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the suggestion was all the students and teachers killed were killed in the early minutes. i guess we will learn more about the timeline as the days wear on. >> sandra: and they are still parsing through video footage, ongoing investigation. our coverage continues here on the fox news channel. thank four joining us. i'm sandra >> martha: thank you very much. a lot of questions remain and a lot of questions arising out of that news conference that we just heard. we'll break all of those down for you over the course of "the story" here. i want to begin jeff paul who is on the ground in uvalde with a look at what we just heard. as i said, a lot of questions about this school was in lockdown. that lockdown announcement came out. we got it on our phones as soon as it happened. i'll trying to figure out why
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one door was open that allowed him to go in unobstructed into this school. jeff, give us an update. break down what we just heard and take it from there. >> yeah, very important update just wrapped up by texas dps after as you mentioned what's been a long day of questions and frustration. many members of the community wanting to know what happened and when it happens. 11:28 a.m., texas dps said that's when the suspect wrecked his truck just outside of robb elementary school after shooting his grandmother. he jumped outside of the passenger side of the truck with a long rifle in a bag. that was a bag full of ammo. two witnesses at a nearby funeral home saw what was going on, so he fired after them according to texas dps. now, he continues to walk towards the school and shooting at the school. 11:40 a.m., texas dps says he
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walked into the west side of robb elementary, the door was unlocked. that's where texas dps says most of the gun fire took place. texas dps cleared up there was not an armed school police officer on campus as they previously had reported. we know around 11:40 a.m. tuesday, robb elementary announced it was under a lock down. a minute later, police are inside the school. they get shot at and have to call for backup. all law enforcement to respond. this is the part where we're getting a lot of questions. an hour later, an hour later, border patrol officers arrive and shoot and kill the suspect. uvalde police then announced it was over. it's the hour in between when police were getting shot at, calling for backup and the border patrol agents shows up here, that elite group, showing
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up here and killing the suspect that many parents and many people here in the community want to know what happened in that hour. >> martha: jeff, there's a lot of questions what happened in that hour is one of them. another one that comes to mind, we were told yesterday that the grandmother, even though she had been shot, called 911 and called for help, right? so that happened at i believe around 11:20. correct? that was the first indication. and then i remember that we got a notification that this school, robb elementary in texas, that there was a shooting in the neighborhood. everybody was fine. they were all locked down in the school. correct? >> yeah. i believe the first shots as texas dps was trying to clear up were at the nearby funeral home. they said he saw two people outside after wrecking his truck, getting out with the long rifle and the bag of ammo and
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shot at them. i don't know if that is the point that people reported the shots being fired and he went into the school. a lot of this, martha,goes back to -- all of this is happening so fast, this is a small town. it's not every day where there's a shooting reported. the grandmother could report the shooting. another call comes in for a wreck. at that point we don't know if those are related. we know that now and then another shooting. all of this is related. at the time this is unraveling, it's unclear if they're related. >> it's a very good point. it's easy in hindsight to look at these pieces and say that they could have been put together a little faster and we may learn that they could have been put together. but clearly the grandmother called 911. within 11 minutes, the car crash happens. he shoots at two people. i'm assuming there was a call from somebody that witnessed that. and then we see him on the video
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going into the school. one other question i have before i let you go, jeff, so these reports that the shooting happened, that much of the shooting happened early on in -- after he barricaded himself into that room, correct? >> yeah, texas dps saying, you know, once he walked in, he said they walked in about 20 feet, turned right, made a left and went into the first classroom that he could get into. that's where most of the shots took place, they say. and then you have that hour in between. we've seen the video of the parents outside where other officers are out there and other law enforcement are trying to create the perimeter. you tonight hear many gun shots in the video. texas dps saying we have more questions to answer. this is very early on in the investigation. most of the gun fire taking place very early on minutes after entering the school according to texas dps.
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>> jeff, thanks very much. jeff paul reporting at the scene. i want to bring in ken trump, the president of national school security services. he's been working for decades in this area helping schools to be safener the wake of all of the shootings that we've seen over the course of the decades. ken, thanks for being here. i know you're listening to this. what stands out in terms of the protocol that's been laid down because this school has a whole safety section of their website, talks about the fence, the perimeter, the school safety officers that are around. seems like a lot of those things didn't come into play here. >> thanks, martha. there's a lot of questions that were not answered or that remain open from that press conference. some were answered. first thing is that open door comes in to my mind. we've been addressing this in the field for two decades now, back to the columbine era, more than two decades.
