covering this nonstop until we see new pope emerge. and we hear those famous words. we will throw it back to you. we will be here watching. >> carley: thank you so much for all of that fascinating process that we are watching unfold. stick around on the fox news channel all morning long. we will have continuing coverage of the papal conclave. "fox & friends" starts right now. >> carley: straight to a fox news alert. we begin with the papal conclave where just moments ago black smoke was seen rising from that chimney on top of the sistine chapel. >> brian: that means a new leader of the catholic church has not been chosen yet. >> lawrence: alex hogan is live from rome with a look at what comes next. alex, what do you know?

>> good morning. as you just mentioned we just saw that black smoke billowing out of the sistine chapel the chimney of the sistine chapel i should say. that means the cardinals have voted twice this morning and no pope has been picked. the cardinals will vote four times per day, twice before lunch and twice after. they will eat three meals together and have free time to spend in their rooms or on walks. they will have no contact with the outside world until a new pope is selected. until the last two conclaves popes were picked on the second day pope francis after five rounds of votes pope benedict xvi four rounds. pope john paul ii 8 rounds making that the third day. the longest conclave in history lasted about three years. it was so long that it led to the rule of food rations if the voting stretched beyond three days cardinals only one meal per day. beyond 8 meals per day they were restricted to bread, water and

wine. those rules have since been dropped. the shortest conclave lasted just a few hours. this is the largest conclave ever with cardinals from 70 countries. the largest group stems from europe while the last conclave, the second largest group came from north america. now, arab, africa and south america all have more cardinals than north america. people here are focusing perch as well, two thirds majority for one candidate was not reached as we saw the black smoke it. did happen an hour and a half later than expected which caused a lot of questions in the crowd what was happening inside. so today's smoke appeared right on time, if not a few minutes early, giving an indication that things seem to be back on track. despite the fact these cardinals have not been able to make up their mind as to who should be

the 267th pontiff. so, more crowds are continuing to gather in the square behind me. something that we expect to see more and more throughout the day as we continue to watch that chimney. again, two more votes will take place this afternoon. and it is also fascinating to watch this ancient system of smoke signals. we are used to technology and news moving so quickly in a matter of seconds to be here at the vatican watching for smoke signals in what has been this tradition that has been carried out for the last few centuries. guys, back to you. >> ainsley: thank you so much, alex. all right, live from rome, we also have fox news contributor jonathan morris and fox news senior correspondent benjamin hall. good morning, gentlemen. benjamin benjamin good morning. >> ainsley: i know it's 6 hours ahead over there so they are taking a break for lunch. benjamin, what can we expect next? >> benjamin: we know the

cardinals will go and have lunch. that's actually a time when they can start to talk amongst themselves because when they are sitting in the sistine chapel, that is a moment just for voting, for prayer, for reflection. and actually it is now over the lunch table. they will start talking about who will come or who they should vote for. their views will be changing. after that first vote yesterday, they will have an idea who would gain the most votes. were there surprise contenders and started working together perhaps in their groups as well. we have heard a number of people that they're looking for the king makers, who perhaps of the cardinals bring with them a number of votes. the italians have 17 cardinals. do they come as one vote? in america there are 10 cardinals could those come as one vote? all the votes amongst the conservatives or progressives. the cardinal also be there over lunch to talk about how to get to that two thirds majority. this vote was faster than yesterday. yesterday's was an hour and a half late and there has been a lot of speculation as to why was the whom any too long?

poppies this is well and truly underway. there is obviously negotiation going on. one point 4 billion catholics. 17 million americans. not just the catholics. effects geo politics. so this is effectively the beginning of the next chapter of the catholic church impact it has around the world. >> lawrence: so, jonathan, i know this is a secretive process but there is always some sort of leak or get the feeling of where they may lean in some way. do you get the impression that this is going to be a long process right now, there is going to be difficult to get con sconsensus?

