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tv   Your World With Neil Cavuto  FOX News  March 24, 2022 1:00pm-2:00pm PDT

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we talked about the loss of our correspondents, our fox correspondents and the injuries sustained by ben hall. a great conversation of what it's like to be a war correspondent. check it out. that's "the story" nor today. march 24. always a story goes on. we'll see you back here tomorrow, a lot to come. >> neil: all right. president biden raising more questions than he answered today. exactly how he will continue to put the pressure on what vladimir putin does. he might not have to worry about that for the time being because it looks like the ukrainians are. shockingly taking out a russian warship. the orsky. surprising many people that well, ukrainian didn't have this time of military equipment to do what he did. but he did. is that a sign that some of the sophisticated military equipment
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and aide we've been promising has reached him and he is using it? one month in to this conflict. going to the second month of what could be a very divided conflict. growing questions now as to whether it's ukraine turning the tide and the president and nato leaders following his every move. welcome. i'm neil cavuto. this is "your world." a growing concern about what the president meant when he said what he said about what happens if vladimir putin uses chemical weapons and the sanctions work and finally meeting ukrainian refugees. where was he going to meet them? so much to get into, so little time to get into it, so let's start with peter doocy with the president in brussels. peter? >> neil, the president is building on what he talked about before he came to europe where he warned about a new world order being formed. he's giving up new details about a private conversation that he
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had with china's president xi about teaming up with russia. >> i made it clear to him that make sure he understood the consequences of him helping russia. >> the president says the u.s. is ready to welcome 100,000 refugees from ukraine and will put a billion dollars towards helping ref gees that want to stay closer to home in europe. he's not saying how the u.s. would respond to a chemical weapons attack in ukraine. he said gould be a response in kind. he's changing his story a little bit on financial punishment. >> get something straight. you remember, if you covered me from the beginning, i did not say that in fact the sanctions would deter him. sanctions never deter. you keep talking about that. sanctions never deter. the maintenance of sanctions, the increasing the pain and the
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demonstration -- >> so the president says sanctions don't deter. but the vice president has said sanctions do deter and that's the point of them. >> the sanctions have always been an continue to be deterrence. the allied relationship is we have agreed the deterrence effect is still a meaningful one. >> from here in brussels, the president is off to poland tomorrow. he has a big hole in his schedule. they haven't told us where he's going. he started to reveal it at that press conference but stopped himself and said he's not supposed to say. neil? >> neil: what did he mean by that? >> probably just it's a big security and logistical headache if they're going to move him. he talked about meeting the
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refugees that could be relocated to the united states. most likely there's just secret service agent giving him let's not say more about tomorrow on stage. >> neil: understood. he would meet them ostensively in poland. that was the understanding, or is it? >> yes. >> neil: got it. all right. i think i understand where he was coming from. peter, thank you. very good reporting. i appreciate that. i want to go to jeff paul in lviv, ukraine. the big development today that caught everybody -- no doubt vladimir putin, the sinking of a russian ship. the ukrainians did that. that is something that very few thought that they had the capability of doing unless they got their hands on equipment recently to do it. jeff, what is the latest on that? >> yeah, neil. we're a month into this invasion. people here in ukraine remain defiant. they're watching closely what is
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happening right now with these nato summits to see if something will happen that will really help tip the scales in they favor. they're watching two very key military developments that have happened that are really getting a lot of people throughout this country a bit of hope. the first happening off in the sea of azov. that's where the ukraine navy says that they have managed to destroy a russian ship that was docked at the port. while there's not any independent verification of this development, videos and pictures show a massive fire followed by multiple explosions. to the north in kyiv, we're looking ukraine forces are claiming to have pushed russian forces back in the eastern portion of the city. previously they had a tempted to encircle the capitol city. officials say russians are digging in, taking a defensive position now and not gaining any new ground. ukrainian forces are fighting them back.
