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can i have one? >> "jesse watters primetime." >> jesse: rebecca parson will be on. she is a democratic socialist running for congress. she wants homeless people to break into homes. >> greg: let me -- >> judge jeanine: shelter. >> greg: my show is also great. that's tonight and going to be a big surprise. >> judge jeanine: we are out of time. that's it for us. "special report" is up next. hey, bret. >> bret: what is that oreo and ritz? >> judge jeanine: oreo and ritz cracker. i will send it to you. >> bret: that's crossing. good evening, welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. breaking tonight we are learning, unfortunately a elementary school there are increasing questions tonight about the law enforcement response including how much time elapsed before officers stormed the school and killed that gunman. and whether he gained access to an unlocked door as it appears
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now. statements from authorities today only added to the confusion and criticism and the concern from parents. correspondent jeff paul is live in uvalde tonight with the search for answers, good evening, we now know from the time the suspect crashed his truck it took him about 12 minutes to get inside this school but it's the hour that took place between when officers first engaged with the shooter and they killed him that is now raising more questions than answers. >> life will never be the same again. never. >> piecing together the puzzle of tuesday's mass shooting in uvalde as a small texas community warns a painstaking investigation into what happened before and during tuesday's massacre. we now know there was not an armed school security guard and the gunman walked through an unlocked door. >> it was reported that a school district police officer confronted the suspect that was making entry. not accurate. he walked in unobstructed
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initially. >> police say the gunman was inside for one hour. killing 1 students and two teachers at robb elementary school. officers say they had to pull back when the suspect shot at them. >> they hear gunfire, they take rounds. they move back. get cover. and during that time they approached where the suspect is at. [shouting] >> a new timeline may help explain new cell phone video showing frustrated parents urgings police to charge into the school with some reportedly raising the idea of storming the building themselves. one teacher described the horror of not know going her class would be next. [sobbing] my kids were so scared. i got in front of them. i had to protect my children. >> the 18-year-old shooter was
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eventually killed by a border patrol team. >> as soon as they opened the door, they were taking gunfire. and i could tell you that those agents did everything they could to make sure that they neutralized that threat and they did everything they could to try to preserve as many lives as they possibly can. >> and the gunman's grandmother recovers after he shot her in the face. the suspect's grandfather said his grandson was quiet but he had no idea he was planning this horrific attack. >> i didn't know he had weapons or nothing or this or that there. if i would have known, i would have reported it. >> now, uvalde's police chief tonight responding to the frustrated community saying he knows these answers that they want will not come fast enough. but he says he, along with all the other law enforcement out here, are working as fast as they can to not only get all these answers out there and to also eventually figure out why this happened and exactly how it happened. bret? >> bret: tragic. jeff paul in uvalde, jeff, thanks. president biden will visit
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uvalde sunday. he is taking criticism tonight for signing an executive order placing new restrictions on police so soon after the shooting. and in the midst of a nationwide crime surge. republicans, meantime, also taking heavy criticism for not moving forward with any type of gun control. correspondent gillian turner has details tonight live from the north lawn of the white house, good evening, gillian. >> good evening, bret. here in washington the tragedy in jiewflted reegg nights pretty fierce partisan arguments about how to best protect kids in school. the white house is insisting in the wake of the 27th school shooting of the year the president will use every tool available to him. that is except for the one tool he has already used dozens of times to advance his top tier priorities. >> why not make an official interagency task force? >> because we have a whole of government approach. what we are saying right now is that we need help. we need assistance. the president cannot do this alone. the congress needs to act.
