was my second time, to cover what was happening, and i just never thought i would see something like this happen. >> shannon: lisa, just talking about misstatement from boris johnson and others outside of the country who are looking at the u.s., and this is so foreign to them that we would operate this way. what was your feeling, being in the middle of this today? >> yeah, i mean, it really was surprising to me, and getting -- what's the crowd had gotten to the capitol, watching so many take a crowbar and smashed the windows and let people in, and people storming in and out, and tear grass and pepper spray and flash grenades, it was really something i had never seen before and didn't expect. >> shannon: so, julio, we are told again, 52 arrest today, a
lot more people than 52 that part of these rallies, and part of what happened the capitol. there were some who are raising questions about why more people want taken into custody. what is your sense, having been there, was there just an overwhelming number? was there not the law enforcement personnel able to take all of them? or, you know, what do you make of the situation? did you expect the numbers to be higher? >> yeah, i think that is definitely part of it. like i said, i was in the rotunda, so part of the problem was that as the police were pushing people back, rioters were obviously fighting back, and so, it was just a mass of people, and as i told tucker earlier, it became very dangerous because people were being trampled on, and i was trampled on a few times, and it became very, very hard to breathe because we couldn't move. we were smashed up against each other. and so, i think what ultimately they decided to do was try and push everyone out and sort
everything out later just because it was very, very hard for them to even take back the rotunda, you know, that's a very popular tourist attraction the there, and it's very easily accessible, as we found out, from the outside. >> shannon: yeah. not normally on a normal day. julio and lisa, thank you for your coverage, in-depth, and we are glad you're both safe. >> thank you. >> shannon: at the end of a long day unlike any other in our nation's history, members of congress are back to the business of working through those electoral college votes from each state. bring in tonight's panel to try to analyze what we have witnessed. former supervisory special agent to the secret service charles moreno, the host of "the next revolution," steve hilton, and former deputy assistant attorney general john you come it also fox news contributor guy benson. welcome to all of you, gentlem gentlemen. >> hey, shannon. >> hi, shannon. >> shannon: the headline, "the
rioters who took over the cattle have been planning online in the open for weeks." they go on to say law enforcement, however, appeared unprepared for the scale of the violence on wednesday. capitol police were quickly overwhelmed, dramatically outnumbered. charles, what do you make of the law enforcement, what we saw today? >> thanks, shannon. this was shocking. today we saw a real national security failure, and it ultimately played out where we saw a real threat to the continuity of government. let's remember all the key players that we had in one location during this vote. the vice president of the united states, speaker of the house, majority and minority leaders, and others. so this really was, could have negatively impacted our continuity of government and really caused an inability of the u.s. government to function correctly. we saw a collapse of a security plan, the outer, middle, and ultimately the inner parameters. we saw them collapsed and the protesters make their way
inside, very deep into the capitol area, to the point were capital police had to evacuate all of the members, the secret service had to evacuate the vice president of the united states. this is something they should have been prepared for, and to the capitol police, for them to go at this alone, proved to be too much. >> shannon: john, are you surprised at all, some of these people were so bold, posting pictures or grinning for photos where they are in people's offices and clearly have breached, you know, places they should not be in the capitol, and some of them very destructive in nature to get there. kind of legal trouble could these folks be facing tonight? >> first, there is, of course, an area for a peaceful protest and exercising their free speech rights, but they do not have a right to use violence. they don't have a right to assault federal officers, members of our government. this is actually why we have a written constitution, so we do
not have mob violence, we don't have a peaceful transfer of power by riots. so these people were in violation of federal law. i think the law enforcement can use facial recognition, they can use pictures and videos, and they should go out and make an arrest people for committing violence on federal property. they are in very serious trouble, and i hope the government and law enforcement pursue all of the people -- whether they are antifa or trump supporters, whoever they are, regardless of their ideological -- pursue them to the fullest extent of the law, to put a stop to this. >> shannon: yeah, and there seems to be pretty much a unison voice about that tonight, regardless of party. so, twitter has gotten involved. they have taken down a video from the president saying this. "it's an emergency situation. we are taking appropriate urgency rides measures, including removing present terms video. we were removed it because we think it continues to rather than diminishes the risk of ongoing violence." and steve, i think he is under a twitter suspension that could turn into a permanent ban.
