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>> it is. we know that prayers -- listen, this is not on god. it's on us. prayer is powerful. god didn't make this happen. right? god didn't make -- prayers are -- say god intervene in our reality. now let's do our part politically and socially individually. >> martha: thanks very much. that's "the story." >> the first post was to the point of he said i'm going to shoot my grandmother. the second post was i shot my grandmother. the third post maybe less than 15 minutes before arriving at the school was i'm going to shoot an elementary school. >> there's kids possibly held at
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the funeral home. that's what brought me over here, to find out what is going on. it's confusing. i'm worried. trying to find out where my baby is at. >> it's okay, it's okay. >> she didn't want to go to school. >> she didn't want to go to school. >> what are you hoping right now, sir? i know you love your granddaughter. >> she's alive. >> neil: unfortunately his granddaughter did not survive. one of 19 children killed as well as two adults and they're still trying a day later to understand how it is and why it is salvador ramos, 18 years old, went on this rampage. welcome, everybody. i'm neil cavuto. this is "your world." authorities the worldover now trying to get a sense of what happened in a state, at a moment, at a time and understanding and trying to
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prevent it from happening again. yet it does happen again and again. we're taking a look at not only the latest from the shooting scene, but what we're learning about the shooter. nothing that stood out of his background, no arrest record, no criminal record at all, no juvenile delinquent record that we know of. just a lonely, isolated individual that was picked on in school, stop me if you heard this before, and angry. very angry. angry enough to gather seven, eight, nine-year-olds in a single classroom and shoot them indiscriminately for no reason. the latest on what we're finding out about how that went down with jeff paul in uvalde, texas. jeff? >> yeah, neil. in a city of 16,000 people, you would be hard-pressed to not find someone that somehow has an indirect or direct connection with this shooting.
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just walking around here, driving around uvalde, you can get a sense that this community is very much mourning as they try to grasp the reality that 19 kids and two teachers have been robbed of their futures. we're learning according to greg abbott that the suspected shooter made some writings on social media about 30 minutes prior to the shooting. one writing he said he was going to shoot his grandmother. 0 another one he said he shot her. in a third, he said she was going to shootsed up a school. then he crashed his truck and barricaded himself in the classroom where all 21 people were killed. the aunt of one of those victims says she can't understand why anyone could sell that type of gun used by this 18-year-old. she's trying to remember her 10-year-old niece, but it's incredibly tough right now.
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>> sandra: . >> during the news conference where governor abbott was giving an update, it was interrupted by gubernatorial candidate beto o'rourke. he said the shooting was totally predictable and the governor was doing nothing. beto o'rourke was then removed by police where he gave some interviews just outside of the news conference. neil? >> neil: thanks very much, jeff paul with the latest on that. we should also note that we're waiting to hear from the president of the united states. he addressing police reform on this day. we'll probably be talking about the violence that unfolded yesterday in texas. but it comes at a time where this order on now changing and reforming how police go about things on the near two-year anniversary of the george floyd killing might be a case of tone deafness. that's what we're hearing from a number of people. this is coming up at the white
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house. the timing is an issue. lucas tomlinson with more. >> neil, this event was long planned. the president is expected to speak any minute here to outline his vision for police reform. it's notable this only applies to federal officers, not state and local police. here's a few of the highlights. it create as new national database for police misconduct, mandateses the wearing of body cameras, bans the use of chock holds unless deadly force is authorized. according to the fbi, the u.s. murder rate rose in 2021. the federal law enforcement officer's association applauding biden's executive order but issued the following warning no law enforcement agency can succeed without staffing shortages and without the experience and expertise of senior law enforcement officers. morale issues plague many issues
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harming recruitses and encouraging early retirement. a news poll shows 54% of the country favors tougher penalties for gun crimes to reduce violent. 33% want tougher restrictions. a majority of the poll has disapproved of the way he's handles gun and crimes. and the president says he doesn't want to defund the police. >> the answer is not to defund the police. the answer is to fund the police. >> after the parkland shooting, florida raised their minimum age to purchase a firearm from 18 to 21 and institute add three-day waiting period. rick scott was governor at the time. neil? >> neil: thanks very much, lucas. he just reminded you of the parkland shooting. andrew pollack remembers it well. it included his daughter that was gunned down in a hallway in that rampage. he had a chance to speak with me
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a little earlier on fox business to talk about the timing of the president's remarkses to crack down on policing behavior, this is from andrew pollack. >> we have a president signing an executive order going after police officers. which is ridiculous. how about an executive order for these mental health facilities that didn't put backgrounds on these mentally sick people that are evil? how about they don't give them a background? so any gun law in the country will never show up when they go to purchase? >> martha: what -- >> neil: what is unusual when you talk about the two-year anniversary of the george floyd killing, to call for police reform, he's talking ant limiting the use of force, banning choke holds, restrict no knock entries, require body cameras and all of that.