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>> the education secretary is telling the senate panel today republicans have brought nothing but bad ideas to the table. >> the solution of arming teachers in my opinion is further disrespect to a profession that's already beleaguered. >> senator rick scott, florida's governor during the parkland shooting, says republicans have put forth school protection measures this week and got nowhere. >> we had a bill yesterday we took to the floor that would basically codify a clearing house to give parents more information about the safety of their schools and chuck schumer went to the floor and blocked it. >> today senate minority leader mitch mcconnell instructed texas republican john cornyn to work across the aisle on a bipartisan solution. >> i think there is a sense of, you know, urgency that maybe we didn't feel before. >> but democrats aren't making any promises. >> if we don't succeed, we're having votes, we're putting people on the record. >> the intelligence community meanwhile assesses the domestic threat posed by shooters like
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the uvalde high schooler now surpasses all others. >> the threat of lone actors who look to protect everyday people going about their regular everyday lives. it's that threat that we continue to be most concerned about here in the homeland. >> one parent who lost a daughter in the parkland high school shooting says president biden is chasing the wrong threat. >> you got a president that is signing an executive order going after police officers. which is ridiculous. >> president biden signed that executive order on policing yesterday but as the ink is still drying it is getting some pretty fierce criticism. senator tim scott is essentially accusing democrats of pilfering the policy solutions he said he himself put forward two years ago in the justice act bill. that legislation was filibustered by democrats. bret? >> bret: good to point out. gillian turner live on the north lawn. thank you. strong quarterly results from retailers fueled a big day on we
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have the today. the dow surged 517. the s&p 500 gained 79. the nasdaq rose 306 today. a new york state appeals court has ruled former president donald trump must answer questions under oath in the civil investigation into his business practices. a four-judge panel in the appellate decision of the state's trial court up held a manhattan judge's ruling that decision enforced subpoenas for the former president and his two eldest children to give deposition testimony in the probe. trump lawyers argued the order violated their constitutional rights because their answers could be used in a parallel criminal investigation. the defense has rested in the trial of a hillary clinton campaign lawyer accused of lying to the fbi about the trump-russia probe. michael sussmann chose not to testify in his own defense. correspondent david spunt is outside the federal courthouse here in washington as he has been every night to tell us where things stand tonight. good evening, david. >> bret, two major developments
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in court today. the first we know that closing arguments will kick out tomorrow. the second one is the fact that michael sussmann, despite what some people thought he may, he ended up not testifying. it was the first time, bret, that we heard from michael sussmann directly in court as he stood before the judge, christopher cooper, and confirmed to the judge that he would not testify to defend himself on the stand. sussmann is charged with lying to the fbi, specifically then fbi general counsel james baker. when he came to baker in december 2016 and said he had information linking the trump organization to a russian bank with kremlin ties via a computer server. john durham, the special counsel says the actual lie is when sussmann told baker he was delivering the information on his own not on behalf of any clients. durham argues that success sussmann went on behalf of the clinton campaign and says that billing evidence he showed jurors proves it sussmann's team
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says he did nothing wrong and has had a long working relationship with the fbi and would never lie to the bureau. judge cooper today, bret, read instructions to jurors. told them to several questions chiefly was michael sussmann's statement false, fictitious and material to the investigation and also did michael sussmann act knowingly or willfully with the intention to break the law in the final question was the statement made in the executive branch of government, in this case the fbi? if jurors believe the government proved its case yard, they are instructed to find michael sussmann guilty. after closing arguments tomorrow, deliberations will likely begin tuesday after the long weekend and, bret, if color from the courtroomed to, i have noticed this and i have noticed this every day special counsel john durham is actively involved in this case. he sits at the table with his attorneys. he takes notes, passes notes. even today he crossed over to the aisle to make smalltalk with michael sussmann's defense team
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as michael sussmann just sat stoically a few feet away. bret? >> bret: all right. we will now wait for the jury. thank you. we will get analysis from george washington university law school professor jonathan turley. thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. >> bret: we followed this every day. what do you look at here? what's your assessment of it? >> well, the evidence is overwhelming, the defense really didn't lay a glove on the evidence, there is a very damning he text message the day before this meeting where sussmann says that i expressly says i'm not here representing a client, i'm just coming forth basically a citizen. the durham prosecution team made really short work of that and showed that he was billing for that time and he was intimately involved in the creation and distribution of the alpha bank scandal, which proved to be completely groundless. but there were moments of the trial that were really quiet
