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>> neil: you know, we still don't know the timeline but we know what was going on around the time this video was shot. the shooter was in the school. salvador ramos was in robb elementary school. those parents were hearing shots. and they were bewildered and confused and angry and wondering why someone, anyone with a gun wasn't in that school to take down ramos. so many details we don't know. this much we do. a lot of anger, a lot of questions and a lot of concern as to whether there was too much time before ramos was in there killing kids and whether something, anything, or anyone could have intervened to prevent
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that. let's go to jeff paul right now with the very latest. jeff? >> yeah, neil. it's been a very long and frustrating day for many members of this community as they stand by and want more answers about what is going on and what exactly happened and when it happened during this mass shooting. we finally got a little bit of clarity today. this investigation is only a few days old. some of these take weeks to wrap up. here's a timeline that texas dps is giving us. stick with us. 11:28 a.m., texas dps says the suspect wrecked his truck after shooting his grand mother in his face. he jumped out of the passenger's side with a long rifle and a bag of what we know to be ammo. they say he sees two witnesses at a nearby funeral home and starts firing at them. he continues to walk towards the school and starts shooting at the school. 11:40 a.m., texas dps said he
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walked into the west side of robb elementary. the door was unlocked. numerous rounds were fired off, this is when the first few minutes of when he entered the school that most of the rounds were fired. there were no arm security guards on campus. 11:40 a.m., robb elementary announced they were under a lock down, a minute later, police were inside the school and got shot at. they can't make entry to the classroom where this is happening from, so they call law enforcement for a backup, this is where people are struggling with. an hour later, border patrol officer as arrived and shoot and killed the suspect. the attack was over at 1:06 p.m. >> it's very hart. it's hard to take. it's traumatic. we're all hurting inside. we're hurting inside for the
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community members in uvalde, texas. we're hurting inside with our local partners that have to live here and work here every day. >> now, as the community tries to grapple with some of these answers that are now being disclosed, right outside the school, they continue to mourn. the loss of 19 students and two teachers. 21 crosses were placed outside the grounds there and we continue the see people show up and drop off flowers, take a moment to pray or have a few words. last night, neil, our team spoke with a teacher who says her classroom is right next door to where the shooting was taking place. she sort of broke down when she was asked to describe what it was like to protect her students. she didn't use the word students. she used the world children, she kept saying "my children" if that tells you about the connection with these teachers and the children that they are bringing up. >> neil: thanks, jeff paul. you done incredible reporting.
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pardon me for my ignorance. are they now saying the gunman walked in to the texas school, this school, unobstructed before the shooting? there had been prior reports that someone from law enforcement had encountered him. is that now not the case? >> yeah, some law enforcement agencies went to great detail to describe that encounter. that encounter didn't take place. and the thing you go back to, neil, you think about this. this is a town of 16,000 people. you have a shooting at the house with the grandmother. then you have a big car crash as you saw what the truck looked like yesterday. then you have shots fired at a funeral home. then you have shots fired at the school. all of this happening before the suspect entered the school. >> so is there anyone encountering him at this stage? in other words, when ramos has
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the crash and starts firing outside this funeral home, makes his way in to the school through this apparently unlocked door, had anyone at that point encountered him? >> it sounds like from this very preliminary information that we're given at this moment, that no, there wasn't armed security guards, armed school police officer, anybody who physically or was forced tried to stop him from entering. not even a locked door stopped him from entering. he walked in. it was those first minutes where takes dps stressed that most of the shots took place. >> neil: just wild. jeff paul, thank you very much. i want to go to chris swecker, the former fbi assistant director. the timeline is crucial and we don't want to play monday morning quarterback to start examining the whole thing. the fact of the matter is, the timeline that we were originally given appears to be off substantially. so then the question becomes, if
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ramos is in the school at this point and later on we were sharing that video of parents distract outside the school, clearly hearing shots, something is going on in that school, then the issue becomes all of these armed guards, policemen, whoever, who are not entering and obviously trying to clearly lock down the scene, i get that. but it does raise questions whether precious time was being lost here. your thoughts. >> yeah, it does create questions, neil, given columbine and all of the evolution of the law enforcement response for active shooters since then. we know now especially after parkland, we know that law enforcement goes in and advances to the sound of the gun fire and tried to neutralize the shooter as quickly as they can. a lot of disinformation is thrown out there. some of it was cleared up.