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i think the timing is a bit odd if not almost insulting. >> well, look who stopped that shooting. if it wasn't for -- i think it was border patrol or police went in and stopped it. we want to give police the right tools to do the right job in schools and mass shootings. we don't want to tie the hands of the police. >> neil: all right. andrew pollack on that. he lost his 17-year-old beautiful girl, meadow, some four years ago in that parklands will shooting. it does come at a time when some people are assessing what is happening right now and in this environment where rising crime is going on. is this the right moment to be looking at this type of reform? joe joins us, retired new york police department lieutenant. what do you make of that, joe, this idea to crack down on police behavior ordealing with
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the arrests? i'm not minimizing the importance. but so soon after this disaster and the dramatic spike in crime whether its ill timed. >> absolutely ill timed. he could have put this off. he's the president. he could say no, i'm not addressing this today, tomorrow or the next day. let the incident in texas play out with the funerals and then address it. it's not like it's going by the wayside. they will never let that go by the wayside. if you want to see what's wrong with this country, look at president biden and beto o'rourke. beto o'rourke is a disgusting human being for what he did today. that was uncalled for. nothing but political grandstanding. that's what's wrong with this country. right now the focus should be on what happened in texas and how we can go about helping the people down in texas and avoiding this in other cities across the united states. but no, they're going to use it for political gain and that is what is wrong with the country today. they had the focus on the wrong
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issues. all right? they'll use it to get elected an when they get elected they'll create more havoc. who gets caught? the good people like in texas. >> neil: you referred to beto o'rourke. he said this is on the very people around the governor and the governor himself for encouraging the use of guns and providing almost a thirst for guns that created this crime wave and this violent wave that we've seen across the country. the governor was quick to point out today that there are more shootings in a weekend in chicago than there are in any of these school shootings that we see pop up around the country on a given day, including texas. what did you make of that? >> you know, i agree with the governor. he's in a tough spot. but he's doing what he should be doing. he's helping the people in texas trying to get a grip on what happened yesterday.
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this isn't a second amendment issue right now. although you can come back to it and say this person should have been on the radar. how did the governor -- how did this fall on the governor's lap that this person decided to take it upon himself to create havoc? this is something that somebody saw on social media and should have said something about it. had law enforcement known about it, had he been brought up before and somebody say this is a crazy rant, maybe it means something, maybe not, give law enforcement the opportunity to stop it from happening. the fact that he put it out there and nobody is saying something is the bigger issue right now. the guns come into play and how he got into the school is another issue. all of that has to be addressed. to just dump it on the lap of one individual is wrong. >> neil: got it. thanks, joe. we are finding out more about that the tik tok on this shooting and how it all went
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down. it is interesting to note that there was a number of conflicting records as to whether a school police officer was on campus when ramos showed up, the 18-year-old behind these attacks. and bill melugin was reporting earlier on this, that they confirmed there was indeed a police officer on site that exchanged gun fire with the shooter. separately we are learning that the officer was injured in this gun fire. but that's when the shooter was able to run in to the school, barricaded himself in this classroom where the shooting began. almost all killed in this attack were killed in that classroom. let's get the latest on all of this from sergeant eric estrada. i know you have had a crazy schedule. we appreciate you joining us now. have you learned anything new, you or your men and women, about where and how salvador ramos
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showed up at this school? >> yes, sir. some of the updates that we're having right now, we did a brief history on ramos, on his criminal history. he shows no gang affiliation. he shows no background as far as criminal record goes. he did have a juvenile record as we heard the governor in the director talk a little bit about. but one of the things that we know is that there was two different incidents that occurred. one was whenever he did shoot his grandmother who is still in critical condition right now. she got airlifted to a nearby hospital. the second incident is when he crashed here in the property by the elementary school where he was able to access a door on the rear of the school and was able to do inside the classroom and unfortunately barricaded himself inside that classroom where he started shooting inside and outside towards the officers responding. we're glad the officers did respond. other officers, border patrol and other federal agencies did
