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work better. you can stream that tonight on fox nation. tomorrow night we got a special show for you. joe biden and the economy, we will spend the full hour investigating what's going on and how it will affect you. we think it's worthwhile. we will be back. every night, 8:00 p.m., the show that's the sworn enemy of lying, verbosity, smugness and groupthink. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> welcome to the special edition of "hannity," everybody, i'm tammy bruce in for sean. and tonight, series no details about the timeline from tuesday's shooting in uvalde, texas. raising more questions than answers. according to reports, the shooter fired his gun outside of school for 12 minutes before entering. jeff paul is with us.
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jeff. >> a very frustrating community, and it all goes back to a video that's been making its rounds were about the last 12 hours or so showing parents understandably frustrated, standing outside the school at some point outside the mesh should have, held back by police officers. many parents wanting to go inside and do something and check on their kids. and now texas dps is responding. they tell us really right now they don't have too many details but they started filling in some of the blanks, especially when it comes to this timeline. if the one thing that stuck out is that it only took the shooter 12 minutes from the time he crashed his truck to get inside the school and investigators say they believe the door on the west side where he entered was unlocked. investigators also say that it was at this point during the first few minutes that he was inside the school where most of the shots were fired. texas dps also cleared up there was not an armed school police officer on campus as they had previously reported. 4 minutes after the shooter got
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inside, police entered but were immediate we shot at so they sort of backed off, called backup. all law enforcement and the area to help and respond. they say it was then an hour later where border patrol officers arrived, eventually shooting and killing the suspect. >> we want to know what happened, recreate the scene. that takes days. that takes hours, that takes time. a lot of information. we will have to do a lot of interviews. >> this community is very much still mourning, and that was evidenced at the school today as you could see people showing up to pay their respects. 21 crosses placed on school grounds showing the sort of love and respect for the 19 students and two teachers and died, we've seen a constant flow of people showing up, praying, leaving flowers, trying to make sense of the unthinkable thing that happened here behind us at robb elementary school.
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one of the teachers who was there spoke with our crew last night at the vigil, just couldn't really make out the words as she was so emotional, referring to her students as her own children. tammy. >> tammy: jeff, thank you. it is clearly crushing and literally unbelievable, but it's real and none of us will ever be the same. thank you for your report, sir. 19 innocent kids, two adults murdered on tuesday. this includes course a teacher named irma garcia who was killed trying to protect the children that she was charged with, those little students from the deranged gunman in her fourth grade class. prepare yourselves, everyone, her husband, joe, died from a heart attack. talk about a broken heart, literally. they leave behind four children. this is the reality of the individual impact of this kind of heinous monstrous event. now joining us with more on the ground in texas is fox news contributor sara carter. a lot to unpack here, sarah. you are right there. so much going on, information
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moving so quickly. we understand everyone is still going to be in shock and get some of the things we are learning is stunning. we've got to go there because we are all talking about why does this keep happening, we got to learn how to change this. what are you seeing on the ground? >> oh, absolutely, tammy. i did get off the phone shortly with texas dps. i have been told that the texas rangers are conducting a full investigation into the timeline and what occurred here. we are expecting a lot of texas rangers as well to be arriving tonight. as for irma garcia, the teacher who lost her life protecting her children, i want you to take a look behind me. all of the people from this town that are showing up here right off of main street in uvalde, there are 21 crosses being signed all day. we've been here for most of the
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day. by children, by people from out of town, but people here in texas who have driven seven hours, some of them, eight hours, just to come here and leave flowers and toys for the children. irma garcia's cross is among her children here as well as the other teacher who lost her life, and reports are that irma was literally holding her children in her arms when they found her body in the body of the children. her husband -- it's devastating -- but joe garcia came to the memorial yesterday, he came to the memorial to bring flowers for his lovely wife who had been married to for 24 years. they were high school sweethearts and according to family members, the minute he got home he collapsed with a broken heart and lost his life. he had four children, the oldest being 23, the youngest i am told being in the seventh grade. if you know, i've been talking,
