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gunfire, they have to go in there and see that horrible, horrible scene and some of them are struggling with it. back to you. >> john: bill, thank you. great coverage today and yesterday as well. >> sandra: thank you, bill. >> john: it's a sad day for america. sad day for us here at fox. >> sandra: horrible. thank you very much for joining us. i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. "the story" with martha starts right now. >> martha: thanks, guys. breaking right now on "the story," in a moment that was fraught the excruciaing loss and when the nation is asking what is happen something why is there so much suffering? such serious mental health crises, more danger that we are witnessing it seems everywhere you turn. breakdown of community a loss of family, a loss of faith in many cases. as the governor of texas tried
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to address the pain in uvalde a short time ago saying this about these precious children who were killed in their classroom. >> days before yesterday, when these children were at school, some were receiving awards for perfect attendance. these kids will never attend school again. >> martha: the governor went on to talk about what happened at the school to lay out the facts around this, to bring clarity to some of what they are now learning. suddenly there was a disruption in the room. caught everyone's attention. a heckler that produced a heated and immediate response from the stage. watch this. >> you're out of line and an embarrassment. >> sit down. >> you're doing nothing --
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>> this is not the place to talk this over. >> this is totally -- >> sir, you're out of line. you're out of line. sir, you're out of line. please leave this auditorium. i can't believe you're a sick some of a bitch to come to a deal like this to make a political issue. >> that man in the back of the room -- that is beto o'rourke, by the way who ran for senate. he's now running for governor against greg abbott who was yelling. beto o'rourke was yelling. you're offering us nothing. that man yelling him in the end, that was the mayor of uvalde that was on this morning. i don't know if you caught the interview with him. he was obviously very emotional about what's going on in his town right now and he didn't appreciate this outbust. we'll show you the rest of that whole exchange shortly. it was a shocking moment.
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very unsettling. we'll talk about the political ramifications of that. first, we want to get you up to speed on the information that we just got in this case. jeff paul joins us live from uvalde. >> yeah, martha. we're learning from texas governor greg abbott that there's no advanced warning signs when it comes to the shooting other than social media posts that were made 30 minutes prior to the massacre. according to the governor, he says the shooter, the alleged shooter, made a post about how he was going to shoot his grandmother. then he made a post how he did shoot his grandmother hand the post that he was going to shoot up an elementary school. from that point on, officials say the suspected shooter crashed his truck near robb elementary school and entered the school and barricaded himself in the fourth great classroom, this is where texas dps says all 19 students and two
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teachers were killed in that very classroom. eventually law enforcement broke through and got inside the classroom killing the suspect. governor abbott credited the law enforcement officers that responded without hesitation. >> the reason it was not worse is because law enforcement officials did what they do. they showed amazing courage by running toward gun fire for the singular purpose of trying to save lives. >> martha, there was an interruption after governor abbott gave us the update. at one point we logged what was sort of said by gubernatorial candidate beto o'rourke. he said this was totally predictable and the governor was doing nothing. he's escorted away by police.
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martha? >> martha: thanks, jeff paul. joined by chris oliveras. good to have you back on the program. thanks for being here today. >> good afternoon. >> martha: i'm curious if you have any comment when beto o'rourke entered that room. your thoughts on that. >> well, martha, i don't want to get involved in politics at this time. but that was out of line. i do agree with the mayor's assessment from uvalde in that particular incident. it was out of line and disrespectful in the press conference and at this time of mourning to the victims and the families morning the loss of their children and everybody else involved. it's uncalled for. >> martha: there's been a lot of discussion. when we see these horrific moments and you want them to stop, you never want this to happen again, you ask about school resource officers and whether or not there were armed
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individuals on the campus to prevent such a thing from happening. can you take us through -- there were these kinds of officers there. can you take us through their role in this? how many there were on this campus. >> right, martha. we're trying to make that determination how many school resource officers were at this particular location or if they were at this location. we know at times school resource officers do roam around from school to school nearby. but in this particular instance, there was a uvalde school resource officer that was on scene prior to the gunman going into the school. there was an encounter with the school resource officer and the shooter. because of those efforts and because of the encounter from that school resource officer, that gunman dropped a backpack full of ammunition before going in the school. so by taking more ammunition in the school prevented more
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casualty, more mass shootings that could have taken place, which would have been a worse situation. >> martha: was the officer armed? >> yes, martha. that's what we do know right now. we're trying to corroborate all of that information, as far as the role that he played. what i can tell you what we can confirmed based off this investigation, he did encounter the shooter and was able to stop that shooter from taking numerous ammo into that school building as he barricaded himself in the classroom. >> martha: the shooter purchased 375 rounds of ammunition. he had two weapons. one was an ar-15. they're estimated $1,800. he purchased them on his birthday. no word on how he had the means to do just that. thank you very much, lieutenant chris olivarez. i know you have a lot on your plate. our hearts with all of you there.