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breathtaking. i mean, you could see what durham is up against. at one point he asked baker, the former fbi general counsel, one of the lawyers asked why did you wait to give us -- hand over that incriminating text? and he just says sussmann is a friend of mine. this is your investigation. not mine. all of us were like wow, because you were one of the top people at the fbi and you are talking to the justice department. so. >> bret: so for somebody sitting at home we have been putting out the facts and day-to-day developments but piece it all together for them. why does this matter? >> well, it matters a lot. we have learned a lot. it is -- there has been questions raised as to why the mueller investigation did not uncover or reveal some of these details. what we now have a very clear pattern in both the steele dossier and the alpha bank scandal. both of them originated with the clinton campaign. the clinton campaign hid the funding of the steele dossier. was recently fined by the fec
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for doing that so they pushed these two separate parallel tracks. both went to the fbi. both went to the cia. both went to favorable people in the media. and they unleashed this torrent of media attention. >> bret: without telling them that it originally came from somebody tied to the campaign. >> that's right. what was really telling is this came out towards the end of the trial. one of the fbi agents sent a note saying that james comey, the former director of the fbi and all of his leadership aides were fired up to get going on the alpha bank allegation. what was striking about that is that the researchers that put this together said that they were afraid they would be mocked. they actually said what if these people are smart enough to see through this? how are we going to answer that. and the response was we just need a narrative. well, you know what? the clinton people were right. because when it went over to the fbi, apparently, according to
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this agent, james comey and the rest of the fbi were chomping at the bit. >> bret: as was the media in large part. let me read this from andy mccarthy. fbi leadership during russia that gate makes durham's trial sussmann trial tricky. he said he wasn't representing a client when in fact he was representing the clinton campaign no. doubt he said it case closed. down on earth it's never that simple. the crime ♪ making a false statement. it's making a false statement to the fbi. problem for durham how does he prove that sussmann's false statement mattered when the agents were also being mislead by their own bosses? good point? >> i almost always agree with andy. i disagree on this one point. that is it's true that the agents were told that this came from the department of justice. it did. it was referred through baker. that was the whole reason sussmann went to him. but baker said i would have handled this differently if i knew it was from the campaign. the problem for durham is the jury and the judge. i mean, he is face guiltying a
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jury that has three clinton donors, an aoc donor, and a woman whose daughter is on the same sports team with sussmann's daughter. i mean, with the exception of randomly selecting people out of the dnc headquarters, you could not come up with a worse jury. >> bret: welcome to washington, d.c. jonathan turley as always. thank you. >> thank you. >> bret: we are following all of this. up next, picking up the pieces in ukraine following russian troop occupation. we will have a live report from kharkiv. i speak with the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff mark tilly about taiwan and china's military power. >> we are ready to fight in a future war and prevail in a future war against whatever comes our way whether it's chinese, russians or anything else. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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>> bret: breaking tonight about an hour ago china and russia vetoed a u.s. would have imposed tough new sanctions on north korea for the missile test. the vote in the 15 member security council was 1-2. it marked a first serious division wielding members of the u.n.'s most powerful body on a north korea sanctions resolution. the nation's top diplomat meantime says the biden administration aims to leaded
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international block opposed to russia's invasion of ukraine into a broader coalition to counter what it sees global order from china. secretary of state antony blinken today. >> china is the only country with both the intent to reshape the international order and increasingly the economic, diplomatic military and technological power to do it. that's why this is one of the most complex and consequential relationships of any that we have in the world today. >> secretary blinken acknowledges the no ability to influence china's ambitions and focus instead on shaping the strategic environment around the country. the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff is reacting tonight to the controversy over president biden's recent remarks about the u.s. policy, if china were to invade taiwan. general mark milley talked with me at arlington national cemetery earlier today. ♪