>> jonathan: vatican has put significant even digital, technologic barriers to make sure there are no leaks. they don't have wifi or cell service. put their phones in a plastic bag if they happened to bring them into the vatican. i think it is a i have, very secretive process. but, also, a very secure process to keep anybody from influencing from the outside. anybody paying somebody off or a foreign government saying i want to make sure that this person who is going to be kinder to china or to russia or to ukraine or whatever it is but have an outside influence so i would say this, specifically in answer to your question whether it will be longer, lawrence. the longer it is, the more interesting the candidate will be. >> brian: wow.

jonathan, what can you bring you in order to vote my direction? i know this is a religious vote when you are at the buffet you are trying to get to two thirds vote how would you like a few new roads around your big church in that roco. can you wheel and deal to bring money to your country if you get a certain vote? he will be the one coming out and introducing the new pope. here's a little secret, brian. if it's not monday barrette coming out, then he is the next pope. don't tell anyone. between us, you are right that there are different interests.

more about what does the church universal globally need in order to bring the bible, the voice of god into our hearts and into society? and i think that's what you are trying to find out. >> ainsley: benjamin a lot of people be there the next few days hoping to see the white smoke. flight from rome have surged 345%. even higher from mexico up 1,00. so hundreds are expected. hundreds of thousands expected to see st. peters square and be there to watch the chimney. we can see the crowds already there. what is it like when you look down -- i don't know where you all are sitting in reference to this live shot we are seeing of the square. what is it like to be there during this special time? benjamin benjamin we have the vatican behind us we can see the

people streaming yesterday for that vote 250,000 people were in the square itself even though we weren't expecting white smoke. people wanted to be there to see it. rooftops on them and people hanging out of windows. >> this is a real event. some tourists planning on coming and hoping to see the sistine chapel. i don't know if they will be upset because they can't see the sistine chapel because it's being special event to see a new pope being elected. yes, i remember our own flights over here, somebody there six flights in a day from the u.k. religious event whether or not there is a new pope. tens of thousands of catholics were coming to rome at this moment anyway. it is a very packed city at the moment and certainly everyone is watching. we can see again on the streets people moving toward the square as the day goes on.

>> lawrence: jonathan, real quickly and i don't know the best way to ask the question because i know you don't speak for the entire church. what is the vibe like for the church? do you get the sense that they want to steady the ship like, there are people that love the past pope but they thought that he was a little bit t progressi. do they want a more conservative, traditionalist? or do you hear more people say let's build upon the changes that he made? >> >> jonathan: yeah. you put that question out perfectly. i heard from so many unchurched people, right, non-catholics and catholics who are just not part of practicing catholicism or christianity even saying i love pope francis. i felt welcomed. i felt loved. that's a really positive thing. you know, the catholic church did not survive 2,000 years

including all sorts of major persecution, invaders, emperors who wanted to destroy this place and here the catholic church is still alive 2,000 years. they didn't survive just by being loving and caring. they survived by saying this is what we believe and this is why we believe it i passing on the teachings of jesus christ without compromise. cardinals saying wonderful and important to show love and mercy as saint plan sis did. let's be clear about who we are and why we believe. >> brian: great recap. blank smoke to open up the show. and be in the waiting game as the cardinals go to the buffet and try to come up with a candidate. thanks so much. >> ainsley: i did read the nuns prepare the local food like lamb and spaghetti and boiled vegetables for the cardinals. foods that cannot conceal a

message. you can't hide anything in the food are prohibited like pies and chicken. >> lawrence: so bland? >> ainsley: not necessarily bland, just you can't hide anything in it. like in a chicken or in a pie. [laughter] >> brian: amazing how much lamb was eaten back in those days. lamb is not that big now. back then always eating lamb. do you notice? >> lawrence: that's true. >> brian: this story not good uptown new york. dozens the masked anti-israeli protesters around columbia university after storming -- look at it now, after storming the school's library yesterday. >> lawrence: look at those maniacs, hours after several college presidents apologized on capitol hill for mishandling anti-semitism on college campuses. >> ainsley: chanley painter is here with the details. >> chanley: the nypd was called to that scene five hours after

