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don't try to stop me. i'm leaving. she got up off the bed. she squared off at me in the doorway of our bedroom. i said what are you going to do? hit me again? would you like to hit me again? i said go ahead, hit me. bam. then i just said, is that what you wanted? would you like another? bam. there's the second one. good. now you're done. grabbed her by the shoulders, walked her to the bed, sat her down and said don't follow me.
leave me alone. i'm gone. i went, grabbed a few things and got out immediately. i went to my other house. miss heard was leaving the following day for coachella. it's -- coachella is like a big event, a concert, many, many bands and -- yeah. out in the desert. it's huge. she and her friends were 52ing to coachella for the weekend. that was it. that was it. >> mr. depp, after april 21, 2016, when was the next time that you actually saw miss heard in person? >> i left miss heard -- i left
i was shown a picture of what the problem was. i had gone to mr. bett and said she's at coachella. it's a good time to go down town so i can get some of my things, you know, get them out of there, especially things that were precious to me. you know, children things, things from friends, brando, hunter, thompson, whatever. things that were important to me. he said i don't think now is a good time to go. i thought it's the perfect time. she's not going to be home for two days. he showed me a photograph on his telephone of -- >> objection, your honor.
calls for hearsay. >> it's a photograph, your honor. >> as being relayed to him by mr. bett. >> he said he looked at it on his phone. >> i'll overrule the objection. >> what was the photograph of, mr. depp? >> it was a photograph of the bed, our bed. and on my side of the bed was human fecal matter. so i understood why it wasn't a good time to go down there. my initial response to that was -- i mean, i laughed.
out. she was dying. >> how often were you going to see her during this time? >> as much as i could under the circumstances. when i did go and get to see my mom, she was pretty much incapable of speech. her speech had left her. at that time her -- she seemed to -- her eyes were still open. she was -- she could kind of
react with her eyes but she couldn't speak. not long after that once her eyes closed, she laid there for the duration of her life, which ended on the 20th of may. the night before i saw miss heard for the last time or essentially. >> i'm so sorry, mr. depp. but how did your mother's death affect you? >> as would anyone, i suppose. it was one thing that i couldn't fathom, was -- i mean, i brought my kids to see betty sue in the
hospital. at that time she was not functioning. she was not responsive. she was alive still. she was fighting still inside. but she was -- she was lying in the bed and what -- excuse this analogy. all i could think of was how -- if she's conscious of -- if she's conscious of everything going on around her but has no ability to speak, has no ability to move, i knew that the one
thing as far as betty sue was concerned, the last thing that she would have wanted was to have ended up lying there on a -- it was like -- there's my mom lying there on a deli platter. it was a horrible image. i brought my kid in to say good-bye. we all spoke in to her ear. and then she passed away later. so it was painful. but there was some side of it, too, at least to me, that in a
way it was -- i was happy for her. >> why was that? >> because i can't imagine betty sue or my mom, i can't imagine anyone lying there in quiet probably quite possibly was a kind of a locked in syndrome. if she's surrounded by ten people looking at her lying there in that -- on that deli platter, if you will, i was happy for her that she was out of pain, out of frustration, out of -- it's happy that she moved. not happy. i was relieved that she was no longer in that situation.