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>> ukrainians have united as never before perhaps. this makes me very happy. the russians made a big mistake that they went for our country, for our land. we will bite their throats. it's our homeland. >> martha: some new numbers from the u.n. saying that around 1,000 civilians have been confirmed to be killed in this war. but they believe that number will likely be much higher. neil? >> neil: jeff paul, be safe, my friend. thanks for that update. with us now, the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, william taylor. ambassador, thanks for taking the time. i appreciate that. the president probably left his press conference today back and forth with reporters with more questions than answers. one i think -- i wanted to raise with you, ambassador, if russia uses chemical weapons. i want your reaction on this.
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>> we would respond if he uses it. the nature of the response would depend on the nature of the use. >> neil: the nature of the response would depend on the nature of the use. is he saying that if putin had limited chemical warfare with the ukrainians our respond would be limited or would not be exactly like that or -- that i did not understand. he seemed to have a way of measuring just how far you go with chemical weapons. i didn't understand that. do you? >> it's a difficult question, neil. you're right. it's a hard question for anybody to answer. the government is going through their usual efforts to think through these options. there's some examples in the past of what kind of response might be considered.
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if the russians used chemical weapons against ukrainians, that is if they had a chemical weapons unit, one response would be to use cruise missiles or some sort of force that the united states or nato has to take out that unit. that would be a response that would be proportionate. it would be appropriate response to the use of chemical weapons. but i understand the hesitancy to be very explicit to be -- the administration wants, military leaders want options and flexibility. so i can understand them wanting to have that. >> neil: i'm neither that, smart people like yourself that are knee deep in this and know the
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speak. but i would assume, ambassador, than if you're using chemical weapons at all, it's like not being a little bit pregnant. you're pregnant. you're using chemical weapons and that we would entertain a measured response to that seems to hold off the possibility if it isn't sweeping and massive and he's not killing tens of thousands, we might have a like response, but certainly not open this up to a nato war. disavow me of that notion. >> no, no. that's right. i think that's right. on the one hand, we're not going to use chemical weapons. >> neil: that i understood. i hope that is right. >> i hope that is right, too. it's immoral. illegal to use chemical weapons. we should not respond with immoral illegal kinds of weapons as well. but that's why i say a
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conventional response that takes out that unit, takes out that chemical weapons unit, you know, that would be a response that would make some sense. >> neil: so does this -- i'm sorry to be a dog with a bone with this. this notion that has been, pressed from people like senator lindsey graham, a number of generals on this show, that russia using chemical weapons is a game changer. it automatically gets all of nato involved. it would widen the war by definition. the president seems to be signals not necessarily depending on how they were used. does that change or could it change vladimir putin's thinking then? >> it's a good question. the right question is do we give
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vladimir putin all of the veto rights. the answer should be no. and if we also are somewhat ambiguous, vague, less than specific about what exactly we would do to keep putin guessing as to what kind of response, that is a good thing, too. again, obviously what we want is no use of chemical weapons. what we want is no use of biological weapons or nuclear weapons. that's what we want. so it's a deterrent. but we do have options. we do have options in particular at the biological and chemical weapons, which is what we're talking about right now. we have conventional options to that that doesn't get us in to world war iii. it doesn't get us into a nato-russia war. >> neil: so finally, your sense
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of where this might be going, general jack keane was on with martha maccallum in the last hour, sir, and indicating that from what he's hearing, the white house is pushing president zelensky in to a settlement or some sort of agreement that would in his eyes, the general's eyes, would rob zelensky of the victory or at least the edge that he appears to be gaining right now. general keane seemed worry about it. are you? >> so i would be worried if there was any indication that anyone, whether it's the americans or europeans or someone was trying to push president zelensky in to doing something that is not in his interest. president zelensky has done a great job of leading his nation. he's leading his nation and his nation is leading him. he knows where the ukrainians are. he knows they will fight.