100 anti-israel protesters stormed the library at columbia university shoving past campus security as students were inside preparing for finals injuring at least two of those public safety officers for man 80 students were arrested. secretary of state marco rubio reacting with this quote we are reviewing the visa status of the trespassers and vandal who took over columbia university library. pro-hamas thugs are no longer welcome in our great nation. and all this is happening just hours after college presidents apologized for mishandling anti-semitism on their campuses during a congressional hearing. >> there is more work to be done. the changes we have made are already fostering a culture of accountability on our campus. we recognize the vigilance focal point going forward. >> i'm sorry that my actions and leadership let you down. i remain committed to addressing anti-semitism and all issues that harm our community members.

i am committed to getting this right. >> chanley: this heated moment has been headlines. watch this. >> was there any disciplinary action taken against that group or those individuals? >> those kinds of statements are. >> you were the one university president who failed to lay out if any disciplinary action has been taken, if any suspensions or expulsions so i am asking you was there any disciplinary action taken? >> disciplinary action can include expulsion. >> i'm not asking what it can include. i'm asking was it taken? >> i will not be talking about individual cases here. >> chanley: columbia university has responded in the wake of yesterday's protest saying the disruptions will not be tolerated. guys, back to you. >> brian: thank you so much, chanley, pretty amazing. because to have president where she got an f in terms of anti-semitism on campus, failed. that's why she was there.

she has -- over-the-shoulder shot of her card printed out of her standard answers. looking at her she is like okay, let me read. this you are a president you should be able to communicate what you think, how about having policies so engrained in your head they are instinctive rather than jotted down by staffer in order to avoid trouble and maybe funds being denied to your university? >> lawrence: so she did a great job admitting the problem apologizing for lackluster response. when it came to the details of asking about the consequences, what they are doing right now to prevent the anti-semitism, she failed at that. >> ainsley: i think a nonanswer is her answer. i think she is saying we didn't have any disciplinary action against these students. that's what it sounds like to me. we're going to speak to a columbia student live this morning with reaction to what happened on their campus yesterday. with them storming that library. and they didn't call nypd until

five hours later. private campus. so,. >> lawrence: that cannot happen. >> ainsley: nypd has to wait on them to be called before they can go in and help. >> brian: i love that they were arrested. find out who they are. very hard to get on campus without a student i.d. or have a guest. reason to be there you are logged in. columbia statement saying individuals have been asked for identification, which will be recorded and asked to disperse. they have been told that failure to comply results in violations of the rules. flat out, they are out of the school. we told you this went on two years. this behavior has cost our school $400 million. it will not be tolerated. tried it last friday. now you rudely go over and go at our security. you forced us to call the nypd in. i don't care if you are one week from getting your degree, you are out. >> lawrence: you are out of here. >> brian: you are not getting it. >> lawrence: you are out of here. they said they are going to fingerprint the students who were arrested. marco rubio has made it very clear, if you are on a visa, you are out of the country.

>> ainsley: he said, sorry. >> lawrence: go for it. >> ainsley: reviewing the stalls of trespassers and vandals. pro-hamas thugs are no longer welcome in our nation. once inside the library they drape large signs over the book shelves one declaring the library liberated zone and another palestinian activist skilled by the idf 2017 in the west bank and spelled that guy's name wrong. columbia, they just asked them to disperse. can you please disperse? and, if you don't, you are going to face disciplinary consequences. here is what one of the students says. why were the protesters able to continue to disrupt in the basic function of our university while other students have to pay the consequences? this is from a middle east studies major yellinger. he wrote, he put that out on x. he is fed up. by the way when he goes for a job interview they are going to be i don't know if i want to hire you. are you part of a mindset

anti-semitism? >> lawrence: ckeffiyehs no idea what they're for. calling for global ant fad da people on october the 7th were calling for as well. we have known, according to some of the people held hostages, that they were communicating with the people on columbia university. so, hamas was. >> brian: they had plans for encampment last week and it was stopped. trump terminated $2.2 billion for federal grants for harvard and university of washington who had a million dollars of damage yesterday with the anti-semitic behavior and other things wanting to divest from israel. they get $1.2 billion from the federal government. university of washington, i'm sure president trump has got that figure sitting right at his desk. and guess what is going to be frozen? >> lawrence: got to go. >> ainsley: hand it over to carley for headlines. >> carley: update on very important story we have been following, nuclear armed neighbors, india and pakistan exchanging strikes kashmir dozens of people killed.