when those you love leave, we're the ones stuck with the pain, with the grieving but i was glad that my kid got to see her and give her her send-off, i suppose. but it was -- it opened my eyes quite a lot to a number of things. >> what were some of those things that your mother's death opened your eyes to? >> that life is a birdsong. that what feels like of 100 years is in fact a second --
millisecond. nobody can count those. so i had made peace with betty sue. i understood where she came from and i understood how difficult her childhood was and i understood that she had not had the proper training or proper teaching, proper background to be anything better than what she had been when we were younger. i forgave her for all of that as one would, should. so i was -- it opened my eyes to the fact that yes, try and
relationships, whether friendships, whether courtships, whether marriage, try your best, try. if it's not going to work, it's not going to work. and more importantly, if you're going to get out -- if you're going to make an end, which i had decided that i -- it was -- somebody had to call it and i decided that i would call amber and tell her that my mother had died that day. and then i very calmly said
look, i've made a decision and i think it's the best thing. i'm going to file for divorce. but i'm not going to -- i'm not going to cite irreconcilable differences. i'm not going to cite any violence, i'm not going to -- i'm going to state this: we simply -- the two of us, we simply don't want to feel as though we have a collar around each other's neck and a leash attached to it and then this piece of paper that proves that that is true. so what i felt was best was we want to end this in love and
take the idea of ownership of one another out of the picture. that's how i approached miss heard with that. >> so why did you go over to the penthouse on may 21, 2016? >> miss heard requested that i come over to have a talk, to explain -- she wanted to explain things. so i went there. i also had to -- wanted to gather up some of those things, you know, precious things.
yeah. so i went over there to -- >> martha: okay. this is frozen. we saw this happen a few times earlier today. we're watching the testimony of johnny depp who his attorney is taking us through sort of the end stages of their marriage and he's detailing what he described as abuive behavior by amber heard. while we wait for this video to come back in live, let's bring in attorney brian claypool who is watching this with us. do we have the video back or are we going to brian? okay. brian, you're watching this along with us. how believable do you find johnny depp's testimony on day two here? >> hey, martha. great to be back with you.
what is shocking to me in this case, the scope of what he's talking about. remember, johnny depp is not suing amber heard for assault and battery. but we've heard hours of testimony about amber heard allegedly punching him in the face, throwing bottles and cutting his finger off. i'm shocked that amber heard's lawyers are allowing this testimony to come in. this is a defamation case and b, even if it's relevant, it's too prejudicial to let it in. what depp's lawyers are profound. might be good with the injury. he's wanting this jury to believe that amber heard is so crazy, so violent, so belligerent and so manama --
maniacal that she is lying about this false allegation against johnny depp. that's their strategy. >> martha: we have a picture shown earlier in the trial a couple hours ago of johnny depp on a gurney in a hospital. there's a green dot on this photo, this is the -- you can see his fingers are broken apart basically by what he says is a vodka bottle that she threw at him. on his cheek, there's a mark that he claims was a cigarette burned into his cheek. this is brutal stuff, brian. you know, i wonder why you think it is that her attorneys are allowing him to go this far? i can imagine that it's potentially because they will look forward to pulling apart these stories piece by piece, i imagine. >> right. good point on two respects. let's talk about the picture. martha, i have trouble getting
pictures like that in civil cases where there's personal injury involved, this is a defamation case, this has turned into a personal injury case. that photo will elicit sympathy on behalf of johnny depp and show that amber heard is a very violent person. she's capable of lying. so again, this is really appalling that they wouldn't object to this. your point real quick. remember, the cross examination of johnny depp is dictated by the scope of what his lawyers ask him on direct. so if his lawyers had been short and tight, then heard's lawyers couldn't go into a lot on cross exam. you make a great point. this is going to be a bloodbath. anything in depp's life will be fair game on cross exam. >> martha: fascinating. we'll see when that cross examination gets started. the feed is back. let's go back to this courtroom in fairfax, virginia. here's movie star johnny depp.