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tammy, two people here in the community. it's been very difficult for many people close to the situation to talk publicly. some have felt comfortable, others have not felt comfortable. i did have a chance to speak with a member of this community, a rancher, he manages a large ranch right here in uvalde county and here is what he had to say. >> so many people are wondering, why would someone do this, and it almost feels as though part of this town's spirit has been wounded. >> for sure, but it's resilient. you know, i talked to someone today who works at the hospital and, you know, he said i was working with the children yesterday and kids that were wounded were not worried about themselves, they weren't worried that they were shot in the leg or this, that, and the other one, they were worried about their teacher. they were worried about their
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friends. >> what do you say to a child, you know? >> you don't. you can't. you cry with them, i guess. my daughter of course -- sorry -- went to school at robb elementary. she's now a teacher, but she taught in uvalde last year and has connection with many kids and she sat in those classes of those kids -- that those kids were in. and she's just reeling. you know, she's crying, she can't believe it. you know, she just can't come to grips with it, and so seeing that, how it affected her, and she's a teacher, and saying you know, this changes everything, changes all you feel, this is something that you don't ever connect with when you see it on the news, but now it's your home and we are really connected to it. >> they are very connected to it, tammy.
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he was right. you know, i was with john when his daughter called him and he had her on speakerphone and introduced her to me and she was gasping for breath while she was talking to her father. it was just -- it was so devastating, but i got to tell you, you know, i did -- i do know people here in this community, i've interviewed people here before, including john, and one of them was a little girl who was in the fourth grade who fortunately was not tragically killed like her classmates. she is a home study student, but she was friends with all the kids in the classroom and when i saw her, tammy, it was just that moment, you know, she looked at me, i said hey, sweetie, how are you holding up, and she just broke down crying. and all i could do was just hold her in my arms, you know, let her cry. it's is a very heartbreaking situation. i think we all across the country are connecting to it, like i said. people are bringing gifts from all across the country and also
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donations for the families and for the loved ones and for the burial. i know that uvalde police department is coordinating that here with mayor, don mclaughlin. so if anybody wants to be of service, if anybody wants to help the families here in uvalde, they can certainly contact the uvalde police department as well as city hall. tammy. >> tammy: sarah, great reporting, and that's important to know, as we tend to go to the political fight, which of course these stories that you're talking about reflect the humanity involved in real life. they don't care about, you know, the pundits or the fights and all of that, but we'd also want to help. you now have four children who have lost both parents. that family. and is there any other fund-raising, or is it really -- is it just really contacting the city center there in the mayor's office to help financially and otherwise? >> i know there are gofundme
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sites, but i've spoken to mayor don mclaughlin. i've spoken to people here in town, they said the uvalde police department as well as the local banks here are coordinating so that they will ensure that 100% of the money gets to the families and gets to the victims. >> tammy: good, we got to make sure about that. keep up the great work, thanks for being there. so now look, according to today's troubling new reports, the gunman was in fact inside robb elementary school for up to an entire hour while law enforcement in fact waited outside. these are multiple reports. video in fact shows parents on the scene begging police to go inside. according to one mother who drove 40 miles to the school, "the police were doing nothing, they were just standing outside the fence. they weren't going in there or running anywhere." the mother then told "the wall street journal" that she ran from the crowd, jumped the school fence, went inside the school and rescued her own
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children in the midst of this. joining us now with reaction is former homicide detective and fox news contributor ted williams. and the coast of the buck sexton and clay travis show, buck sexton, who is also a former member of the nypd's intelligence division. gentlemen -- ted, let me start with you. it's good to see you. clearly they are still morning and there is still sadness and grieving and there's now some rage as we get more information, because we've got to know this information in order to know what to do and what goes wrong and what we can fix. tell me your thoughts now with what we are seeing and how this is unfolding for us so far. >> as you've already said, we do have to get this information, and we have to get it right and we need to know the truth of what took place. we were told yesterday in a press conference by the governor and the head of the
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texas rangers and the lieutenant governor and other officials there that the first person to come in contact with this killer was a security officer at that back door. the backdoor we now now learned was unlocked. we also now know that there was no security officer, and we also know that by the time this guy got into that school, into that room, there was gunshots, and then this guy was in there for one hour. and i'd like you to think about this and i'd like our audience to think about this. you had 19 children that had been shot and you had 17 or more that had been injured, and those kids were in there for one hour with this killer and those who are now living, i am sure, tammy, that they are scarred and perhaps scarred for life, and