shot down 25 indian drones, now airports across northern india are closed until saturday. president trump spoke about the conflict at the white house. >> they have gone tit-for-tat so hopefully they can stop now. we get along with both the countries very well. good relationships with both. i want to see it stopped. if i can do anything to help, i will be there. >> carley: both countries have a long history of confrontations since their founding in 1947. this morning, dhs secretary kristi noem will testify before the senate appropriations committee about her department's budget request. while nome faces lawmakers on capitol hill her deportation agenda new legal review. james bowberg is questioning the doj about nome's visited to the el salvador prison where deported migrants are being held. boasberg is asking whether the prison is, in fact, a tool in the administration's tool kit as

nome has said in the past. judge boasberg is suggesting moving the migrants from el salvador to guantanamo bay where the government can determine whether they are members of tren de aragua revamp air traffic control systems in the united states amid recent safety incidents and questions over decades long equipment. airline industry official told the "new york post" the faa is experiencing almost 1,000 outages a week. the director of information technology and cybersecurity at the government accountability office kevin walsh will join us later this hour to react to that. first lady melania trump is set to honor former first lady barbara bush today unveiling u.s. postal service stamp dedicated to the wife of the late former president, george h.w. bush. barbara bush, the mother of former president george w. bush and former florida governor jeb bush, died in 2018 at the age of

92. that's also happening today, guys. over to you. >> brian: barbara bush was the best. to the point. >> ainsley: wonderful. she was on the show. >> brian: thank you so much, carley. >> lawrence: another big story this morning. president trump going to announce a major trade deal today. >> ainsley: griff jenkins is here with more. >> griff: the markets seemed to be very happy with the trade deal head of this morning's opening on wall street there are a number of reports now in the "new york times" and elsewhere that this deal is with the u.k. the president won't confirm that, but here is what he posted on truth social last night. big news conference tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. the oval office concerning a major trade deal with representatives of a big and highly respected country the first of many. for a while now, the white house has said that negotiators were closing in on a number of trade deals, so as the president says, there may be more to come. and it's possible this will serve as a template with reports of negotiations are going well

with other big trading partners including japan, incorporated i can't and south korea. china though is another matter with talks set to begin over the weekend. in the meantime the current u.s. tariffs against china aren't going anywhere. >> are you open to pulling back your tariffs in order to get china to the negotiating table? >> no. >> what does china need to do on fentanyl? specifically? >> they have to top fentanyl from coming in that will be a very big part. i had that understanding with president xi before i left last nighttime. and we had a deal. he would have honored the deal. but when biden came in, of course, nothing happened. >> griff: remember on tuesday the president said that he was on the verge of what he called an earth shattering announcement but he also indicated it was not a trade related thing, so that doesn't appear to be the deal he is announcing today. let's wait and find out, guys. >> brian: we think it's u.k., right? >> ainsley: that's what the "new york times" is reporting. >> brian: it makes sense because, since brexit, we have

been looking to do a trade deal with them anyway. one thing after another it didn't happen. series of ministers, queen died, whatever. with starmer and trump getting along well this accelerated the process. >> ainsley: thank you, griff. >> lawrence: also the big question is what is going to be the big announcement in the middle east coming up as well. >> brian: i forgot about that. >> lawrence: everyone is waiting for some sort of hint. i talked to a source and i asked is this going to be a peace deal? they said bigger than that. >> ainsley: does it involve iran or israel? >> lawrence: i'm scratching at every source i can to get some information. we will see what happens. >> brian: on the british thing in it is. british taxes on companies want it removed. not clear whether had that. also talking about cars. removing tariffs on cars and farm goods that will be good. it will be a good start. here we go. >> ainsley: charlie hurt is having breakfast with our friends live at tucket's restaurant in nashville. if you are in the area, head on

over. >> charlie: hey there, guys. how are you? that's right. we are celebrating small business week. and we are here in nashville, tennessee at buckets in a room for the people who love small businesses how many people love small businesses. how many people like what donald trump is doing with tariffs? there you have it later in the show talking to kelly koepfler small business administrator an. small business owner quinn owe sullivan. how is it going, buddy? good to see you. tell us. what is it you make? >> i make unbreakable drink ware, fully sustainable. built from a resin base off of plants. we make everything right outside in knoxville, tennessee. >> charlie: you say unbreakable.

