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>> harris: we are awaiting a news conference from texas governor greg abbott. america once again in mourning. this time grieving the loss of 19 children and two teachers in texas. this hour, we will bring you the latest on the investigation. more on the victims and share the stories of heroism. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here with my co-host kayleigh mcenany and emily compagno. also joining us shannon bream and trace gallagher. parents in uvalde, texas, are
going through unspeakable pain. a teenage killer burst into the robb elementary school about this time yesterday, reports he told the classroom filled with fourth graders that he first went to you're all going to die. police arrived at the scene within minutes. it was just before that, that the rampage ended. a b border patrol agent, an eli member of the border patrol from nearby outpost rushed into the attacker.d took down that killed him. the second, third and fourth graders who made it out alive are dealing with horror, as you might imagine. but they are fortunate today. they are alive. 19 other children, ranging in ages from 7 to 11 were killed. 10-year-old little girl who was killed as she tried to call 911, her best friend was left covered in her blood. you're looking at some of the other victims now including a little boy who had been at an
awards ceremony with his mom hours before the shooting. now, she is mourning his death. other parents were left wondering what happened to their little one? >> we can't get anything. we can't get anything as little as they're ok. they're not ok. or we're still waiting or, you know, no information has been released to any of the parents. >> i've been to the hospital and all the victims there, you know, they didn't identify my granddaughter. >> it's been hours of devastation just waiting and there's no answers. >> one of the parents are saying that there's kids possibly held at the funeral home and that's what brought me over here to find out what's going on. i'm confused and worried. trying to find out where my baby is at. >> harris: those situations have moved forward now because parents provided d.n.a. samples in order for authorities to now have identified all 19 children
and two teachers. in fact, this hour, as we did on "the faulkner focus," we'll continue to get pictures and information on those victims and as we will, as always, we will say their names. bill live for us in uvalde, texas. bill with the latest. >> bill: harris, good afternoon to you. we are learning more about the firearms that were used in this horrific mass shooting. texas state senator john witmier telling fox news he got a briefing from the a.t.f. and according to that briefing, the a.t.f. says the shooter purchased two a.r. style rifles at a local gun store here legally. one on may 17th, one on may 20th. that would be the days leading town this shooting. one of those rifles was found in his vehicle crashed here at the scene. the other rifle was found inside of the school. according to senator witmeier, a.t.f. tells him on may 18th, the suspect bought 375 rounds of
556 ammunition. they also apparently found seven 30-round magazines that were left inside of the school. the shooter also brought a backpack full of ammo that he dropped at the front of the school. so that's brand new information we're getting from a texas state senator briefed by the a.t.f. and we'll go into the rest of the details we're learning now. as you take a look at this video of the shooter entering the school yesterday. again, identified as a local 18-year-old here in uvalde. he was seen going in with a rifle. we are told by texas d.p.s. that he shot his grandma in the face shortly before this shooting. he then crashed his car at the school and the video shows him walking inside with that rifle. he went into a fourth grade classroom, barricaded himself inside. killed 19 children and two teachers inside. and as you take a look at more children evacuating the school. video showing those children being led away by law enforcement. again, most of the kids at this school are 7, 8, 9, 10-year-olds. it's second, third and fourth
grade. horrific for them to have to go through it. the grim news is, again, we're showing that shooter went into one single classroom and just started shooting indiscriminately and almost all the casualties are inside that single classroom. take a look at more video of the massive law enforcement response. all evening yesterday, we were talking to parents who were desperate to find their children and, unfortunately, today, we are now in contact with those same families who have gotten the grim news that their children did not survive this shooting. take a listen to what one local resident here had to say about what happened. >> yes, i do, but the names have not been released so i don't know which ones lost their children. and i know most of the folks here in uvalde because i used to be a city councilman, former city councilman. so i know most of them. and they're good people. good folks. and my heart goes out to them and condolences and very sad day