this has been a primary means of communication for him, and there have been cries of censorship on social media for conservatives, but what do you make of this decision, which they say is emergency-based and they felt like it was danger of inciting further violence? >> well, it's completely ridiculous. the video they're talking about was literally one of the present was actually saying go home and go in peace and so on. so the opposite of what they say. what it really adds to is a history from twitter and the other tech companies developed over the past few months of totally random and arbitrary decisions, not based on any kind of principle, but really reacting to pressure from the people that they support politically, and i think in that sense, it is incredibly unhelpful -- what we all need to do in this situation, horrible scenes of violence and disorder, that everyone should totally condemn. what we need to do is lower the temperature, get back to it politics and government should be all about, which is policies
that help improve people's lives, have a civilized conversation, and have an open conversation where everyone can participate. the tech companies to start waiting in and censoring people, including someone, whether you like it or not, the president, is completely unhelpful. it will actually be an inflammatory move. i think this is going to make things worse, not better. it will achieve the direct opposite of what they claim to be seeking. >> shannon: youtube and facebook have taken similar actions tonight with regard to the president's statements and postings. but right now, as we are having this conversation, the senate and house are back in business, going through the electoral college votes for each state, holding their votes. guy, how important you think it was for them to get back on capitol hill tonight? >> extremely. right, when this type of thuggery takes place, that strikes at the heart of the constitutional process of the peaceful transfer of power.
this was clearly designed to intimidate and disrupt. that cannot be allowed to stand. so the fact that on a bipartisan basis, the leaders of both chambers got together and said "come hell or high water, law enforcement is going to do their job and clear this place," which they finally did come "we are going to come back and we are going to complete this task." and i think that doing anything else, even with a slight delay or pushing it off to tomorrow, would have sent exactly the wrong message, and i think coming back, unified, and saying we are not going to be cowed, we're not going to be believed, let's get back to work, as the vice president said, was precisely what they had to do. >> shannon: guy, and guy, sorry to interrupt, but the vice president is heading back to the chamber so that he can pick up where they left off with, again, electoral votes from each state. they go through l alphabetically. when there are objections that include a house member and senator, they break off to different chambers, the house and senate, to consider objections and then vote for
what looks like senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is back there, as well, so we see vice president pence there, presiding over where we will go next. again, we have been going alphabetically through these dates. we are told to expect objections to pennsylvania, potentially other states, as well. do we want to listen in for a minute here, see if they are getting procedurally back where they want to go. is chad pergram with us? chad, do we know -- they just have a vote on arizona. with a pickup from that point? do they get past arizona? i know arizona is done, but i'm not sure if we got anywhere out of the letter a yet. >> they certified three states. the next is arkansas, then colorado, connecticut, and so what happens now, when they do lease certification, they meet in a joint session of congress, very similar to the state of union. in fact, the only capacity would have a joint session of congress, not a joint meeting of congress, a joint session of congress, is when they certify
the electoral vote, and when you have state of the union. that is why vice president mike pence is presiding in his capacity as president of the senate come along side house speaker nancy pelosi. keep in mind, though, that the reason mike pence has a little more latitude here, and i use that word very specifically, is because the 12th amendment to the constitution indicates that he is the one that runs the show. he opened the envelope's, the certificates of election, and reads of the total. and it says in the 12th amendment, whoever has the most electoral votes shall -- that is the exact verbiage in the 12th amendment to the constitution -- shall be president. very soon they will start, they will pick up. again, as i said, with arkansas, no challenge there. we thought there might be a challenge to georgia. that doesn't seem to be in play at this stage, so they would probably eventually get down to pennsylvania, and josh hawley, republican senator from missouri, indicates he will object. you need turtle petitions, one from the house and one from the senate, to trigger the double
