to be the one. we showed him earlier. i see him a lot around here. gavin newsom. they may make him do it. we'll see. we'll see you next sunday when "the next revolution" will be televised. trey good evening and thank you for joining us. i'm trey gowdy and it's sunday night in america. when was the last time you used the word conundrum. it's defined as a spatial of partial illumination between the perfect shadow on all sides and the full light. that doesn't help much either. so why am i bringing up a word

we don't hear or use? that word is at the center of the debate on many issues in our country including the upcoming supreme court decision on abortion. they decided a case called griswold versus connecticut. connecticut thought it should be outloud. the court found that's you have a right to privacy in the penumbra or the shadow of other rights. the constitution doesn't mention privacy, marriage or contraception. and thus began a debate that has raged for decades. what are our rights? where do they come from? whose job is it to to he lewis e

elucidate those rates. the tenth amendment says the powers not give to the inure tothe states. do you get to do it through your elected officials at the ballot box or in the public square. or do five justices looking in the penumbra -- or shadow of other rights get to make that decision. what i do know is the issue is not going away. if roe versus wade is overturned, some states will ban all abortions including in the

case of rape, incest and when the life of the mother is in danger. some will allow it up to the moment of birth or maybe beyond in the case of partial birth abortions. education, crime, or the legalization of drugs, but when life begins is not an issue subject to 50 different opinions. the right to life is mentioned in the constitution. no person shall be deprived of life. it's also mentioned on our birth certificate. and the declaration of independence. endowed by their creator with you be alienable rights. -- unalienable rights. democracy is hard it was intended to be hard. it's a privilege earned with the

lives and limbs of others. it's easy to wait for five lawyers in black robes to look in the shadows of a penumbra and tell us what our rights are. it's hard to go into the ballot box or the floor of the legislature and debate it. but that's what we should do and not wait for unelected lawyers who live lives of virtual isolation to do it for us. bring it into the light out of the shadow, that's what self-governance is all about. senator, you are highly trained in constitutional law, so i'm going to take full advantage of that. the constitution does not mention privacy, marriage or

contraception or self-defense. where do those rights come from. are they indeed rights? >> i think the best way to examine the concept of a law. a right is something the government can't do to you. there is nothing in the constitution that identifies abortion as something protected by the u.s. constitution. consistent with the tenth amendment and the structure and the original constitution as well. those powers not granted to the federal government and prohibited to the government are reserved to the states or to the people. those are the same thing. when we reserve power to the states we are reserving it for the people. that's why abortion, while a significant issue of public policy discussion and an issue about which people have strong moral, religious and policy

views, as important as those issues may be. they are not appropriate for policy decision making by five lawyers dressed up in robes. these are matters left up to the people. tray: the word abortion is note mentioned in the constitution. but playing the devil's advocate, the word marriage is not mentioned in the constitution either. so does that mean -- the democrats you know are going to argue this. justice alito's decision will take us back where states could actually forbid marriage or forbid interracial marriage. that's what the other side is going to argue if the position is it's not mentioned in the constitution. >> if you are looking at the supreme court decision that said the state can't prohibit

interracial marriage. that's a different provision of the constitution. that's the equal protection clause. that's something that prohibits the states from discriminating on the basis of race. it's a totally different issue than we are discussing here. -- nothing does that in regard to the constitution. and penumbra is not in the constitution. one of my sons as a joke named his football team the penumbras just for fun. tray: let me ask you about a record that is in the constitution. life cannot be taken absent due

process. it's also mentioned in the declaration of independence. if abortion decisions revert to the states, can you have 50 different definitions on when life begins? or is that because the word is mentioned in the constitution, something appropriate for the court to define? >> i believe that because the issue isn't addressed by the u.s. constitution, it's something that can be worked out among the 50 states and something that should be worked out among the 50 states. and that's okay. a lot of the clamor against the draft decision which i hope and expect will end up being the opinion of the court because it's master any written. i have never been more proud to be a former law clerk to justice alito than i had after reading that wonderful opinion.