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respond to this certain incidents and were able to evacuate some students that were locked in the room. he did manage to end the life of 19 students and then two adults that were inside that particular. >> neil: sergeant, do we know why that school was targeted? i know he dropped out of a nearby high school. what was his connection to that school? do we know? >> so right now we're looking at the motives. we're looking at his social media accounts along with fbi, atf that are helping us with this investigation and other federal agencies that are here during this investigation. we're trying to locate a motive, why he decided to drive from his grandmother's house towards the school and this particular school. now, we learned from the press
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conference that our governor just gave out and the director there that he did show up in his social media saying that he was going to a school. he didn't specify which school. but it's still under an investigation as far as his connection to this elementary school. >> neil: with the shooting incident involving the grandmother, do you know if police were called to that scene and what the time gap was between that incident and his arriving at the school? >> right. we don't have a specific time frame when he did arrive. we know it's from a close proximity from the grandmother's house, residence, to here to the school. so we don't have time frames right now. how i said in my previous statement, we're trying to investigate what it was his motive to come to this particular elementary school. >> neil: but nothing that he had
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done besides the social media postings, some minutes before the shooting began, nothing indicates that he was on your radar or other legal radars that could clue you in to what might be unfolding? >> right. this must have happened within minutes whenever he started posting these social media posts. it was within minutes of each other. so i believe he did three different social media posts. one where his intention to shoot the grandmother, the second one where he shot the grandmother and the third one where he stated that he was going to an elementary school to shoot inside the elementary school, however this did not come in time to local law enforcement. so i'm guessing it was within minutes. >> neil: sergeant estrada, thanks very much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> neil: as tragic as this
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shooting was, this was the 27th such school shooting this year. the third deadliest at the virginia tech incident that killed 32 and some years back in sandy hook where 26 largely children, grade school children were killed. we should point out that 75 have been killed in texas mass shootings in the last five years. that was the attack line of beto o'rourke saying this governor has done little to stop that. as the governor pointed out, these shootings as horrific as they are, pale in comparison to what happened in big cities in a typical weekend. chicago comes to mind. with all of these shootings, the victims pile up and so do the a grieved and now at a loss parents. you heard from andrew pollack. you'll continue hearing from him. someone else that lost a young child in another disaster at another state at another time
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>> neil: you know, there's been many school shootings in this
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nation's history but not many targeted at elementary school kids. what happened in robb elementary school that claimed the lives of 19 children, two adults sounded early familiar what happened in sandy hook a decade ago when 26 lives were snuffed out in a single moment. there's been erie comparisons and parallels between the two, including the attacker killing a relative before going to the school on a rampage. in the case with salvador ramos trying to kill, shooting in the face his own grandmother. in ten years ago, the assailant killed his mother before going to the school to kill many more. my next guest knows about this experience. she lost her beautiful bill dillon in sandy hook. she's the ceo of the sandy hook
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promise and works to end gun violence and address these tragedies even as they keep happening. it's an honor to have you. thanks for taking the time. >> thanks for reaching out. >> neil: i was touched by the message of what you talk about when you do talk about this, that our hearts are broken. our spirit is not. you cite these as the first words of the sandy hook promise. you said they convey our pain and commitment to turn tragedy to transformation to others. so as a mom that lost a beautiful child, what do you tell these other moms and dads that are going through exactly what you did? >> well, sadly over the last ten years, i've had that beset honor of addressing family too many times. it doesn't get easier. a lot of times i'm just there to listen to them, whether they're angry or sad or just want to know what might be coming next.