barrel debate. the house will stay where it is, have a lapse of a joint session to be suspended, for up to two hours, they will debate in the house and senate, pennsylvania slate of electors. each senator whitehouse member can only speak for up to 5 minutes during that two hour window, then you have to vote on pennsylvania. that's why we could be here deep into the night. >> shannon: chad pergram, we know you're going to be with us. stick around. i think we have congressman andy biggs, republican out of arizona. if you are there, congressman, can you let us know when you are feeling tonight as arizona is now over and done with? you have objected, and do you plan to continue to with other states? >> i signed on to objections in a number of states, shannon. but i think chad is correct, as far as i can tell, you might have one state that has a
senator and then there would be debate enough, but otherwise, you will hear objections registered by dozens of republican members of the house, but they won't be matched with senators. >> shannon: so what do you make of those who have changed their minds tonight and said after the events of today, they had planned to object, they will not anymore. senator kelly loeffler is among those, but there are others out there in the senate, who have said as much, that it is time to get together until the country. what do you say in response to that come about why you plan to continue to object? >> what happened today cannot be condemned strongly enough. that type of violence, there needs to be prosecutions, and there needs to be convictions. we can't tolerate that type of conduct and intent to, quite frankly, hijacked the government. but at the same token, we still have a constitutional obligation
of duty, if we feel that way, to weigh in on this. that is the process that we have established. and if you believe that, that there was constitutional improprieties or distortions in the constitution, or anomalies, or things that should not have been done in the election, you have a duty to go ahead and raise the objection. >> shannon: congressman, if we can -- if you can stick with us just for a second, we are going to listen into the vice president here. >> in the senate of the united states, ordered that the senate by a vote of six eyes to 93 maze rejects the objection to the electoral votes cast in the state of arizona for joseph r. biden for president and, d harris for vice president. >> vice president pence: the clerk of the house will report house. >> ordered.
the house of representatives reject the objections to the electoral vote of the state of arizona. >> vice president pence: pursuant to the law, chapter one of title iii of the united states code, because the two houses have not sustained the objection, the original certificate submitted by the state of arizona will be counted as provided therein. the tailors will now announce the vote of the state of arkansas for president and vice president in accordance with the action of the two houses. this certificate from arkansas, the parliamentarians advise me, is the only certificate of vote from the state that purports to be returned from the state. that is annexed to a certificate from authority of the state, purporting to appoint or ascertain electors. >> mr. president, the certificate of the electoral vote of the state of arkansas
seems to be in regular -- seems to be regular in form and authentic. and it appears there from that donald j. trump of the state of florida receives six votes for president, and michael r pentz of the state of indiana, receives six votes for vice president. >> vice president pence: are there any objections to counting the certificate of vote of the state of arkansas... >> shannon: okay, you've been listening in, they are going to work through the states alphabetically, having just gone through the challenges to arizona's electoral college votes, having settled that, the objection does not stand, so those votes have been entered. let's go back to arizona, congressman andy biggs. giver staying with us. congressman, i know you are starting to talk about today and saying it's got to be condemned at every level. what was the experience like for you? were you surprised that what was supposed to be a rally and a call for transparency devolved into something where there were those who clearly had intended
and planned harm? >> no, i was very surprised, to be honest with you, shannon. we are right in the middle of debate, and i was listening to the debate intently because i was kind of working the state because i am from arizona, very closely, and when we heard, you know, the commotion and it seemed to be far off and kept getting closer, then you hear some bangs, they say there is teargas, and so get your gas mask, well, this is really not -- and i was still focused on what was going to happen next in the debate, so it is very, you know, very unsettling, of course, but i think we were all disappointed that it devolved into something that was violent, and actually distracted -- i don't know what these people thought was going to happen. whoever was coming, did they think they were really going to stop the count of the electors? were they going to stop the debate?