>> so i had been waiting by the door to get in there in case anything went down. >> so when you walked into the penthouse, what did you see? >> when i first walked into the penthouse, you walk in and make a left and then you're in the kitchen area. then beyond that was the living room. i saw miss heard sitting there. on the couch. i went over to talk -- might have sat down on the couch. she was sitting on -- the couch was kind of in a square or a half square. she was sitting on one side of the couch. i was sitting on the other.
that's when she was trying to explain a few things about coachella and the people -- the delivery. saying that it was the dog's. sorry. i couldn't agree with her. i lived with those dogs. i picked up their fun. it was not the dog's. so what happened was i called -- i said let's call kevin murphy. >> who is kevin murphy? >> he was in los angeles. he was the house manager over the places in west hollywood. he was also taking care of the penthouses downtown where work that needed to be done, this or
that. he would schedule the girls would come in, the ladies like hilda, to do their work. he had had a conversation with miss heard. >> hearsay, your honor. >> let's move beyond the conversation that mr. murphy had with miss heard. so after you called kevin murphy, what happened? >> i asked kevin if amber and he had spoken about the incident. he said yes, they had. and it appears that misheard --
>> hearsay, your honor. >> i'm not sure -- >> apparently a statement by miss heard. >> that he heard from kevin murphy. that's what the testimony is. >> all right. if you want to rephrase that, that's fine. >> okay. after you -- when did you hang up the phone with kevin murphy? right about the time that miss heard was screaming obscenities at him and calling him a lawyer and that he was a scumbag and i told -- i said listen, don't speak to this man that way. do not disrespect this man in that way. and then kevin murphy just hung up. so at that point she was riled, of course. and i went upstairs to gather belongings. when i came back down stairs,
she was on the phone with -- they were making a wonderful point of how funny it was that i thought that some human being -- >> martha: okay. we're going to the white house for a moment. peter doocy questioning jen psaki in the briefing room. let's watch this. >> this is a key step in promoting research. it broadens the amount of cannabis for medicinal purchases. also, the president is looking at clemency. >> so he remains committed to what he said during the campaign that people charged with marijuana-related offenses, number 1, everybody gets their record expunged? >> he's reviewing his clemency powers.
i don't have anything beyond that. >> and about immigration. does the president still have confidence that the vice president can get to the bottom of root causes of migration? >> he absolutely does. he's grateful for her work in doing exactly that. >> why? >> why does he have confidence? should i give you a couple updates? >> what gives the president confidence when he sees that march 22 has 28% more migrant encounters than march 2021 when she got this assignment? >> you asked me about root causes. let me address that first and what the president and other members of the administration have been working with her have been doing. so we've been working with source in transit countries to facilitate the quick return of individuals who previously resided in those countries as well as to stem migration in the state. some of that is getting agreements with partner countries on migration-related matters. that's something that the vice president has been deeply engaged with. i'd note that secretary mayorkas
that has worked with with her os traveled to costa rica where he joined the president of costa rica and announcing a bilateral migration agreement, managing migrant flows and promote economic growth in the region. we also are maintain ago close partnership between the government of mexico and the united states to stem irregular migration. what that means is working with countries in the region to take steps to have partnerships, be able to have people send back to the region as needed. >> the last one on this. if the president or are you guys having discussions with advisingers about delaying the removal of title 42? >> well, i would, again, remind everyone because you gave me the opportunity, title 42 is not an immigration authority. i will -- i will get to your question. i promise, peter. it's a public health authority. congress gave the cdc authority to make determinations about what should be lefted. so right now we're planning and preparing for the end of title
42 enforcement an may 23. but i would say that there are a range -- the president agrees that immigration in our country is broken. it's a system that is broken. there's a range of ideas out there in congress, democrats, republicans, others, some who support a delay of title 42 implementation, some who strongly oppose it. there's a range of other ideas of reforming our immigration system. this would require congressional action. we're happy to have that conversation with them. >> along the title 42 -- >> martha: you heard the question from peter doocy about whether or not the president plans to lift the title 42 restriction, which has been in place at the southern border since the trump administration and the on set of the pandemic. it is a public health policy. it prevents a number of people from crossing the border due to covid.