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they are fighting. they're fighting fiercely. they will continue to do that. he knows that. he will continue to fight fiercely. anybody that pressures him -- put it this way. i don't hear anyone pressuring him to do something that is not in his interest. that said, it was very interesting what president zelensky said to the summit today, which was okay. no nato, okay. no no fly zone. but i, president zelensky, want a security guarantee from you all. i want from the germans and the french and the britts and the americans a security guarantee, which is more than what i got when i gave -- what ukrainians got in return for giving up their nuclear weapons in the 90s. he wants a guarantee, a treaty, that says we will fight with him, we will fight on his side if he's ever attacked in the if future. that's what he's asking for. he's not asking for other kinds of pressure. he's not looking to give up at
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this point. he's ready to fight on and defeat president putin and the russian military. that's a possibility. we should acknowledge that and encourage that and continue to support him, supply him with the weapons that he needs to fight against the russians. >> neil: well, will we abandoned him after that in 2014. he might be of the mind no matter what president biden or others are pushing on him to say the hell with you. i'm not going to repeat that. >> he might. but right now he sees that he needs both the weapons, he needs the sanctions, he needs russia to be weakened by these economic sanctions that are hammering, squeezing the russians. he needs the west to be united and the administration, the united states, has led in this squeeze. has led in this provision of weapons. president zelensky knows that. he wants that to continue. >> neil: got it.
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william taylor, former ambassador to ukraine. i'll be picking general boykin's brain on a few minutes. big news in russia that their market reopened today after a mind. i say kind of. with all sort of stipulations and preventing foreigners from selling any stocks at all. then there were the issue of how many stocks were really open for trading. it was weird. but susan li followed this all. how did it go, susan? >> very limited reopen as you mentioned after being shut for almost a month. that's the longest closure for the stock market there since the fall of the soviet union. it was chaotic. a volatile session. up 10% at its peak and keeping half of the gains at the end. as you mentioned, you only had 33 stocks to trade. no short telling. no bets that stocks would fall. foreign investors were not allowed to sell any stocks or bonds until april 1 at the
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earliest. the white house criticizing this moscow reopen, saying this is not a real market and not a sustainable model. you can see that on the streets of russia. average russians are not buying into the kremlin re-assurances that the economy is fear. fear, panic with store shelves bear. russians have been stockpiling, fearful of sanctions and a deep economic session will mean food and product shortages. pet food, coffee and sugar are hard to find, a throwback to the soviet era. you thought inflation was bad here? russians are paying higher prices there with global companies pulling out of russia. sugar prices are up 14%. the list goes on with salt and diapers all spiking the last week. medication now cost 40% more according to one estimate.
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many economists are forecast ago severe recession this year. russia's gdp might shrink 15%. >> neil: thanks for that, susan li. i think what susan just illustrated this is the one thing that many ukrainians will hope will change the behavior of vladimir putin when his folks at home, russian citizens, pay those sky high prices, the increases were just over the last week. they have already got long bank lines if they get access to their cash at all. their currency in rubble and now they're feeling the pain. so too maybe down the road and maybe very soon down the road, vladimir putin. jerry boykin is next.
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general jerry boykin jones us.