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thanks for joining us. thank you. >> thank you, martha. >> martha: so with that, let's bring in retired fbi agent phil andrew. he as a child survived being shot by a mass shooter named lori dan that broke into his family's home in 1988 after she had killed six children at an elementary school north of chicago. thanks for being here. you've certainly had a lot of exposure to this in a number of ways, through your work at the fbi and personal experience. what are your thoughts as we learned about this situation and this shooter as we look at the profile of these people, we have to figure out how to unwind this before this happens again. >> well, martha, this follow as similar pattern where we learn that there were some preincident indicators in the hours and purchase an acquisition of the weapons, that this was somebody
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in distress. perhaps despondent and disconnected from the community. those sometimes prevent intervention opportunities. what we've learned in the 34 years since the incident i was involved in is that roughly 2/3s of incidents that involve mass violence like this have some preincident indicator that presents an intervention opportunity where law enforcement, community, mental health, school officials, largely in coordination with each other have an opportunity to intervene and off ramp this individual's behavior before the shooting starts. >> martha: when you look at the parallels of these individuals -- i read about this again today as we do these stories. paranoia is a classic presentation in these individuals. sometimes -- in some cases it overlaps with some of the things that we used to see in serial killers. we see more of this mass murder event, used to see more serial
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killers. in cases where they have mistreated animals as young children, that they live in an isolated environment, family break down in many cases. give us a window what it was like in your family's home and this woman who had -- she had shot at six people, didn't kill all six in this school and then came into your house. what was that like? well, one, my mother, father and i knew nothing about what had taken place. she came into our house, presented herself as kind of a hostage seeker pointing again at us. you know, we really just responded being it was our home and shocked by this with questions. slowly we were able to convince her to let my folks out. i was with an opportunity to make an attempt to disarm her. i was unsuccessful and shot in
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the right side of my chest and nearly killed. i managed to get out of the house before she took her own life. that very much follow as similar pattern that we've seen in the last 34 years where somebody ripped a -- had a demonstrated behavior, anti-social, lack of coping skills that acquires weapons, amasses a significant amount of ammunition and has a plan for executing an act of terror on the community. it's really at those places where we have the opportunity for intervention. in this case, as tragic as it is and as awful for all the family, the first responders and the community dealing with this, law enforcement did everything that they could in responding to this. it's really -- when we get down to the split seconds where the
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dangerous weapon in the wrong hands can cause a lot of mayhem in near seconds. so even with local school response like we saw here, even with kind of hot pursuit from other law enforcement, we still see a lot of carnage. that is why we have to start looking upstream for the intervention opportunities. leveraging red flag laws to take guns from people until we stabilize them. using background checks. really digging in t coordinated community intervention so that we meet somebody where they're demonstrating their needs long before we get to the point where they're planning an attack against the community. >> there weren't a whole lot of red flags here unfortunately. you know, people say why was he able to purchase these guns in such large -- in such a large amount of ammo in his first purchase as a 18-year-old that just turned 18. what do you think? where was the red flag? where was the moment to stop
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this? was it on the gun side or mental health side? what do you see? >> we need to be holistic and comprehensive in this. it's not just one thing. we just look at the risk factors of allowing unfetterred access to teenagers to dangerous weapons, that creates risk. now, that can balance out. obviously we've got young people that are serving in the armed forces in very controlled environments where there's supervision, responsibility. people grow up in environments where they're trained with hunting. a family tradition. in many cases, there's no training, there's no background check and there is no culture that is indoctrinating people in safety and also giving folks an opportunity to see that maybe somebody needs some help. the other indicator that really has a strong nexus with mass
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violence is domestic violence. i'll be interested as this investigation unfolds if we do find that there was either -- he was the victim of or the perpetrator of some form of domestic violence that could give insight into future violent behavior. >> martha: a good point. he lived with his grandparents. we don't know anything about where his mom and dad are. phil andrew, thanks very much. retired fbi agent. very good to have you here, sir. thank you. >> thank you, martha. >> martha: so a shocking outburst from democrat beto o'rourke enrages texas officials. watch this. >> you're out of line and an embarrassment. >> sit down and don't play this stuff. >> you're doing nothing right now. you're -- >> get him out of here. this isn't the place to talk this over. >> sir, you're out of line. sir, you're out of line. sir, you're out of line. please leave this auditorium.