for uvalde. not only today but the days to come. >> bill: and harris, the latest update that we have from texas d.p.s. is there are still 17 people who are injured right now. some of them very seriously. that includes the suspect's 66-year-old grandmother. again, she was shot in the face. we're told she is in serious condition in san antonio. there is also a 10-year-old girl who is in san antonio being treated there also in serious condition. and i'm very sad to report that last night, we were showing a photo of a 10-year-old girl in a softball uniform. her grandpa was looking for her. she said she didn't want to school that day. they told her head they had to. we learned from the family a short time ago elijah did not survive the shooting. >> harris: let's pray for that family member. our children often say they don't want to school today. i hope he doesn't ride through life in any way, shape or form
this wasn't his fault. it wasn't. he could not have known. thank you very much. i'll come to trace gallagher that have done tremendous reporting on this. trace, i was watching you from home yesterday as we went from two known dead children to 14 and we stated that number for quite sometime. they were working mightily to do something that was irrespective and should have been of the media. they were concentrating on the families and trying to give them the news as contemporaneously as possible. >> trace: you look at the numbers now, harris, as bill was saying you have 17 injured. there's 19 children killed. you have two adults. if you go back to the sandy hook shooting where you had 26 7-year-olds killed and six adults shot and killed. that's the worst primary school shooting in u.s. history and who knows what the days and weeks ahead will bring for those in hospitals right now. i mean, this could get close to that level. but you have to wonder as we
watch this thing and we're covering the breaking news all day yesterday, you wondered what happened? i mean, what was the timeline here and how long did it take police to respond? remember, that he shot his grandmother. the reason he was living with his grandmother is because he had a falling out with his drug addict mom. he shot his grandmother. he got into a car that his grandfather says he couldn't really drive because he didn't have a driver's license. he was apparently being chased in some capacity by law enforcement and then he crashed that car near the school and he got out and he went inside that school and he had enough time to open fire on these students. and the wondering is is where were all the police because uvalde, the school district says, they have a robust reinforcement program with these school resource officers and the question is, where were they? and you're going to see a lot of investigation in the days ahead about how long it took to respond. and why was the border patrol the first on the scene? they are the predominant, you
know, enforcement system in that area. but still, they're going to be questions about how long it took and what happened in the meantime, and when that border patrol agent and that tactical team went in there and finally killed the shooter, how many minutes elapsed? that will be a key part of this entire investigation. >> harris: you're asking important questions. i had one and trace, maybe you know this. i've been reading this teenager knew which door potentially would have been unlocked. now, what we would hate to hear is if they were all unlocked. what i've been reading is that no, he knew where to go. i know his grandmother had worked there until 2020. >> trace: yeah, yeah. i'm not sure if they can pull this up, harris, this is something the school gave out. and i want people to know this because they're saying this school had really good security measures. they had four officers in the school district. case managers, social workers, social media threat monitoring, motion detectors, alarm systems,
perimeter fencing, security cameras, locked classroom door policy, staff and student training. you look at the video, the fencing is four or five feet. you can hop over that. there does not seem to be this robust security system in place and i think when you can walk into a door of 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11-year-olds, that is a problem wherever you are in this country. >> harris: a lot will come forth i'm sure with the investigation. and i interviewed texas attorney general last hour. he'll throw some resources from his office as well. we'll see. shannon? >> shannon: i think we just when something like this happens, we're grief stricken. we are heart broken. and we are desperate for some kind of explanation. there will not be one. there's nothing that can ever really give us a mind into this kind of evil. but, you know, trace mentioned this kid, how troubled he was. the difficult circumstances that
he had. he was clearly in pain and used that to unleash just absolute horrendous evil on other people. "the washington post" did a deep dive into his background and people they found who said he was very troubled. his mother was struggling with drug addiction. his grandmother was actually in the process of trying to evict her from the home where she lives because apparently, the grandmother owned that home. no mention of his father. the last couple of years kind of dropping out. scaring other people. scaring friends. very short lived friendships because people were immediately worried about things that he said and did and cutting himself. it feels like in retrospect, there were so many red flags. this kid desperately needed help. nothing again will ever explain the sheer terror and devastation he's wreaked. it helps us ask questions, where were things missed? how in the world can we look for other clues in other cases? >> harris: we saw what shannon is talking about one of the victim's relatives, one of the teacher's relatives was saying, you know, what things were missed because it's a small town.