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he serves this country with great honor so many times. he's here with us. general, let me first get your take on what we were touching on in the last segment about the pain average russian citizens are feeling with food prices just going nuts. if they can get food at all. long lines at banks if you can get access to cash at all. they might not be hearing the full skinny, but they're feeling it what do you think of that? >> i don't think there's a question about that. remember, prior to the wall coming down in 90, 91, they -- that's what they did. that was their way of life. so for the most part, this is not new. they adapted to it then and they will adapt to it now. there's no question that it's taking a toll on the average russian there and obviously in time it's going to be a
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devastating toll. >> neil: meantime, general, you probably heard what general jack keane has been saying. he says that we're pushing president zelensky to make a deal or work with the russians. that's something that president zelensky has been pursuing. he says the russians have not honored it. some are troubled by that, we might be telling him to cut and run when he's in favor here, the momentum is moving to his side. what do you make of this? >> yes. the wind is in his sails right now. if you want to know about trading land for peace, look at israel. how has it worked out for them? it hasn't. they have trade to tried land for peace. i hope that our administration,
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i hope that america is not trying to get him to trade planned for peace or get him to surrender. he's on the winning side. this could go on a long time. but i've got to tell you, i don't think that -- you had people on your show that said before the russians came in to the cities there in the ukraine, you had people that said no, these people are going to fight and they're going to put of a heck of a good fight. i think they have surpassed the expectations of people like jack keane and others that actually said that they were going to fight and incredible battle. that's what they're doing. don't tell them to give up now. don't tell them to trade land for peace. >> neil: yeah, general jack keane agrees with you. don't do that. i'm wondering given the experience that no doubt that president zelensky can remember after he became president in
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2014, promises were made and we pulled the rug out from ukraine. he might feel, you know, this country once spurned, will be more than twice shy and royal at the idea of pushing into an agreement with the russians, won't he? >> that's a piece of history we can't ignore and can't deny. there was a pledge that they would be protected, that they would have top cover if they would turn over their nuclear arsenal and that has not worked out as promised. i as an earn, i'm ashamed of that. i wish we didn't make a pledge like that. i hoped that now we can do something to try and set it right. >> neil: finally, general, the president said today on this issue, vladimir putin using chemical weapons, it would depend on the nature of their use. what did you make of that?
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>> yeah, look, i can't explain -- sometimes he says things that are esoteric and they -- he knows what he's saying but didn't come out that way. i would say this. listen to ambassador taylor before i came on here. he's brilliant. i agree with him on almost everything. there's one thing we don't agree on. proportionality. we cannot set our serves up for responding with a proportionate response. we need to hammer the russians. we need to have targets identified right now. they may not be biological or chemical facilities. they may be something else that is meaningful to the russians. we need to have that set of targets and add to that based on what happens. i think what the president was saying was if one of these chemicals or biological agents drifts across the borders into a nato nation, that that could
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trigger an article 5 response. >> neil: you didn't take away from it what some might have, that if it was limited use of check call weapons and have limited spread, it would be as big a deal to us? isn't the use of chemical weapons no matter how severe the fallout, that -- that used to be called a red line. >> well, first of all, it's against the law. it's against international law to do that. secondly, one of the things we need to remember is that there is very little protection for his own troops. that doesn't mean that he cares about his troops. in fact, he doesn't. look at how they're being treated right now. the problems that they have. but i do think that if it -- if it goes across the border or if they use it at all, it doesn't matter. we have to respond.
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if they have any kind of chemical or biological attack, it doesn't matter if it goes across the border. we have to respond. i don't want to sound like a hawk or a war monger, but we have to take this seriously because we are seeing the stage being set for what the president is talking about as a new world order. nato is unified. now is the time, if nato has ever had a moment that it needs to be involved, it is right now in what we see going on. >> neil: general, thanks very much. general jerry boykin on these fast-moving developments here. don't want to leave out that we're also targeting russian gold. they house a lot of it through the central bank. it's unusual there. measures being drafted to prevent that from happening. gold prices soared on the news because the russians own a lot of it and the supply is now limited. we'll have more after this.