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i can't believe you're a sick son of a bitch that would come to a deal like this to make a political issue. ? a lot of emotion. we'll bring you that full with ken paxton standing on the stage behind the governor when this happened. he will explain it from his perspective coming up next. people with plaque psoriasis, are rethinking the choices they make. like the shot they take. the memories they create. or the spin they initiate. otezla. it's a choice you can make. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, you can achieve clearer skin. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. otezla can cause serious allergic reactions. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. some people taking otezla reported weight loss. your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. tell your doctor about your medicines
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>> excuse me. excuse me. >> sit down. >> you're out of line and an embarrassment. >> sit down and don't play this stuff. >> you're doing nothing. >> no. he needs to get out of here, this isn't the place to take this over. >> sir, you're out of line. sir, you're out of line. sir, you're out of line.
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please leave this auditorium. i can't believe you're a sick son of a bitch that would come to a deal like this to make a political issue. why don't you get out of here? >> martha: there goes beto o'rourke. he once ran for president, senate. now he's running for governor against governor abbott. you can just sort of feel that it was very tense obviously in that room. very emotional to begin with before this even happened. then beto o'rourke walked in and started to yell at the individuals including governor abbott and lieutenant gorden patrick that were on the stage
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there and talking about this massacre, horrific massacre that everybody is trying to absorb the pain from and the grief of. joining me now, ken paxton. he was on that dias, on that stage this afternoon. attorney general, first of all, we're so broken-hearted about what has happened at this school and we see the pictures of the children. it's unfathomable. it's awful. beto o'rourke was obviously upset about what happened, decided to make his feelings known and walked in there today. what is it like from where you stood? what was your take on it? >> yeah, i understand that beto has differences of opinion with the governor and many of us on the stage. it's okay. there's a time and place for that. he made the argument this is the right time because we lost this children. it was really a bad timing situation for him. coming into that situation where i believe that it's a time for
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us to all be united. the focus on parents, the focus on the kids, the focus on the people that have suffered as opposed to exposing our political differences, which we do have plenty of time to resolve tomorrow, the next day. today is about supporting these families, not about fighting each other. >> martha: here's a little bit of what he said when he got outside and explained himself. watch this. >> it is absolutely wrong. in fact, it's insane. the governor talks about mental health. it's insane to allow a 18-year-old to buy an ar-15. what the hell did we think he was going to do with that? this is on us. >> what do say to governor abbott that says this is not a time to make it political. >> now is the time to stop the next shooting. right after santa fe high school was the time to stop the next shooting. right after el paso was the next time to stop the next shooting. >> martha: the governor used the word evil to describe this shooter.
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clearly he was unstable. he put on social media 30 minutes before, i'm going to shoot my grandmother and now i'm going to shoot an elementary school. so does he have -- what do you think about what he says about why this person was able under our current laws to go in and by this weapon, two weapons? >> look, i don't think you can stop as the governor said all evil from occurring. people can get guns. i don't think that's going to change. we're going to have people that can have access whether -- this guy is not going to follow gun laws. you can pass all the laws you want. if he's going to kill somebody, he's not going to follow a gun law. we need to fortify our schools, make it harder for them to get in. have people there that are trained to protect these children. that's what needs to happen. we need to put more police officers in there, let's do that. let's train some of the people that are there. we have laws in texas that allow
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for this. we need to have the school districts doing this on a regular basis if not everywhere in texas. >> martha: i heard one dad that lost a child in a school shooting today, how is it that we have $40 billion to send to ukraine and we can't spend the money it takes to provide security to our schools in we have security all over our football stadiums, airports, everywhere else. he has a point. he said we've seen el paso, santa fe. so when will this become a priority to make sure that these kids are safe? there were officers on this campus. one officer confronted him on his way in the back door. >> yeah, look, i agree with you. i agree with what this parent. we're spending this money on ukraine. i think we need to protect our schools. if we have the will, we can do it. we can't stop every evil accident but we can do a lot better than what we've been doing. >> martha: all right. attorney general paxton, thanks
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for being here. obviously very tough time in texas. very tough time in the country we learn more about these children and teachers that didn't ask for this. they were going to school two days before summertime. when we come back, we're going to take you back -- thanks to attorney general paxton as always. back to the durham case in the d.c. courtroom. because we have an update on what is developing in there at this hour. every day we learn more than we did in the two big ticket probes in to this matter. we learned that the fbi agent that was assigned to investigate george papadopoulos that was sent to jail for 12 days in this case, papadopoulos, that the agent in charge of his case is now himself under investigation by the fbi for how he handled it. george papadopoulos here exclusively next.
