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paul: yesterday's verdict in the state criminal trial does not address potentially systemic policing issues in minneapolis. today, i am announcing that the justice department has opened a civil investigation to determine whether the minneapolis police department engages in a pattern or practice of unconstitutional or unlawful policing. paul: welcome to "journal editorial report". imt 11. attorney general announcing a justice department probe into the entire any apples police department just one day after
officer the murder trial george floyd. and then returning to the increase federal oversight of police seen during the obama presidency with two dozen such probes let's bring in the deputy director for legal policy at the manhattan institute. welcome. good to have you again. those that don't understand this investigation explain how this works. >> that pattern and practice investigations are launched in departments where there is statistical disparities along racial lines as we saw under president obama doj. not an investigation based on corroborated evidence of
specific wrongdoing. but rather the idea statistical disparities reveal some kind of pattern of which you could infer systemic racism and unconstitutional practices which i think is a misguided approach not just because of the fact it doesn't relate to any evidence of systemic wrongdoing but it seems to be associated with violent crime in the jurisdictions where the investigations are launched in the wake of a viral incident as in the case with george floyd. this was studied by a harvard economist just last year and under president obama there were five cities in which the patterns and practice was
associated with significant increases with serious violent crime. 34000 additional felonies over to you. primarily because the powder practice investigations seem to cause a pullback . i think that's partly because what these investigations signal to police officers that the doj is coming for everyone. there out to find wrongdoing and will find that no matter what. paul: the alternative argument would be if you have significant wrongdoing and the inability of the departments to discipline their officers , then you need that federal intervention and you will end up with better policing practices. if you look at the obama administration probe have we seen any evidence police practice has improved quick. >> not to my knowledge at all. one of the best indicators is look at the rhetorical posture
of this debate today. it doesn't reflect any recognition policing practices have improved despite it launched many of these investigations with departments across the country. there is no real impact in terms of police outcome but that those that usually follow them are calculated to keep crime under control that is the rhetorical posture right now but it is so heavily focused on reform that they lost sight of their duty to the american public to provide for american safety. >> you saw that over the last year you saw that in minneapolis. so what do you do about police departments like an officer like teethree before the
george floyd incident he did not have a stellar track record personally but a lot of people think an officer like that should not be on the force. what do you do to eat out people who are abusers of their authority? >> there are a couple of things you have to invest more management authority and police executives and limit the power the police are wielding over discipline. it is a complicated issue because start on - - part of the reason the premium is placed on these protections that protect good and bad officers that it is not a particularly high-paying job. there is something to be said looking into the effort to boost police pay in exchange for more discretion with executives coming to officer
discipline i don't think it has helped at all when bad officers are allowed to remain on the job. paul: is there any gold standard you could point to that does this very well? >> it would be hard to say. have to dig into the data. by a large on the whole for those that is the case for a very long time. part of that is because the nypd has cachet with high quality candidates that's the biggest risk to public safety even before the pandemic crime rise we saw police department struggling with recruitment and retention. the toxic narrative taking hold only make it worse. we saw that in 2020 officers retiring at a much higher rate. you will get better outcomes if more candidates are not willing to choose the career path of policing. paul: thank you teefive.
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>> george floyd was murdered almost one year ago. meaningful police reform legislation. legislation to tackle systemic disk on - - misconduct and police departments with law enforcement and the people they are trusted to serve and protect. it shouldn't take a whole year to get this done. paul: president biden calling on congress to pass legislation in the wake of the chauvin verdict.