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often i just remind them that every one's path is very unique and individual and to not judge anyone or allow yourself to be judged by your choices of how you choose to deal with this, with the loss and to lean on the support of those that love you, your family and community that are there to hold you up. you need that more than you realize and to just give yourself the space to go through this your own time. because it is beyond painful. it's an enduring pain that never goes away. however, there's a way through it eventually to find a new way forward, which is what's been fortunate enough to do in my life. >> neil: andrew pollack lost his daughter in the parkland shooting. he said there's no rhyme or reason to the victims in that
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shooting as there was to the one that took the life of your son. and that parents have to be vigilant. it's the kind of thing that is preventible if you are aware of the surroundings, if you become actively involved in your school and knowing what they're doing. he would have thought that inthinkable before the shooting. i'm sure you would have before the shooting you had to endure. what do you think of that? >> for the last ten years, my organization has been focused on teaching youth and the adults around them how do you recognize the someone that might be at risk of hurding themselves and how to take action. through that we managed to avert hundreds of suicides, at least nine planned school shooting plots and thousands of mental health interventions and bullying and social isolation. so we know this works. we also advocate to ensure that
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when someone is in crisis, that they don't have easy access to weapons. that's where you get the perfect storm. as this investigation unfolds, this is what happened in park land, this is what happened in sandy hook. as we learn more about what happened at robb elementary school and the shooter there, we might find that similarity existed there, too. >> neil: where can you find signs of a troubled individual that might inflict harm? many cases you don't know until it's too late or it happens too soon, right before the shooting as appears to have been the case with salvador ramos. so time is of the essence. sometimes there's no time at all. >> sometimes there's not a lot of time. and then there's the overt
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threats like on social media that people are recognizing now. i have guarantee for having studied this for so long now, this would have been an escalation of signs or preindicaters that this was something that could be on a path towards self-harm or violence. that is what we teach, really upstream violence prevention. getting to someone well, well before they get to the point of making that overt threat or picking up a weapon to hurt themselves or someone else. >> neil: nicole, you've been very patient. we're learning president biden is outline ago police reform type of act here. doesn't address school shootings per se. we'll go to him shortly. he does say that he plans to travel to texas in the coupling days. i know president obama had come to your son's school very soon after this horror. how important is stuff like that to you, that those in charge, those leading the country or state, leaders in general reach
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out? >> i think it's important because it shows their empathy and humanity in those moments. that's what is needed and that chance to people directly to the leader of your country and say this is what i want you to do. this is who my child was. look at this picture. take action. it's been an honor to have worked with several presidents to create some action. i think it means a great deal. but then you have to rely on them doing something. that's not just about the president. it's about the senate and the house as well as state legislation. and our leaders, those that we elected into office, need to deliver on promises to keep our constituents safe. that means all of our children as well. >> neil: thanks, nicole. very nice having you. i'm sure that brings up all of those horrific memories. nicole hockley, co-founder and
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ceo. we were mentioning the president of the united states and he's outlining a police reform bill. he's indicated right now that he does plan to visit texas, the site of this shooting. let's listen to the president. >> look, almost a year later -- [applause] almost a year later a jury in minnesota stepped up and they found a police officer guilty of murdering george floyd. a police chief taking the stand to testify against misconduct of their colleagues. i don't know new good cop that likes a bad cop. but for many people, including many families here, such accountability is too rare. that's why i promise as president i will do everything in my power to enact meaningful police reform that is real and
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lasting. that's why i called on congress to pass the george floyd justice and policing act. [applause] so i asked why i haven't done this executive order earlier? if i did it, i was worried i would undercut the effort to get the law passed. this is a call to action based on a basic truth. public trust as any cop will tell you is the foundation of public safety. if not trusted, the population doesn't contribute, doesn't cooperate. two sides of the same cane. the wheels of justice are propelled by the confidence that people have in their system of justice. without that confidence, crimes go unreported.