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>> president biden has publicly said now three times the u.s. military would help defend taiwan if china attacked. >> the united states would come to taiwan's defense if china attacked. >> yes. we have a commitment to do that. >> are you willing to get involved militarily to defend taiwan if it comes to that? >> yes. >> bret: only to be walked by white house officials, the defense secretary had a clarifying moment and the president himself came out and said something different to clarify what he said. what message does all that send to china? is it confusing? do they get it? what message are we sending? >> well, first of all, the u.s. military is going to do whatever the president directs. and will execute that and we have the capability to execute that. no one around the world doubts the capability of the u.s. military. that's the first point. secondly it's the u.s. policy towards taiwan it hasn't changed but still the taiwan's relations act and the policy is still that we will continue to support a
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peaceful resolution of taiwan. that's really what our interest is. it's the one china policy and the unification of china with taiwan, that's up to the chinese people to determine and our interest is that it be done peacefully. >> bret: you take the china threat seriously. >> of course we think that's the it hey been for two in a row in secretary thats mass tis and second austin it is china 1979 and the reforms they made enormous gain in economic value and power and the power economic power of the world has shifted to northeast asia over the last 40, 50 years with that has come a really improved military and we shouldn't under estimate that military at all. it's a very capable military. that operates in space and cyber along with the traditional domains of land, sea and air. we have a real challenge on our hands and we need to stay astep ahead of them at all times. >> bret: we will have more with
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that conversation tomorrow and the rest of my interview monday, memorial day on "special report." ukraine's president says vladimir putin will not stop with ukraine in his territorial ambitions. this comes as russia continues its offensive in kharkiv. correspondent trey yingst is in that besieged ukrainian city again tonight. >> the body of a ukrainian civilian lies on the sidewalk. this afternoon, russian portions renewed the shelling of central kharkiv killing at least 8 people. >> the strikes were met by multiple rocket launchers and artillery, the enemy has engaged civilian population. >> outgoing artillery fire right now from the northern part of kharkiv. >> the battle rages on here as some civilians are returning to find their homes completely destroyed. the damage in kharkiv is extensive with entire apartment blocks destroyed. and as fighting continues across eastern ukraine, russian troops
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are making small territorial gains in areas that still house thousands of civilians. tatianna stands in front of her destroyed home outside of kharkiv. even with shelling nearby, she wants to return. >> i want to go back home but my home is completely destroyed. i hope that someone will rebuild it. >> the ukrainian military is struggling to retain territory further east in the lo hands province. volodymyr zelenskyy addressed the parliament stressing the urgency of the fight and vladimir putin won't be satisfied with only invading ukraine. >> in russia they say they will not only have enough with ukraine. they also needed the baltic states, poland and other european countries. >> this comes as leadership from the g-7 is considering a plan to allow russian oligarchs to purchase sanctions relief and
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then use that money for reconstruction in ukraine. bret? >> bret: trey yingst live in kharkiv, thank you. up next we learn new information about some of the victims of tuesday's mass shooting at that texas elementary school. first, beyond our borders tonight, british prosecutors charge actor kevin spacey with four counts of sexual assault three different man. he ran the theater 2014, 2015. he has faced similar allegations in the u.s. he has denied the allegations. this is a live look at japan. one of the big stories there tonight, japan will open its border to foreign tourists in june for the first time since imposing tight pandemic travel restrictions about two years ago. the prime minister says the new rules will allow only packaged tours for now. just some of the other stories beyond our borders tonight. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪
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♪ >> bret: amid the tears and heart break over tuesday's school shooting in uvalde, texas, there is even more grief tonight for a new victim. correspondent alexis mcadams has details. >> a mother in tears as 21 white crosses sit in front of this texas elementary school. each one stands for an innocent life lost in the uvalde school shooting. now, another tragedy as the husband of one of the heroic teachers has died. the family saying erma garcia's husband joe garcia passed away this morning of a medical emergency but really they say he died of a broken heart. this couple were high school sweet hearts. together for more than 30 years. they now leave behind four children. so many families left broken. the grandpa of jose flores
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remembering the last time he saw his 10-year-old grandson. now, the next time will be at his funeral. >> a little boy growing up. >> as families plan these services alli garcia's mom writing she can't eat, drink, or even get out of bed. sickened by the loss of her little girl. asking why this shooting wasn't prevented. other families have questions about the teen gunman. >> i just don't understand how people could take guns to a kid an 18-year-old. what he is going to use it for. >> the far of jacqueline grieving, holding the photo in his hands asking why police didn't respond sooner. >> i honestly think it could have been -- a lot more would have been prevented. prepared. >> with the unanswered questions, grief and anger, a