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and the best practices certainly are focusing now on access control. it proves you can put the equipment on the building but there's the human factor. any security technology is only good as the weakest human link behind it. we're constantly working to shift our training to have the emergency checklist, which we saw unfold there in the district. they had mass notification system, called people to stay away. had a lockdown districtwide, police officers were notified. they had parent reunicase. those are the emergency places. what we have to focus now, shifting to focusing on situational awareness, looking for pattern recognition, what is normal, what is not. making sure that we have the warning signs on not just see something, but say something, do something. in this case there's questions on the tactical response, not from me but from the school community two decades ago plus
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in columbine as was pointed out by darren and others on the interview. the tactics shifted from set up a perimeter call for backup to first officer on scene, response and does an entry. and that has been the same. just think about it. a couple years ago, 2018 in parkland, just a few years ago, the biggest question beyond the shooter himself was the response of the school resource officer or lack of response that stayed outside and didn't enter. so it's troubling to people to think that some of the best practices still need to be worked on, that we learned a couple decades ago. there's some things that schools can do to make these schools easier for the good guys to get in and harder for the bad guys to get in. locking the doors -- >> martha: as i say, i remember getting the notification that
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there was a school in texas that there was a shooter in the area and that they were locked down and everybody was safe inside. but they weren't locked down. the back door was open. he also appears to have gained easy entry into this classroom as well. and then later on we were told that when the other team came in, they had to get someone to unlock the door. obviously this is a moment of sheer panic and terror. i'm not judging anybody. we need to figure out how these protocols do and don't work. >> we're focusing on the target hardening. we recommend in our training that you give your local law enforcement officers the key cards, the fobs, the keys so that they can get in when you're locked down, number 1. floor plans and blueprints given to first responders ahead of time so they have the layouts digitally or hard copied so they know the layout of the school.
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many schools today that have more modernized surveillance cameras in the school are having a memoranda of understanding so that police in an emergency can get real time surveillance and tap-in to see what is going on in the hallway. those three examples of things you can do to help get dynamic entry in faster and planning with this. your smaller communities are challenged. we remember rolling out after columbine, took two or three areas to shift smaller areas to get this new tactical training versus perimeter. but we're a couple decades out on that and we need to make sure that we're training. if they have multiple agencies to rely on, state department of public service, border patrol, local police, sheriff, then training ahead of time. making schools available to law enforcement after hours on weekends. giving those walk throughs that
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they use them are all things that we can do to tighten up. it's not perfect. it's chaotic. we can't script it all but reduce the risk. >> martha: we're in trouble, a lot of things to figure out. thanks, ken trump. with that, we bring in bill dailey. i saw you on earlier with john and sandra. now we had a chance to listen to the information we just got, what stands out? what are you disturbed about and what were you enlightened on? >> sure, martha. the whole situation is disturbing from beginning to end. i think what we learned here what we didn't learn are also very important. we learned that the shooter approached the school unencumbered. a vehicle crashed. we can make suppositions about that. he scaled a fence, got his way to the school and shot at the
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school. then entered the school through a door. so that clarified whether or not there was a school resource officer involved, which had been suggested the past 48 hours that that may have been the case. there was some altercation. there doesn't seem to be a situation. the next question that wasn't very crisp in that press conference and perhaps will come out a little later on is that specific timing and the initial entry to the final breach. we know just basically in discussing active shooter situations that most of the fatalities and the shooting takes place in the first few minutes. after that, it becomes a hostage situation, which there's negotiations or a barricade situation with the shooter, which that's what it turned out to be. big question here, martha, in that time line, as police went in and confronted him, shots were fired. some got injured.
