tv Sunday Night in America With Trey Gowdy FOX News June 5, 2022 4:00pm-5:00pm PDT
♪ ♪ trey: good evening thank you for joining us, i am trey gowdy, it's "sunday night in america," there is a line from a popular movie, there are two types of pain, pain that hurts and the pain that alters, whoever said that is right, pain is a great teacher. we could learn a life long lesson in an instant. 50 years ago my mom turn her back for just a second. i decided to pull the iron off of the ironing board, that lesson was learned
quickly, it only took once, i do not pull irons any more. what about other types of pain? do we learn our lessons first time or in such a rush to feel better we leave before class ending? when something terrible happens we want to move on, it is human nature, a defense mechanism. we change the subject. we avoid the topic, we move on so the pain will stop. but in our haste to feel better, do we sometimes leave before the lesson is learned? not a single person of good conscious who does not grieve in the aftermath of a mass killing. because the weight is heavy, we don't want to linger and move othe risk is we leave before the lesson is learned. so the pain hurts but it
does not alter us. there is yet another classroom full of dead children and teachers, will this time be different? history says no. what did we learn? what changed? did the pain hurt or -- did the pain alter. if we're open to change, the question is what, how, what would work, what is a real solution versus another political argument. the solution has to do more than just make us feel better, what works, what does the evidence say? there are 4 areas worth examining, weapon, shooter, place of the shooting and our culture. is there anything about our culture you would change to pro vent the next -- prevent the next mass killing, can we stop glorifying violence and glamourizing serial
killers. what are we doing to make schools and churches and malls safer. what about the weapons and characteristics of the weapons, does self-defense really include unlimited magazine capacity? what about the shooters? are there similarities along mass killers? we know they are males, what about age, background, family structure. are there warning signs? there are large categories of people who cannot lawfully possess any firearm, does that group need to be, panned -- expanded, are those laws being enforced? what law in existence, if enforced, would prevent mass killings? what idea not currently las
would prevent the next mass killing or reduce casualties? most americans do not and never will accept the mass killing of children as a consequence of living in a free society, we don't have to pick between the two, we are willing to change. but we need to know what works. what proposed solution is causally connected to our desired caught outcome, the pain that hurts or the pain that alters? what are we willing to alter to preserve the freedom to simply stay alive. joining us now criminology professor from universities of alabama, is there a law, if enforced would reduce the number of mass killings. >> there, great question.
what i would point to would be red flag laws. for context, the problem is not that owning a firearm makes people want to kill innocent victims. the problem is that we have mass shooters who many times have admitted to those around them or posted on line they are interested in killing. then they are still able to go into a store. and have a weapon handed over the counter to home, i am a big supporter of red flag laws, it would not affect 99.99% of us, key is, right now it's too easy for mass shooters to get fire arms. they are not professional criminals, they are amateurs, they don't have
black market connections or many friends, if they are trying to get weapons illegally, will give us a chance to stop them. with red flag laws, they are already working in some parts of the country, i would like to see them nationwide. trey: two part question, first part, what law needs to be better enforced. the other let's assume you are the emperor for the day, you an enact any idea not in law right now. >> i like the idea of expanding the red flag laws, i want to pick up on something you mentioned in our opening. we have a big problem whether it comes to loopholes in background checks, we could stop somewhats killers by paying attention to red flags they give off. we can learn closely at their backgrounds, many cases they have a history of
sex offending, domestic violence or other physical violence or crimes, if we required those point of sale, point of transfer background checks in all cases, i think that would make a difference. and you know look, we're not living in 1980s or 1990s, we walking around with computers in our pockets. i think universal backgrounding checks in closing the loopholes is more feasible now. trey: i say most americans with name more serial killers than noble laureates. most people glorify them. >> you are right. and it can be gross to just be frank. i get study and -- that mass killers got, i compared to
other top american celebrities, during the attack months many mass killers got more fame, attention and media coverage than tom cruise or jennifer aniston, kim kardashian, people like that, but they got it for killing. then also looked at trends overtime. the sad thing, is that this problem has been getting worse. mass shootings in which 10 or more victims are killed, or 20 or more, we've seen more of those since 2010 than previous 45 years. and we video seen more fame-seeking mass shooters and copycat. they are seeking fame, is because it works. the whole thing is an exploitation of the rewards
and incentives that people get for killing. you are on the right track, in terms of let's report the news and have serious conversations but not turn the mass killers who celebrities. trey: one final question, is there some research, that you are looking at now, you are an academic, that you think may be can inform and instruct what the elected official should be doing? >> well, you know, there are so many different angles to this, i try not to delve into the politics, i would point out in terms of political polarization, let's not put too much blame on gun owners, per say, the problem is not owners, the problem is access. i talk to wide range of students, a wide range of people, some of whom are gun owners some of whom are not, i try tome size is -- to
emphasize, if someone says just because you are a gun owner you are more likely than others to commit a mass shooting, that not what the data show, i got your back. but you need to support limiting access to mass shooters close to their attacks in weeks and months before they strike. trey: professor i would love to have you back on, i am interested in evidence that is only thing i care about. is evidence. what works thank you giving us your time and expertise. trey: >> thank you. trey: up next, verdict in michael sussman found guilty was not lying on the fbi, did the jury get it right, what is next for the durham investigation.