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what should have happened, what should have happened is what happened 23 years ago. we learned a lesson at columbine, and that is, to go in, the law enforcement, and neutralize the person right away. that did not happen here. they gave us false information yesterday and as a result of that, unfortunately, some kids may have been saved -- we don't know that but there could have been some people say. >> tammy: we know, buck, just from this report from "the wall street journal" if it's accurate, a mom goes into the arena, gets into the building in the midst of all of this, accesses the building, finds her children, removes them from the building -- again, this is from her report, "wall street journal" reporting what she's told them, and rescued her own children, a mom did this. this is also -- when we think about the governor, perhaps they were given the wrong
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information, that it looks like the local police report -- they were reporting -- nobody seems to have the correct information at all. what do you think with your background in intelligence and what's required here? i know it's a small town. no one is going to forgive themselves for the rest of their lives. we don't want to pile on here, but we must note the nature of what missteps were taken. >> that's absolutely right, because it's essential that we do what's necessary going forward to try to prevent and certainly mitigate to the greatest degree possible a situation like this. and i just say that the timeline of what we know right now occurred from law enforcement perspective response is just unacceptable. it's too long, it's too slow, so i understand they are saying there are additional details that need to come out, but the fact of the matter is just based upon what has already been confirmed, they had an active shooter who was still shooting over the course of that hour of the weight while he was inside
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and the prior point was already made that there may have been children who were hit, who were bleeding out. speed is absolutely of the essence and that you could have had as many as around 100 law-enforcement officers on the scene setting up a cordon and preventing parents from going in and then a parent actually manages to get in and save her own children just goes to show you this was a breakdown and people are going to be studying this in the law-enforcement community for a long time i think about just how command and control on the scene, what tactics, techniques and procedures need to change here, what was the breakdown, how did this occur, because nobody would ever look at this, study this situation from a pure law enforcement perspective and say this is the way -- this is the playbook, this is how we are supposed to respond in this circumstance. i know it's a small town, they don't have a lot of resources but they had a lot of armed personnel on the scene and 118-year-old with a rifle. >> tammy: tad, we saw some of this also when it came to the parkland shooting. clearly that played out where we know about school resource
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officer hiding, different police department coming in to finally move in that environment, that what happens on the ground can be shocking. these are people who are trained to do something. you have to wonder. it's like our police affected by the rhetoric within hearing for years about law enforcement? is this a dynamic that there needs to be massive national retraining about how to respond to a violent incident? but it seems strange that when even -- especially children are involved, schools in this dynamic, parkland and now here, that things were not done when they could have been done. what do you think, ted? , is at the core of this reticence and problem? >> you know, listen, in defense of the police, there's always a great deal of confusion when you have these kinds of unfortunate events. but there were kids in there. these law-enforcement officers knew that there were kids in there, and these kids should
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have been immediately -- there should have been an attempt to rescue them. even if you would have tried to breach the door, they should have had some kind of way to try to get into that room and they should have got in right away. you could not wait an hour. just think about it, young kids and their terribly upset because they waited one hour before going in there to try to rescue them. >> tammy: absolutely shocking. buck, i will give you the last word here. every day is going to bring new information. everyone involved is shocked and struggling with how they acted and what happened. where do you think we go from here? >> unfamiliar with how bureaucracies work, including law-enforcement bureaucracies, and i think that some of the reported information that turned out to be incorrect, there's a bit of a scrambling going on among some of the authorities
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involved here to come up with what the narrative will be that doesn't end up sounding like a lot of cop stood around with screaming parents saying save our children inside, there's a maniac murdering them, i think that's honestly -- the take away here is going to be that they don't really want to get the information out there quickly because the information of the response here is not good. the law-enforcement spots -- with the exception of the border patrol tactical team that went in there and ended the threat. >> tammy: thank you, gentlemen, this comes down to no matter what kind of a plan you might have, no matter how much money, what the strategies are, it comes down to the humanity, the humans involved in being able to act on that. thank you so much for joining me tonight. democrats just can't stop attacking republicans over this week's shooting. congresswoman lauren boebert, charlie hurt, and joe concha will join us with reaction after the break.