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witness fears come forward. cases go unsolved. police are put in greater danger. justice goes undelivered. without public trust, law enforcement can't do their job of serving and pro techeding all of our communities. as we have seen too afternoon, public trust is frayed and broken. that undermines public safety. the families here today and across the country have had to ask why this nation, why so many black americans wake up knows that they could lose their life. of course just living their life today. simple jogging, shopping, sleeping at home. whether they made headlines or not, lost souls gone too soon. members of congress including many here today like cory booker and congressman karen bass alongside members of the
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congressional black caucus, house and senate judiciary committees spend countless hours on the george floyd justice and policing act to find a better answer to that question. i sincerely thank you for your tireless efforts. they're not over. [applause] house passed a strong bill. it failed in the senate. our republican colleagues opposed any meaningful reform. so we got to work on this executive order. it was grounded in key elements of the justice and policing act. reflects inputs from a broad coalition represented here today. families, courageously share their perspectives on what happened to their loved ones. and what we can make sure that it doesn't happen to somebody
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else. people that have given ordinary heart hand soul to this work provide critical insights and perspectives. law enforcement has put their lice on the line every day to serve. now let me say, there's those that seek to drive a wedge between law enforcement and those that they serve. it occurs. i believe that the vast majority of americans want the same thing. trust, safety and accountability. the vast majority of law enforcement risks their lives every day to do the right thing. their families wait for that phone call. every time they put on that shield. just yesterday in uvalde, brave local officers, border patrol agents intervened to save as many children as they could.
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here today i want to especially thank the international association of the chiefs of police, fraternal order of police, the national organization of black law enforcement executives. the federal law enforcement association. [applause] police executive research forum, majority chiefs association and others who stepped up, stepped up and endorsed what we're talking about today. as divided as the nation can feel, today we're showing the strength of our unity. it matters. this executive order will deliver the most significant police reform in decades. it applies directly under law to only 100,000 federal law enforcement officers, all the federal law enforcement officers. though best practices are attached to it, we expect the order to have significant impact on state and local agencies as well. here's the key parts. first, the executive order
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promote as couldn'tability and creates a new national law enforsments on account ability database to track records of misconduct so an officer can't hide the misconduct. strengthens the path of investigation to address systematic misconduct in some departments. mandates all federal agents wear and activate body cameras while on patrol. second, raises standards, bans choke holds, restricts no knock warrants, tightens use of force policies and emphasizes deescalation. third, the executive order modernizes policing. calls for fresh approach to recruit, train, promote and retrain law eninformationment
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that is tied to advancing public safety and public trust. right now we don't systematically collect data, for instance, on instances of police, use of force. this executive order will prove that data collection. there's more as well. the bottom line of the executive order includes executive reforms that will be finally i'm memented. by building trust, we can strengthen public safety and fight crime in our communities. do one more thing. we can show it possible when we work together. look, i know, i know progress can be slow and frustrating. there's a concern that the reckoning on race-inspired two years ago is beginning to fade. acting today we're showing to
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the late john lewis, congressman, wrote in his final words after his final march for justice in july of 2020, he said democracy is not a state. it's an act. democracy is not a state. it's an act. an affirmative act. today we're acting. we are showing that speaking out matters, being engaged matters and that the work of our time, healing the soul of this nation is ongoing and unfinished and requires all of us never to give up. always to keep the faith. i close with this. over two years now, for over two years, we've gotten to know one another. pray with one another. not figuratively, literally. i promise the floyd family among others, george's name is not just going the be a hashtag.
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their daddy's name will be known a long time. as a nation, we're going to ensure his legacy, the legacy of some many others remembered today. it's not about their death. but what we do in their memory that matters. the purpose. just -- in just a moment, i'm going to deliver on that promise when i sign the executive order. we'll get meaningful police reform as quickly as we can beyond what we're doing here affecting states directly. on this day, we're showing the america we know. we're a great nation. cause the vast majority of us are good people. there's nothing beyond our capacity. nothing. when we act together as the united states of america. this is a start, a new start.