let's bring in republican senator john kennedy for a moment as we address this very big issue. a number of democrat senators and members of the house as well would really like to see title 42 extended. senator kennedy, good to have you with us. peter doocy questioning jen psaki about that, whether the white house will continue title 42. there's people in favor, people opposed, people considering it. what are your thoughts on this, sir? >> well, i heard miss psaki say the system is broken and frankly the biden administration broke it. this isn't complicated. america has a legal immigration system. we admit about a million people a year legally in to our country, more than any other nation in the world. everybody wants to come to america. even -- america is so great, even the wokers that hate our
country don't want to leave it. we have millions that try to come in to our country illegally. federal law says we're supposed to turn them away. the biden administration is not doing that. they have let between a million and two million people in to our country illegally. to stem the tide of illegal immigration, president trump invoked a federal law called title 42. it just says that if you're trying to come in to our country from another country that has the coronavirus, we're turning you away. no questions asked, even if you're claiming refugee status. that has kept about two million folks out of here illegally. president biden has just announced that he's going to stop enforcing title 42 on may 23. what does that mean? that means that the numbers of people coming in illegally will
double. it's going to double by the stroke of a pen. some people say, well, this is just another foolish idea by an administration that has become famous for foolish ideas. i'm not sure i agree with that. sometimes when people act like they don't care, it's not an act, martha. i think this is intentional. i think the biden administration believes in open borders. they're happy to have not just a million people coming in illegally every year, they're fine with two or three million, because they think that our borders should be open because vetting people at the border in their opinion is race it's. that's what i think is going on. >> martha: it's such a strange irony of what's going on right now. you have a federal judge lifting the mask mandate on transportation. you have people saying hooray, they can take their mask off.
some people think they should keep them on for various reasons. then at the same time, you have this situation at the border and the white house is saying this is health policy. it's not immigration policy. yet they have these democrats that are running for office that know that this is politically difficult for them, so now for a political reason, there's a suggestion that they might decide to keep title 42 in place, senator. >> yeah, you know, life is full of contradictions. we call that hypocrisy. president biden says it's okay, everything is safe now. let's let everybody in illegally. on the other hand, he says i might appeal the ruling that you don't have to wear a mask. what he said is he's going to appeal it if dr. fauci says he should appeal it. dr. fauci has not weighed in on what he thinks. frankly everything about dr. fauci's credibility at this
point screams expired. >> martha: the president said yet he thought people should do what they think is right or what they want to do, which is where a lot of people are in this country at this moment. maybe he should -- maybe he will consider sticking with that as a way to approach this. i think that a lot of people will listen to what you said a moment ago. so we look at the numbers of people coming across the southern border. if we didn't have title 42, you have another two million that have crossed the border. it seems it's porous if we let in record numbers of people while title 42 is in place. quick thoughts and i'll let you go. >> the biden administration believes in open borders. i know the president said otherwise when he ran for office, but they have allowed a million people to come in to our country illegally and decided to
get rid of a law that will anow ott million to two million to come in illegally, no questions asked. they believe in an open southern border. >> martha: we'll see what they decide on title 42. a big political decision for them and they're waiting for the health director from the cdc as well to guide that. senator kennedy, thank you. always good to see you, sir. also breaking at the white house, jen psaki just said a comment about whether the department of justice under merrick garland will challenge the florida judge's ruling that lifted the mandate to cheers on airplanes yell for travelers. kellyanne conway and juan williams after this.