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we're reducing the supply of oil by making it tougher to drill. more expensive to transport it. putting more regulation on top of it to drive up the cost of it. so the government is adopted the last year and several months a deliberate policy of driving up energy costs in order to wean us away from hydrocarbons. now we're borrowing money from kids and grand kids a and devalues our dollar. so what rewith going to do? borrow more money from the future in order to give people a rebate on their gas prices and in the middle of that, government will need to have more people handling distribution of the checks and managing that program and syphoning off some of that money that would go to reduce lower costs, this is idiotic. let's realize the government has driven up the energy prices and we shouldn't compound it by
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create a season full of curiosity. your happiest spring starts at lowe's. >> neil: all right. time to go to the map and follow exactly where russian troops are. so much focus on the sinking of a russian battleship, few people will appreciate what the russian soldiers are doing on land are being deadly affected. connell mcshane following that. >> it's interesting. the movement from russia, we've been saying they've been stalled. now what we're seeing in many areas not only are they being stalled by the resistance, in some cases they're being pushed back. the shift that you talked about is in the southern part of the country. overall, you have about 1,000 miles of front line. the big picture of it here, you
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don't see it, but the lines have not moved. they started to move back a little bit in some areas. anyplace where we marked in blue is where ukraine is fighting back or again having some -- being affected in doing something. i'll zoom in around the capitol city of kiev. we talked and a suburb. heavy fighting there in the last few hours once again. there's other towns and cities. again, this blue area is where the ukrainians have claimed to counter offensive. instead of this being red as of a few days ago, the blue is screening in. ukraine is pushing the russians back. john kirby talked about how russia moved in 20 or 30 meters of the capitol and now they're being pushed back. jeff paul was reporting about the ukrainian claim that they
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hit this warship off of the coast offed ukraine. that is an air that if you look at on the map that the russians have been in control in. it's right here, not far from mariupol. this is all areas of russian control. what they have been using it for is logistical supplies and to get more shipments of supplies in to the front lines and supply their troops up here. when the ukrainians are able to hit them there, that is going to make that more difficult. that speaks to the significance of that move. finally, we end on a look at the refugees. the overall number here has gotten close to four million now. the united states says they'll take in 100,000. the other headline from the united states, more than half of the children in ukraine have been displaced by the war. >> neil: stunning.
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>> so what is difference for those people dying now in mariupol from the tanks and missiles, if they're doing from though kinds of weapons or if they're dieing from some other kinds of weapons. >> neil: the slovanian prime minister, it's been inhumanity of putin after going after innocent civilians, going after shopping malls and apartments and killed them. it's that that is being addressed by my next guest, an american military serviceman. he's gone half the world away to ukraine to help people in danger
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there and get them out of harm's way. brett joins us right now, the former special operations soldier, the man behind harp rescue. always inspired listening to you. you know better than many what the dangers are on the ground that without help such as what you orchestrate with harp, these people would be in an impossible situation trying to get out. how is the situation on the ground right now? >> thanks for having me, neil. from here on the ground, it's clear that russia uses civilian attacks as their main choice. they're trying to do everything that they can to demoralize the populous. our team is seeing the aftermath of them firing on schools, hospitals when working with these evacuees. the latest heavy fighting in mariupol has escalated seven russian naval ships bombarding the city over the last 24 hours.
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100,000 civilians are still trapped and can't get out. the russian invasion has displayed 25% of ukrainians. on top of that, the u.s. estimated 12 million people are stranded, unable to leave parts of the country seeing the heaviest fighting. you have areas like mariupol that are seeing the more dire situations where people are facing shortages of food, safe drinking water and other goods. they remain without electricity. so the real numbers of people in need here are outpacing most estimates. this is making our job more difficult as we have to go deeper and deeper in the country to get people out. sometimes going through enemy lines. the attacks on these residential areas are intensifying. i have photographs of an
