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white house set to sandy list of spending cuts to congress. don't worry about it. will it get the g.o.p. support it needs. steve live in the sunshine state and talking with florida congressman and maybe gubernatorial -- the next governor of florida, byron donalds. >> lawrence: see how ainsley affirmed you, brian? when you said plus? that's the way you do affirmation for co-workers. >> ainsley: thank you. lawrence gave me confirmation in the lapse hour. not you so much, brian. >> brian: we could have handled this in the break.

>> lawrence: today is the deadline for former biden officials sponsor a request to appear before congress and answer questions what they knew about the president's mental acuity. the second hour of "fox & friends" starts right now. >> brian: get dressed. >> lawrence: fbi director kash patel is promising the american people will get more answers on the assassination attempt against the candidate trump at butler pennsylvania last summer. >> ainsley: takes you back, right? alex of who is live at the white house with more on kash patel's push for transparency. hey, alex. >> good to be with you this morning. the fact many americans feel like they simply do not know that much about the butler shooter thomas crooks and director patel seeks to remedy that with full transparency but acknowledged to bret last night that there may not be much more to know. >> they are going to know everything we know. and that's the other thing we do. we take assassination attempts, especially the president of the united states extremely seriously. and we don't feel that the

american people have been given the information they need on that. and we're digging through the files and we're getting them a more robust picture of what happened and whether or not there were any connections. >> now director patel dismissed theories circulated online campaign sabotage or foreign interference looking for things where they don't exist. former fbi director james comey 86 47 has left. patel is furious about that. comey didn't know it could be seen as a threat to the president. now the department has to make sure that imitation posts are not. >> do you know how many copy cats we have had to investigate as a result as that beach side venture from the former director? do you know how many agents i have this to take offline from chasing down child sex predators, fentanyl traffickers, terrorists because everywhere across this country people are popping up on social media and think that a threat to the life of the president is a joke?

>> potential legal action against comey is still uncertan back to you. >> ainsley: that's incredible news. thank you so much. he is pulling people that are tracking down terrorists and drug traffickers and child sex predators santiago them of a those cases to go investigate shells on the beach because copy cats after james comer fired by president trump in may of 2017, he sees those shells, he posts that on social media, thinks it's funny, thinks it's innocent he said. he was a former fbi director. and he thinks that he didn't think that was a threat? >> lawrence: there is also bipartisan condemnation of james comey, democrats don't like him and republicans definitely don't like him. and if this universal theme that he is a dirty cop. and he does things that are politically motivated and the explanation that he gave about the shells just don't pass the smell test. he was talking to his life and on a stroll oh, we will just take a picture of this.

doesn't make any sense. >> brian: trying to sell his book. you know the one person who loves james comey james comey. is he so in love with himself. kash patel he said i almost feel bad for him. he got the job. chasing down for so long. he does not know how to run this organization. he has no idea how to head this organization. and then kash patel laughed at that prospect. is he moving the organization. is he changing their focus. he is moving them out of d.c. he is putting them into the bureaus. and he was struck by how many people came up to him saying he didn't want to reform it. >> ainsley: critic of the fbi russia gate and donald trump appoints him to be the fbi director kash patel. he said one of the things that surprised me the most and pleasantly so was the amount of men and women at the fbi that hated that they did this to the bureau. and that when i got in the seat, when dan bongino got in the seat, they said we want to fix this place. >> lawrence: speaking of dan bongino, is he going to be coming up on "fox & friends" in the 8:00 hour. i want to ask him, also,

about -- they were hiding documents. >> brian: crossfire hurricane. >> lawrence: hiding documents from the fbi director and deputy director? that is shady business still happening there at the bureau. we ask about it coming up. >> brian: they knew thousand drag it out. yesterday the president of the united states had no problem saying nothing personal against harvard but they are handling this all wrong essentially saying we are going to take grant money away. reprogram it towards trade schools which might be a little bit of a political hurdle on trade schools and how it's done. i there are some mechanics that have to be adhered to then. understand the sentiment. he said when it comes to foreign students, way too many foreign students on your campus. 27 to 32%. i'm saying there should be a cap at 15%. >> lawrence: here is the president. >> we want to know where those students come from. are they troublemakers? what countries do they come from? if somebody is coming from a country 100 percent fine which i hope many of them are but many of them won't be. you will see some very radical people. taking people from areas of the