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♪ ♪ >> tammy: unfortunately tonight the tragic massacre in texas is only leading to more division across washington and leading to more shameless political stones from democrats. rather than move forward with real substantive solutions to keep our kids safe, many on the left are retreating to the same tired talking points and the same worn-out smear tactics. for example, in the senate, majority leader chuck schumer blocked the republicans built on school safety measures, claiming it would put more guns in schools. and over in the house, congressman lauren boebert is standing up against yet another batch of attacks from her college alexandria ocasio-cortez. the representative will join us in just a moment. even former president barack obama is finding himself embroiled in controversy, not entirely surprising here. after a bizarre tweet linking the school shooting with the ma.
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the 44th president tweeted "as we grieve the children of uvalde today, we should take time to recognize that two years have passed since the murder of george floyd under the knee of a police officer. his killing stays with us all to this day, especially those who love him." look, everyone, right, this is not some kind of twisted competition, mr. obama. the former president has once again reminded americans why he was the original divider in chief. meanwhile, last night in miami, before game 5 between the heat and the celtics, the p.a. announcer said this following a moment of silence. >> the heat urges you to contact your state senators by calling 202-204-3121 to leave a message demanding their support for common sense gun laws. [cheers and applause] you can also make change at the ballot box. visit heat.com/boat to register and let your voice be
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heard this fall. >> tammy: that sounded like a little bit of booing i think in fact. florida senator marco rubio responded the nba doesn't like to talk about the billions they make from china that enslaves uighur muslims and harvest their organs. they have no problem politicizing a horrific tragedy in america. so look, here everyone it's just crazy. for reaction we have fox news contributor's joe concha and charlie hurt along with colorado congresswoman lauren boebert. thank you all. congresswoman, my first time being able to talk with you, and i know that you've had a back-and-forth with ocasio-cortez, and what all of us are looking at though is beyond, you know, that kind of argument and rhetoric, what exactly is happening? we know that things are being stopped in congress, people want to know where the republicans are at, where you're at when it comes to what the next step can be taken for some real change here. >> right. well, first of all, of course my heart mourns for what has taken
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place, and once again unfortunately we've proven that gun-free zones are deadly and we cannot legislate evil. what i want real solutions. not just tweets. i want our schools secured. i want their children protected, and i want teachers that can protect themselves and their students. and you know what? we can achieve this without trying to disarm law-abiding citizens. for me, this is my equalizer. i need a way to protect myself and my children, and my firearm is my equalizer, my tool to do that. and what i've seen from democrats is them trying to use this tragedy to their advantage, their radical political agenda. it's shameful. schumer blocking the school safety bill on the floor just yesterday, sandy cortez tweeting at me, but she hasn't taken on my offer to actually meet and work together, and of course we saw beto acted like a total jerk and try to use the deaths of these children as a prop to
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advance his political candidacy. when 9/11 happened, we didn't ban planes, we secured the cockpit. and of course leave it to barack obama to make this issue more divisive instead of allowing the nation to come together, mourn, and heal. >> tammy: i have to say that certainly after november that congress is going to look very, very different, but the effort to at least -- there is common ground on things that we can find, we know it, some people don't want to find solutions, joe. they are not interested in working together because their life and their -- the donations come in when they are fighting with. what's your take on what's unfolding so far? >> well, tammy, this is very personal. beasley i'm a parent of a kindergartner end of a second grader in elementary school. i have not slept a wink since this happened. the nightmares are real, thinking that this could happen to my child. at our school in town has had to go police officers at the scene since this happened and i hope it's a permanent thing, because