now it has twice pass the house but legislation stalled in the senate last year after democrats filibustered a bipartisan bill by republicans scott from south carolina. how likely is a deal this time? let's bring in the panel wall street journal columnist, columnist and editorial page writer. you have been looking at this legislation in the house, what does it attempt to accomplish? is it a good idea? >> the house bill passed in march by the democrats has sweeping reforms for legal - - please reforms with the national database reporting police actions like traffic stops. they also want to ban chokehold and then also provisions that would and qualified immunity which is what protects officers from civil liability for those actions are taken the line of duty. paul: a qualified immunity is the difference between the house bill and tim scottsville
explain what he would do instead? >> he said qualified immunity is a red line for him. talking to police advocates they don't want their guys going on to the street with a threat to be sued for those actions they are taking for public defense. so scott once it to make it possible to sue the department if an officer acted out of line but not individual officers to face legal liability. paul: there is a distinction in the bill about what kind of data the bill would mandate the justice department collected on local policing. explain the breakdown along racial and gender lines. >> exactly. that's another difference between the two bills. the democrats want and you national database to include
race and gender of all subjects of policing actions which would mean they could look for discrepancies. we know there tends to be disproportionate numbers of interactions in minority communities because many are chaim on - - high crime that democrats are convinced any discrepancy how whites and blacks are treated is racism and they want to use that trend to justify those investigations like we saw was opened this week. paul: is that a good idea mene ukueberuwa? >> no i don't. think it is very clear they are convinced before hand the police department is going out of line and being too aggressive with policing in the minority communities. they already have a narrative. they want to collect the fact that would establish a pattern to give them the justification
to curtail policing actions which is the wrong direction to go in this crime wave we have been experiencing in the past year. paul: kim looking at the prospects so as opposed to last year that there will be a deal? unless they break the filibuster they need republican votes to pass this in the senate. >> give scott some predicate - - credit because the democrats blocking the bill was a slap in the face. we could've had this a long time ago if democrats did not block it. he continues to work with them. right now he is working with a member in the house one of the members of the house legislation and new jersey senator booker. they are thinking of ways to come to accommodation with the last remaining provision.
and just as senator scott suggested, they could come to an agreement in the next week or two. it still brings along both sides of the party. but this is in the wake of the trial to have a prospect to get over the finish line. paul: talk about president biden's intervention in the derek chauvin trial before the verdict was even out, he said he thought the evidence was overwhelming. can you recall whenever president intervened so directly when a jury was deliberating about the results of the trial? >> no. i cannot, paul. but it seems to be the president instinct to do this sort of thing. we had the incident days later when a 16 -year-old was shot dead in columbus ohio trying to plunge a knife into two other young women.
the white house regarded this as an example of police abuse that raises a very interesting question what exactly are the democrats in the left attempting to do? they are focusing on these individual incidents between the police and individuals sometimes resulting in the death of those individuals. but as mene ukueberuwa was pointing out, there are 182 homicides in chicago. one hundred in new york and los angeles. the homicides were not committed by the police young males with guns shooting people in their neighborhoods. it's not clear whether what we're talking about is taking steps to reduce that kind of crime or if it is simply about
the police and their relationship with people on the street. that lack of clarity has the public very confused about what we are trying to achieve in the midst of these incidents. paul: when we come back president biden will rule out with another round of tax increases to pay for it. we will look at what it means for the economic recovery. next. ase! wait, this isn't a hot-dog stand? no, can't you see the sign? wet. teddy. bears. get ya' wet teddy bears! one-hundred percent wet, guaranteed! or the next one is on me! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
of the tax-and-spend agenda. the american family plan will focus on policies including paid family leave, childcare and free community college all paid for by more tax increases. the president considering rating the top income tax rate to the pre- 2017 level of 39.6 percent. and doubling taxes on capital gains. senator portman joins me now. good to have you here. your reputation for bipartisanship came up pretty strongly with the president's infrastructure proposal. what specifically don't you like about it? >> it is not infrastructure. only 20 percent is about infrastructure even if you death line it including broadband or water infrastructure or transit. to pay for it he is using tax increases which make no sense. infrastructure should help the economy but the university of pennsylvania study on the plan that says actually what will happen it will lower gdp and reduced jobs because of the tax increases.