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i have a good source here that has some of it nailed down. but it does sound like that this shooter entered the parking lot, got between two cars and fired in to the building for a good four or five minutes. meanwhile, uvalde police are responding. >> neil: got it. sorry to jump on you, chris. officers at the scene and the way it was described at the scene at least today very different from what we thought was the case two days ago. i want you to react to this. >> yes. >> there's a lot going on. a lot -- a complex situation. they're measuring. president an hour later, the u.s. border patrol, tactical teams arrive. they make entry. shoot and kill the suspect.
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>> neil: that making entry -- and i always defer to you -- is roughly nearly an hour in to ramos breaching that school, entering that classroom and shooting all of those kids and teachers. so that is at a minimum an hour. right? . >> it's a lifetime. every second is a life. i think as more information is developed, i think we'll going to have some of these questions answered. but the short answer is, it's too long, neil. it was too long. i think that dps is doing a great job of investigating, but they have to go in and talk to people that are responding under trauma, officers are being shot. so the information keeps changing. but i think that is understandable. in the final analysis, despite
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dps' best efforts, the general consensus is it was a very long time and given the current protocols, given that columbine and everything that has happened since then that they should have probably got in there quicker. i think people need to be careful. they need to blame the shooter here. there's a tendency to look back -- and i do it, too -- and say there should have been better security at the school, which the there should have been and should have been a quicker response or at least go to the sound of the shooting even if officers are down. just keep going. but same time, the shooter did this. officers are responding during the fog of war. so might want to step back and give it another day or so and then let's pass some judgment. >> neil: you're right about that, chris. thanks for reminding us of that. i do have a more general question about how it is ramos was able to enter this door, which was not a main door but a
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side or back door. i don't know which. but it was unlocked. he got through. that was it. of course, he's armed to the teeth. so he could have blowed open the door and entered. questions being raised there as well as to whether or not they made things too easy for him to do that. >> yeah, i do school security assessments. what i find is that there may be protocol in writing, but it's not being followed in practice. their protocols, the doors have to be locked. that is what the situation is. it should be locked. all doors during school hours should be locked. so that is a security weakness. it's a security flaw. there's a couple others as well. you know, i believe there should be a school resource officer at every elementary school. this was a large elementary school. 700 kids. 600, 700 kids. in the age range where you
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cannot evacuate. you can't do the run, hide fight with small children. they're very vulnerable. that's why they have to be locked down and security there. there was an isd officer that responded, but he was not posted there. i would advocate that you post someone there at the school. as a visible deterrent as as a responder. there's other things that come out here. i think during covid, things slipped significantly in terms of security. i think their reactions were sluggish, if you will. they were not the type of reaction that you get if you were constantly training. so i think there's all kinds of things that come out over the next few days unfortunately. >> and just gauging the reaction of all concerning about this, frustration probably doesn't cover it. chris swecker, thanks very much. want to go to lucas tomlinson at the white house.
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we're learning that the president is set to visit the area with his wife i believe on sunday, lucas? >> that's right, neil. moments ago, the president and the first lady will fly to texas to grieve with that community on sunday. we're moments away from a press conference here at the pentagon with karine jean-pierre. yesterday the president took aim at the constitution. >> the second amendment is not absolute. when it was passed, you couldn't own a cannon. you couldn't own certain kinds of weapons. it's always been limitations. >> chuck schumer begging republicans to work with him on a gun control legislation. the majority leader admittedly it's unlikely ten republicans would break ranks. >> what you have to do, say okay, what is the problem? let's solve it.
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i did that when i was governor. we put together a task force on mental illness, how to make schools safer, share information, work with law enforcements. have to do the same thing here. >> it's not just school shootings on the rise. the u.s. murder rate rose 30% in a year. the largest in a century. over 21,000 murders the united states experienced last year. >> violent crime is increasing. firearms violence and mass shootings are increasing and religious violence are increasing as violent extremism. >> president biden has reportedly said he's done working with the republicans. if he wants to get the ten votes, he will have to go across the aisle. neil? >> he will have to do that. thanks, lucas.