all those who are attacking that opinion are suggesting that somehow this is going to be a huge problem. they are saying it's overthrowing democracy. nonsense. this enables democratic processes. if you want to talk about something thwarting democratic processes it's roe versus wade which has taken people out of the equation. another argument is you will have inconsistent protection for this or for that if we allow states to do that. that's federalism. that is the constitution. that's the point. if we are going to allow states govern themselves according to the wills and wishes of the people of the state. it's okay to have a patchwork quilt. there are some things unavoidably federal.

trey: you have a colleague called ed markey that says the leak is no big dale. take a second and tell senator markey why this is a big deal. >> it's huge deal. the whole reason why the court maintains such confidentiality restrictions because the court has one opportunity at the end of each case to render a decision and it wants to make sure by the time it releases that to the public, the 9 justices knows where everyone on the court stands. it can take months to work all that out for each justice to decide which decision to join, and to release this before their work is complete provides an inaccurate snapshot in time and it's not fair to the process.

it will do irreparable harm to the court if it's left there. i talk about this on my website. trey: happy mother's day to you and all the mothers in your life and thank you for joining us on a sunday night. >> thank you, and to you and yours.

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trey: may 9 is the day russia celebrates the fall of nazi, germany. it's weren't lifetime of my parents and perhaps people you

know, too. russia and the united states worked together to deliberate a continent. what a difference 7 years makes. today germany is our ally and russia our enemy. the russian military has not fared well during this invasion. ukraine has put up a remarkable and courageous defense. how will vladimir putin explain away the ineptitude of his military and what's likely to happen next as this war continues. joining us is former cia station chief and fox news contributor, dan hoffman. what should we be looking for tomorrow when putin delivers this address on russian's version much victory day and cot attack on ukraine to intensify? >> i expect the battles in ukraine to intensify in the

coming days and weeks. the terrain is flat. we are look at battles reminiscent to what we saw in the world war. i know our leadership analysts in the intelligence community will be carefully watching him to see if there are medical issues. there are rumors of him having medical issues. specifically what vladimir putin plans on saying, this is right out of george orwell's 1984. the kremlin spews a lot of propaganda and putin will try to make the russians believe the military operation he likes to call it instead of a war has gone on successfully. he will speak of russia having conquered much of southern and eastern ukraine. and they have suffered massive

losses to their own soldiers and ukrainians have destroyed so much russian military equipment including last week reported russia's most advanced tank. russia will try to present a strong appearance to their own citizens. trey: how do you assess the current state of our relationship with russia? it's staggering on the one hand. we work together to liberate a continent. that's within my parents' lifetime. but at odds during this invasion. most viewers are trying to figure out what is our relationship with russia? >> it's not so great. the one thing we accomplished is to get trevor reid back home and that included a great deal of diplomacy. but i can't tell you how hard it

must be for our ambassador in moscow. these are trying times for our relationship with russia. i would emphasize for vladimir putin, for his regime security, being at war with the west by proxy, that's how he frames it, that we are supporting ukraine and we are fighting russia and nato is fighting russia by proxy. nothing scares him more than democracy. he's going to look to china for help. but they only have limited ability to export oil to china. they have unfortunately for them, they don't have the capacity they would like. they are going to lose a lot of money, bad for russia and bad for their economy that they have broken with europe and the west. i don't see this changing unless and until vladimir putin is no

longer in power. may is an opportunity for president biden to get up on the bully pulpit and speak to the russians telling them we are not at war with them. and end the attacks on innocent ukrainians civilians. trey: we both referenced world war ii. russia lost tens of millions of people in world war ii. my sense is the russian people newt enemy, understood the reason for that war. but i will need to have you on another night to have you help me unlock that mystery. happy mother's day to all the mothers in your life. joining us now is the former

governor of the great state of south carolina and the executive director of the u.n. world food program governor beasley. i know you are doing herculean work in ukraine. how big is the challenge and what are your obstacles? >> the challenge is the 30 million people who have been destabilized because of this war. 39 million people are still inside ukraine where millions have been displaced. we are reaching 3.4 million people inside ukraine on the fringes and about it end of this month we'll reach 4 million as this war continues to devastate internally. the external impact around the world will be catastrophic as well. trey: i want to ask you about that worldwide impact.