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what was the assessment by the officers on site as to whether or not that breach at that moment after that was necessary, what they thought was happening, whether they thought that the shooter at that point had unfortunately shot the victims. there's questions that will linger and weren't clear from that conference, which certainly i would like to know and everybody else would like to know. i would say, martha -- go ahead. >> martha: that hour is very disturbing. from everything that i've read about protocol in these situations, you want to get in there as quickly as possible. you know what, bill? i keep thinking about the two children that we have heard first hand accounts from now. one of them, her best friend was next to her, tried to call 911. she was killed. she saw her best friend shot and she was covered in blood. another little boy who was hiding under a table. so now i'm thinking based on what we're hearing, if the shooting took place at the
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beginning of that hour, these kids are sitting there for an hour in the middle of this massacre waiting for someone to come in and thinking that they're probably next, bill. >> yeah, martha. very unsetting indeed. most of the protocols -- i was not involved in the law enforcement side. i've done more so in training and familiar with the protocols and working with law enforcement on the training for particular situations. they need to go in, even if there's injuries, victims, police victims, they continue in until they're able to neutralize the shooter that is that big question, a gap that is lingering on all of our minds. there's a lot of questions around circumstances. we're not finding fault. we don't want to get ahead of
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the facts. we couldn't hear all the questions. people were trying to volley them. but i didn't hear an answer to address that. >> martha: it's worth pointing out that we have -- you heard it from the press, we have information that was wrong, right? you had people coming in front of microphones talking about the fact that there was a school resource officer. i interviewed one that told me that. we have to be so cautious here and we have to take our time and really figure out what happened. there's video around this school as well which we don't have yet. we're going to wait for the 911 call from the grandmother and the people outside the funeral home and find out how that timeline matches up. thanks, bill daly. good to have you with us today. >> all right, martha. >> martha: so we are expecting that we'll hear some reaction from the white house to all of these revelations. that's going to happen within this hour as well, we're told. americans are left to wonder, what is going on in this country, where to these angry young men capable of looking at a 9-year-old and shooting from,
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>> martha: so we are waiting for new reaction from the white house to the shooting in uvalde, texas after president biden yesterday said this when he was talking about the second amount. watch. >> the second amendment is not absolute. when it was passed, you couldn't own a cannon. you couldn't own certain kinds of weapons. just always been limitations. but guess what? these actions we've taken before they saved lives. they can do it again.
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>> martha: as the president pushes for tougher gun laws, others are making the case there's more at play in the country that is playing into all of this. the "wall street journal" editorial board writing this. "a teenager could look at a 9-year-old, aim a gun and pull the trigger signals larger social and cultural breakdown." they talk about a lot of what's going on. that's one line. geraldo rivera and dan henninger are fox news contributors. great to have you with us today. geraldo, the president says, you know, the second amendment is not absolute. your thoughts on how this is playing out. this is obviously a conversation we'll have again here. >> i think there's a deep malignancy in the world where kids barely 18 years old can go into a federally licensed gun dealership and spend $2,500 on
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two occasions to buy a weapon of war, to buy these long guns, the extended magazines and 350 rounds of ammunition. it's sickening to me that a kid that cannot buy a beer legally or get a license to drive a semi truck is buy these weapons of war? what is going on when you look at a baby-faced teen and sell him these two rifles? what is he going to do with 556 ammo other than hunt people, in this case children? i've been watching your show, your coverage. you reflect a grief that we all feel, martha. this is absolutely so painful, so dreadful. it is disgusting. i think that can't we republican and democrat right and left get together and have a juvenile assault weapons ban? if you can't buy beer, you should not be able to buy one of these weapons of war, martha.
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>> martha: miranda divine write about this, dan henninger. an excellent piece in the "wall street journal" today. miranda divine says banning people from under 21 from purchasing semiautomatic weapons makes sense considering that most of these school shooters are teenagers. the uvalde killer was 18. sandy hook killer was 20. is this something that you can imagine because we can't seem to agree on anything where this is concerned in this country that people could get behind, dan? >> well, since drinking age in many states is 21, they might raise the age of purchasing a weapon to 21 as well. but to the point, having a discussion about this, i want to raise something that governor abbott said in texas, which is that 18-year-olds have been able to buy guns there going back into the 19th century without this happening.