they all see each other. what didn't they all see? >> i think they are all questions especially since this suspect posted on the social media profile. what was missed? what red flags were there that went unanswered or unaddressed? this shooting happened yesterday about 12:30 eastern time and 11:32 local time. we were sitting on the air and discussing whatever political issue of the day was. these kids were at their desk and their lives about to change forever and i just want to take a moment. there are many victims, as we know, but two of them whose stories i've been able to dig into. one was xavier lopez, 10 years old. he was looking forward to a summer of swimming. you know, two days from school ending and this little boy was just ready to go out and swim and be a normal kid. he was very bubbly, he loved to dance with his brothers, his
mom. and this has just taken a toll on all of us. xavier, of course, is the child whose mom was at the school hours before this happened. another little girl amerie jo garza, this little girl is a shooting. when a shooting happens when any of us don't know what we would do in those circumstances, this 10-year-old girl picked up her phone and called 911. and she lost her life. and her grandfather says thank you for the prayers, her father, rather, and help trying to find my baby. she's been found. my little loved one is now flying high with angels above. please don't take a second for granted. hug your family, tell them you love them. i love you, amerie. and last night, you posted a bible verse that i think said it all. that everything that needs to be said, matthew 19:14, but jesus said, let the little children come to me and do not hinder them for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these. they were sitting at their desks, but 20 minutes from now yesterday, they entered heaven.
>> harris: i have not heard my words read back. that's all i have. i was looking at what was on social media and it was breaking my heart that people felt so hopeless. so i tweeted that. just maybe somebody might see it. emily? >> emily: i echo the heartbreak here and my heart goes out to these families who endured the unendurable yesterday and i keep thinking of those families who had missing children for so long and had to wait for that inevitable news that their child had gone to heaven. i can't imagine what that pain was like and what that conclusion was like. and kayleigh mentioned two of those children, amerie garza and xavier's lopez and xavier's grandmother said it's so hard. you send your kids to school and you think they'll come back home and they're not. i live near a school and when i go to work, i pass always at the same time. a lot of the students being walked to school by their parents. i looked at all of them today
and saw the expressions on the parents' faces and i can't imagine what that feeling is like in this moment today for millions of americans who are carrying the burden and the tragedy and the pain in empathy and sympathy for the community of uvalde there and thinking to themselves, but what if this is the last time? how is this supposed to be the final good-bye for my 7-year-old, for my 11-year-old? my heart just breaks and my deepest prayers for all of those families there in uvalde, for all of them. >> harris: i apologize for breaking down. i was on the air, i think we were on the air together on the day of sandy hook. and i said 26 dead on that day. never again. look at where we are. we'll be right back.
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>> kayleigh: as we pick up the pieces from yesterday's horrifying massacre at a texas elementary school, we are learning new details about the shooter. the investigation and the hero border patrol agent that brought down the gunman. border patrol agents were among the first to arrive and found the shooter identified as 18-year-old salvador ramos barricaded inside a fourth grade classroom. local police tried to get in but they were shot at and wounded. an agent with an elite tactical border patrol unit was able to get through. he shot and killed the murderer. retired acting ice director tom homan on that unit. >> the unit is a highly trained unit like the swat team for most
police departments. these men do a lot of extra training and they are the highest train agents in the patrol and they respond to situations, life and death situations, barricade situations with a shooting on the border. this unit, thank god, was nearby so at least one of the guys was age to get in there and take the subject out before he killed anybody else. >> kayleigh: a lieutenant with the texas department of public safety joins us now. hi, how are you? >> good. good afternoon. >> kayleigh: good afternoon. lieutenant, there is a report from the associated press from an anonymous law enforcement officer that this one border patrol agent rushed on to the scene before other law enforcement got there, by all reports he's a hero. what can you tell us about that? >> right, first off, we want to continue to offer our condolences to the victims, families and everyone here in the uvalde community.