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we'll be monitoring the briefing and passing along any substantive developments in that and how the administration is digesting these reports. maybe a delayed police raid at the time of the shootings that might have been pushed off an hour while the assailant was in the school. all of this renewed worry about school violence, many across the country are protesting after this. every year we try to exercise more, to be more social, to just relax. and eating healthy every single meal? if only it was this easy for us.
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>> neil: all right. now what to do? what about security? classrooms? not only in texas but across the country as we see more and more shootings. 27 school-related shootings just this year. it's continuing at a break neck pace that has both parties concerned about how to move forward. the problem is they have very differing ideas how to move forward. chad pergram with more on that. >> neil, emotional words from the secretary of education before a house committee today. miguel cardona told lawmakers that he was ashamed because he believes the country is desensitized to the murder of kids. >> after each of these
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massacres, we've held staff training, active shooter drills. we have numbered our windows for easier access for law enforcement. we have improved online early detection screening tools and secured our entrances and perimeter. that is no match for what we're up against. >> democratic senator chris murphy is working with gop members to forge a solution to the crisis. mitch mcconnell green lighted bipartisan talks. >> the nra is still out there building the political wall. we have to take them on. >> this is goldilocks, not too hot, not too cold but just right. it will take a bipartisan coalition of senators to cut a deal. however, the senate must get 60 yays to approve anything.
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students walked out of class today around the country to push for action in washington. those that survived shootings railed against lawmakers on capitol hill. >> so shame on the people that watch my friends and classmates day in school and continue not to act. so to the lawmakers that will not listen to their constituents, at least listen to your conscious. please do not wait until it happens to your child. >> the senate will be out until early june. murphy believes time away from washington maybe help the sides reach an agreement. neil? >> thanks, chad. the former new york city police commissioner is with us. very good to have you with us. there's more common ground between the two parts than we're led to believe. not satisfying either parties school interest in resolving this. when it comes to, for example, guns, maybe some in question for those under 21 not to let them
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get some of those guns. what to you make of that? >> you know, if you look back at the school shootings, almost all of them involve young men 18 or under and assault weapons. so i know there's no way that congress is going to pass the assault weapon ban again. but i do believe there's a way that this can be fixed. you know, under the federal firearms act, machine guns are available to the public, but in order to get a machine gun, you have to submit a photograph, your finger parents, a local law enforcement agency has to certify that you have a reason to have one. so why not do the same thing with assault weapons and classify them under the same statute and make sure that anybody that wants one with a legitimate reason to get it. but 18-year-old ramos can't go get it instandsly with $2,000. that is one way that you can
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maintain the right, but you have to go through a few hoops so these young kids don't get them right away. >> neil: in new york, they're debating this very issue and prior to this shooting where at least some of these weapons, i don't know if they were included in just assault weapons, would be banned if you're under 21. what do you make of that? >> i don't think just under 21 is going to do it. kids can get false i.d. why not have them go to their police station, get fingerprinted, get a photograph and also under the irs statute, if you buy a machine gun, you have to pay a tax of $200. why not make it harder to get them. don't prohibit them. make it harder that the people that have them get them responsibly. and these momentary thing that they get them instantly doesn't
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happen again. it happens in almost every one of them. they get them legally. >> neil: that was the case with salvador ramos, the 18-year-old behind the attacks and he got these two guns legally and without incident. there was a background check we're told. but that background check and maybe you can help me, it varies depending on the region and how thorough they explore you. if he had no record, no criminal report and even violations to go back to, there would be no reason for him not to get the weapon, right? >> right. you know, criminal records are not perfect. you also have to check the boxes. that you're not going to courthouse them for criminal purposes that you have mental illness, blah, blah, blah. the fact is they're not real good background checks. that's why putting some hoops in the way of getting assault
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weapons for anybody. the truth is, there's no legitimate sporting purpose for an assault weapon. the only reason for weapons are to kill people. we need to limit the people that can get them and if we have to have them on the street, let them be with people that have submitted to this process. >> neil: that's not a bad idea. there has to be an area where each side can't get what they want but you have to do something. this could be a catalyst to make sure the wrong types don't have the weapons and the kind of background checks that you talk about can be done consistently and across the country. howard safir, thanks very much. before we go to break, sad news on this tragedy. we're learning that the husband of one of the teachers that was killed at robb elementary school in texas has died of a heart attack.