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that goes to a good argument that we made in the editorial today. before the 1970s, this sort of thing didn't happen as often action it did. that was a period when this country was more settled socially and culturally. we know that since then things have become much more disruptive. i wrote an editorial in the 1990s called "no guardrails." the idea was that you have guardrails on highways to protect people from flying out of control as we used to have social and cultural guardrails that protected the most vulnerable among us from flying off the edge. if you live in a society where anything goes, people are allowed to do whatever they want and choose to just sort of design their own lives without any of the kind of institutional frame work that used to exist, whether schools, churches and so forth, then you're going to have more of these people at the margins that become
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dysfunctional and commit acts like we have seen here. >> martha: it's always the shooter who is the person who is responsible in these situations. and then you look at this cultural issue. you look at the lack of faith, the decline in church going, the decline in stable families, all of these factor in to what allows this disturbed young man, again, another disturbed young man in american to carry out a heinous act like this. i also would note, dan, in terms of this weapon, the fact ar-15s for consumers were made in the late 60s and early 70s. so it's possible that that is a factor here as well in terms of the laws that were in play. but now there is -- that's a turning point, right? suddenly we've seen an increase in these and we see an increase in this kind of weapon availability to consumers. dan, i want to give you a chance
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to react and let geraldo have his say here. >> we're going to have this discussion about gun control again. i want to see regulations like this could work and have an effect. we have out of control guns in the urban areas of new york, los angeles, chicago, san francisco. people are dying every weekend. they have very strict gun controls in those cities. >> martha: that's right. geraldo? your thoughts. >> i think that this is not -- i have been in this business for over 50 years, martha. i've seen society -- i started labor day 1970 here in new york. i've seen all of these cultural phenomena, all of this trend, this and that. i can't speak to -- i'm no expect. i'm just an eye witness. what thing i can say is it's preposterous because we can't do everything that we don't do something.
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this is something that i believe -- i have spoke with president trump about this at mar-a-largo after the shooting in parkland where there was another teenager that massacred half of his class there, nikolas cruz. this should not be so easy. this should not be -- the buffalo shooter as well, they can just go and buy the weapon on a whim, take their piggy banks and buy enough gun power to wipe out a classroom, to kill all of these babies? you can see the anguish of these families, a man died of a heart atact because he was family was so afflicted. this is terrible. do something. we can't do everything. why not -- even if it's a 1% solution, it's something other than gun control, this or that.
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can't agree, this or that. >> martha: dan talks about guardrails. it's a guardrail, right? if you make it a 21 law, someone suggested even making it so that you have to have -- you can't rent a car until you're 26 years old in this country. everybody likes to go driving on the weekends, too. you can't rent a car until you're 26. another suggestion is to have an older adult that comes with you for the purchase of that gun in order to have that background check done. there's things that will not take away anyone's freedom and that might help to save some lives. i think it's time for people to come together on both sides of the aisle and figure out what they might be. gentleman, thanks very much. good to have you here, dan and geraldo. so moments ago, education secretary miguel cardona says he's ashamed that america is becoming numb to the killing of school children. that during a hearing on capitol hill in which gop lawmakers made calls for better security protocols in schools and
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democrats went after gun laws. >> we could have prevented a lot of these incidents. >> mr. chairman, as i said before, we stand ready to work with you to examine the federal programs under our jurisdiction to help families and schools.
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>> there's now a bipartisan coalition of senators trying to forge a compromise to fight the prop. it's unclear in the plan would focus on guns or mental health. it comes as the senate leaves washington for a recess. sometimes issues lose energy over a break. the shooting may invigorate the process. >> we need at least a week to get through these tough issues. sometimes these issues outside of washington rather than when we're here. listen, i'm not going to negotiate forever. >> mitch mcconnell is blessing bipartisan talks. chuck schumer is willing to give senators ten days to craft a
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deal. gun control activists ripped schumer. >> i'm sure all of you heard about the timing, the timing. we have to get the timing right. the timing right. he's given them ten days. ten days to deal with a number 1 cause of death for black men. ten [bleep] days. >> it's all about the math. any deal needs 60 yays to clear a filibuster. certain plans may lose senators at the margins, progressives and conservatives. the key is to find a sweet spot in the middle. martha? >> martha: thanks, chad pergram reporting from capitol hill. the first trial brought forward by special counsel john durham is today heading into a critical moment. former chairman of the house intelligence committee, devin nunes joins me next.
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>> martha: closing arguments in the trial of former clinton
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campaign lawyer michael sussmann are set to begin tool. he decided not to testify to take the stand in his own defense. there were some questions about whether or not he might do that. the judge telling jurors, the law does not require mr. sussmann to prove his innocence. in moments, devin nunes, but first, he is the ceo of trump media and technology group. first, david spunt live at the district court. hi, david. >> hi, martha. yesterday when i joined you, it appeared that michael sussmann may testify. when the judge gavelled in this morning, it was clear that was not meant to be. however today is the first time that we heard from michael sussmann in court. he spoke to the judge. he confirmed that he would not testify on his behalf. the defense rested their case this morning. then the judge read jury instructions as a standard
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process. sussmann is charged with lying to the fbi specifically and then to the fbi general counsel, james baker. when he came to baker, he said he had information linking the trump organization to a trump company. sussmann laid when he told baker that he wasn't bringing it on behalf of a client, that he was on his own. durham says he has a specific invoice that shows sussmann build the hillary clinton campaign for this. jurors will be looking at whether sussmann lied and whether his information was relevant to how fbi agents handled their investigation. the jury will hear closing arguments tomorrow and because of a scheduling conflict with the judge, it's possible that the actual deliberations will begin tomorrow early afternoon or possibly after a four-daybreak tuesday. if i could give you color from the courtroom.