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local minister trying to offer comfort. >> cross here, you may cry because our hearts are broken but i also know and i also believe god's heart is broken. >> now, bret tonight, funeral homes in uvalde preparing for these services. some as soon as this weekend. this as a texas man i spoke with today is on his way to uvalde to donate 21 caskets. 19 of those custom for small kids. bret? >> bret: amazing. alexis, thank you. ♪ >> bret: we're getting a better understanding tonight of some of the lasting effects of the coronavirus. a new report says one in five adults survivors under the age of 65 had at least one condition considered to be what's called long covid. correspondent steve harrigan is in atlanta tonight to tell us what all that means. >> long covid is a simple phrase to cover a complex condition, a
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range of symptoms that can return after covid and linger for weeks even months. the most common symptoms effect the lungs but others are more difficult to diagnose and pin down including brain fog. the cdc estimates it can effect as many as one in five adult cases in the u.s. or as many as 15 million people. >> why do i have brain fog? why am i still so tired? why do i have weakness in my extremities? why do i get confused over basic easy things. >> science has no answers yet to those questions or why covid vaccines so effective in preventing serious illness or death from covid may offer little protection against long covid symptoms. an initial study by the department of veterans affairs of 30,000 americans showed that vaccines offered only a 15% difference when it came to preventing long covid symptoms. when it comes to fighting long covid, at this point doctors say
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the vaccines are not perfect. >> long covid effects different people in different ways. some people are left with injuries to their lungs, their hearts, and their kidneys. other people have these troublesome symptoms of aches and pains or recurrent headaches. >> the administration is racing to get more antiviral pills to those infected with covid provided at no cost. ordering 20 million courses of paxlovid from the drugmaker pfizer. >> the antiviral pills are part of the reason why covid cases in the u.s. have quadrupled since march, the number of deaths from covid in the u.s. have steadily declined. bret? >> bret: steve harrigan in atlanta. home of the cdc. steve, thanks. up next, the panel on questions about the timeline, the law enforcement response for tuesday's texas school shooting. first, here a is what some of our fox affiliates around the country are covering tonight. fox 25 in oklahoma city kevin
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>> he walked in unobstructed initially. so from the grandmother's house, to the ditch to the school into the school he was not confronted by anybody. at the end of the day our job is
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to report the facts and have those answers. we're not there yet. >> bret: authorities on the ground in uvalde telling us something different than we have heard over the past two days about the shooter, how he got into the school, the lack of a confrontation with research-resource officer. let's bring in our panel about the timeline first. juan williams a fox news analyst. josh holmes co-host of the ruthless podcast byion york political correspondent of the washington officer. byron this is different. all raised all kind of officers looks like an hour. ask doesn't encounter anybody when he goes into the school. police arrive at about 11:44. we know from the parents videos
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that the parents are protesting and asking begging police to go in about 11:54 just 10 minutes later. and but it takes an hour until 12:44 when we think that somebody in law enforcement finally kills the gunman. and so there are just enormous questions about what took place the texas authorities just said nothing today just think of the questions it raises. all of these questions were grievously wounded. did they all have to die in the course of that hour? we don't know. there is a lot for texas to explain. >> bret: there is we are not just going to go down the speculation. that said a lot of politicians, a lot of pundits took what we thought we knew and said, look, there was a police officer, look, the doors were locked. this means that that doesn't work. which is the problem in the fog of early news reporting on some of these things. >> juan: it sure is clearly, law enforcement had a flawed
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response. i don't think there is any doubt about that. and as byron was saying what they revealed today they are not clear exactly on what took place because they are not able to tell us or if they are clear, then they are hiding something. i do think that you have a situation where you did -- what you need this comes from the nra all you need to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. we know there was a good guy with a gun inside the school there was a security guard. and there were good guys with guns outside the school and clearly it did not stop this bad guy with a gun who killed so many children. you know, the overarching point though i think we have to reiterate and we heard this from somebody on the air on this show earlier. how is an 18-year-old able to get two assault weapons, 350 rounds of ammunition, body armor. >> bret: purchased it legally according to the authorities. how did he get the money? what was the deal? a lot to know.