also, our first responders that were on scene. first ones that were actually were able to be on scene and make entry into the school and also save numerous lives that could have been lost because of this evil shooter that was killing mass children and teachers inside that school. but going back to your point and what you mentioned right now. so initially, there was a school police officer that was on scene that responded to the scene when the initial call came in. that school police officer here from uvalde was -- exchanged gunfire with the shooter. he was hit, he was shot by the shooter. the shooter was unable to make entry into the school and barricade himself the classroom. that's when he started shooting numerous children and teachers. as of right now, we have 19 children that are deceased as well as two adults that are teachers and 17 injured. at that point, the rest of the officers -- the rest of the officers that responded on scene, local officers, state officers, everyone that worked together responded on scene breaking windows around the school, trying to evacuate more
children, more teachers. at that point, they were at a disadvantage and no way they were able to make entry into that classroom. but they were able to save more lives by rescuing and evacuating children and teachers. at that point, there was a specialized tactical team comprised of u.s. border patrol as well as local police department officers here in uvalde. they made forcible entry into that classroom. that agent was met with gunfire and he was hit but was able to shoot and kill the suspect and also to preserve any future loss of life in that classroom. >> kayleigh: lieutenant, heroes, all of them. i want to make sure i heard you correctly. this is new to my ears. the school police officer had a lone altercation back and forth with the suspect before he entered the school? >> right, kayleigh, so the initial call after the shooter shot his grandmother. he fled in a vehicle in which that vehicle crashed nearby the school. the initial call that came into the police department is there was a crashed vehicle and the
individual with a rifle making his way into the school. at that point, prior to entering the school, that local police officer was able to exchange gunfire with that shooter. but at that point, he was shot, unable to stop that shooter from going into the school. but again, just another act of heroism from this actual police officer that was there, just true bravery from all local law enforcement, federal partners as well responding to the scene. goes to show you the intent from this evil shooter having no regard for human life. >> kayleigh: one final question. i only have a few moments here. with regards to the shooter, "the washington post" out with details about a troubled home life, self-harm, social media posts. have you been able to independently confirm any of that? >> we have not been able to confirm that. right now, our texas rangers are the lead investigative unit in this mass shooting. any information that i receive, i receive from them. i have not been briefed as far as that information. i know the stories going out there right now, information on
social media. but that has not been confirmed by our agency. of course, we have -- we are working closely with the f.b.i., a.t.f., all the local police departments here with the schools as well trying to identify any motives or any indicators prior to the shooting. >> kayleigh: thank you, lieutenant, department of public safety has done a heroic job. your entire community of uvalde are in our prayers. thank you very much. >> thank you so much. >> kayleigh: harris, coming to you. that's some new information that i heard about the local school officer. i mean, we're picking up the pieces slowly but surely. >> harris: we're starting to see the resources and this goes back to what trace was saying, you know, the timeline will be so important to see this and why is that? because you might not have thought this but, in fact now, we can start to quantify. maybe not with exact numbers. but those men saved lives because all of that took the
gunman's attention for even just seconds, right, he didn't -- you know, we don't know why he went to that fourth grade classroom. it was the first door that he would have come in contact with. that's what i've been told outside of, you know, breaching that unlocked door. but potentially, he might have hit other places, other classrooms. so we know they made a difference and, of course, that elite border patrol agent took him out. but it's important to know that timeline. >> kayleigh: trace, seconds, they saved lives. >> trace: they did save lives. i would also ask if there was a confrontation between the campus police officer and the gunman and we had been told number, a number of times that the school was on lockdown, how do you walk in a door? if there's a shootout between a campus police officer and a gunman, how is it possible for this guy to not get on -- not only get on campus but walk into a classroom? classrooms are taught, every school goes through this, it is an active shooter drill. they're taught to lock the doors and hide under desks. there is a protocol, and i'm
just wondering what the -- what the protocol there was and how come this drill wasn't put into effect and what happened in those seconds between the shooting and between him getting on campus and walking into that fourth grade classroom? >> kayleigh: yeah, lot of unanswered questions. all right, coming up, we will talk live to a former secret service agent who is now the chief of police at a university. we'll talk to him about the security measures the uvalde school district already had in place prior to the tragedy next.