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joe garcia lost his wife, erma garcia, in the shooting where salvador ramos killed the 19 children and the two teachers including erma garcia. many say that in the end, he died of a broken heart. we'll have more.
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>> neil: violent crime a big issue in states across the country. this particular week especially. new york mayor eric adams met with top business leaders reminding him do something after this.
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>> neil: all right. it's one thing for average new yorkers to be ticked off, very ticked off about rising crime and some very violent activity in the city the last few days. quite another when the most influential businesses on the planet are letting the mayor he better do something and soon.
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charlie gasparino has more on what has come of the meeting. charlie? >> the bankers employ a lot of average people. everybody thinks that banks and insurance companies and real estate companies only enploy people that take cabs and limos to work. they don't. they employ a lot of average beam. that what has happened the employers that run the businesses really up in arms. they had a meeting with eric adams that lasted about a half an hour. this comes after the tragic death of daniel enriques that was shot tragically sunday as he was going to brunch on a subway platform. we understand from the meeting here, some of the things that were said and communicated to mayor adams, david solomon, the ceo of goldman sachs, told the group that he called eric adams
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and told him point blank, why it's a big-time tragedy, it's not isolated. his employees feel unsafe because of crime and it's hard to do reopenings post pandemic unless they feel safe. they feel more threatened by crime than covid. that was essentially the message given to eric adams and david solomon very particularly because it hit home close to him. an interesting addition to the line-up here. al sharpton was on the call from what we understand. the controversial reverend is a he's a supporter of mayor adams that crime has to be dealt with. business leaders and community leaders and civil rights leaders need to come together to deal with crime to make sure violent crime comes down in the city
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because it's also raging out of control. that is an interesting take here. adams told the ceos he can't fix the problem alone, this is occurring on large part because prosecutors and judges are letting people out of jail with criminal records. there's bail reform that he can't get fixed up in albany, which says that there's no bail for a lot of violent criminals, so they're let back on the streets. so it's not something that he and the police can do alone. the police chief was on the call. he told ceos that the nypd is ramping up officer presence in 40 precincts where crime is the highest. and there's going to be more cops on the streets, on play grounds, in front of schools. they want to show a force in the coming weeks for the summer as the crime problem rages out of control. corey did say there's good news.
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homicides are down. but subway crime is raging out of control, even mr. corey, the police chief, would agree. the ceos were civil but reiterated that people continue to move out of the city. businesses will continue to move out of the city unless crime is dealt with. this is an economic issue for mayor adams, they said, as well as a civil issue and a civil rights issue. people should have the right to go to work without being harassed, which they told the mayor every they their employees are being harassed on the streets of new york. adams says he understands but reiterated a lot of this is out of his control, out of the police control and up to prosecutors. that's where we are right now. the beginning of a dialogue. you know, whether anything was accomplished, i can't tell you. the strongest argument the ceos have, if they don't make the city safe, we'll find a city that is safer. finance, insurance and real estate industry in this city,
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neil, which is partnership for new york represents, the big lobby group is the biggest employer in the city. they employ like 500,000 people. if they start volting, new york city will be a place where eric adams will be enjoying much night life. the economy will suffer dramatically. back to you. >> neil: just being safe. that's it. charlie gasparino, thanks very much. you heard about the trump bump. everybody focusing on what happened in the governor's race in georgia. but did you hear what happened in the secretary of state race there? the victor who was not a trump favor is next. when it comes to preserving our wealth, we never have complete control. not really. we can't control inflation, we can't control government debt, we can't control a declining dollar... i could go on. but buying gold and silver from rosland capital... is a way to help take control. rosland capital - a trusted leader
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>> neil: you know by now that georgia governor brian kemp was not donald trump's favorite and the former president was doing everything in his power to make sure that he wouldn't get nominated to run for another