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this is one of those things where we need to have one entrance at all times in and out of the school, i'll be willing to pay any tax to make sure that it happens where we have a police officer who is behind bulletproof glass or maybe retired military at the school, one entry point and i can guarantee you that these things will cut down significant. it won't stop them completely, but it will decrease them, no question. and then by the way, in all most every instance and i would love to have the congresswoman's thought on this. in every school shooting -- not everyone, but almost everyone, the shooter is under 21 years old. if you need to wait to have a drink until you're 21, then you should have to wait until you're 21 buy a gun. and i get the military argument that you can be drafted into the military or join the military before you're 21, but those people are properly trained in a controlled environment. so i'm not sure that's an argument at all. so maybe we should at least extend the time until you can buy a gun.
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as for president obama, right, and his tweet, it's one of the worst in history as far as -- >> tammy: awful. >> you have the millions to choose from, to exploit these children, somehow compare it to what happened to george floyd is utterly classless and despicable. mr. obama needs to apologize to apologize. >> tammy: i would say, joe, remarkable, and what that struck me, as uchitel -- charlie, i'm sorry. is that you've got a dynamic where you have not even a comparison, but a suggestion that it's a competition, that you shouldn't -- yes, there's this over here, but look over here. and that is what was so strikingly -- both of these situations deserve the attention they've been getting, clearly, but it's all most like he was upset, charlie, that he wasn't -- his thing wasn't in the spotlight, didn't it seem that way to you? >> i have to say, honestly, i read that tweet may be 1520 times, and to this moment, i still have no earthly idea what
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he was trying to say other than an attempt to politicize the situation that does not need to be politicized. and if there's any sort of silver lining out of a horrific, horrific, unspeakable tragedy like this, it is a moment when the entire country is completely unified in horror, in agony over something like this. and the idea that you have so many of these politicians, powerful politicians in powerful positions who choose this moment not to take advantage of that unified country to kind of discuss okay, what we do about it, but rather to score political points to divide people again, to turn it into a political bonanza for themselves. it's just reprehensible. and you know, i'm open to discussing whatever needs to be discussed, but any idea that we talk about anything other than -- you know -- talk about
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anything without discussing the issue of mental health in this country is sort of a nonstarter for me, because, you know, we have a serious illness among a lot of people, and alarming number of people, and it seems like -- and i get that it's very complicated. i can't begin to wrap my head around it, but we need to start because if are going to continue -- yeah. >> tammy: it's a bigger picture. there are so many different fronts to this, and this comes down to what congress might do or not do, and just very briefly, is this something when we look at not things that would raise money or get attention or do a thing where it's a stunned, but looking at the broader issues, what do you think? >> first of all, i do believe that the start at a local and state level. our sheriff's need to work to secure our schools. this is a number one priority. but i'm also on legislation that ends gun-free zones in our schools. as i said, gun-free zones are
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very deadly, and that's where you see mass shootings. whenever there's a shooting that takes place outside of a gun-free zone where a law-abiding citizen is able to carry a firearm, the average number of death drops from 13 t. usually the first victims and the shooter because an arm citizen is there, present, to neutralize the threat. gun-free zones do not work. there is not a law that is on the books or one that is proposed that would have stopped this. this is an evil act, but we can make sure our children are secure and not just hiding behind plywood tables. >> tammy: great point. we have to remove or that we're looking at federal legislation but this is a local issue as we are seeing what happened in front of that school house and what those parents locally wanted, so it's a local issue, it's got to have support from the federal government, money may be involved, certainly training and all the others -- >> i'm glad you said that.