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>> emily: the uvalde school district did have a number of security measures in place but the gunman was still able to get inside the robb elementary school and barricade himself inside a fourth grade classroom where law enforcement says "he shot anyone who got in his way." police, though, were on the scene quickly breaking windows at the school, helping other
students and teachers to escape. joining us now for his take, retired secret service agent, presidential detail and currently the chief of police at robert morris university. thank you so much for being with us today. what can you tell us on your thoughts right now? >> well, my thoughts right now are that when you look at the security that was put in place at the school in uvalde, security is a layered approach. and you have all those layers in place. if any of those layers are faulty, then your security is going to break down. so when i read about all the assets they had. they had s.r.o.'s, they had fencing. they had an entry system for guests. but when i look at the fencing, it looks only to be about four feet high. that's easy to defeat. so when you say you have a layered approach, all those approaches need to be strong or your security is going to be compromised.
>> emily: and you as the chief of police at a university right now, what then is your approach? what are the things that you can -- the measures that you can put in place to try to prevent something like this from happening? what do you do differently there at robert morris university? >> well, one of the things we do is we talk about things like this all the time. the men and women that i work with, we are always discussing these types of incidents. and one of the things we talk about is the maybes. we had a situation a couple of weeks ago where the subway shooter in new york city, we found out he drove right past the gates to our university as he was making his way from wisconsin to new york. so we talk about hey, what if he would have stopped here? what would our response have been? not only do we train physically but we do the mental reps and we have the conversation abouts what are we going to do? other part is we make sure as much as we can that we know whoever is on our campus is supposed to be here. we're very aggressive and we work with our residence life
folks to make sure if there's people that aren't supposed to be on campus, they aren't here. >> emily: tell us the difference about strategy in law enforcement, if any, between an elementary school and a university where you are right now. does the elementary school, do they require a heightened sense of protection, then, or so different because the training, obviously is so different for them, if at all? >> well, once an event happens, the response is going to be exactly the same. and we saw that response change from columbine -- after a little bit after columbine and then even more so after virginia tech. the old model was you waited until more officers got there and then you responded. now, it's we're doing exactly what that border patrol agent did yesterday. even if it's just you by yourself, you're running to the sound of gunfire and you're going to try to eliminate the threat. so that response once the trigger is pulled is going to be the same. but the training is different. so we have talks with our students here and our staff about what to do in an active shooter situation. when i consult with schools, i do that, too, but it's tough to
do that for kids who are the elementary age. it's sometimes just to advance for them. at that point, you try to train the staff and the faculty that they'll be dealing with. >> emily: final quick question, what is your message to the community? >> my message to the community is look, people don't just snap. there is a clear line that all of these assailants leave on their path to violence. and you've heard me say it before every time i've been on with you. see something, say something. if you see disturbing writing, people are obsessed with mass shootings, they're gathering weapons, you have got to make sure you're telling someone who can intervene and do something about it before we have these tragedies. >> emily: thank you for your service and your time with us today. bringing it out to the couch now, shannon, you spoke earlier about how we have reports of the shooter, how he was a loner socially and the few former friends that have spoken up to the media, they've talked about how their interactions with him were limited to the past. as you identified, they sort of
saw disturbing behavior on his part, self-harm, violent rhetoric, provoking into fights. and so they lost contact with him. so it seems from what we know so far, at this moment, he was totally isolated by his own choice. >> shannon: yeah, that's something a number of different acquaintances and people in the neighborhood had said. he was drawing away from himself, he would blow up the relationships of people that would be frightened by him or offended by him. there were clearly red flags all over the place. the talk about the schools. we had a school security expert that i talked with last night who said when you try to talk about things like single entrance and exit, that's a big thing to do in a lot of these schools. but you have to worry about what if there is a fire? and other emergency where people need to quickly exit the building? there are so many small, precise, you know, needles that you have to thread. but those technologies and those options are there to try to help these schools. >> shannon: that's right. if you see something, say something. up next, a father whose daughter