know, we're not implementing the mask mandate because of the court order, which we disagree with while he is still abiding by cdc guidance and recommends americans do that across the country. they're still recommending people wear masks on airplanes. >> martha: so let's bring in former counselor to president trump, kellyanne conway and author of the upcoming book "here's the deal" and juan williams. good to have you with us today. kellyanne, let's start with you. your reaction to this back and forth and what we see going on on the masks. you heard the president say people should do what they want to do and jen psaki holding the line on we're still waiting for the cdc to make this declaration. >> the white house is ambiguous and opaque on an issue where you saw people really excited while they're sitting on the planes to rip off the masks. you know, martha, this started with democratic governors last fall. governor polis of california
said stop telling people what to wear. and the democratic governor of missouri has turned on biden with the vaccine mandates and masks. if you have confusion on a public health and science matter from the white house, it turns into political science. if you want to wear a mask still, wear a mask. nobody is stopping you from doing that as a personal choice. i find it just unbelievable that yesterday on air force one jen psaki said that public health decisions should be made by public health experts, not the courts. does she think about that with row versus wade? when you see a five-month-old sonogram that you're following the science? on masks, people knew there was a reason we were wearing them for a long time. now they don't want masks to be an excuse for government control. the. and his press secretary must
speak as one voice on this. >> martha: here's a tweet from valorie jarrett that speaks for some folks, i guess, out there. she says wearing my mask no matter what nonscientists tell me i can do. isn't that the point, juan? we're getting to the point that people should do what they're comfortable doing and that you shouldn't have to be mandated for it if you're on an airplane and you feel like you're around some of the best filters there are. >> well, i think the overarching point here, martha, it's dismaying and unsettling to so many people when public health becomes so politicized. and it creates a huge risk to us as americans. when the next huge public health threat occurs, the next wave of covid, there's people that will say it's political, i'm not going to listen. we've had close to a million people die of covid in this
country, more around the globe. when you understand is the risks that people who are immuno-compromised, people who have health risks, people that are older adults, then you say you have to put steps in some cases to protect each other. what is going on now, all of that is by the wayside. we're not talking about science or public health. instead, we're talking about political activism from the bench that is intended to say, you know what? just if you want to do what you want to do, go ahead. this is all about your individual actions. there's people out there saying wait, what about the american public? what about public health? >> martha: right. you know, you can find a lot of different measures in terms of whether or not some of these measures have really been successful in blocking this virus, which obviously is a very tenacious virus. we've been living with it a long
time. when you get to the judge and that question, juan, you know, this is become about oh, it was a trump-appointed judge and then you're back into the unfortunate position of calling this a political decision. quick thought on that, juan and then i'm going to get kellyanne's response to that. >> no, i think that when you read this decision and it talks about, you know, what it means to sanitize the public service health act, which is about protecting americans from the spread of infectious disease across state lines and what does this mean, i'm going to do this, i'm going to do that. it doesn't sound like it's about public health. again, sound like a political activist making a statement and its popular. most americans, we all wish this was over. we all wish we didn't have to wear masks. is that following the best dictates of what we know is in the interest of the public health interests of the american people. that's the question. >> wow. >> martha: quick reaction to
that, kellyanne. >> when you and the democrats are going to tire of attacking strong women attached to donald trump? it started five years ago. you were attacking your colleagues as too young and trump appointed. did you object when there were 55 nationwide rulings by solo judges? they love to attack the messenger. she's doing the best she can. she had a constitutional question about the cdc's mask mandate. that can be appealed. in the meantime, we don't attack judges when we don't like it and say it's a matter of public health. juan, you can't get the press secretary and the president on the same message here. if you're concerned about public health, get them to say the same darn thing to the rest of the country. maybe more people would listen. they don't trust them.
this country has no trust in their competence. look at the polling. people should do what they want. there was three trump vaccines that were approved to go shots in the arm before he left off. 12 million americans got them while he was in office including kamala harris and joe biden. we're grateful that the trump administration developed those vaccines. that's your best protection. >> martha: okay. yeah. a majority of americans do still want to wear a mask according to one poll out there. they should do exactly that. that's the whole point here. people want their freedom, they want to mask or unmask their children based on their own health decisions and recommendations of their own doctor, not somebody in an office in washington d.c. juan williams, kellyanne conway, thank you. see you soon. president biden about to meet with pentagon leaders at the white house as ukraine's president said he could have already defeated putin if the
united states and allies, nato allies had sent more military aid sooner. >> if we had access to all the weapons which need which our partners have and comparable to those by the russian federation, we have ended this wear and restored peace and liberated our territory. this is the superiority of the ukrainian military and tactics and wisdom is quite obvious. >> martha: we'll have general jack keane's response to that from the ukraine president in a moment. first to mark meredith live at the pentagon. hi, mark. >> good afternoon. pentagon officials said they were told about a new icbm weapon. it's believed to have nuclear weapons and evade the more advanced missile systems technologies. the video was fascinating. showed the weapons test itself but russian president putin overseeing it.