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>> martha: very interesting. an fbi agent that investigated claims of collusion between donald trump and russia during the 2016 election is now himself under investigation. his name is curtis heide. he's testifying at the trial of former clinton campaign lawyer michael sussmann. he revealed in his testimony that the fbi is investigating him for withholding a recording that could have been exculpatory
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investigation. he left something out of a fisa warrant. it's not clear which recording he's talk about. it could be george papadopoulos. denying that he had any contact with russians to get dirt on hillary clinton. seems like a fairly important piece of information. he joins me in just a moment. first, to david spunt with a significant piece of new evidence that has surfaced in today's courtroom proceedings. hi, david. >> hi, martha. that evidence is one line and one piece of paper. it's an invoice from september 2016. it may be one of the most crucial pieces of evidence in this trial against former clinton campaign attorney michael sussmann. john durham and his prosecution team, they rested their case earlier today. their final witness was a parallel for special counsel john durham. she discussed new evidence that
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clearly indicates sussmann billed his clients, the hillary clinton campaign, for 3.3 hours on september 19, 2016 for what was called a work and communications regarding confidential project. september 19, 2016, martha, is the same day that sussmann went to see fbi general counsel james baker at the fbi to tell him he had some ed of a secret back channel between the trump organization and russia. there's no reference to the 30-minute fbi meeting on that invoice. sussmann's attorneys say in the past when he met with the fbi on other subjects, he wrote the letters "fbi" on his invoices. sussmann's attorneys said it's possible that he spent three hours working on campaign items and rightfully billed the campaign. his attorneys argument the -- argue the fib meeting was separate.
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and you mentioned heide. he was involved in the trump russia connections. he was in the court. he was under investigation by the fbi for his handling of evidence related to crossfire hurricane. related to this specific trial, he told jurors that he asked supervisors multiple times for the source of information about a potential connection between the trump organization and alpha bank, a russian bank with kremlin ties. the source was listed as the department of justice, not a clinton campaign attorney that once worked at the department of justice. right now sussmann's team is on the stand. i just spoke to our colleagues. they say there's back and forth on whether sussmann himself will testify. if he does, it could be as soon as tomorrow. martha? >> martha: we'll watch for that. thanks, david spunt reporting with that, we bring in george papadopoulos, author of "deep state target" how i got in the
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plot trying to bring down president trump." welcome. you're trying to live your life but here we are as this story surfaces. the agent handling your part of the case and the person who they sent out to speak to you to try to find out what you knew is now being investigated himself because he left out something that might have exonerated you or carter page, part of the same thing. tell me what your reaction to that is. how do you feel about hearing this? >> thanks for having me, martha. great to be with you. this is an incredible twist in this long-running saga that i like to call a trilogy. we're in the final chapter of this trilogy. the first chapter was mueller. and then i.g. horowitz and now this final chapter, which i believe is finally going to present the truth to the american public of exactly what really happened during the 2016 campaign. i also believe that hillary
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clinton, the democrat party, you shouldn't have been involved in this trial. now the fbi itself is sweating because of this new revelation that john durham was able to get out of this testimony from agent curtis heide who was not only part of the clinton e-mail investigation but he apparently was also in charge of my so-called case. and what is very interesting about all of these fbi agents and lawyers part of my case, the first person that was found to be guilty is now a convicted felon. he was the lawyer in charge of my case. now the fbi agent, curtis heide, is testifying in open court that he's under a criminal investigation from withholding evidence that i now understand and know what he's talking about. it had to do with a recording -- >> martha: what a shame.