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your other son, craig and it wasn't until about 11:00 p.m. that day you heard the tragic news. what is that like? what are these parents going through? >> kayleigh, good to see you again. and you had dedicated your first book to my daughter, rachel, and served on our board of directors at rachel's challenge so we've appreciated that and appreciate your relationship with us. if you take the horrible winding road back to every school shooting, it leads back to columbine. and eventually leads back to my daughter who was the first of close to 200 students now that have been killed over the last 23 years. and the -- my wife and i yesterday were in tears. we were -- we were experiencing with those parents who had lost children what they were going through because many of them didn't get official word until much later in the day, and for us, it was the next day. and one of the most horrible
things is not knowing. we had called every hospital. our only hope left by 5:00 that evening was she had been shot and wounded and was in a hospital somewhere. and that's a horrible thing to be thinking. but it wasn't until noon the next day we got official word. we knew by that night that rachel would have contacted us if at all possible. and so our hearts are broken every time we hear about a school shooting and we feel not only for the loss of the children but for the loss of the parents that are experiencing what they're going through because we know what that feeling is all about. >> kayleigh: a lot of people want answers, you know, how do we stop this from happening? darrell, one part of the answer, in my view, is rachel's challenge, organization you started after you lost your daughter and i read her journals growing up and i think the words that she wrote in those journals provide a lot of answers about what needs to happen in our country now. here's what she wrote, darrell. compassion is the greatest form
of love humans have to offer. i have this theory that if one person can go out of their way to show compassion, then it will start a chain reaction of the same. people will never know how far just a little kindness can go. i want you to tell us a little bit about rachel's challenge which has averted eight school shootings, averted 150 suicides per year. you've reached 30 million people and it's all based around rachel. she traced her hands and said these hands belong to rachel joy scott and will some day touch millions of people's hearts. she touched millions of people's hearts including my own. >> yes, she did. she continues to do so. we have nine full-time employees in mexico and we're reaching 20,000 kids currently there in the guatemala area plus around a million to two million each year here in the united states. and i don't know of any other organization that can say they've seen 150 suicides prevented every year or that
they've prevented eight school shootings. there's eight school shootings we know of that would have taken place if it hadn't been for rachel's challenge. and there's two sides to the coin when it comes to prevention. most of the focus that we have is on hardening the target. making it more difficult for people to get into school, etc., and that's a necessary part. but the other side of the coin is softening the heart. there's hardening the target but there's softening the heart. and our whole mission is to soften the hearts of young people because most of these school shootings are done by students themselves who go to their own school and do the shooting. and the eight that we've seen prevented is all students who had plans in their school to take the lives of other students. and they were touched by rachel's challenge in their hearts and some of them turned themselves in. some of them were turned in by some of their friends. and to me, that's the emphasis that we put on it is reaching out to young people, hitting
them with the emotional impact in our assemblies. we do trainings that then create meaningful connections between students and then we end it with purposeful action. we give them projects that they can do and follow up with and we see tremendous success from that. >> kayleigh: absolutely. thank you very much for your wise words and all the great work that you've done. your daughter will never be forgotten. she was an angel here on earth. >> thank you, kayleigh. >> kayleigh: thank you. shannon, i think that's exactly right, compassion and love for one another is what we have to get back to. >> shannon: absolutely. and we know that this shooter was somebody who was ostracized and bullied over his stutter and a lisp at least digging into the background from "the washington post." nothing will fully explain or begin to give us any real comprehension about this happening. but clearly, he felt ostracized. the home life was a disaster. you know, the people were saying in his neighborhood there was constant fighting and trouble for him. he had no stability in his life.
and when you feel completely ostracized and there's no one reaching out to say what is going on in this kid's life? could i be a father or mother figure? could i mentor? could i report him, he needs mental health help? we are so reticent sometimes to get involved in other people's messy situations. i think this last 24 hours has shown us we are called to do that and to prevent these kinds of things in whatever way we can. sometimes that means getting involved in people's lives that are very broken. >> kayleigh: absolutely. more "outnumbered" next. ♪ ♪ dry eye symptoms keep driving you crazy? inflammation in your eye might be to blame. time for ache and burn! over-the-counter eye drops typically work by lubricating your eyes and may provide temporary relief. those'll probably pass by me. xiidra works differently, targeting inflammation that can cause dry eye disease. xiidra? no! it can provide lasting relief. xiidra is approved to treat the signs and symptoms of dry eye disease.