you are doing everything you can with the people you have access to. but is it also the case that you don't currently have access to the people you need to help? >> trey, i have been to ukraine five times. i was there last week. we are reaching the people where we have access. things are going as best you can hope for. but those areas like mariupol and kherson where we don't have access. we are shut off and can't reach those people. i don't know how they are getting food and they are not doing anything but starving. they may have had a week or two of supplies in their pantry. but this is 8 weeks and people have to be in a desperate situation. trey: it's desperate for the people in ukraine. but as i watched you do other

interviews and read other articles that quoted you, ukraine is the breadbasket for the world. i don't think people know how much grain is produced in ukraine. so this war is destabilizing already, isn't it? >> you and i were talking about afghanistan and i said i didn't see how it could get worse around the world. just when you think it can't get any worse, bam, the ukraine war. this is why it's so critical. this just about ukraine. they are the breadbasket of the world. they grow enough food inside ukraine to feed 400 million people around the world. we buy 50% of our food from ukraine. so the impact is catastrophic. guess where the farmers are? they are on the front lines fighting. they are not planting.

er in not putting the fertilizers and pest sides out. that -- the pesticides out. even if they do get back in the field, they can't get the harvest out of the field because the silos are full because the port is shut down. the infrastructure is not there. so you have catastrophic consequences coming for the entire world. you are talking about the breadbasket, the bread lines and the impact around the world will be dramatic if we don't get those ports open right away. >> i want you to assume there are two different kind of audiences listening to you. what do you need them to do so you can do your job in ukraine?

>> we need to end these wars. and until that happens we are going to need $significant amount of money to reached the people in ukraine and the rest of the world. if we don't, here is what's going to happen. you will have famine but you will also have destabilization of many nations and mass migration by necessity. that will cost a thousand times more than if we can reach people inside the place. the third thing is we need the port to be open. the leaders around the world need to come together. i hope president putin will listen and allow us to operate these ports to bring stability and avert famine around the world. i will be speak united states senate and the united states house. i'm hopeful and confident they will do a supplemental appropriations.

it's one of the few issues that bring democrats and republicans together, appropriations to stablize food security around the world. trey: you did a beautiful job for our home state, but what you are doing for the people around the world who need help is probably what's going to get you to heaven. i look forward to visiting with you soon. >> trey, thank you. let's do what we can to help these mothers and their children. trey: coming up, the border, inflation, economic uncertainty. it's making life increasingly hard for americans today.

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trey: welcome back to "sunday night in america." the border is a political liability for democrats. there are health and national security concerns. the economy seems head to a recession with supply issues and high interest rates and lower retirement funds. it's not just me saying that.

the american people feel they are heading in the wrong direction. what will the fallout be come november and what can we expect if republicans do take the house and the senate? florida senator marco rubio joins us now. you are not a pessimistic person, you are not a nick tough fern. but there seem to be a lot of challenges for our country. what worries you the most? >> the number one priority of the federal government has to be the security of our country. i'm concerned about that in the short term. there are still terrorists who want to kill americans. we watched the carnage that putin has inflicted on the people of kren. and certainly the chinese have a plan the longterm.

but the short-storm mid-term challenges are problematic because the people at the white house are incompetent. the things they are focused on are not the things threatening the country which is why i think the americans will punish them and their allies in november. trey: reasonable minds can differ on this issue for that. i don't recall there being a debate over border security. when did that become a contentious political issue when we have security over our border and we discourage people from risking their lives to come here? i don't remember there being two sides to that issue. >> so thankfully most americans are not politicians. the way they view this issue is through common sense. we have an immigration system.