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four-year term. but he disliked someone even more than governor kemp. that guy also easily succeeded at beating a trump-picked candidate. i'm talking about brad raffensperger who beat his opponent and a reminder of something that bradded had said. the secretary state brad raffensperger with us right now. thanks for being here. >> thank you, neil. >> neil: i can remember talking to you after the 2020 election, concerns about whether it was a fair election or accurate election and you stuck to your guns. when there were challenges to that, you examined them three
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times, that it was fair. donald trump didn't agree with that. he targeted you for defeat. he failed. how do you feel? >> well, i feel great i won my race obviously with 52%, nearly 20% over the congressman, former congressman he will be shortly. but what is really exciting is we had record turnout for the primary. 1.9 million people voted. we had 850,000 before election day at another 1,000,050. that's almost where we were in the 2020 race in a presidential year. so we had record turnout, all forms of voting. and you have to understand, when we passed the election act, everybody said it would decrease turn you'd. >> neil: i remember. >> we told them there's no truth to that. voters came out three weeks, two saturdays. we had recorderly voting turnout
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and record election day turnout. we have photo id for all forms of voting and we have security and confidence. that's what you saw this past tuesday. >> neil: i wonder when so many got it wrong about characterizing the new voter changes and we saw the numbers up across the board, how do you get your good name back on this thing? you've been characterized from the white house, the president saying jim crow laws, racist. has anyone come to apologize to you? >> we continue to put our head down and do the work. the counties ran a great election. we had over a million people to show up to vote. we had more people in the primary than in the federal 2020 race. we had great turnout. we had some ten-minute times where the precincts were
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extended due to minor issues that we had. by and large, it was the most smoothly run elections in georgia history. >> when the president of the united states, donald trump, was pressuring you and screaming at you and demanding that you find more votes, we don't know what to believe in that and there was pressure in the party and trump acolytes that said that you were not a true republican, you were a rino and all of that, i know governor kemp was hearing the same thing, you both triumphed. your feelings towards the former president and whether you would want his support, whether you would like him to campaign for you or for that matter the governor. >> we've been all over the state. people recognized i was out there working hard. i outworked the fellow i ran against. i talked to people, giving them the data, the facts.
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so i have a ten-page letter to congress. congress has it. nothing changed since that i wrote that january 6, 2021, except we found two more dead people. it's things like that. so we continue to talk to people. gently explain here's what happened in 2020. 28,000 people skipped the raise and voted down ballot in other races. we look at turnout here. more people showed up on election day in the primary than the federal race. that's another reason that president trump came up short. we also made sure that we defended and continue to defend in court right now the election integrity act of 2021. i'm also pushing back against people that don't want me to do citizenship verification. georgians need to be voting in our elections. an stacey abrams is fighting us in court to try to stop us from
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doing that. we'll take that to the supreme court. that's too important. >> neil: finally, let me ask you sir, during the heat of this, president trump said that stacey abrams would have been a better bet than brian kemp. it got that bad. if he were to come to your states and say the same thing now, what would you say? >> well, it's what the people of georgia say. i think our governor had a resounding victory. he got over 72% of the vote. our governor is very popular. he will have a strong push and continue to work hard. he worked hard, i worked hard. our entire republic will work hard. we want fair and honest elections. we've been recognized by heritage, number 1 in the country for election integrity under my watch. so we have photo i.d. for all forms of voting, record turnout,
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record registrations. we have struck the right plans between access ability with security. we're the model for the rest of the country. president biden's home state of delaware only has ten days of early voting. we have 17 days here in georgia. that's a great example right there. the difference between a democrat blue state and a republican red stated. we give you opportunities to vote. >> neil: you stuck to your guns and you verified what that was all about. it was never the way it was presented and the proof is in the pudding and these record numbers are those that went to the polls. brad raffensperger, thanks very much. congratulations again. >> thank you, neil. >> neil: before we take a quick break here, corner of wall and broad, a big rally. the week is going like this. it's an up week. we got encouraging news out only some retailers like dollar treat and nordstrom and macy's that are bucking the trend that everybody has stopped shopping. we have one more day to go.