putin is calling it unique and will give his country security from what he says are external threats. however, officials in this country are not sounding the alarm. we heard from john kirby today. he told reporters "we do not deem the test to be a threat to the u.s. or its allies and the department remains focused on russia's unlawful and unprovoked aggression against ukraine." speaking of ukraine, the pentagon says they're working around the clock to send more weapons to the donbas where fighting is only expected to intensify in coming days. ukraine's president has criticized western countries for not sending weapons sooner. critics say that more will be m cooing in coming weeks. >> nato needs to stop pushing arms, ammunition and supplies in and unleash the arsenal of
democracy and help ukraine win, not help them get to the negotiating table. >> the pentagon has been facing questions about what kind of additional aid the u.s. plans to send in the coming days. the pentagon kicking the can going forward. the president will be sitting down with the chairman of the joint chiefs in 15 minutes or so and we expect cameras to be there for part of the meeting. we may get a better idea where the president wants to go from here. martha? >> martha: thanks, mark. let's bring in retired general jack keane, chairman of the institute for the study of war and fox news senior strategic analyst. general, always good to have you with us. your reaction first of all to this icbm russian test and vladimir putin's contention that it will protect them from external threats. >> certainly a scheduled test. we knew it was going to take place. these are fairly standard
procedures to test the equipment that we have and certainly test new modernized equipment as well. russia has a strong strategic deterrence as of the united states. made up of icbms, bombers and submarine launched missiles. they've been modernizing theirs the last ten years. we have not been. ours are atrophying. there's a down payment in this budget to put us on the right track. a lot more is needed to do to get our system where they should be. >> martha: do you agree with president zelensky that says if they had received all of the weaponry that they asked for, they could have been done with this war by now? >> yeah, i don't know if that's a fact. i don't think the president knows either in due respect to him. i do know this. absolutely one of the major
lessons learned here, we should have given him the emergency supply of equipment when the russians showed up on his door in march. when you look at this and what putin has said about ukraine going back to the security conference that was held in munich in 2007 when he was expressing with his objectives and goals were in terms of a new security arrangement and everybody at the meeting blew him off and he's been unequivocal about his intent dealing with ukraine. multiple presidents going all the way back to president bush, obama, trump, also need to answer why didn't we give them lethal aid right from the beginning when we saw what putin's intent was and we could probably have provided an adequate deterrent from an invasion. the lesson learned here going forward, martha, we must do that for taiwan now.
president xi is making the same threats that president putin has been making for years. let's take the threats seriously. we didn't take them seriously with russia and look at the price being paid. >> >> you took that question out of my mouth. what does that so i about taiwan and what kind of preparation do we need to do for them now. i want to ask you quickly this question before you go, general, this is the ukraine commander stationed in mariupol. he made a desperate plea. they're in a desperate situation in mariupol. here's what he said. >> this is our appeal to the world. this could be the last appeal of our lives. we're probably facing our last days if not hours. that means outnumbering us 10 to 1. >> martha: what can we do? a lot of people in this situation. >> yeah, absolutely desperate people by brave people fighting
for their families, fighting for their way of life and willing to give up their life for their freedom and families. likely nobody coming to their rescue. that's the situation as it is. when they're out of bullets, that's likely when this is over. knowing them, they will fight to the last person. >> martha: terrifying situation. thank you, general keane. good to have you with us today. with that, we go back to fairfax, virginia. they are -- johnny depp back on the stand. thanks to general jack keane. let's listen in. >> animosity and another clash. once again, felt it necessary to
bring my kids, bring my son in to that argument and say that she hopes that my son's stepfather can teach him how to be a man since i couldn't. and i believe she says something about more man in the stepfather would be existing in my -- i believe the term was left nut. >> how often did miss heard binge your children into your
arguments? >> too afternoon. >> at the end of the relationship, how was miss heard's relationship with your children? >> nonexistent. my children -- my kids are far more intelligent than i am. they is broke -- they wouldn't be around miss heard. they refused to be around her anymore. they didn't like the way she treated me, which was written in a very elegant letter by my daughter to miss heard. i don't know if that is in
evidence. i remember my daughter sent texts to miss heard -- >> objection, your honor. hearsay. one thing to tell his stories. another thing -- >> we can move on. >> i'm sorry. i read the e-mail. >> i understand. next question. when did you learn that misheard had filed for divorce? well, it was betty sue was the 20th. that night i spoke to her about the divorce, the 21st was the kicker. i believe it was on the 23rd.