>> true to throw it against the wall and hit it with bats had fun trying to break these things. >> charlie: made glasses here for "fox & friends." >> we made these for you guys. >> charlie: severing made here in tennessee. some of the resin is sourced from, where? >> we bring a plant based resin in from one of our best allies, south korea. we are very excited to work with them. >> charlie: have you seen any effects with the tariffs. >> we have been planning long range. we have been making products in the united states for 12 years so we have been planning. >> charlie: i get to keep this right? this is for me. excellent. we want to go over here and talk to the owner of puckett's here in tennessee. how is it going? andy marshall? >> great to have you here this morning. >> do you normally have a crowd like this in the morning. >> not this energetic. >> charlie: tell us about

puckett's? >> family owned business 1988 two pump grocery store and now we have 10 restaurants across middle tennessee, east tennessee, and alabama. >> charlie: can you come to puckett's. you get your groceries, you get your great breakfast and live music sometimes? >> absolutely. that's the nashville way. >> charlie: very nice. thank you so much for having us this morning and thank you for hosting us for the entire three hour show. >> glad to have you here. >> charlie: nice. back to you, brian. >> brian: thank you so much, charlie. [applause] >> brian: look forward to check not guilty next two and a half hours. love the people in nashville. let's change gears. senator bernie sanders discuss tariffs on "special report" last night. >> this is what i think. the idea to say we believe in unfettered free trade and some tariffs some democrats are saying that. i think that's nonsense. the idea that you arbitrarily one day come up with tariffs on every country on earth for no particular reason, going to raise prices in this country

also absurd. not only did i vote against nafta and permanent normal trade i against those. disastrous trade agreements written by corporate america designed to allow corporations to shut down in america. move to china and move to mexico and hire people there starvation wages very bad policy. i believe in selective tariffs to protect american workers but the broad tariff proposals that trump brought forth, that is not the way to proceed. >> brian: he says the same thing for 60 years but never does anything about it. here to discuss this and more is arkansas senator and chairman of the senate intelligence committee tom cotton. senator, your thoughts about the deal with -- we think is with the u.k. and the talks that are happening on saturday with china? >> well, brian, if that's what the president announces this morning, i think it's a very welcome development, as he said from the beginning, we want to get better trade deals with our trading partners, especially

close allies like great britain. unfortunately sometimes even our allies taken advantage of american workers and businesses in the past. but, ultimately, the worst actor in the world on trade is communist china. for decades, they have been supporting their own companies with illegitimate means like state subsidies and giveaways and dumping products overseas in our market. while also attacking our companies, stealing their intellectual property. forcing them into joint interest with chinese companies and then take all their technology. so i'm glad to see that china finally is acknowledging some of the errors of its ways and asking for these talks. this is very harmful for the chinese economy. they just had to cut interest rates to keep their economy afloat. so, i hope that in the long run, what we can have a total adjustment of the trade relationship we have had with communist china going back decades. that's what president trump has been aiming for for 10 years. brian. >> brian: as i welcomed you, senator, president trump just

put this on truth social we will read it he together. the agreement is with the united kingdom is skull full and comprehensive, one that will cement the relationship with the united states and u.k. for many years to come because of our long time history and allegiance together. it is a great honor to have the united kingdom as first announcement. many of the other deals in serious negotiation to follow. speculation u.s. cars and farm goods moving taxes on u.s. tech also not clear whether the agreement had actually been finalized and that has now changed it. looks like it has been finalized. taxes on tech and farm goods. here we go. because the u.k. separate from the eu, and president wanted to reward that behavior. that's good news. let's talk about china. here's what the secretary of treasury said. he hopes for saturday. >> we are going to stick to our guns, but, again, the u.s. and china have shared interest. they are the deficit country though. they sell us about four times more than we sell them. so it would be felt harder in