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ambulance that was shot up by russian forces near the front lines. aid is having trouble getting in to the certain cities. russian forces seized another humanitarian convoy near mariupol. it continues to highlight the difficulty of reaching a lot of locations. >> neil: i assume russian promises to provide the safe passage ways, they're not delivering on that. >> no, absolutely not. i've seen the numbers today. nearly 1,000 civilians and 81 children have been killed. more than 5,100 injured. even if the war ended tomorrow, the destruction will have lasting consequences within the region for a number of years. unfortunately it's very hard to determine whether or not these humanitarian corridors are open and have safe passage. they might open a couple hours. the next thing they're being bombed by russians. >> neil: brett, please be safe. 82 ur do -- you're doing the
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lord's work. thanks, brett velicovich. the man behind the operation rescue here, harp, to help these people out. nobody else is. when we come back, whether the president meant to say what he did when it comes to chemical weapons, when it comes to talking to refugees after this. d every road in this here land! ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere, man. ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere, man. ♪ ♪ crossed the desert's bare, man. ♪ ♪ i've breathed the mountain air, man. ♪ ♪ of travel i've had my share, man. ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere. ♪ ♪ i've been to: pittsburgh, parkersburg, ♪ ♪ gravelbourg, colorado, ♪ ♪ ellensburg, cedar city, dodge city, what a pity. ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere, man. ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere, man. ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere. ♪ it's still the eat fresh refresh, and subway's refreshing everything! like their new premium angus roast beef. it goes great with oven roasted turkey and black forest ham on the new subway club now that's a perfect 10
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>> neil: all eyes on the president of the united states right now. first press conference. he did tend to confuse some people wondering exactly how much he meant when it came to chemical weapons, russia. the willingness on the part of the u.s. to promise him except 100,000 refugees from ukraine. that's a tiny number compared to countries like poland that i've already taken and better than 2 million. john cornyn, texas republican senator, kind enough to join us. senator, on the refugee commitment the president has made for 100,000 ukrainians to come here. what did you think of that? >> well, america has always been a place where people who are pressed or seeking freedom or religious liberty have come. what i'm a little concerned about is i don't know where the president got that number. as you point out, there's millions of people being displaced.
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we also see 2 million people show up at our southwestern border during this last year and we've seen afghan refugees coming out of that ill-fated, you planned shutdown of our presence in afghanistan. i'm not sure who the president got that number. i'm interested in learning more. also making sure that we can do this in an orderly and appropriate way. >> neil: he is committed more money for ukraine. we can assume part of one part of that was this system that enabled the ukrainians to take down and blow up russian warship. we don't know for sure. honestly it begs the question, if you have this capability before, he certainly would've used it. what do you make of the military aid that is making its way in? >> i was in poland and germany this last weekend with some
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colleagues. basically the message from the ukrainians was we need more and we needed faster. that included not just weapons but also humanitarian relief. and so the weapons that are being provided, i think we are continuing to do that. obviously they need everything they can get their hands on. particularly given the threat from ships offshore bombarding ukraine, flattening cities and killing innocent people. they need to be stopped. so if we need ship killing missiles, we need to get those to them as soon as we can. spending lots of confusion over what the president meant when he said measured response matching the use of chemical weapons that the russians would do so. it didn't seem in the media -- immediate repudiation of god. not that we would respond
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kindly. how much damage the chemical weapons might make. >> chemical weapons are by a large illegal under international law. you remember than to cut that when president obama said it was a redline and then did nothing to back it up. we need to be prepared to deter mr. putin when it comes to chemical weapons at all other forms of aggression against innocent ukrainians. unfortunately right now it seems like mr. putin is deterring us and our allies more than we are deterring him. unfortunately time is on his side because he's just going to keep coming, keep grinding this out until he stops. >> neil: senator cornyn, thank you very much. i apologize for a truncated interview. we are following a lot of news. thank you. one of the things we are also
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following is whether the president will follow up on those remarks. might come tomorrow. it might happen in poland. that's what he is supposed -- he is supposed to meet with ukrainian refugees. could be someplace else. no way of knowing. we look forward to seeing you tomorrow. dealing with the spike in new covid cases and this ba.2 variant with dr. anthony fauci. he is on tomorrow. >> greg: i am greg gutfeld with judge jeanine pirro, jessica tarlov, jesse watters, dana perino. "the five." >> putin was banking on dana being split. nato has never, never been united that it is today. pollutant is getting the opposite of what he intended as a consequence of going into ukraine. >> gg:


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