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we got him back. >> -- he was spying on me for four hours and i told him i had nothing to do with the russians, this information was withheld. and he will face account ability because of that. >> martha: this is the billion dollar question. why? he's an fbi agent talking to you. you gave him some information. he might not have believed you that doesn't matter. he leaves that out. so who told him to leave it out? who was -- if indeed he was trying to craft a certain narrative in order to keep surveillance going and get these fisa applications approved, where did this plan or narrative come from? probably didn't come from his own head. >> well, another very important piece of information that has come out during this trial -- this is much bigger than a single line that the fbi charged. what durham has been able to present to the american public
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due to testimony, hillary clinton herself was instructing her campaign to commit crimes on her behalf. going and spreading disinformation to the fbi, the way that michael sussmann did on behalf of her has now levied this charge against him. we also know based on the evidence in this trial that the seventh floor at the fbi, the leadership under comey, was "fired up" about this potential lead in to trump and russia. so i don't think of course that agent heide was running point or leading this investigation. we of course know that in a very politicized leadership led this investigation. hillary clinton herself instigated it. the fbi agents pursued it to no avail. the key question moving forward is, will they willfully dooped or did they accept this information to defraud the fisa
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court. >> martha: seems like he's on an interesting chain here. the other big question -- so you have this agent who potentially is sort of crafting his way through what you've told him and getting rid of the things that didn't work that you told him in order to keep the surveillance going of two members of the trump advisory group between you and carter page. then you have the agents testifying. so i was told to look into all of this, to look into any connections between trump and alpha bank. i was told, these agents say, that the source of this information was the department of justice. but it wasn't the department of justice. it was michael sussmann who had hired someone it appears through this evidence, who hired someone to cull through numbers, to see if they could find any narrative in their words, any connection to impress the vips that hired them at the clinton campaign that there was a connection. in other words, find me some
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numbers that connect something in trump world to something in russia's alpha bank. if you can find that -- when they turn it over to the fbi agents and say can you take a look at this, they don't say it came from michael sussmann even if he's not there on behalf of a client, they say it came from the doj. who would direct them to say that? >> this goes exactly to the key question in terms of intents regarding the fbi's egregious conduct and illegal behavior in targeting the 2016 campaign. to the fbi, willfully take information that they knew was tainted, to obtain these fraudulent warrants or -- we gnaw know another big development out of this trial that agent heide stated that there was some sort of mistake that occurred, that the fbi made this mistake at the height of the presidential campaign to omit the fact that their information came from sussmann
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and not the department of justice, which would have forced a different situation when trying to trigger a credible invest combination into the trump campaign or trump tower. what i think this is all leading to is hillary clinton herself. i believe she's going to have to be deposed moving forward into this investigation by john durham and finally understand what she knew and when she decided to forget it and why she decided to instruct her campaign to commit this potentially illegally behavior. >> martha: a being different when they put a file on your desk saying this came from the doj, the boss, please look into it or this came from a guy that walked in off the street and say he wasn't working with anyone. he was working on behalf of himself. so george, thank you. george papadopoulos. good to see you today. thanks for coming today. >> thank you. >> martha: more than 100,000
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pounds of infant formula arriving in the united states this afternoon. top fda officials and executives from the three formula manufacturers, only three main ones, four if you count all of them, explain why american families are struggling in this situation. how did this happen in the united states of america that you can't buy baby formula at the grocery. they're warning relief in this situation is still several weeks away. the fda commissioner says americans should be concerned after it took near live four months from the time a whistle-blower wrote a 34-page document on unsanitary conditions in a factory in michigan to get all the way to the person at the fda that was supposed to get that information. >> the fda's timeliness of interviewing the whistle-blower and getting into the facility for a for-cause inspection were too slow. some decisions in retrospect could have been more optimal.