i had already left down for new york to prepare for the tour. >> dismiss heard know that you were out of town at that time? >> i don't know. >> when did you learn that miss heard had made domestic abuse allegations against you? >> the 27th of may, which is in fact my daughter's birthday. i saw that she had gone to a court -- some court. there were paparazzi everywhere. her and a pound mark on her
face. also happened to be the day that charlie and -- no. alice in wonder land ii, the looking glass, was opening. that's the day that she chose to get the -- go to the courthouse and get a tro, temporary restraining order against me. i was in europe already at that point. >> mr. depp, i'd like to show you what has been marked as plaintiff's exhibit 487. this is a long document and we'll be showing pages 492 through 494. >> there's no objection to the document, 487? >> if i could have a minute.
>> are you entering this in evidence or are you showing it? >> i can give them an opportunity and go through it with mr. depp, if that's okay. >> can you identify the document on the screen in front of you? vague memory of these. >> who were these between? >> looks like myself -- it's me in the green and miss heard in
the blue. >> do you think that your communication lets you know that miss heard is in new york? >> i'm sorry? >> what is the date of the texts here on this page? >> martha: okay. with that, we will bring brian claypool in to this. they're looking at these documents. brian, we were speaking earlier about what the point of this trial is. as you say, the scope has expanded enormously to go back essentially over their entire relationship. really goes back to whether or not she defamed him by saying that she had experienced and abusive relationship and not naming him in that article that she wrote but based on the "people" magazine cover and the rest of it, it was assumed and a fair assumption that she was referring to him. you think that's a fair enough
assumption to start with? >> yeah, it is. what is really happening here, martha, is character assassination 101. like you said, johnny depp's strategy has expanded. amber heard's lawyers didn't object to a lot of this. you just heard testimony that was startling to me. johnny depp's kids didn't want to be around amber heard? are you kidding me? what does that have to do with this case? but depp's lawyers have assassinated heard's character. one piece of evidence that could be profound for this jury. when he said about amber heard, oh, you broke any nose. he was hugging her to stop a fight. bumped into her nose. he went to the trash can, got a piece of tissue and he says that's nail polish? if a jury believes that, that proves that she lied about that and that his -- depp's lawyers will say she's capable of lying
and did lie about the alleged domestic abuse. so this -- heard's lawyers will have to come out and will have to assassinate johnny depp's character, portray him as a drug addict. at the end of the day, the corroborating evidence will decide this case. text messages, eye witnesses -- >> martha: have to leave it there. thank you very much. the credibility at stake here in this trial. we'll be back with more tomorrow. >> neil: a major escalation of events in ukraine right now as vladimir putin sends a warning with an icbm test that is a message to all of those trying to help ukraine as we speak. also as we speak, the president is meeting with his top military commanders amid reports that back in mariupol, things are getting dicey. it's hard to get out and if there was any reaction to vladir