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there is $190 billion that was allocated for covid funds and a lot of that is still unspent and i would like to look into that to see if there is something we can use on those unspent funds to secure our schools. >> tammy: i've been talking about that. that will expire in 2024, unspent 211 billion, 93% unspent. if that's your 190 billion, getting that reallocated, perhaps, congressman, you can lead the way on that. thank you all for joining me. joe, charlie, and congressman, coming up. in the midst of the horrible shooting, president biden signed an outrageous executive order on police reform. we will talk about it with leo terrell and stephen miller next. ♪ ♪
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♪ ♪ >> tammy: biden's failures are going from bad to worse. as a new poll from gallup finds that a whopping 83% of americans are dissatisfied with the direction of the country, all while bidens approval remains at a dismal 41% with some other polls having it as low as mid 30s. this comes as the destructive democrat agenda is failing on every single front we see everyday in in our lives inflation is hovering at a 40 year high. gas prices continue to hit one record high after another. record numbers of illegal immigrants are waltzing across the southern border. bidens we diplomacy are arousing dictators across the globe, all well crime surges in gun violence are plaguing the streets. what is the president's solution to all these growing crises? to further divide the country, and to surrender his -- to surrender his agenda to the far
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fringe left. it's never really been -- what agenda did he have, except to become president. these are the extremists in the democratic party. for example, yesterday bidens signed an executive order that in the midst of all this appears to be just another effort to demonize the cops. one law enforcement official told fox news it was a "political response" to activist demands. well, what's new? now the order includes things like implementing a new -- "new evidence informed annual antibias training requirement postcode. and "reimagines crisis response school. we've heard that before. it's not good. so what does that mean? but just like clockwork, the resident grifters over at black lives matter used the occasion to launch more smears against the police with the group tweeting "maintaining a white supremacist institution like policing costs black lives. this continued commitment by
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politicians to support our killers makes them accessories." unless you're living in a $6 million mansion like they are. here for reaction, fox news contributor leo terrell along with america first legal founder stephen miller. leo, let me start with you. we are involved in these issues on the front lines. we are regular americans, we have great jobs. i love the job i do. you've been an activist and a community person all of your adult life, both of us on the wrong side for a period of time, but this really -- i'd like you to address this seemingly cancerous nature of how none of this stops and how it seems to be boring into wanting more disaster after more disaster after more disaster. >> thank you, tammy, for having me. i'm glad to be on with stephen as well. joe biden is an empty suit. you said it, he's taking his marching orders from the extreme left. he's doing absolutely nothing to
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help the average american citizen because the extreme left has already doubled down on this disasters economic policy. it's just horrific. what he did against him -- the george floyd act, executive order, toothless, tammy. you know why? because it doesn't address state and local officer -- over these federal officers and the sad part about it is that donald trump and tim scott tried to get police reform legislation -- steve will tell you that. and guess who blocked it? cory booker, kamala harris. you know why? because they didn't want to allow president trump and tim scott to show that they believe that police reform was necessary. so you get a toothless executive order. it's meaningless and i will tell you right now, joe biden in name only as president, but the extreme left is running this country. >> tammy: and we see the results, stephen, with all those disasters. we all know as they are playing out, they're not even staying
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static. they are getting worse over time, and we all know, we are not surprised, and so there is something afoot. there's no effort to even just like let's just keep it at a 20 year high. it goes to a 40 year high. is this just incompetence, or do you see this as part perhaps of an agenda that is being deliberately implemented this point? >> the biden administration is effectively run by marxist revolutionaries. there's no poll that's going to stop them. being voted out of power is the only thing -- the only thing that's going to stop them. every day they show up to work asking themselves how can i advance another radical marxist directive. let's talk about that -- here is something people are not discussing in that executive order. it restricts the federal government from providing surplus military equipment to our police department. something president trump was on the exact opposite side of, making sure they have that equipment. why does it matter? if somebody comes to your school and starts shooting, you want