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we have a lot to know. meantime the politics and the policy, josh. your old boss, senator mitch mcconnell told cnn he encouraged senator john cornyn to work with senators kyrsten sinema from arizona, chris if murphy and others interested in trying to get an outcome directly related to the problem. cornyn has shown compassion, willingness to work with democrats on similar issues before. what does this mean. >> well, i think the key words there are directly related to the problem, right? i think as we have just discussed. those facts are still emerging. i mean, they are still very real questions about whether there was a presence of a guard is and whether they did have any armed presence there at all. who this effort is to be responsive. not enough to simply throw up your hands there are good ideas that are out there. i think republicans are more closely to hardening security around the schools. obviously democrats have ha longstanding want in the gun
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reform, gun control space. >> bret: right. is there any path to some compromise thing? we always talk about this, josh. but, is there anything that even on the background check side, the manchin-tomb legislation, something like that that incorporates something else? is it possible now, knowing capitol hill like you do, that this is changed. >> i think that's where the senator cornyn piece comes into this, bret. if you recall after a few years ago after a shooting in a church in texas he took what was called a fix nics bill. what it was was information sharing between federal and state authorities to do background checks, right? to make sure that there were no flags out on purchasers in texas and across this country where they have the background check system to share that information. he brought a really bipartisan coalition together to do that, to fix a problem that was very specific to that shooting. i think that's the goal here, too. and as these facts emerge, like i say, it is not irrelevant what
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the ultimate facts on the ground were in terms of how that bipartisan coalition comes together. >> bret: we often say this is not just possible if you start talking about guns on capitol hill especially with this split it's just not going to happen. i don't know if you can say no this time completely. byron, let me just get to this. we have heard from a lot of different people, including former president obama on twitter who says as we grieve the children of uvalde today, we should take time to recognize that two years have passed since the murder of george floyd under the knee of a police officer. his killing stays with us all to this day, especially to those who loved him. nikki haily, former governor, former ambassador to the u.n., what? i will be the first to say this is hard to find the words for the pain we are all feeling over the shooting but this is the time to support and lift up these families. this tweet was a flashback to your presidency further division, stop, already, this is not the time. we have seen all kinds but a former president that's kind of
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interesting. >> really tone deaf, this intruded on events from the white house. the 25th of may was the second anniversary of the death of george floyd. the president was going to issue an executive order with some new limits on police. he had promised this for a long time to the democratic base. so. >> bret: he did do it but he got overshadowed. >> go ahead and do it and all overshadowed with what is happening in texas. >> bret: threat from china first a new fox nation documentary series premiering today, can you stream it right now called the unauthorized history of the vietnam war. takes a fresh look at the controversial episode from america's past, including what the latest research tells us. it's really fascinating about the biggest battle of the war. the so-called tet offensive and how military victory in vietnam became a defeat for lyndon johnson. here at home. here's an excerpt.
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>> bret: 53,000 americans gave their lives in the vietnam war. the vietnam memorial dedicated in 1982, is inscribed with the name of every member of the u.s. armed forces who either gave their lives in the war or are still missing. it is the most visited monument in washington, d.c. a testament to the fact that vietnam remains an important part of the american story. >> i went right from high school into the military. i was wounded three times before i was even 19 years old. so, i was just thanking god that i was still alive. i couldn't believe at times i felt like a ghost.
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for many years i felt like i was omni serve but somehow i was not really of it. and i think anybody that's been through war has similar feelings express add little bit differently, but you are just wondering if you have been in heavy combat, you know, how did i survive that? and at some point you just make peace with it. that's what happened to me. >> i just started my 79th year and i don't know how much time i have got left. but one of the things i want to spend time on is helping the american people to understand that we were right to fight in vietnam and that the men and women who sacrificed deserve their respect.