what could they possibly have been thinking? it's unfortunate that some of them may have thought, well, we are going to overthrow the government or whatnot, but the bottom line is, i'm glad you're back in business tonight, doing what we are supposed to be doing. >> shannon: yeah, how important was it for you to get back there and be joined by members of the senate and the house, to continue this business? >> i think it's really critical. you know, we are a constitutional republic, so we represent people, and we have to show the people that we are going to keep doing the business, and we will not be derailed by people who want to violently undermine what we are doing, which is the work of the house. whether we agree with it or not, like the outcomes are not, we are a nation of laws, and so, i think it's just critical, absolutely critical, to get back in and go through this tonight, and we may have another debate for a couple of hours, and that is important, too.
some of the rhetoric i heard, even post-event, from my colleagues across the aisle, was still rather personally derogatory toward those of us who believe that not only the u.s. code that mike pence is operating under, two counties votes, also allows us to challenge the election for various reasons. and so, i'm hoping we can get over that divide at some point, but it may be a long time coming. >> shannon: well, we will watch through the night as you will continue your business. glad you and your staff are safe. thanks for joining us, congressman. >> thank you shannon. appreciate it. >> shannon: at the same time the u.s. capitol will storm today, a group of georgia militia members alarmed officials when they gathered around the state grounds, state capitol grounds there. correspondent steve harrigan is reporting to might come alive from atlanta on that. good evening steve. >> good evening, shannon.
the georgia secretary of state, the man in charge of the elections here, was evacuated from his office today over security concerns. that office was later closed. also, security around the capitol was beefed up, as well. the governor of georgia, brian kemp, has extended his ability to deploy the national guard. he said he condemned the violence in washington, d.c., and said that same violence would not be repeated in georg georgia. >> it is unimaginable that we have people in our state and our country that have been threatening police officers, breaking in to government buildings. this is not the georgia way, and it is not the way of our count country. >> tensions have been high in georgia. two bitter runoff races for control of the senate, now two democrats projected to enact those races, and really historic contests. 33-year-old jon ossoff, a man who has never held elected
office, is projected to win him and his fellow democrat, reverend raphael warnock, a man who reflected on his own personal history during much of the campaign, he is the 11th of 12 children, and grew up in public housing. >> we were told that we couldn't win this election. but tonight, we prove that with hope, hard work, and the people by our side, anything is possible. may my story be an inspiration to some young person who is trying to grasp and grab hold of the american dream. >> the democrats credit the ground game for their wins, turned out more than 3 million people in the early voting. shannon, back to you. >> shannon: steve harrigan in atlanta. thank you so much. okay, let's check in with chad pergram. they are talking about georgia now on the hill, and chad, that
is one of the states we thought there might be some objections. what can you tell us? >> amy klobuchar from the democratic senator from minnesota, who is the top democrat on the rules committee, that kind of runs in the senate side of the capitol, she is going through right now the other states right now, they are getting to georgia. she just announced that all 16 electoral votes went to georgia. this is jody hice, republican of georgia, and he is going to make an objection on the georgia slate of electors right now, and we will see if there is a copetitioner from the senate. if you do have somebody else from the senate, then you break off, and they have to debate separately. the house and the senate. on the georgia slate of electors. so let's see here, this is happening live, if there is a copetitioner to join congressman hice from georgia. we should know momentarily. >> setting the stage for an unprecedented amount of fraud and irregularities, and i have signed the objection myself.