china. the world has been coming to the u.s. and china has been the missing piece. we don't want to decouple. what we want is fair trade. >> brian: we hear that they are hurting big time. they have to walk out to the manufacturing plants. they have massive layoffs. people are upset about retirement benefits and medicare and things of that nature. we don't know much about china in detail but these are pretty substantial reports. where do you think this goes? saturday, when these talks are done, senator, where do you think we will be at. >> secretary bessent is right about the relationship we have with china. we heard earlier donald trump talking about fentanyl, that china has been seconding mexico into our country. also noted the biggest buyer of illicit oil from iran. i don't think we will settle these problems in one meeting. you are right that, again, china is feeling the strain. they wanted this meeting. we have got a lot of grievances to redress with them.

probably will take some time. that's what president trump has been trying to do for years now. >> brian: senator, i want to get to iran. real quick. since you always seem to be ahead of the game especially on china. do they know exactly where the precursors fentanyl are coming from going to mexico? and bliewble they can stop it? if they can stop it 20% of the 145% tariffs are about fentanyl. >> yeah, of course, brian. china is a totalitarian police state. they know exactly what is going on inside their country. they can stop this if they wanted to. >> brian: all right. so today, j.d. vance yesterday at the munich security conference was asked about what the state of the talks are with iran as we try to avoid, i guess, taking out their nuclear program with military action, watch. >> there is a deal here that would really iran into the global economy. really good for the iranian people but result in the

complete cessation of any chance that they get a nuclear weapon. that's option a. option b is very bad. it's very bad for everybody, and it's not what we want, but it's better than option c which is iran getting a nuclear weapon. that is what is completely off the table. >> brian: senator, your thoughts about his comments? >> president trump very clear 10 years since he entered politics. iran can never be allowed to have a nuclear weapon. 70th anniversary president trump made in first term which is to withdraw the united states from the disastrous obama nuclear deal. now, he is trying to get a better deal. a deal he said over the weekend which is the total dismantlement of their nuclear program. there is no reason for iran to enrich uranium. as secretary rubio had said if they enrichmond the lowest levels they can enrich the highest levels. they have to totally dismantle their program and president trump has been very clear. is he willing to sit down. is he willing to get a good

strong deal but also not let the iranians tack him along as they continue to enrich uranium. everything is going to come to a head very soon i predict. >> brian: he said he hasn't decided if he is going to let them enrich uranium at all. it's got to be zero, right? if they are going to get uranium, it's got to come from outside the country, don't you agree? >> yeah, that's what two dozen countries around the world civilian power. they don't enrich. bring from other countries. secretary rubio said last week if you have any centrifuges and enrich to low levels can you enrich to high levels for weapons. >> brian: big middle east announcement soon. senator, i know you will be at the tip of the spear for all of this. thank you for joining us today. big show ahead. don't forget to set your dvr i can't recap it all individually. that's a look at our guest. and this is the music we chose. ♪ shut i stay or go now ♪ if i go there will be trouble ♪ and if i stay it will be

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♪ >> ainsley: we are back with a fox news alert. black smoke seen rising from the chimney on top of the sistine chapel this morning. that means a new leader of the catholic church has not yet been chosen. the 133 cardinals are now on a lunch break. voting will resume in a little over three hours from now. the conclave will then continue. on the first of two more votes, again, using the white or black smoke to signal their decision and we'll be covering it. in other news it is national small business week where we celebrate the more than 33 million small businesses here in the united states. and "fox & friends weekend" co-host charlie hurt is ready to talk to small business owners at puckett's diner in nashville, tennessee. hey, charlie. >> charlie: yeah, that's right. we are here at puckett's all in business owners and employees people who make the world work. so we are delighted to be here. one of those small business owners here is kylie.