it gives one hand and takes the other makes no sense. and about 25 percent of the plan is a paid for at all. corporate tax increases seem like the progressives would like to do but it's really bad for the economy and workers. nonpartisan cbo has been telling us for some time if you raise corporate income tax it comes out of workers pockets. wages are 70 percent of wages and benefits. the rest is passed to consumers and the shareholders. this is a bad idea my hope they will limit this to real infrastructure and come up with more reasonable options. paul: there is the argument of the tax reform of 2017 encourage companies to base
themselves overseas that is why they need to have this proposal. respond to that. >> i don't know where she gets her data. one.$6trillion has come in from overseas repatriated to the united states because of those reforms which by the way those ideas had always been bipartisan. and not locking out the profits overseas and not to be repatriated to america that's why us companies literally were in fort one - - inverting to get out from under the tax code. that stopped with the 2017 reform because it level the playing field. we still have a relatively high corporate tax structure compared to others but it's much closer to that average. we brought back jobs and investment and intellectual property companies like google
and qualcomm have brought r&d back to the united states so that tax reform clearly worked. by the way it shows up in the numbers with wage growth the 19h straight month of wage growth of 3 percent the lowest poverty rate in the history of the country since 19 fifties and unemployment at a 50 year low with blacks and hispanics. the last thing we want to do is change the tax code to make it harder for this economy to recover after the pandemic. paul: republican senators put together a proposal it is an offer of $600 billion in infrastructure. how do you pay for it? if you don't raise corporate tax, what do you do to find that amount of infrastructure quick. >> traditionally it is funded by user fees that would be a
gas tax. that would cover a good part of that. probably half and then there other excise taxes as well i would go beyond that by putting a tax on cars and trucks that don't as they go to more electric and hybrid vehicles in the hybrid truck owner myself i should pay my fair share. that is something that can be done on a bipartisan basis. whether a surcharge or per miles driven. the best source of funding is covid-19 funding already appropriated. but it has not gone out the door. the states and localities trying to get more flexible one - - flexibility to spend those billions of dollars they never expected to get.
with those last piece of legislation going to states and locals i'm hearing from my own state of ohio they would like to spend it on infrastructure. because frankly they don't have a lot of other needs relating to covid-19 they may have had a year ago. so to give them the flexibility to use it. but also using it with a local match at a higher percentage would give us more revenue to help pay for the infrastructure legislation. that's a great way to do it. paul: have you heard anything encouraging working in a bipartisan fashion? >> democrats who are sitting down. i did so yesterday. and then to help working families so let's do that but also let's improve infrastructure most republicans agree with that that roads and bridges need
help so does the transit system and infrastructure this could be helpful for the economy longer-term. let's come up a smarter ways to do this including funding that is repurposed it already decided but not needed with covid-19 purposes. paul: senator portman. thank you. democrats moved to make washington dc a state with allow it on —-dash what the power grab does to the senate and the filibuster. next. wealth helps you retire. worth is knowing why. ♪ ♪ principal. for all it's worth. still lots of room. just more to view. still the big move.
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paul: a divided house on thursday passing legislation to make washington dc the 51st state. democrats call the voting and civil rights issue but public and say it's a power grab to add two seats to the senate. president biden puts his support that he will sign it into law if it passes the senate. we are back with a panel.e bill does in addition to creating a state of two voting senators it creates a capital district right around the washington mall. why are they doing that? make the constitution requires congress has control over some area around the seat of government. the framers wanted it so
congress could be autonomous and independent from the state. the way they try to square the circle is much of residential dcs estate while keeping faith with the constitution so the national mall area is the district the constitution in vision and congress can control. paul: there is still an argument this is unconstitutional. even trying to make that accommodation. explained that to us. >> the constitution gives congress authority to control an area not more than 10 miles square which means 100 square miles in our current language. then congress would lose that power forever because a state is forever. basically you need to read out article one that gives
congress indefinite authority to control the area around it. paul: basically by statute you should be required to do through a constitutional amendment process with two thirds support of both parties and 38 states. not just a simple partisan vote. at my right? >> exactly. the admission of a new state along partisan lines is not something we have done since the 19th century. it is a big escalation. there's a reason why the change of the structure that it would require greater consensus than a partisan vote in a deeper consensus then you get from 50 votes in the senate and plus one in the house. paul: what about the argument of nancy pelosi this gives representation to the
residents of the district who are denied? and that is unfair because they don't get to senate votes? >> as jason made clear, the founders gave thought to this to create a district the seat of government and the capital of the united states. so what has been. if you move into the district of columbia, you understand that is the situation. beyond that, there is a possible compromise which would be to move parts into virginia or maryland where they could become citizens of virginia and maryland and then vote for the senators of those two states. alexandria and arlington became part of virginia across the river rather than creating two additional senators which clearly comes across as simply
a power grab to hack the u.s. senate. i think that compromise makes a lot more sense. paul: that kim democrats don't want that because they want the two more senators for the district. where does this stand in the senate right now? what about support from democrats quick. >> that's a problem. unlike the other controversial bills that have come along, this one has people divided. newly minted senator kelly expressing reservations saying maybe there is another way. senate majority leader schumer says he is in favor of dc statehood he has no immediate plans to bring up the bill. democrats keep debating what bill to bring and how they block it with the filibuster but this is not a strong bet.