>> vice president pence: section 16 and 17 of title iii of the united states code that require that any objection be presented in writing and signed by a member of the house of representatives and a senator. is the objection in writing and signed by a member and a senat senator? >> mr. president, prior to the actions and events of today, along the events of today, it appears that some senators have withdrawn their objection. [applause] >> that is a significant development right there. you heard that some of these senators, you know, were prepared to join and have a debate here, but because of the mayhem at the capitol, they did not sign on. so, what will happen now, georgia is done. the 16 electoral votes from georgia go to joe biden. they will continue alphabetically down the role, and then what will happen, they get to pennsylvania, and is where josh hawley says he will
weigh in and he will be the son of petitioner and presumably they will have a house petitioner. that is when they will be since evan did again and have debate separately in the house and senate over pennsylvania. so it could be the case that we only have two states that are being challenged here. arizona and pennsylvania. there was a point where we thought he might have as many as six. nevada, wisconsin, michigan, we talked about georgia a second ago. so this does shorten things up a little bit, but we probably have a couple hours of debate. plus votes in both the house and senate to certify that state. and then you get to the end of the process. this is the final stage before inauguration day on januar january 20th. they reconvene the joint session of congress with mike pence. he reads the vote total, the electoral vote total, and under the 12th amendment, the languages the one with the most votes shall be president. it is done, at that stage, shannon. >> shannon: okay.
you are used to working around the clock. we count on you, chad, and today has been a busy, crazy day. we know this is no different for you. we will check back in as this continues to play out. thank you, chad. >> absolutely. >> shannon: for now, republican congressman from colorado ted buck. congressman, i understand you do not plan to object going into these electoral votes being counted today. what do you make of the fact that it seems like it very much scaled-back operation, based on the events of what happened today? >> it started out as a fool's errand, and it is now pretty much a done deal. my understanding is there will be an objection to pennsylvania. the debate will be more truncated than it has been for arizona, but the result will be the same. overwhelming numbers in the senate and in the house will vote to accept the electors, and we will move forward to an announcement that joe biden is
the president-elect. >> shannon: so what do you say to those who will point to the fact that the constitution says that it is state legislatures who are to set election laws, and in a number of states, this was a very strange year because the pandemic and other issues that came up, a number of these states didn't follow that path. it was a court or an elected official or someone else who made changes to the state election laws, so for these objectors, they say, we don't think these states handled the selection of their electors properly, and they cite it to be unconstitutional, and they say t at this point, so that is why they are taking this route. >> shannon, the law is really clear. if a secretary of state enters an order that the legislature entered, the time and place for that objection is before the election occurs. you can't wait for an election to occur, and then go back and try to pick the states that you could win and say, well, this
was mishandled in this way. you have to file an immediate injunction and stop the process before the election occurs. what we are doing today is covered by the 12th amendment. it is a very simple process. and we will find that the votes have been counted, and that is all that we are supposed to do, and that is all we are authorized to do in this proce process. >> shannon: well, i know there were some pre-election challenges in some states. i know pennsylvania is one of those, and that may be why they are going try that avenue. when you get to pennsylvania tonight, we will watch as this plays out. we thank you for your time, and think on that you are safe, sir. >> thank you. >> shannon: let's bring back to matt's panel to analyze what we have been witnessing. former supervisor special agent for the secret service charles marino, most of the next revolution steve hilton, former deputy assistant attorney general john yoo and
fox news contributor to guy benson. guy, i will start with you because we had to cut you off in the middle of your last answer. we talked a lot about getting back to business as usual. tonight, you heard what congressman buck just said, that this is a fool's errand, but for a lot of folks, both in the house and senate, they say they have a legitimate constitutional duty that these electors were not chosen properly, per the u.s. constitution. they feel if they have legitimate objections, and they are going to continue to play them out tonight. we think again with pennsylvani. >> yeah, at least in pennsylvania. i think i am large with the congressman just said is correct about congress' role here. senator mike lee from utah gave a good, so synced speech on this on the floor in the senate just a few hours ago. when we get around to pennsylvania, which seems like it might be the one and only remaining challenge that might be lodged and then make it into both chambers for debate, i would encourage people to go back. they can find it on youtube, it just happened a short while ago.