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police officers to get there on the scene in 60 seconds with the best armor, the best equipment, the most powerful weaponry they have, to obliterate, to obliterate that school shooter. why in god's name -- why in god's name now of all times do we take away this equipment from our police officers? it's just one radical directive after another with no thought for what it does to the lives of everyday citizens. >> tammy: and it would say also when you think about the disturbed young man was really mad at all you hear is talk about defunding the police and law enforcement is evil, you know they are underfunded, you know they don't have what they need, that probably makes it a tiny bit easier to take a chance that you normally wouldn't take if the police are going to come down on you like a hammer. >> without cops we are all less safe and thousands more will needlessly be killed in street crime because the police are being told to pull back and not do their jobs. >> tammy: leo, do you think this is a factor -- you know, it's more of a kind of
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undercurrent factor when criminals and others -- you know, we had a horrible shooting on the subway here in new york, crime in los angeles continues comedies home invasion robberies, the school shooting, the slaughter of children, is this -- do you think this is part of this cultural rhetoric that the left has moved that encourages and inspires the disturbed? >> absolutely. let me tell you right now, the criminals are elated with democratic leadership in these cities. everyday we talk about the crime, and i'll tell you right now, the reason is very simple. they want to destroy everything good about this country. stephen said it best comedies are marxists who want to destroy every institution, they want to destroy the police department, black lives matter -- let me be very clear about them. they got no court ability. i hope every ag in the state investigates them. when there is that tsunami landslide victory by the republican party, please investigate blm. they have no court ability, they don't speak for any person in this country other than their
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mansions. >> tammy: let me tell you -- gentlemen, thank you. all of this kind of rhetoric, the people doing the worst things, or hoping they're going to raise money. this is about what is sexiest. how they can manipulate and use and all of them came to the front because they don't want to be left out of the money that can be raised. this is not an american -- americans have had enough. moms have had enough, families have had enough. so thank you both for joining us. >> absolutely. >> tammy: appreciate it, gentlemen. up next, the defense has officially rested in the trial of former clinton royal michael sussman. trump attorney and gregg jarrett will break us down for us, stay right there.
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and bonta says we must ban assault weapons. but eric early, a trump republican who goes too far defending the nra and would loosen laws on ammunition and gun sales. because for him, protecting the second amendment is everything. eric early. too extreme, too conservative for california. fanduel and draftkings, too conservative two out of state corporations making big promises to californians. what's the real math behind their ballot measure for online sports betting? 90% of profits go to the out of state corporations permanently. only eight and a half cents is left for the homeless. and in virginia, arizona, and other states, fanduel and draftkings use loopholes to pay far less than was promised. sound familiar? it should. it's another bad scheme for california. ♪ ♪ >> tammy: welcome back to this special edition of "hannity." michael sussman, who is on trial
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for allegedly lying to the fbi -- you know, he put it in writing as part of special counsel dondero's probe into the origins of the russian hoax may learn his fate early next week. the defense rested its case today without calling him to the stand, setting up closing arguments tomorrow. also breaking today, an appellate court world against former president trump, saying he must testify in the latest political hit job against him as the new york attorney general's office continues its witch hunts into his business practices. they've got so much time on their hands. joining us now with reaction, attorney for former president trump and fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett. thank you for being here, it's nice to see you again. americans see this news -- those of us, supporters of president trump, the 70 plus million americans see the legal system kind of moving along this new york agenda. what's your feeling about what this means for him in this case,