we are generous. a million people come to this country after waiting a decade on a green card. but we have to have rules and a process on how they come in and when they come in. that's involves telling some people they can't come in. that's why you have a border. they seem to be promoting things that are encouraging people to come here illegally. we have a problem at the border that's going to get worse. the government knows there are hundreds of thousands of people poised to enter the country this summer illegally across the border because they believe they can get across the border, say the magic words, asylum request. they will get a work permit and benefits. it's coming. we'll have a massive surge of immigration. trey: let's take a look at the

economy. the job numbers are okay on the plus side. but other economic markers don't seem to be good. how do you assess the current state of our economy? what does this administration need to do to get it headed in the right direction. >> they said inflation wasn't going to be real. they borrowed money into the economy. we'll have a supply chain crisis coming up. we'll have a serious one coming up. we depend too much on china. shanghai has been shut down for weeks. that will lead to that problem. they have been hostile to oil and national gas. even as people are finding jobs and getting raises, inflation is 30% in two years. 40 something percent for other

things. things people need on a daily basis inflation is way higher than 8.5% and people know that. you buy $100 worth of groceries, it doesn't feel like $100 worth of groceries. >> i think it's important for people to set the right expectations. even if the gop takes the house and senate this november, they won't have the white house. what is the realistic expectation come january with republicans controlling congress but not the white house. >> one is to keep that from happening. you can put away the crazy ideas, the woke ideas, you can put that stuff away. the second is we can pass common sense bills and laws and legislation and measures and dare the president to veto them. what are some of the things we

can begin to do? diversify the supply chain. to encourage things to be made in america or close to america so we don't depend as much on china. we have to overturn executive orders and rule making that made it difficult for american oil and natural gas to stand. also markets will know they don't have to worry about the spending programs. we can do some good things, we can stop it from happening on the things people care about on a daily basis, not check the boxes of every left woke marxist priority. trey: marco rubio from the great state of florida. thanks for joining us on a sunday night.

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trey: welcome back to "sunday night in america." they say behind every successful man is a very surprised father-in-law. but the truth is there is a mom who believed when others did not. my next guests served from the statehouse to u.s. attorney to mayor to chairman and county council. one is a senator. wins on the verge of being the speaker of the house. and one may be the attorney general or secretary of state one day. but they would not have done anything without unconditional love of power mothers. today we honor mothers and mother figures and those whose love and support sustained it throughout our lives. joining us are three men with distinguished careers, but tonight they are simply sons of very proud mothers.

kevin, tell us about your mom. >> my mom is an extraordinary mom. hoopy mother's day to every mom. my mom is always strong, keeps those character lessons when you are growing up. but she also can build you up when you are down. i recently had a trip with my mom. but the most unique thing about my mom is she taught you you can never have too many friends. my mom could be in a room with people she never met that speak a different language and you would walk out thinking they had been friends for life. that's just who my mom is. unconditional love. trey: she did a good job, she passed that trait on to you. puff more friends in washington than anybody i have met. i know your mom. tell us about her anyway, tim

scott. >> happy mother's day to all the moms out there. my mom has been my rock for my entire life. she taught me about faith and having faith in the lord above and faith in your country. my best lesson from my mother is go take the trash out, son. when i come home from washington she says go take the trash out. i say i don't live with you, mom. she says that's why you need to take the trash out. she is my greatest fan but also a good critiquer of who i am. she is a force for good every single day of my life. i get a chance to talk to her a couple times a day every day. trey: she is incredibly proud of you. you don't have to be around you very long to know that.

johnny ratcliffe. tell us about your mom. >> she sees the best in everyone, even you. the successive had is a big result of my mom, kathleen mary cummings ratcliffe. she is one of the kindest, sweetest and more thoughtful giving people, she is one of the smartest people i know. she and my dad were teachers. and she taught us kids and grandkids lessons in life and to be happy. i was years old when my mom said johnny, you think like a lawyer. that was all the encouragement i needed to take that path. when i thought about running for congress my mom was the first person to write a check too my campaign. every single one of her

grandkids without exception would say, mom, gram, you were the one porn who was always there when i needed you most. we don't get to pick our mothers in life but we couldn't have done any better than we did with our mom and frankly we did far better than we deserved. trey: john, well said. i have got to be honest with you. when somebody said you think or act like a lawyer and you are or 7 years old. -- when you are 6 or 7 years old, that is not a complement. i can remember my mom wanted me to run for student council and i didn't do it base was afraid because i thought i would lose and i probably would have lost. but i regret not doing that for my mom. there is something your mom wanted you to do but in hindsight you wish you had but you did not. >> my mother always wanted me to