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>> martha: that's one way to put it. reaction from the former fda commissioner, dr. stephen hahn in a moment. first to lydia hu. hi, lydia. >> lawmakers are trying to get to the bottom of this and see how our country could have a shortage on this critical supply of food needed for our nation's most vulnerable. the questions of dr. robert kaliff focused on the timeline and the closure of abbott's michigan plant. lawmakers asking why it's taking four months after an inspection of the plant in late january to reopening it, which is now scheduled for january -- excuse me, for june 4. still, it's going to be weeks, possibly months before americans see baby formula fully restocked on retailer shelves. >> we're now importing, we're flying military planes and other planes to pick it up and bring it in. we just have to keep filling in
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until we get to the point that production is up. >> currently about 45% of the nation's baby formula supply is out of stock. some states like virginia, it's much higher. 58% of the supply out of stock there. so the increased supply that -- of imported formula arriving this afternoon, it can't come soon enough. the fda has also approved about two million cans of formula to be imported from the u.k. that will hit retailer shelves sometimes next month. meanwhile, executives from abbott and other baby formula manufacturers are testifying this afternoon. so far they have apologized to the american public and they say they're increasing their production capacity. >> martha: thanks, lydia. former fda commissioner dr. stephen hahn joins me now, ceo of harbinger health. thanks for being here. >> great to be here. >> martha: i'd like to start by
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playing this moment with president biden when he was asked about these delays and why it took so long to get on top of this situation. watch. >> martha: some of the stuff that you and your administration are taking now include loosening these import requirements next week. could you have taken those steps sooner before parents got to the shelves and couldn't find the formula? >> we move as quickly as the problem became apparent to us. >> martha: so he says if you're a mind reader, you might have seen this coming. besides that, there was no way to know. what do you say to that, dr. hahn? >> first of all, it's acknowledging this is a serious problem. there's no way that american families should be facing this shortage of infant formula. the system was under pressure for a while from supply chain government policy and other issues. so the concentration of manufacturing of infant formula
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in a relatively few companies combined with the supply chains and the shut down of this plant led to this situation. this highlighted something that we need in the food program and other medical programs in government agencies. that is let's be proactive about it. let's not just be reactive. let's monitor the simply chain, look into the underlying factors why this happened and try to prevent things from happening like this in the future. that is really constructive and a positive way of moving forward here. now, importing formula from europe is important to phil the gap but we need to prevent this in the future. >> martha: but dr. hahn, there was a way. in october this whistle-blower wrote a 34-page document. seems to me that took quite a bit of time and energy. the american people say wait a second. you have an agency, the fda, which is under hhs, which is run
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by baceria. and then close to four months later they figure out this plant is shut down and there's a problem at it. they have 18,000 employees at the fda. $6.5 billion budget. it's fair to say the american people say we better get it right next time. shouldn't somebody be fired for dropping the ball on something so essential to american families? >> martha, no question about the fact that the american people, all of us should be expecting better. that's what i meants. let's look into what caused this. let's make sure that we have the changes. i can't comment on someone being fired. what i can say it's not okay that there was that period of time that the whistle-blower complaint didn't get to the appropriate people. let's figure out what it is, solve the problem and do better than what we've done. you're right about the american people and their expectations. >> martha: it's a huge disappointment.
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>> martha: among the children killed in uvalde, texas, 10-year-old elijah torres. here in her softball uniform. her family telling fox that she didn't want to go to school yesterday a couple of days from the end of the school year. just hour before the shooting, 10-year-old javier lopez received a certificate at the school's honor roll ceremony.
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his mom said he couldn't wait to go to middle school. this is uziah garcia. his grandfather was teaching him football plays over spring break. and rosa arremendes niece is one of the children that was lost. her daughter also attends the school. she's safe. and rosa joins us in just a moment. first, to alexis mcadams. >> you almost cry when you see their faces. they're smiling, happy, ready for summer. i talked to a family member of a teacher shot and killed. the family member called her a hero. she was gunned down doing what she loved. she was shot and killed at robb elementary school. the fourth great teacher worked there nearly 20 years. she loved her job and her students. police detailing a chilling series of facebook posts where
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the gunman said she was on his way to shoot up the school. the family wants to know what red flags were missed. >> this is our family. who did not see a sign that someone was struggling with their mental held, that was so disrespected in life that we didn't catch, that someone was on a spiral down? ask more questions. tell people. because i'm not kidding. that could save lives. >> those are photos of the 5 of 19 kids that were killed. garcia's family describing the little girl who is ready for summer break. >> she was very happy. very outgoing. loved to dance and sing and play sports. she was big into family and enjoyed being with the family. >> and family members tell us
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other students that were just down the hall heard the gun fire. some of them tried to escape. witnesses describing that scene. >> i just heard like seven or eight pops. i was like oh, my god. right away i thought of my grandkids. >> this is a tight knit community. most people went to this elementary school and all know each other. funeral homes in uvalde know the victims and their families. this families will not pay a penny for the funeral expenses. >> martha: thanks, alexis. rosa is a life-long uvalde resident. she lost her niece yesterday. fortunately her daughter is safe because rosa picked her up early from school. rosa, thanks very much. i can't imagine how difficult it is for all of you to endure this and to talk about it. but tell me a little bit about your own experience.