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trey: welcome back to "sunday night in america" this week a washington d.c. jury found michael sussman not guilties lying to the fbi, allegation he lied when he gave fbi information about an alleged secret channel between trump organization and a russian bank. that took place in 2016, well after the fbi first began investigating trump campaign, i am sorry to disappoint the left, this verdict does not end the durham investigation, the durham's job to find out what they did way
before 2016, prosecutors do lose cases, it's not the end of the world or an investigation, proving anything beyond a reasonable doubt is hard . >> how would you like to sell that to a jury? how would you like to convince a jury that the fbi was somehow victimized by i lawyer the entire world knew was connected with hillary clinton and democrat national committee? there is a difference between being victimized and being duped. the fbi was duped, wittingly or unwittingly, they took a meeting they should never have taken, they got played. that is the fbi's fault. so yes, someone lost the trial this week. but it was not john durham. it was the fbi.
>> joining us now someone who knows a lot about the russia investigation. former house intelligence intelligencecommittee staffer, kash patel, how can this be about the origin of the russia probe when it began months and months before this meeting between susman and baker took place. >> good to be with you. you are right, when we were running russia gate investigation for then chairman nunes, we issued 17 congressional subpoenas we knew this investigation, started before june of 2016, you have in susman case is fbi meeting with hillary clinton campaign including michael susman and fusion gps in 2015, operating duel tracks in line of effort.
that now has been shown to be discredited. up in of this began in july of 2016. it began well before that. i think that is the one of the most important take aways from this susman case. which is why john durham has so much work left to do. trey: regardless of the verdict, and look, you have been a defense attorney and a prosecutor. is does strike me that there was new information, new to the public that was produced during this trial. were you stuck by anything produced during this trial? when should the public take from it? >> a few points that blew me away, post stinging for hillary clinton world is robby mook, hillary clinton's campaign manager from 16, testified under
oath. that the jury heard any world heard under oath that hillary clinton ran the russia bank hoax herself, other thing to realize money from hillary clinton campaign, the thumb drives with alpha bank information, charged to hillary clinton campaign and then delivered to fbi headquarters, third. is the lead fbi agent who testified in this case, i think heidi, he admit hide is under federal investigation for lying to federal prosecutors and investigator about russia gate hoax, this is why america hates the slump, corrupt fbi agents and they are still continuing their work, i have no idea what chris wray is doing to clean it up, i
think he is failing the american public. trey: i am sure you had tough clients in your career, how would you like to sell a jury that world's allegedly premier law enforcement agency was duped. how do you walk in get a meeting with general council of the fbi, how does a lawyer walk in and get a meeting. with james baker? >> that goes to corruption that is as oozing from the swamp, you do it you know never will find out that is what it leads to. we could not get it. that was problem about our investigation, was lack of jurisdictional reach, but john durham does not have that problem in federal court, his investigation will continue, russia gate investigation is expansion. i have to write a children's book about it. called the plot against the king, i think your children
should know the story of biggest criminal enterprise. and corrupt the fbi that i love by flawed characters and it has been a wild ride but i know we're just getting started. you are right, you only put cops to trial who you don't have the facts and the law left. that is what they did. trey: kash patel, that shocked look on my face, you said you wrote a book. i would be shocked if you said you read a book, you said you wrote a book? a children's book? that is the 7th time in the -- i need to get my affairs in order. >> well, i started at the beginning, that is why it's a children's book, the plot against the king. we set it in medieval time,
and you are the knight of the round table in the sequel, it is the investigation we ran, i think our youth which be reading about it in a nonpolitical way. that is what we've done in this wonderful book the plot against the king. trey: they are not reading about that in washington most or "new york times. kash patel, who knows more about russia investigation than anyone in the world. >> thank you. >> trey. trey: coming up, iron tried to a. >> iran tried to attack a children's hospital in boston last summer. >> and russia threatening to wipe out east and west coast with so-called satan ii
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they can hit targets 50 miles away russia is not happy, more than 1,000 russia troops participated in drills north of moscow, aimed at preparing russia for nuclear combat, vladimir putin warning any western deliveries the president trump russia to -- new targets, ukraine has been asking for these weapons since the war began. joining us now, general jack keane. thank you for joining us. what does this weapon system do? how significant is it? >> well, you are right, they have been asking for it for some time, specifically a couple months. it was frustrating to watch the biden administration go on and off again about whether they should deliver
the weapons, i thought they made up their mind to be all in. a couple months okay they started to provide artillery weapons and advance systems, recognizing that give up this part of the war, that the russians and ukrainians are in, the ukrainians are out of the side of disadvantage. yes, they delayed it. finally giving them the systems. four, i think we have to give them more. ukrainians want the seasons, i mentioned that the some of the russian systemses. -- out range the ukrainian systems, they will be able to reach the systems. we're in a slugfest. it is an artillery war, the russians have more of it.