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all the jurors were paying attention to the jury instructions. special counsel john durham, who opened this probe three years ago, is involved in this case, martha. he sits there at the table with four attorneys from the u.s. government. he gives them instructions, he's on his computer, he's taking notes. at one point special counsel durham walked over to michael sussmann's attorneys and engaged in a friendly conversation as michael sussmann was just sitting a few feet away. an awkward situation but that's what it looked like in the courtroom. >> martha: thanks, david. great to hear from you again. we'll see the closing arguments get underway tomorrow. with that, we bring in devin nunes, now ceo of the trump media and technology group. he's watched this story from the very earliest days and alerted a lot of folks to it early on. good to have you with us, devin. how do you think durham did here? you think he can persuade this jury that michael sussmann lied to the fbi? >> what you saw this week was
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pretty clear. i think the three key pieces of evidence that i took away, you have the text from sussmann to the fbi general counsel saying that he's come in as a good samaritan. not on behalf of anybody. secondly, you have the information of baker himself who not only his testimony, but he says he's 100% sure that's what sussmann told him and other notes added to that. and then on the back side, you have the testimony that he gave to our committee, the house republicans when we conducted this investigation when he said he went on behalf of a client. so he was lying to congress or lying to the fbi. it's clear cut here. there was lots of other exciting things that came out in the trail that i think we'll have to grab the popcorn for. >> martha: one of the other interesting details here, they brought in someone yesterday that went through the payments and he was paid on that day for
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i think it was three hours of work. he build hillary clinton's campaign after saying that he wasn't in there. he was working on his own. then they tried to parcel, maybe the three hours were not the same. but my first question to you, i wanted to circle back to, what do you think about this jury? onlily it's impossible to read their minds, a lot of people have suggested in d.c., it might be difficult to persuade this jury. >> you know, it could be. i think we talked about that last week on your show. there's some trouble with some of the jurors giving money to clinton, liberal members of congress. you had one of the jurors has a relationship of some kinds to sussmann's family. so very, very strange. the evidence is pretty overwhelming. you do like you said, you have the payments on top of everything else. but look, this is really just a small sliver of the entire russia hoax. durham brought this simple
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piece, but now you look at -- what did we learn this week? maybe it's related to the sussmann trial, but we learned that hillary clinton herself, that was a show-stopper that happened at the end of last week, that she paid -- or she knew about this operation. you have the fact that we know that fbi agents are under investigation for falsifying documents. we're not sure what documents yet. and then on top of that, we know that this character that was in charge of spying on trump after -- different trump groups after the election, after the election, very important, we now learned this is something that we didn't know in our investigation. he happened to be what? a confidential human source for who? the fbi. the same time he was being paid by the clinton campaign. so lots of fireworks there. i expect more indictments no matter what happens to sussmann. we'll see more indictments and you'll see -- we have the other
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trial coming up also of danchenko who was excited that was the supposed source behind the steele dossier. >> martha: there's a lot of pieces in this puzzle. john durham has been working on them for a couple years. people are frustrated but the pieces are laid out now. thanks, devin. >> great to be with you. >> martha: thank you. so today would have been the last day of school before the summer vacation for these children. the two teachers who taught them before they would have all headed off to summer break. also graduation i think tomorrow at the high school where this shooter was told he was not going to graduate. response from family members of these children and these teachers next.