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your daughter, your family, your niece, what you're going through. [ audio difficulties ] >> martha: can we work on that audio, guys? rosa, can you hear me now? yeah, sounds like we're having trouble. we'll try to reconnect with rosa. obviously there's a lot of moving parts and a lot going on in these people's lives. joining me on the set is jonathan morris, a former catholic priest here to give us a perspective which is hand to find, jonathan, as a fox news contributor joining us now as well. how do we wrap our heads around this? >> i heard some other family members say like how was this missed? i don't think this is primarily on government. right? it's on us as members of society. there's too many young people today whose minds are a mess and
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whose hearts are empty. we're going to hear a lot from politicians, from other talking heads and even if you just go on your facebook and people saying the answer is so simple. it's this or that. that is binary thinking. it's this or that. complex illnesses sometimes require more than one medicine. i think we have to recognize that as a society today with all of these young people whose minds truly are, many of them are a mess and whose hearts are empty, we have to make sure that they don't have access to things that can destroy a lot of people. that's a hard thing to figure out how to do. let's be honest. mental health, right? bad parenting. communities that are not aware of what's going on. in school, are we picking up the signs of these kids. social media, the bullying that is going on, the emptiness, the fact that the faith has been
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silenced in our country. silenced. right? so in other words, things that give meaning and purpose in life, they're not pressing. a lot of my work right now is in executive coaching and working with ceos and senior leadership teams. there's a responsibility in business as well to make sure that employees, right? are being treated with respect and dignity and when they go home, they're able to take care of their kids. their teenagers. right? the world is complex right now. we have to recognize there's no simple answer and we should not allow politicians to get away with this one thing will fix it all. if you don't agree with me, you're on the wrong side. >> martha: i saw a lot of quotes of people that were living there saying things along the lines of feels like the world is broken. >> it is. no a lot of brokenness. and i think about covid, i think about the isolation. i look at the numbers this
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morning. i went back and looked at the mass shooting numbers rising in 2021, 2022. this is a trend. we heard so much about there's a lot of mental health illness right now because of this isolation. i'm not pinning it back to this one things, the pandemic. but maybe it's not surprising that now we're reaching the culmination of those years of terrible isolation and pain. i want to know what is going on in this person's family. i haven't heard about a mom or dad. i heard he lived with his grandmother who he shot in the face. i don't know where the grandmother is. i feel like -- i agree. we don't talk enough about faith. some of the most powerful images that i saw in the aftermath on this, i saw a priest putting his arms and a family and talking to them. then i saw women holding their hands. you know, raising their heads to the school and praying.
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i thought this is the moment when people turn to this. right? but is it enough in the fabric? maybe it is in this town. there's a lot of hispanic people that live there. maybe deeply faithful. how do we get that back? >> there's an amazing -- maybe you're familiar with it. an amazing back "man's search for meaning" by a jewish man that lived through terrible times during auschwitz. he said the ones that survived auschwitz are the ones that had meaning and purpose in life. meaning and purpose. it wasn't the ones that got treated better or those that were like had -- were happier for whatever, had more pleasure. it's those that had meaning and purpose. this 18-year-old killed, what was his meaning and purpose in life? he got to a point that he didn't value his own life or the life of others. there was no meaning and
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purpose. i think what do i have to do? i know there's two people that i need to call later today. i talked to my wife about this. two young people that i know that are in tough situations in their own families to reach out. we can solve this in particular on our own. we can decide we're going to do what we can, whether it's politically or socially, individually to make a difference in individual people's lives. because if you have no meaning, no purpose, you don't care about life. >> martha: you're right. we can all think of someone to reach out to and that may be the best thing we can do. this is mitch mcconnell on the floor of the senate a short time ago. watch this. >> fervently that in the midst of this nightmare of grief, our heavenly father will make manifest to those families his promise in psalm 34. that the lord is near to the
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broken-hearted. >> martha: that's true. >> it is. we know that prayers -- listen, this is not on god. it's on us. prayer is powerful. god didn't make this happen. right? god didn't make -- prayers are -- say god intervene in our reality. now let's do our part politically and socially individually. >> martha: thanks very much. that's "the story." >> the first post was to the point of he said i'm going to shoot my grandmother. the second post was i shot my grandmother. the third post maybe less than 15 minutes before arriving at the school was i'm going to shoot an elementary school. >> the


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