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>> neil: well, i don't know if it's a record number of americans taking to the sky ways
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and the highways to get out for the long memorial day weekend. the unofficial kickoff of summer, a good many are despite gas prices rights now that have gone up more than 45 cents a gallon in the last couple months. jeff flock on how they're getting ready to have fun in new jersey. hi, jeff. >> it's supposed to, neil, be a tremendously great year here along the jersey shore. if, that is, people can afford the gas to get here. i'm walking the boards in seaside heights, new jersey. you can see her the casino pier where i myself as a young man spent a lot of time misspent youth getting in trouble. now the trouble is found at the gas station. take a look at the numbers. another all-time record for gas. it's not moved much in the last week or so, it's 1.50 more than last year. the fear is that begins to bite
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into things like retail and food and drink and lodging and things that people say they are going to spend less money on. a third of people say that they're going to spend less on retail, less on entertainment than they did because of the high gas price. we talked to an expert on travel that says people to have money in their pockets, so they're going to spend, at least the beginning of the summer. listen. >> whether it's gas, hotels, air fare, food, inflation, it's crazy right now. people are paying it. so hotels can get away with it. restaurants can get away with it, airlines can get away with it. the demand is there. >> the demand is there now, neil. the question is as people go throughout the summer, will it continue to stay there? tomorrow the rides will be rocking and rolling for the summer. i used to ride -- well, not that roller coaster. it fell in the atlantic. i did ride on the roller coaster
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(children giggling) hey, i was, uh, thinking about going back to school to get my masters. i just saw something that said you could do it in a year for, like, $11k. hmm. barista: order eleven! yeah, see you at 11. 1111 masters boulevard, please. gonna be eleven even, buddy. really? the clues are all around us! some things are too obvious to be a coincidence. >> neil: this texas shooter
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was on social media detailing his plans to attack an elementary school. hillary vaughn is getting capitol hill's reaction to how they hope to rein in on social media companies that would allow that to happen. >> facebook took action after the shooter's disturbing social media activity came to light. they took down his instagram and his facebook page. texas governor greg abbott detailed what was in those messages that they shooter centrist minutes for the massacre. >> the first post was to the point of he said "i'm going to shoot my grandmother." the second post was "i shot my grandmother." the third post, may be less than 15 minutes before arriving at the school was "i am going to shoot an elementary school." >> mehta says these were not public posts but private messages sent from the shooter
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to someone else, their spokesperson tweeting "the messages governor abbott described were private one-to-one text messages that were discovered after the terrible tragedy occurred. we are closely cooperating with law enforcement in their ongoing investigation." >> neil: thank you very much. to after mccarthy, these guys don't waste a nanosecond taking down what they deem offensive political posts. very different when it comes to far more threatening ones. what do you think? >> that's true, neil. it's true that there is a big difference between what the government can do and what these governments can do. they have a lot of latitude, these companies, to pull down stuff they find objectionable under their terms of service. it gives them a lot more ability than, say, the government would have under the first amendment. >> neil: let's say you are a
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facebook, you can make the argument that the shooter's musings privately to a woman half a world away aren't the same because -- and maybe a couple others. the only ones hearing it. >> neil, they are a private company so they have a lot of ability to take down anything at all that they find objectionable and probably even stuff that's outside their terms of service. >> neil: what if they don't know about it? only a couple of users know about it. i think they are saying that. once i did find out, they did take it down. >> they don't have the capacity to monitor in real-time all of perhaps coming billions but certainly millions of communications that go back and forth at the same time. that's just the nature of the beast. >> neil: lesson here is go slow overseeing this or what?
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hard to say. okay. andy mccarthy on this development. republicans and democrats are united on this. it's another piece of information that they are using to say all right, social media companies besides their political points of view, now more grist for the mill as to how far they should be regulated if regulated at all. we shall see. "the five" is now. ♪ ♪ >> judge jeanine: hello, everyone. i am judge jeanine pirro along with harold ford jr., jesse watters, katie pavlich and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." >> it was reported that a school district police officer confronted the suspect that was making entry. not accurate. he w


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