be a preacher, from the time i was a little kid, i thought one day i was going to be a preacher. when i became a chris glan the 80s i went to a seminary to figure out if i was called to be a pastor. eight wasn't there. so when i went into politics she was like, i rebuke you. it was an 180 degree turn. but now she embraced this call. my mama wanted me to be a preacher. trey: kevin, you are on the verge of becoming the speaker of the house. but surely there was something in your life your mama wanted you to do that you did not done you wish you had. >> my mom wanted me to follow in my father's footsteps and be a fireman. i did it for three summers. i don't know if she thinks i failed.

but she is still proud of me. tell your mom, tim, you may not a preacher but you preach to us every day in the senate. tray were john, you broke your mom's heart and went to law school, is there anything else you did that you wish you could undo. >> that's a tough one. ungowd yesterday who has a disoh both beadent son. as a devout catholic i think she did want me to be a catholic preets. there are some things you can't do even for your mom. trey: all three of you have siblings. each of the three of you told me privately that 2 were your mom's favorite. i would like to give you a chance to say that publicly and tell us why. we'll start with you, john.

>> fortunately, trey, all of my brothers and sisters are smart and politically savvy. and they know people like adam schiff and you president-electly engage in disinformation campaign so i don't think i need to address that. trey: i didn't figure you would. senator, do you want to repeat publicly what you told me privately that you are your mom's favorite or do you want to let that go? >> i will plead the fifth. i will say that my mother is very proud much mire brother who ended up being a command sergeant major in the army. i will that god for your mother on this wonderful day and pivot away from your question. trey: i love kevin so much i won't make him answer this question. to the three of you.

all three of you are so good to my mother. and i am so grateful to you for that. there are times on her birthday when i'm the fourth one out of the four of us to wish her happy birthday. if you all don't stop sending her flowers that look better than the ones i send, i will get written out of the will. thank you for being so kind to my mom and helping us celebrate your moms, and to the two of you, michelle and judy, happy mother's day. and kevin and john to your brides. thank you, we'll talk to you soon. soon. up next, we love hearing from

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>> did you enjoy your time in congress quick. >> i enjoyed the people and working in such a historic place that i am not have been of the modern political

environment i love the people that did not care for the work. it is a mixed answer. the next question is tom from england. >> what is one of your favorite movies to watch and what would you recommend? >> my favorite movie is called the mission. it is older but it is so well done with such an amazing story. if you want to comedy nothing better than fletch. i lot - - watch a lot of miniseries especially crime dramas if you have any recommendations, let me know. next question from belgium. >> why is a political system so divided in the united states quick. >> redistricting as part of it most house seats are one in the primary not in the general election. voters want fighters and i want thinkers i want doers. fame has become the ultimate political virtue and you can

get very famous and rich by being divisive. i cannot say which came first the supply of negativity or the demand for negativity. i can just tell you that we are in a tough spot in terms of a political environment that will only change when the voters say they wanted to change where they say i care how you vote but also how you act. the final question tonight comes from samantha from virginia. >> i would like to know your favorite taylor swift song. >> that is a very tough question for me because i am not familiar with all of her work. i know she is a very talented songwriter and singer but i do not have the requisite expertise to give you an answer beyond the song that i have on my iphone which is with the song with tim mcgraw but in my unyielding search for knowledge i want you to tell me which taylor swift

shaw songs should be listening to? please send us a message if you have a question you'd like to share or e-mail us. thank you for spending part of your sunday with us will be have a great week ahead and happy mother's day to all mounds including my mom and my wife and my a single mom, a nur. mom i love you. happy mother's day. we are going up to fox to sunday. >> an unprecedented room court leak ricochets through washington sparking questions about motive and protests across the nation. the high court looking poised to overturn roe versus wade. today questions about who wouldn't leak the draft opinion and calls for protest as conservative justices homes. in catholic churches, which the white house refuses to condemn it. >> we certainly encourage people to keep it peaceful and not resort to any level of