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>> bret: the vietnam war is one of the most misunderstood periods in american history. >> everything about the conventional view is wrong and it could have been won. >> they had 50,000 focused on the political warfare. >> once people decided that they needed to [inaudible] war then it made stones portray our enemy as being actually not so bad. it was freedom and liberty vs. tyranny. >> bret: the global effects of the vietnam war still resonate today. there is much more to uncover. will put together the missing pieces. >> the unauthorized history of the vietnam war. streaming now exclusively on fox nation.
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u.s. control of the reasonable. chinese's move comes as wii begin a visit to the region this week. we're back with the panel. juan, we have always known the-we heard it from the trump administration, the biden has not talked about it as much. now they are almost every week in some china way. >> it's driving. of the policy decisions being made even though we are talking about russia and the ukraine. the way they are thinking is that china is a much larger threat, especially long term and that much of the effort to rebuff at this moment is intended as a signal to china. you think about china has got a bigger economy. it's got a bigger military, except for the nuclear arsenal. and it's on the rise of a power as a world power as a player
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around the globe. so, russia, by contrast, is impoverished, incompetent. kleptocracy just doesn't compare to the threat to the united states posed by china at this moment. and i think that china has to, given what's taking place in the ukraine recalibrate on taiwan. taiwan is actually a stronger country than ukraine if it comes to resisting the imposition of chinese power. >> bret: yeah. china is a stronger military than russia's, josh, and i think russia has shown that it didn't live up to any of the hype going in. as they look at that equation, there are more and more people in the administration thinking taiwan is going to happen at some point. it doesn't -- it didn't help with the president's back and forth on the policy. >> well, yeah. that's right. it certainly looked inevitable at the beginning of this administration with the initial foreign policy decisions that they made, including the manner in which they got out of afghanistan. that sent a clear message to
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vladimir putin about ukraine, sent a clear message to xi about taiwan. now, i do think they are right in that the chinese are watching very, very closely about what's happening in terms of the world response in ukraine. if that is the sticky wicket as it appears to be for russia, that definitely sends a clear message, right? there is no disconnect on. that was look, much of what blinken talked about is absolutely true in terms of the importance of us being able to compete vis-a-vis china and the world stage. the problem that i have with an awful lot of it is the domestic policy agenda of the biden administration doesn't necessarily match up to that compete type piece that we see on the international stage. love to compete. how about we stop sort of hamstringing our energy and technology and everything else in order to do that. which i think is the problem they have got. >> bret: byron? >> the russian invasion of ukraine was kind of like reality intruding on this grand desire
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to reorient u.s. foreign policy toward china. i do think the most important message that blinken was trying to send was, look, we have put together this large and powerful coalition in support of ukraine. got the idea it could happen to you. so i think that the biggest message he was sending is that the united states has united much of the world on this and could try to do the same thing to china. >> bret: yeah, we're going to watch this closely and more of that interview with the chairman of the joint chiefs tomorrow and then monday. panel, thanks so much. ♪ ♪ >> bret: finally tonight, a special report salute, a man was stranded on a 500-foot cliff near daily city in san mateo california. check this out. after a call from a local fisherman and quick responding, california highway patrol the man was safely hoisted from danger. no injuries reported 500 feet up. oof, there you go a special
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report salute. tomorrow on "special report" former president trump delivers remarks at the national rifle association's convention the nra in houston. something tells me that will be covered. thanks for inviting us into your home tonight. that's it for "special report" fair, balanced and still unafraid. "jesse watters primetime" starts right now. jesse, did you have the oreo-ritz cracker thing? >> jesse: i had three. they are delicious. thank you. ♪ >> jesse: it's been over 48 hours since the disgusting shooting in uvalde, texas left 19 children and two teachers dead. and two days out, we're still trying to figure out what happened. this afternoon, the texas department of public safety attempted to clear the air but ended up leaving us with more questions than answers. so let's start with what we do know and see how the timeline of terror unfolded. >> on tuesday, may 24th, at