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may god bless you all, may god protect our forces. now i'm going to sign that executive order. thank you. [applause] >> neil: we're continuing to monitor this. this executive order is on the two-year anniversary of the george floyd killing. the president outlines plan to limit the use of force on the the part of police officers in general. it will ban essentially all choke holds, restricts the no knock entries that have led to some violent incidents in this country and requires body-worn cameras all the time involving police pursuits. problem cases as they call it. all of this at the backdrop with the texas shooting yesterday of which this has little to do. but i do want to get the
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thoughts of all of this from bill bratton, the former new york city police commissioner. the timing of this, commissioner, whatever merits it might have in light of the george floyd killings, i get that. it's really aimed at reigning in police procedures at a time that the spike in crime we've been seeing in this country is because they have been overreigned in. what do you make of this? >> well, the timing is intended to be on the second anniversary on the death of george floyd. the coincidence with the events in texas yesterday could not have been foreseen. i think they will be disapointed on what would have been a stand-out press event today is going to be actually overshadowed by the events in texas. in any event, the president -- the audience needs to understand
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this is applicable in large part to federal agencies. they're hoping that congress will eventually pass similar legislation that would make it applicable to the 18,000 law enforcement agencies in the country. so it's a start. what needs to be understood is that what he's signing has been importants for a lot of the leading law enforcement organizations and the entities that represent rank and file. that in itself is something that needs to be noted. >> neil: still the backdrop for this, if you think about it, commissioner, there had been a point that we would be funding police movements, popping up all across the country including minneapolis, minnesota. the president wanted to clarify he was not on board with all of that. do you think that crime spikes we have been seeing leaving
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aside just the sheer number of shootings at schools, grocery stores, otherwise, do we just need more police? do we need more of a police presence even in new york on subways, outside major thorough fares, train stations and the rest? you think that is something in light of what had been pretty serious spikes, certainly in metropolitan areas, that we need to see? >> i speak frequently on my social media, my twitter and other social media platforms that i'm on of the need for more. the stupidity of the defund the police movement that they quickly retreated from. we almost 100,000 fewer police officers today than we had several years ago. many departments did suffer defunding, los angeles, new york and we see the consequences of that defunding before they reversed it in the serious crime
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rates that they're experiencing. one of the things that we need more funding for certainly is training of police officers. we don't do enough initial training and we certainly don't do enough in-service training throughout their career. so i'm very supportive of the need for more, more police officers in my city, new york city. there's about 34,000. when i was commissioner, we had 38,000 back in the late 90s we had 41,000 when beebe again the crime turn around. the crime crises in america today has been created by the politicians in many of our cities and states. certainly the case in new york city. misguided criminal justice reform efforts. let's look to the source of this crime fight that we're experiencing. it's largely political. with the laws that they passed and the attacks on police. in new york city, new york city,
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the large body of political leadership in this state and city do not support their police. they don't like the police. they don't fund them adequately. it results in the crime situation that we're experiencing. in many respects it's the same thing in the rest of the country. >> neil: i talked to many parents certainly the last 24 hours, those that died had children die in these shootings, the school shootings. andrew pollack who lost his 17-year-old girl in the park land shooting. he said we need a police presence and someone that will do something in the event of a school shooting happening. the irony in park land, there was a person that never entered the school even as the shooting was going on this. push to get someone armed, maybe
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several armed within schools across the country, maybe all of them, what do you think of that? >> that's up to each individual school district as to whether they want that type of coverage. i saw senator cruz, i think it was this morning, talking about -- maybe another republican senator talk about arming school teachers. i don't think most teachers want to be armed. they signed up to teach. the decision about what level of security we need in our schools is left up to each municipality. here in new york city during the height of the defund insanity in this city, there was an effort to take police out of the school. the irony of it is that the majority of those school police are minorities themselves, many have children in the school system. so that's how crazy the
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defunding movement was. >> neil: i'm sorry. i'm pressed for time. i want your thoughts on what we're learning about the 18-year-old behind the shooting. now you know, his mother was speaking to the press. i'm trying to get their exact quote here. she said she was surprised that he opened fire at this robb elementary school, that he showed no signs of being a violent person, that he was not a violent person. she claimed that she had a good relationship with him but admits that he was a loner. they had a fractious relationship. but she said that was not the case. just that there were no signs growing up that he was a violent person one way or the other. essentially saying in comments
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to the daily mail in great britain that this was not the son that she recognized. we often hear this sort of thing from other shooters in other cases, either they were loners or quiet or anti-social, some that post violent thoughts and messages on social media that are not discovered till much later. not a lot in this case. what do you make of that? >> well, having been dealing with this for almost 50 years, it's quite clear that the first story is never the last story. they evolve over time. you've been covering the numbers and stories like this, understand that it literally changes by the hour. we have so much more to work with today than we had yesterday. ultimately we hope to understand what was the motivation of this young man that his parent -- [inaudible] we just don't know at this stage