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>> harris: we are expecting the governor of texas greg abbott to arrive and to address the families and his state of texas and the whole nation will watch that. we'll cover it live here on fox newschannel and as you can see from the little bug in the right-hand side of our corner, section of our screen, we're expecting that to happen about 1:30 p.m. eastern. again, we will carry that live. i do want to go back to uvalde, texas. lawrence jones has been on the ground since this morning. and lawrence, there's so many questions about the timeline, so on and so forth. i want to concentrate on the human element of this in terms of the victims. what can you tell us?
>> it's tough, this is a small community and they didn't expect anything like this and honestly, there's not really that much crime or anything like that. they have a small police force. very close knit community. a lot of immigrants come here they're living the american dream and you have someone that is wounded in their heart, went after their grandmother. if you go after your grandmother, you'll pretty much go after anyone and he brutally murdered not only these children, but these two teachers as well. so, you know, the moment i arrived on the scene, i traveled all through the my. we tried to get a flight in. it was storming so bad and as i came into the city, there were crosses everywhere, churches everywhere and they were all just glowing. and i was struggling because i was like what am i going to tell the country about all these -- i've been reaching out to my sources and all that. but there is a certain peace here as well. i think the people here are determined not to allow this situation to break them. but they are grieving.
i mean, whenever investigators can't even notify, you have to wait into the early hours to know if your child made it or not because they have dismembered so, that tells you what they're going through. you know, on a personal level, talked to some of my sources within the police department, within the texas rangers, some of them have been pulled off the investigation because it was just too much, what they witnessed at the crime scene. >> harris: i can only imagine. >> it just shows you, it's not just the community, it's the law enforcement as well here. >> harris: we haven't heard this yet and i would be curious to know and maybe the next time we see you, lawrence, we will know whether or not the, you know, responding officers, any of them, border patrol, any of them would have had children at that school because, as you mentioned, it's a very small community. there is a great chance that some of those officers would have a personal connection to that school. not that you would need one for your heart to be broken. but it would be doubly hard.
>> i can confirm -- i can just confirm there's some sources that are federal agents that are in this area that kids were at that school. >> harris: oh, my goodness. lawrence jones, thank you very much. reporting from uvalde, texas, today. emily, i go to you as we round out the show. >> emily: thank you, harris. i have to say, you know, as we learn about the assets that that school district had in place, four officers, a chief partnership with local law enforcement agencies, licensed counselors, threat assessment teams, a threat reporting system, so much more, too much to read here. i just question what went wrong. what holes were there that needed to be filled? where could the community have -- i include myself in that, prevented this terrible tragedy? shannon mentioned mental health. there's a lot of questions we have as this horrible tragedy develops further and we learn details and what we do know at this point is that we are praying mightily for the
families in the community there in uvalde. >> harris: definitely, trace, down in florida they have baker's law and if somebody is in trouble, you know, they have 72 hours to, you know, help that person. we know from "the washington post" reporting and others that there was a whole lot to see with this young man. >> trace: there were. and i would note there have been 50 new laws since the shooting in parkland, florida, and one of them is a red flag law and you've talked about it a lot. my question would be how in the world would you background check an 18-year-old red flag legally? and the answer is very difficult. >> harris: in terms of that. i mean, with the friends that describe to "the washington post" they would go out at night and try to shoot people with a b.b. gun and this guy was doing this. that sort of thing. cutting up his face to the point where he said it was for fun. all right, our prayers, as always, with uvalde. and now, we want to thank everybody for watching. "america reports". if you're a veteran, own your home, and need cash, call newday usa. i'm tatiana, here to say you can get an average of $60,000 with the newday 100 cash out loan.
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uvalde texas, texas, the governor will speak about the school shooting massacre. 19 students and two teachers were all killed inside one 4th grade classroom. 17 others were hurt. >> john: mark another tragic day of mourning in america. i'm john roberts in washington. this is america responds. exchanging fire with the barricaded gunman and breaking windows to get others out. and texas rangers look for a motive behind the attack. 18-year-old gunman was reported a loner with few friends, and plenty of problems at home. >> sandra: texas d.p.s. chris oliveras with more on what we are