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will there be an appeal? and then i'm going to ask you about the sussman case as well. >> sure. on the attorney general case, or the epitome of a witch hunt, as i would call it in new york right now, yes, today it was ordered that he should be deposed. my client doesn't have a problem with that. the truth is we probably will be appealing is, i think the decision was flawed. but it's a typical case of an attorney general picking her politics and politicizing her office and weaponizing office. >> tammy: she ran saying she was going to go after him. i mean, she ran for that office saying that's what she was going to do. >> before she even had a little bit of information, she decided that she was going to go after trump organization, trump tower, and anything in trump's orbit. this is a real -- i mean, it's crazy. and they are okay with it buried >> tammy: i'm waiting for president trump, greg college
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and have some potion somewhere as he is stirring some big pot with some frog legs as he's got his witch hat on because they just won't let him go. the stuff about sussman, major media, legacy media has not leaving covering this. it seems to be clearly huge, durham is doing a good job but there seemed to be some trouble, we're looking at people on the jury that are clinton donors, it seems like it might be set up for once again no real justice. can you give us a breakdown of where we are at right now? >> sussman is dead bang guilty. durham has presented an overwhelming evidence that he lied and the lie was material as the law requires. so sussmann's only hope here is, as i said at the outset of the trial, jury nullification, that jurors that are stacked with hillary clinton supporters and donors will perversely ignore the facts and the evidence and the law and decide to acquit and obviously-guilty person.
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sussmann couldn't possibly take the witness stand in his own defense. i said it before he made that decision. for a couple of reasons. first of all, he would absolutely melt and whether under a vigorous, challenging cross-examination that would make him look guiltier than he already is, and second of all, he would have to lie to the jury to get out of this, and that would expose him to further criminal jeopardy for perjury, lying in court to a jury, so again, his only hope here is that this jury is so politically charged -- the defense made sure at every turn reminding them that sussmann was against donald trump and in favor of hillary clinton. they are hoping to completely politicize the verdict. >> tammy: i hope we are wrong. nullification is, for the audience, when you have an obviously guilty defendant but you vote not guilty anyway because who are making a point. and don't lawyers have responsibility to not put their
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client on the stand if they know that client will lie? is that correct? >> absolutely. it would be unethical for a lawyer to enable his client knowingly to lie on the witness stand. that may have been a further complication here. >> tammy: obviously president trump is having a reaction, he's been proven correct in every single thing he has complained about, that he's pointed out, that he's been dealing with. he has been proven correct. how does he feel about how this is going to flow out? does he have some hope that it might turn out the right way? >> not very much, to be honest, and i don't blame him. the man, i don't know how he wakes up every day, is the strongest person i know when it comes to fighting the fight and caring about this country. because he has been attacked or let leslie every day and it doesn't matter if you get a trial and you have a text message that blatantly says hey, i'm not coming here for any of my clients even though hillary clinton enter campaign and every -- you know, and the
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dnc or my clients, but i'm not coming for it, they will still find the man not guilty. and i don't blame him for thinking that. look at the attorney general. look at all of the things that are coming out. we are not living in a world where justice prevails, we are not living in a world where the truth or facts are applied to law. we are living in anti-trump, anything trump -- and by the way, it's the minority, it's not the majority, it's the minority and i always were a member there's more of us than there are them. >> by the way, tammy -- >> tammy: with got about ten seconds here. ten seconds. >> the attorney general in new york should be disbarred for her outrageous abuse of power. >> tammy: we've got, thank you. both of you, thank you very much. more on this special edition of "hannity" right after the break. ♪ ♪
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in our homes in our prayers. that is all the time for this evening. i will be with you tomorrow night as well. you can catch my show. get "hannity" streaming on fox nation and you can read my column. thank you, everyone. and i will see you tomorrow night. "the ingraham angle" is up next. ♪ ♪ >> laura: i am laura ingraham. this is "the ingraham angle." thank you for joining us tonight. >> i got to say the offices. i got to see the community members by public it is so hard. it is hard to take in. it is traumatic. we are hurting inside. we have partners who have to live here is where every day. the victims. the family members. we feel for them

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