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as to the investigation, what were the ultimate motives, why did he seem to change so quickly and is there more social media that we're not aware of. they might get access to it. we just don't know. that's why we have the investigations. we learn from each of these. one thing we learn, is there another? that's the state of america today. shows you and i sitting here talking about this, hoping it will never happen again. it will happen again. >> neil: it does, indeed. >> that's the reality of life in america today. >> neil: thanks, commissioner bratton. and we read this from the mother of the shooter in yesterday's tragic incident. adriana reyes was surprised that her son had shot her own mother,
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his grandmother and hoped she would survive this. no indications of his motive or what he was up to. she also goes on to say i pray for those families, i'm praying for all of the innocent chance, yes, i am. the children had nothing to do with this. they had no part in this. i cannot understand this. all right. we'll keep you up to date on any more details that come from family members and indeed friends, far and far between. in fact, known commenting on this right now. that's how little he was known and how he was under everyone's radar. that is until yesterday. all right. other development following today in ukraine. the war drags on and growing concerns that the world's food supply could be affected. oftentimes ukraine is called the bread basket to europe. so is russia, by the way. all of that is stick in place and unable to get out of either
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country for the time being. greg palkot has more from kyiv on how that is complicating a war that will not end. greg? >> absolutely, neil. experts this week have in fact been saying that famine and higher food costs, all across the world, could be more fallout from this war. take a look what we saw and what we heard. >> as the war in ukraine rages, there's more at risk. vital global food supplies. the bread basket of theorld held up. >> it's enough to feed 400 million people. >> this farmerrows grape seed 90 minutes outside of kyiv. his grape seed is set to be harvested next months. he's got a lot of other craps already harvested in silos and
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warehouses. that is the challenge of being a ukrainian farmer in the mission of a russian invasion. >> it's a big problem. not only for the biggest problem for our country. >> ports blocked by russians, shortage of gas, farmers, part time soldiers. grain stolen by russians. resulting in international foot shortages prompting chief beasley to take a plea to the man responsible. >> so i asked president putin, if you have any heart at all, please open these ports. >> neil, some grain, more grain, is getting out of this country over land. still, the real problem are these ports, which are being blocked by the russians. as for this farmer, he told us that he's a soldier as well and sometimes when he's he's on his
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back patio, he watches russian cruise missiles go over. strange times. >> neil: thanks, greg. to general jack keane on this. general, that's the problem. >> all of this food and no way to get it out of ukraine. with ports blocked and the russians trying to make sure that they stay that way, what happens? >> well, the u.n. secretary general is trying to work with russia to remove the blockade and let the cargo ships in certainly to the port of odesa, which is under the control of the ukrainians. if that fails, i think what needs to be done is what i responded to in the "wall street journal" interview, which produced an editorial as a result of that. that is to put together an international coalition of warships, not just nato but other countries that have a humanitarian interest and put
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that coalition today and escort these cargo ships so they can take an at least to the port of odesa, never leaving international waters, a couple of risks involved, there's mines that have to be demined. the united states has the capability to do that. the ukrainians could assist with that as well. the second thing is certainly russia will take exception to that and certainly we have to consider what the risk profile is in terms of russia taking action against that international coalition.i think that risk profile is acceptable in my judgment given what this means in terms of not only hundreds of thousands that could die as a result of the global food shortage but millions of people as well. russia is using this as leverage. they want to devastate the economy of ukraine, which they will do as a result of it. and given their barberism and
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war atrocities and the rest of it, it's highly unlikely that they'll give in to the u.n. secretary general and permit this major humanitarian relief operation, a coalition is the right way to do. we did it in the 80s with the persian gulf. trump did it also a couple years ago for the same reason. >> neil: i wonder what you make separately? henry kissinger weighing in on the best way to end this month long conflict that ukraine quoting here should cede territory to russia to help end the invasion. and this is a reading from "the washington post," suggesting a vast majority of ukrainians are against but might be the only way to get be u but to leave. say you got this. now go. what do you think? >> well, first of all, i don't
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think vladimir putin is going to give up any territory whatsoever unless the ukrainians take it away from them. that is where he is. he's determined to hold on to that southern coast. i do believe that we should give the ukrainians and help them because there is an opportunity to drive the russians off his land. i disagree with dr. kissinger that we should go to a settlement now, which would be harmful to the ukrainians, to let the russians have the control of a territory that they currently have because they will rebuild, reposition their forces, build them up. i don't think putin has ever given up on the idea that he wants to take control of the government in kyiv and we cannot give him that opportunity to once again put a plan and the resources together to do that. we've got to drive him off of ukraine territory. there's risk involved.