paul: jason, you agree it's unlikely to pass the senate? things that seemed unlikely in the past seem likely now. [laughter] >> i think it is unlikely to pass the senate for sure. maybe not unlikely a future senate if democrats have a three or four seat margin to work with. paul: ahead, the presidents climate promises with the new american goals and why they more - - may do more harm than good. of credit card debt. they helped me consolidate all of that into one low monthly payment. they make you feel like it's an honor for them to help you out. i went from sleepless nights to getting my money right. so thank you. ♪ ♪
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paul: president biden kicking off a virtual climate summit with world leaders with the pledge to cut us greenhouse gas emissions in half by 2030. the president announced in january the united on - - i states would rejoin the paris agreement promised up at the country on track with net zero emissions by 2050. let's bring in the president of the copenhagen consensus and author of the book false alarm. welcome. good deceive again. people talked about the 50 percent reduction target what would that mean for people in their daily lives to achieve that target quick. >> it is hard to know because we don't actually have any kind of plan how he will manage to do this. but it will definitely impact your life.
you really need to turbocharge everything you are promising in climate area that means everybody goes to electric cars. you have to take away most of the energy sector already. this will have a significant cost. there is no estimate that biden has told us he will spend about $500 billion on climate purposes every year for the first term. that is $2 trillion over the next four years that will impact ordinary americans a lot. and we have to remember, if he actually manages to do this, he will not be president in 2030. there could actually be two presidents between him and that president. if they do this and keep the promise for the rest of the century, that would reduce
temperatures by zero.07 degrees fahrenheit virtually nothing. paul: you said basically they would have to electrify the entire vehicle free in ten years? how is that possible? other than massive coercion and confiscation of gas powered vehicles. that is it possible. is that? >> no. much of this will not happen. it is a virtuous goal and gives you bragging rights around the world. but actually achieving it would be very hard and very expensive. paul: on the electrical grid , it seems solar and wind would have to be increased by six or sevenfold and coal has to go.
natural gas has to be phased out and i don't know if wind and solar can replace them alone but biden doesn't have nuclear in his plan. >> it doesn't seem like it. it underscores the problem to say a lot of people like to tell you solar and wind is cheap yes when the sun is shining and the wind is blowing. but if not it is costly. that is my in real life it typically cost more. solar and wind are great for some things that eventually for quite a few. but it still very unlikely without nuclear and vast amounts of batteries or other breakthroughs that we can take on the entire economy. it will make you less prosperous. paul: the other question for the summit was to get other nations to commit as well like
china and india. any prospect those countries would advance their productions quick. >> not really. they didn't offer up anything at the summit. because china and india and africa, almost 2 billion people by the end of the century, have much more important interest, to pull the population out of poverty, creating development, and the chief engine to do that is available and cheap and reliable energy. that's what they are building other coal-fired power plants. this is not about the us cutting or their rich world cutting. and can afford although not very advantageous but getting china and india and africa and latin america on board. you will never do that with this style of approach.