senator pat toomey, republican of pennsylvania, used his time on the floor tonight to really delve into a number of the allegations being made about supposed of irregularities in that state, and he systematically and thoroughly debunked them, and i think listening to senator toomey explained that it is for a lot of people who may be concerned about elements of this process. >> shannon: steve, i want to bring you back in here, too, because i know in reading some of your notes and thoughts of what has gone on with the trump administration, you say he has been a different leader because he may people change the way that they think. it wasn't just about a policy or a personality, it was more broad than that. so what do you think will be his impact moving forward? a lot of folks today thought they wanted to see more quick and you know just unwavering calls from him for these protesters to get out of the capitol. what is his role moving forward? >> well, i think, shannon, that is one of the things that are so frustrating about what we've seen today, it's completely
unacceptable way to handle clinical disputes with hs kind of violence and disorder, obliterate what should have been a positive. of course disappointing to trump supporters, the resulting november, but there is a positive aspect to this, both in terms of politics and policy. in terms of politics, what actually happened in that election was not the president expanded the republican coalition. people were talking about the new, multiracial, working-class coalition that he has built, in terms of more support from black voters, latino voters, and from working-class people. no one is talking about that anymore, but that is and should be a positive lasting legacy. in terms of policy and ideas, one thing i have said very often is that real power in politics comes not from the office you hold, because everyone loses that eventually, not even
necessarily because of the policies you implement, because they can be reversed. you change the climate of opinion, the intellectual framework with which politics is discussed, and donald trump will be the last person anyone would think of as an intellectual, and he would probably hate to label himself, but actually, if you look at the change in the consensus, in terms of issues like trade and immigration, standing up to china, america's role in the world, these are big ships that we have not seen for many, many years, and i think they will be lasting within the republican party. to a certain extent come across the border come if you look at how joe biden is talking about china, very different from what we saw even four years ago, so there is a positive aspect to this presidency, and the really frustrating thing is the kind of stunt and performance and things we've seen today just really block all that out. >> shannon: charles, having been a member of the secret service and special supervisory agent, what can we learn from today?
about this not being repeated by any group? >> yeah, it's a good question. i think it is a matter of overall intelligence, right? simply putting two and two together. earlier today, we had a very large rally that focused on the validity of the election. you have a visit by the president, which often shows support for that belief, and of the same time, at the other end of constitution, we have a vote on the very election to certify the election, so at some point in time, as a law enforcement agency, you have to put two and two together and say listen, there might be a problem here later after this rally gets out, and that is in fact what we saw. now everything will go smoothly here because all additional law enforcement agencies have shown up to support the capitol police, but in hindsight, with as many federal agencies that we have in d.c., greater coordination and cooperation, to acquit the metropolitan d.c. police before the significant events take place. it can usually be done.
they are used to working with one another, but they really need to pay attention to the numbers that are gathering, what the issues are, and then the events that are taking place at places like the capitol. >> shannon: all right, panel, we want you to stick around. john, let me get a quick final thought from you before we start another hour of coverage. >> i think it's a great thing that congress has come back into session and resumed the electoral vote count. fairly sometimes the constitutional ceremonies are just ceremonies, but in this case, it's a reaffirmation that we have self-government. we are going to have a peaceful transfer of power, and no number of rioters are going to be able to stop the constitution from moving forward and rejecting the idea of mob violence. >> shannon: okay, panel, stick around. we have much more to discuss with you as we continue our coverage tonight. we are going to take you to an extra hour of "fox news @ night" because, as you can see, the senate and house are still very much active tonight. they are considering the electoral votes. this is what they started out
this morning doing vice president pence, presiding there in the senate. they were derailed because of the events today. so now, we are going to take a quick pause and check back in with them as we begin another hour of extended coverage of "fox news @ night." >> vice president pence: in that case, the objection cannot be entertained. [applause] >> shannon: and it appears another state has made it through the electoral vote contest. you know the objection takes somebody from the house and the senate. that did not occur. any number of states, electoral votes are being entered. vice president mike pence, who is presiding over this as they work through alphabetically, we think the next day they will get to his pennsylvania. welcome back to "fox news @ night"'s extended coverage of everything that took place today. on an unbelievable day here in the capitol city, plus the debate and the vote still going on at this hour. we're going to begin with some breaking news, house and senate