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>> martha: an honor role student, a mom, an aspiring football player, this row of white crosses represents the 19 children, 10 years old, one was 9 years old that was murdered and their two teachers represented with the crosses as well. this small town mourns these victims on a day that should have been a big celebration. the last day of class before their summer break. alexis mcadd dam continues to share their stories. >> i don't think any of us
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thought this story could be more heart breaking. i have another horrific update here. we're learning that one of the teachers, erma garcia, who is being called a hero trying to save her students, her husband died this morning. take a look. this is a photo of the couple. they were married for 30 years. that's go garcia. they leave behind four kids. she was gunned down in class and her husband died according to family. they said he mad a medical emergency. they believe he died of a broken heart. he couldn't take this loss. today was supposed to be the last day of school for the kids and teachers. now classes cancelled. the school the crime scene. families left wondering where to turning a they grief. >> a 11-year-old, isaiah, those were his teachers two years ago. he enjoyed that class. that was the same classroom that that happened. so he's kind of -- he is traumatized. >> back at the school there, 21
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small white crosses sitting near the spot where these kids lost their lives. you can see the people on the ground. the chaplain grieving. each of these people and these crosses stand for an innocent person that was lost there. 10-year-old javier lopez just made the honor roll. and this little boy was learning to play football. he had big plans for the summer. and this little boy loved to spend time with his family and friends. elijah torres seen in her softball uniform. she was athletic, smart and kind. elle garcia was happy and grieving her family. and the two teachers being hailed as heros after they were killed in their own classroom. morales gunned down after she
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help add students climb out of the window to safety. the grieving mom writing today on facebook that she can't eat, she can't drink and she can't get out of bed because she's so sick of the loss of her little girl. asking why this wasn't prevented in the first place as other families had major questions about the teen gunman. >> i just don't understand how people could sell that type of gun to a kid, to a 18-year-old. like what is he going to use it for? but for that purpose. >> along with the fund raisers, the funerals and individuals, the university health system is asking people to donate blood to help the others that are being treated for injuries, martha. >> martha: thanks, alexis. we should mention funerals going on for the people killed at the tops store in new york state. so this is just across the
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country you have these people in so much pain after these shootings. joining me now, maureen callahan. she wrote a very significant piece today that makes a lot of excellent points. it's titled, our greatest public health crisis, the angry young american male. in it she writes "we're the greatest nation in the world around we're failing our children like no other." maureen, thanks for joining us and thank you for writing this powerful piece that raises a lot of important questions. what do you mean when you say we're failing our children? >> that package you just aired is heart breaking. we have seen the exact same perpetrator commit these horrific mass shootings targeting small children and teenagers. as with buffalo, random people, over and over and over. when we continue to allow or
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accept that this is just a cost of doing business to live in this country and we are ignoring a key part of this complex problem. it's not just about gun control, which is reflectively what the conversation always defaults to. we have a real sickness in this culture, in america, the greatest country on earth, where we are producing generation after generation, young men that feel so alienated, angry and hopeless that they feel their only recourse is to take a semiautomatic weapon and go into an elementary school and shoot our children. >> martha: you know, you talk about the age issue and the development of the young brain at this stage of life. what do you think should be done about that? as you say, gun control is one aspect of this. there's social, emotional,
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faith. what do you think should be done about that though? >> i mean, i think any conversation about gun control, the maturation of the human brain, should be part of it. we know so much more than we did even 20, 30 years ago. what i do think should be part of this is i think that we are owed a serious effort, whether it's public, private or a combination of the two, to study what has been an epidemic in this country since columbine, over 20 years since columbine. that it's producing young men who act out in the same way and as we're learning very quickly with this latest mass shooter in texas. he was setting off alarm bells for months. he was online. and so many of these shooters are. not the dark web, but online saying i'm going to go shoot a school.
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these are preventible attacks. they're wholly preventible. we don't take these quite as seriously as we did, say, potential terror attacks in the wake of 911 and an entire apparatus, cyber and otherwise was developed to thwart such things. i don't see why we can't bring the same determination and focus to this epidemic, which is -- give it another week or two for the next one to happen. that's where we are in this country. no maureen callahan, thanks very much. thanks for joining us today. >> thank you. >> martha: i hope everybody reads her piece. we have to talk about this problem going on with angry young men in this country. more of "the story" when we come back. stay with us.
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>> martha: a fallen soldier's father is on a mission to honor every gold star family in america. tony lutz was killed in iraq when he was 25.
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he left behind a wife and two children. i spoke with his father, george for this week's podcast. he's created a special honor flag. he gave me one to honor my harry gray who was killed during word war 2 in iwo gima. there's many more that would luhansk to have one of these flags that are still waiting. >> i hope i can reach every patriotic individual in america by creating a symbol by which our nation can be appreciative. a simple thank you. >> martha: if you want to help sponsor a flag for a gold star family, go to the podcast is avail right now
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