this is what has enabled russians that take the territory and eastern portion of donbas. that is the focus, they have thrown everything at this. ukrainians putting up a heck of a fight, i think the russians likely will take the city but they have extended so much, hard to see them able to make much progress. at least in near term after that. they reached what most of us looking at it day-by-day as a culminating point. trey: i want to ask you about status of the war as it exists now. can you think of why the u.s. would delay providing weapon system to ukraine? >> i think i know. the biden administration
from the very beginning, when we were critical of them was always concerned about provokes russia, that goes back to march of 2021, ukrainians -- russians showed up on ukraine border we did not deliver the trump system of lethal weapons to them, that of the same thing they didn't want to provoke them and why they with held the systems early on in war was same reasons, i thought it was put away, it was disturbing to see it comes back. ukranians are in a desperate situation, they still have a very good chance here. to put together some capability to take territory back. what is what they are interested in doing, the systems are vital to that kind of an operation and success in it. trey: you use word desperate, that got my attention. what do you think the state
of the war is as we're talking tonight? what can the u.s. do to help ukraine more? >> well, what is taking place, i indicated, the russians are made progress in eastern part of donbas region, that is their focus, they have made it the singular focus of the war. and they have never done anything like that before. and as a result of it, we do see some incremental gains they are making, but casualties are so high. they want to do after this is attack western part of donbas region. donnesque area, i think that have to go through an operational pause to refit and get their act together. to make a river crossing to do it. the ukrainians have stiffened their defense in the area there.
it will be another slugfest again, i also think that ukrainians will be conducting some limited counter attacks away from the area to take baxter rain and -- th terrain and territory, we cannot forecast where where this the end. given the current situations. ukranians have an opportunity still he or she here to turn this to their favor, we have got to be all in with the equipment. we should not be hedging on giving them equipment that they vitally need on a battlefield. giving them a weapon system with similar range as what russians have, i don't see that as an escalation in the war. trey: general jack keane, thank you for your service.
>> great talking to you. trey: this week, fbi director chris wray revealed bureau thwarted iranian cyberattack on a boston children's hospital, that hospital sees hundreds of patients a day. while the attack was stopped, another example of high leverage potential targets that countries like china and iran could attack. joining us utah congressman chris stewart, you have been talking about cyber security longer than anyone that i know, did this surprise you? are we really still negotiating with iran? >> yes, it is.
is anyone surprised by this? that iran is trying to attack u.s. they have been all through these negotiations. are we surprised they would attack children's hospital? these are the people who use children at shields all of the time. they train their allies to use children at shields. i was in saudi arabia last week, only thing that region wants to talk about -- is iran. and malicious nature. continues to threaten and have assassination attempts again former u.s. officials who worked forever president trump. does anyone take that into considering and believe there is a reason they could be trusted with nuke what nuclear negotiationses. know what who thinks that other than i guess president biden, i would be stunned that someone would think
they would be sincere or honest. trey: you are right, there are four government officials that still have security details because of threats that iran launched against them, anything that has word satan in it scares my, the satan ii missiles that russian officials are threatening to blow up our east and west coast, tell me i don't need to worry about it. >> well, you know. we live in a world where we do have to worry. do i think it is imminent? not at all, this is russian bluster, vladimir putin pounding his chest, but they actually do have the missiles, they are powerful,
and difficult to shoot down. nearly impossible. and as vladimir putin proudly said he could take out most of of the united states with just a few of them, i think that the greater fear i have is not a nuclear war. the greater fear i have is what we have been talking about, their cyber capabilities, we're looking down the barrel of a loaded gun when we talk about russia and their ability to destroy our electrical grid. and that changeses world and our nation, we're not talking about taking down part of the grids here and there we're talking about their ability to take down the grad nationally for -- grid nationally for months perhaps longer than a year, imagine how that would affect us, the tens of millions of people who could potentially die from that, i think that is far more likely and every bit as
deadly as the nuclear weapon threats. >> all right chris, about a minute. let's assume you retake the majority that file, cyber security, iranian deal, what are some other priorities as you serve on house intelligence committee and provide oversight over the biden administration. >> the list long, let's not just assume we take the house, it is a catastrophe for the nation if we don't. i am confident we will, the american people are not just embarrassed and disgusted but deeply hurt by this administration. we have to go back and focus not on impeachment. we need too look how to we protect ourselves against cyber, why don't we develop security in cyber. we have to look at what, the
entanglement betweens president's family and probably the president himself and some of our adversaries, not just ukraine but also china. thes did is long. we could keep going if we had the time. trey: chris, i am glad there someone who served in uniform and as knowledgeable and hard worker as you are. thank you for joining us on a sunday night. >> thank you, sir. trey: coming up, last week georgia governor brian kemp beat a former u.s. senator with a coveted endorsement in georgia's republican party. how did he do it? we hear from the governor himself next on "sunday night in america."