what biden did at the summit on climate is to do what we have done the last 30 years. to make a lot of promises and then not following up. paul: what is the alternative approach? is it put money on research and development? >> fundamentally it is about innovation. as long as fossil fuels are cheaper than renewables they will not switch if you do get nuclear or lots of other ideas with solar and wind with a battery backup come if we could make that cheaper through innovation we could get everyone to switch. you would simply get everybody to do it. innovation is key. paul: thank you bjorn lomborg. from the biden administration
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and t15. what are they up to? i look at the infrastructure plan that joe biden has proposed that looks like the green new deal to me why do they say go even greener and bolder than that quick. >> that's a good question. just listening to aoc remarks and at the end of it she was talking about the green new deal doing more for housing and healthcare. what does that have to do with saving the planet? but in her mind it obviously has a lot to do. it's money for them she is also proposing $1 trillion of spending to help tribes and territories transition based from fossil fuels to wind and solar but there is the implicit problem in the middle of that because at least they
understand it will be very expensive to make this transition to d carbonite is the economy and as joe biden has been doing throw trillions of dollars added there is a disconnect in the middle of the idea that i think will stumble in congress. >> in addition to the spending, a huge enormous coercive regulatory regime that will extend and ascend across the us economy. tell us what that word involves. >> let's be clear. the obama administration also have on - - has a climate agenda. put it into effect with the epa. these other regulations that came out was fundamentally different to make the scale so much more radical.
biden puts us into effect with every department of government. they wanted to be in the housing sector, the energy sector, the transportation sector. department of justice policy. this is a regulatory apparatus unlike anything you have seen and every aspect of people's lives. >> talk about treasury in particular and the sec will put their thumb on the scale of lending to make it more difficult to land to anyone who deals in fossil fuels. that's a huge change in the financial market. >> absolutely. they will pressure banks to strangle out any disfavored industry. the irony is to the extent they have led the developed world in emission reduction it
is innovation like fracking which transitions to natural gas to a reduce co2. if the treasury department goes ahead with the plans that is the end of that. paul: dan, you mentioned the disconnect between the grand design ?-question-mark into and what the public is willing to pay for or support. as long as it's a targets they don't understand but if it is a cost to higher energy, higher gas prices , what you build next to your house. one example of that is the biden administration canceled to wind projects off of long island in the last couple of weeks. >> that's right. keep in mind the climate by this point is basically a base
movement for the left and progressives. the details is simply may simply insist on doing, cost be damned. they feel the american people should be willing to pay for it. the question is whence the price tag comes home if they are told they have to get rid of the gas powered cars within nine years to transition to electric cars and charge them over two or three hours come if the american public will accept it. but the plan now is to push as much of this as you can through right away with executive order and worry about the details later. paul: one more break. the hits and misses of the week.
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mr. gardner has been in office since 1976 he's a democrat and he came to washington this week to land senate democrats over hr1 proposed takeover of state elections. he laid out new hampshire's rules, pointed out they have had great success a huge turnout and in doing so he expose the reality that this bill isn't about making elections better. it is a power grab. so good for him for speaking out. >> mane. >> getting hit this week to oscars believe it or not, the 93rd academy awards are going to be held on sunday nights and they're going to be in person at union station in los angeles. beyond that they've also banned award from phoning in via zoom i think the fact that starrlets are deciding to return to in person event is a good sign we might be on the road back to normalcy. >> okay jason. >> i'll get a miss to china's coronavirus diplomacy. about a year ago, early in the
pandemic across the world declared china strict model of virus control sort of the envy of the world. now we're 13, 14 months in we're seeing that vaccine from america is operation warp speed especially after one shot are more effective, and so it is a reminder to not count own america's ability to innovate its way out of problem. >> thanks jason, dan. >> i'm giving hit to the late hester ford who died days ago in charlotte, north carolina. mrs. ford was 115 years old. which made her the oldest living american until the age of 108 she lived by herrings and her own house had 12 children and 200 great grandchildren and her family asked secret of this longevity they said it was her daily unwaiverring faith in the lord. simple as that. >> elle have what she had, dan. all right that's it for this
week's show thanks to my panel thanks to all of you for watching i'm paul gigot we hope to see you right here next week. ♪ ♪ >> family members of a black man who was fatally shot by law enforcement in north carolina, calling today for justice, that after several straight days of protest there. now the community and governor demanding sheriff office release body cam video showing the moments leading up to andrew brown jr. shooting and his death. hello everyone welcome to fox news live i'm eric shawn hi arthel. arthel: fatal shooting happened wednesday as police were executing a search warrant at elizabeth city. seven sheriff deputies on paid administrate five leave two have resigned and one retired. fox news spokes exclusively to sheriff about
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