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i understand that. but also we've got to help the ukrainians deal with the reality of what they're facing. russian boots on their soil, more territory now on the russian control than prior to february 25. >> neil: thanks, general, for taking the time to go over this. general jack keane following the fast-moving developments in that war that goes on and on. also something going on and on are these rising gas prices that could rise some more. americans are just fed up. aren't you? like this. >> the gas is absurd, this is terrible. >> should be $15 a day in gas. now it's $40, 45 a day. >> people are not doing as many things. they're not traveling. >> i have to park my car, walking around. i can't afford the gas. >> we're struggling out here. we're struggling in america. >> neil: apparently that struggle will go on. there's some gas stations that
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are retro-fitting their gas tangles for upward of $10 gas. there's not enough digits. they have to adjust for that. i wish i had professors like this in college. i didn't. i got through. great to see you. what do you make of what americans are saying is an unending assault every time they go to the gas station? we're higher than we were when we tapped the strategic petroleum reserve and nothing is slowing it down. >> yeah, it's desperation, neil. think about this for a second. you had the president of the united states say our economy is in transition. the average american is saying i can't transition. the car i drive is the car i'm going to drive. if i drive a one-ton diesel pickup for work, there's nothing for me to transition too. so the president is talking in
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these very abstract ethereal terms about transition. average people say i can't do that. if you don't fix this, all that is going to happen to me is i'm going to run out of money. you know what that means for this economy. the economy is 100% dependent on consumer spending. if consumers have to shell out at the gas pump, they won't drive the economic growth and then we'll be talking about recession. >> neil: we're already seeing it in some retailers. dick's sporting guards following target and walmart to say their sales, their earnings are feeling it now and they're not really giving very upbead guy cans. nordstrom, fancy place, they're firing on all cylinders. kidding. what do you make of that? we're already seeing it but it might be divided between the well-to-do and those that don't know what the to do.
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>> that's right. here's why. when prices for food, you just talked about that with general keane, when prices go up, it's hitting folks at the bottom. they shop at wal-mart and target. they need the good deals. even places when you're supposed to get a good deal, i can't get that anymore. that's where the economy gets dragged down. it's not at the high end. it's at the low end. this administration is abandoning those at the bottom with the energy policy they're pursuing. >> neil: they do you see a recession? >> brian: yeah, i -- on our current trajectory, neil, absolutely. all the signals are flashing red right now. that food story, neil is one of the reddest signals not being
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baked in. that is a huge concern for us. unless something changes, that is exactly where we're headed and might be there now. >> neil: class is dismissed. brian brenberg is right on this. last quarter was a down quarter, negative quarter. you met classic definition of recession, a lot of people say they don't need to know that, they feel it. >> hello, gym jesse watters, with judge genius /* jeanine. this is "the five." >> evil swept across uvalde yesterday. anyone who shoots his grandmother in the face has to have evil in his

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