thank you so much for joining us. tell us the pers importance of l business. >> they are the backbone of the american economy. america has resilience in our d.n.a. right now is an incredible time for small business owners to adjust their strategy and stand up and show america what we are made of. >> charlie: there has been a lot of talk about the disruption and tariffs. and trump sends to operate in a disruptive manner. is this good or bad for you. >> disruptions are the best. any time there is a market disruption that's where we can pause and realize there is a hole in the market that we can creatively fill. so you have to be able to small business owner and you adjust to the market. what's the answer that we carry on on the inside of us serves our audience and target demographic. great time for small business owners. >> charlie: tell people what it is that you do. >> i work and travel and encourage people how to be able to live their best held we go around and equip women to be able to like themselves which is incredible.

if you have the identity carry on inside of you it will effect every area of your life. >> lawrence: important to like yourself. >> it really is. >> thank you so much. we will go over here. we are just getting breakfast served, just in time. we are like the waiter who asks how is it right after you take a bite to eat. how is it going? what's your name? >> taylor winston. >> >> charlie: what do you do. >> me and matter own dance. 2,000 attendees come nationwide to learn dancing. >> charlie: very nice. have you all been affected by all of the talk about tariffs? >> no, not right now. we just throw on a three day dance festival. >> charlie: probably not a lot of tariffs involved in dancing. >> i own a second amendment company. it's helping us bring manufacturing back to earthquak. thank you, donald trump. >> charlie: how would you rate the economy, how things are going right now.

>> right now it's going to be a little more challenging, but it will take time to bring all that manufacturing back. we will see prices go down and see improvement of america. >> charlie: it looks like you got some biscuits and gravy there. and that looks like something healthy. i don't know about that. what is that? >> breakfast burrito, my friend. a breakfast burrito at puckett. >> charlie: i like biscuits and gravy. that's the way to go. that's what is going on here at puckett's in nashville, ainsley. everybody is very excited about the economy and the direction we are going. in. >> ainsley: thank you so much. great job, charlie. check in with senior meteorologist janice teen for fox weather forecast. >> almost friday. and we do have showers and thunderstorms in the forecast for parts of texas along the gulf coast. in towards the atlanta, georgia area and then we are going to see the potential for not only severe storms for parts of the southeast and florida but heavy rain and flash flooding. and that's going to last the

duration of the weekend, unfortunately. we could see anywhere from 3 to 5, 5 to 8, 8 to 12 inches of heavy rain as this stalled system continues to pour rain and the potential for severe weather. this is tomorrow. so mainly hail and damaging winds. and then here in the northeast, a spectacular day today, friday not the case. we have a lot of heavy rain moving in especially for new york and points northward across new england where we could get two to three inches. this is through saturday morning. the good news is it should clear out saturday into sunday for mother's day. there are your current temperatures right now. so the eastern third of the country going to have to watch the next couple of days if you are traveling. weekend looks much improved for mother's day, ainsley. a little tease and a little reminder. >> ainsley: we are so excited if you are a child and watching just make us a card. tell us what you love about her. >> janice: that's the best, isn't it?

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♪ >> lawrence: so, the u.s. is experiencing thousands of air traffic control failures each week due to decades' old equipment. that's according to airline industry insiders who told the "new york post" more and more are expected without a serious overhaul of the system. so back in september, the government accountability office reported that 76% of the faa's 13 # air traffic control systems were deemed unsustainable or potentially unsustainable. and, of those systems, 105 of them were deployed from 20 to to 60 years ago. the gao has warned repeatedly that an faa needs to act urgently to modernize the air traffic control system. so let's discuss this. the director of information technology and cybersecurity government accountability office kevin walsh. sir, thanks so much for joining the program this morning. >> good morning, thanks for having me. >> lawrence: so the numbers tell a big story here looks like no