brian kemp, thank you for joining us. congratulations, folks want to know, how did you win and how did you win so convincingly? >> there thank you, congressman. we were focused on putting hard working georgians first. that is my promise, and second is that i told them i would implement things that i campaigned on in 2018, we have done from from largest teacher pay raise in state history, largest state income tax cut in state history, and going after street gangs, and staying with law enforcement. i stayed focus on reminding people what my record was. also that is the record that can beat stacey abrams in november, that is what wement and everyone is uniting around.
trey: you know that is the dominant theme when i would check with my friends in georgia, they would say he did what he said he would do. i am sure it is not fun being object of any former president's ire in particular probably former president trump's ire, how were you able to navigate that. i never heard you address it. almost like you ignored it. >> i stayed focus on georgia there is a lot of outside noise in the race, i told people i was very appreciative of what former president trump and vice president pence did to help our state. the policies of the trump administration worked on the border, we were down did supporting them we're still there supporting them. there are a lot of things we were working on, give them
credit for, that. but look, i'm the government governor of this state, i did what i was elected to do and i followed the law of the constitution. i took the an oath to do that. that is what i'm going to continue to do, that is what georgians want, they do not want to go the way of stacey abrams, she is credit for joe biden winning georgia and being president, you see what has that has gotten us. that is what she would do to the state. i don't think that is why georgians want to go, we'll continue to fight against that. trey: governor, memory serves me, you defeated her once, the national media likes her a lot.
not sure how many of them get to vote in georgia, how will you pull it off in november? >> national media loves stacey abrams, the darling, that is why we need your listeners to join the fight with us. and help us out, this is a fight for soul of state and country, stacey abrams wants to be your president, if we stop her from being governor, her road to the white house ends right here and right now in november, it will take everyone in the fight to beat her again, national media is not always right, we know that. they were long on the voting bill. we had record turn out during the primary, everyone has egg on their face, she hurt small business owners by pressures major league baseball to pull the all-star game, we never
waiver. she hurt the business owners i've been fighting for them, with tax relief, sending billion dollar back to taxpayers and suspending the gas tax so people can fight through the biden administration gas taxes. trey: you seem to navigate this kind of eye of needle between election integrity, but also admitting, look, republicans can and sometimes do lose elections. you can believe both. you seem to have done a really good job and overwhelming victory if the primary of navigating that. congratulations to you, love to talk to you again. >> let's do it have a great evening, god bless. trey: yes, sir, take care, thank you. >> your questions are next
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a chance of what you want to be, country is good about helping others in need, we're not perfect, we acknowledge for perfection and truth in our goals. >> and next, what is your favorite golf course. >> they favorite course spartanburg. worst score? i cannot count that high, i am not putting well right now. if you can't putt. >> i will sell all of my wife's jewelry to get one putting less know from brad.
and this from carmen in texas. i am rarely in a bad mood, when it happens i think of the blessings that i have in life and all of the people who really have a reason to be sad or upset, people who lost a child, a job or suffered a catastrophic loss, whatever is bothers me does not seem that significant any more. the way out of a bad mood to be thankful for what do you have and focus on others. if you have a question, you can find us on-line. or e-mail us. >> before we go, thank you to you, tonight marks one year meeting together here on sunday, 52 weeks, which is 51 weeks longer than many of my friends thought i would survive, truth be told probably 50 weeks longer than my own mother.
here we are. thank to us, a good natural point of reflection, i went back and read what i promised the first night, i promised you i would make mistakes i have. asking questions is not hard, asking questions in less than 5 minutes is really hard, i promised to let our guests talk, i tried to honor, that never made sense to me tony vita people on to invite people on the show and never let people talk. -- i promised you we would laugh and probably cry. i think back to the nights we were joined by friends like tim scott and johnny radcliffe and smiles and laughter, then the nights when there was nothing but sadness, the night a
christmas parade turned deadly in "weather on the wisconsin. and death in ukraine, and senseless crime in this country and murder of schoolchildren, it has been a fascinating year, thank you for loaning us your time . i can tell you there is soy no such thing as a television show without people willing to give you their time and watch, for that, i am grateful to you. i hope you have a great week ahead, good night from south carolina, "life, liberty and levin" is up next. ♪ ♪