matter who is in charge that the system needed it to be overhauled, right? >> that's correct. they have been work on this since the 1980s. we have been kicking this can down the road for what is now multiple decades. it's urgent and we need to do something about it as shown by the events in newark and even in 2023 the outage of the entire airspace. >> lawrence: yeah. i want to play this moment on capitol hill where representative thomas massie from kentucky i think it really gets to the heart of the problem with the airline ceo. let's watch. >> we are looking at it as it looks like it's 40 years old but maybe 25 years old. anybody who looks at the screen and wonders how is this 2025 and this is the state of the art for air traffic control in the united states of america is really perplex. >> for over 14 years now, i have been saying that we are at an inflexion point with the and we

all need to act with urgency. we are past the inflexion point now, it's not acceptable for controllers and technicians to have to work with paper strips and floppy disk to operate the national air defense system in the united states. i showed these to people in in my office they couldn't tell me what they were because they're under 30. >> lawrence: thomas massie sees it this way is he not a congressman an engineer as well from mit. >> spot on. yep. we rely on these old systems which sadly is increasing our risk. the faa is working to modernize it but going pretty slow. takes them an decade to modernize the system. encouraging them to move faster. >> lawrence: look at other data right here. put up the big wall right here behind me. we got about 10,000. a little over 10,000 fully certified air traffic controllers, we're short 3,000 of that goal with 500 that are

already eligible to retire. how do we recruit more people and how long does it take to train them so we can meet that 3,000 short fall? >> lawrence, you are spot on. the workforce is a challenge. and it's a credit to the current workforce that they have been managing to keep the systems going and to keep the airspace safe in its current condition. but we also need to on board more. we need to ramp up hiring. we need to ramp up recruitment. and do our best to train these people that are urgently needed. >> lawrence: kevin, you know this space better than anyone. the secretary of transportation sean duffy is so supposed to unveil this new plan. what do you want to hear from him? >> so, when we, you know, see plans like this, we are generally hopeful. we want secretary duffy to succeed. this is urgently needed. we would love to see some milestones. a rough idea of the scope of these projects that they are

working on. and, perhaps, first and foremost, a plan to shut off the older system. we don't want to leaf any old zombie systems still running because we have to maintain the new system and old system at the same time. >> lawrence: i know some in washington are resistant to change. but i think our safety depends on it. i don't think it's fair to the american public or the people with inside of the industry. they i know they want to land all these planes safely. thank you so much for your insight this morning. we really appreciate it. >> glad to be on. >> lawrence: carley shimkus has headlines. >> a few sports to get to. legendary football coach nick saban is expected to co-chair president trump's new commission on college sports. the seven-time national title winner will be joined by another co-chair said to be a prominent businessman with deep ties to college athletics. bill looks to tackle nil payments. conference realignment and much more. and to the nba playoffs.

oklahoma city cruising two victory in game 2 over the nuggets to even up the series one game apiece. post season record 87 points in the first half. the thunders win 149 to 1046. this is a story our very own brian kilmeade is very excited about. a bit of a deja vu in boston. the knicks rallying from 20 points down, again, to take a two game series lead over the defending champion celtics. >> tatem maneuvering. three. for the knicks. they got it. they have won it. new york has gone up two games to none. >> carley: they did it again. knicks won 91-90. new york loves to beat boston. check out these fans going wild at a watch party outside of madison square garden. they were thrilled. imagine being a knicks fan and watching this unfold for a

second time. lawrence. >> lawrence: you know, i was so proud of them. even though i'm a texan i decided to rock the colors today just to celebrate the win, brian. it's all for you. >> carley: i will let you take it. >> brian: i'm just brought in for commentary. [laughter] >> lawrence: i will see you all. we still got a big show ahead. kelly loeffler, tom homan tennessee governor bill lee, christie brinkley coming up all in the next two hours of the show. charlie hurt is live all morning long having breakfast with friends at the puckett restaurant in nashville. ♪

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♪ >> ainsley: good morning, 7:00 a.m. on the east coast, thursday, may 8th. >> lawrence: you are this morning. >> ainsley: i am i am interviewing christie brinkley. she is coming on the show in a little while on "fox & friends." we saw black smoke coming out of the sistine chapel last hour which means the next pope has not been chosen. when can we expect the next vote? we will talk to the reporters in rome. >> brian: new details on these suspected teen tren de aragua members attacked nypd officers