world that are very radicalized. we don't want them making trouble in our country. when i think they should have a cap of maybe around 15%. not 31%. we have people who want to go harvard and other schools. they can't get in. because we have foreign students there. but i want to make sure that the foreign students are people that can love our country. >> ainsley: today is 10:30 up in boston in court will be the trump administration going against harvard. and marco rubio, he also said he is considering revoking visas from chinese students, including those who have connections to the chinese communist party or they are studying critical fields. >> brian: going to aggressively revoke visas for chinese students. they will be heavily screw the d because they come over here and commissioned to spy. families back there they have leverage over the kids. as well-meaning as they might seem, who knows if they are getting screened. first obligation chinese loyalists. >> lawrence: this is important

for two points. a, i don't think it's fair to the american students that are applying -- why do we have waitlists if we have 30% of universities -- i'm sure hang 00 other universities as well waitlist. our american kids should be first to these schools. secondly, we saw all these protests on universities lighter. dom find out a lot of them weren't even from this country. they are international students. you came here to get an education, not be little jihadis on the campus with can a fee as around your face and hamas flags singing from the river to the sea. it's a national security issue. and a fairness to the american students. >> ainsley: jonathan turley wrote a book about this. there is only 3% of the professors at harvard are conservative. so the president of harvard said in an interview, was it yesterday or recently this week, said they want -- this is wrong. so i was happy to hear the president say that of harvard. jonathan turley explains why these ivy league schools need foreign students. >> these foreign students are something of a meal ticket for

universities. most of them payed full rate, full tuition. and so, universities are eager to get them because they represent a significant financial component for then. when you are also squeezing grants, even a university the size of harvard against on the bottom line. >> brian: garber announced the president of harvard there is a problem with not enough conservative thought. i don't know what he is doing to change it. he will answered a question at npr he cites it yeah people say they're intimidated to speak up. that's an herb. when are you going to address it? i think it's under appreciated great line from yesterday i h i know there is a lot of them. when you think about it. even if harvard wins some court cases, the blue light has revealed the stains on this university in a way. >> ainsley: blue light again. people are eating breakfast. 7:09. >> lawrence: not a right analogy. >> ainsley: blue lights in hotel rooms.

>> lawrence: people eating their breakfast having their coffee and making this nasty display. just pick a different. >> ainsley: is there another analogy? >> brian: it exposes the problems by exposure. >> ainsley: keeping eye on harvard having commencement ceremony today. they are expecting anti-israel protesters. >> brian: go ahead. >> lawrence: no. i was going to toss it to ainsley but you go ahead. >> brian: i will toss it to ainsley. >> ainsley: what are we talking about here? okay, today is the deadline for all the staffers that work for joe biden. there are five of them. there are four people that were staffers. we have their pictures and also the doctor. so, you have james comer who said i want to know what you knew. was there a cover-up in the oval office? and so he said y'all need to answer my letters, we're inviting you to come for interviews. if i don't answer today, you are going to force us to subpoena you. >> brian: we want to know who was running the country and this unlike when joe biden was in

power. there's a sentiment in this country bipartisan to a degree because if you stand up for joe biden right now, is he radioactive for your political career. so, you find out who was running the country, for example, whose idea was it to sign an executive order banning drilling in the artic. he never talked about that. he never talked about executive orders mandating clean energy. power ai centers. who talked about offshore drilling bans. did joe biden even know what he was signing when he did it? and the only way to do that is to go to the so-called bureau that surrounded him. never elected and that's why those we just had the full screen up. that's why those people are going to be on the list asked to testify. if not, expect a spheen. >> lawrence: speaker called them out and the said no, i didn't do that did he sign the document. i saw this with stephen a. smith yesterday people that wrote this

book. apparently, according to tapper who is now trying to do a victory lap on this. that none of the people that he talked, to the senior staff cabinet members have any regret about what they did. they don't apologize for what they did. they still feel like it's the right thing. the reason why they feel that way because there hasn't been any consequences. people start turning the way they feel about things when they are held accountablible. i'm not sure what they did was legal. >> ainsley: i know this is not going to happen i'm hoping that one of them will just come out and say yeah, we did this. we knew what we were doing. we knew that joe biden wanted to be president so badly. we helped him get elected and the deal was that our -- his aides were going to take over and we were all progressives and that's how we were going to get our agenda pushed into the white house. >> brian: right. because he evidently had his whole career as a moderate. he ran as a moderate. >> he had the most left wing presidency that even made barack obama blush. who did that?

>> my feeling is james comer gets these people up there no, no, joe biden told me. to say what's your recourse? get joe biden? joe biden, is he capable of testifying? he does think he was running the country. joe biden -- by the way, really sincerely believes he was making these decisions. he does not know he is losing his mind or lost it. >> ainsley: you don't think when they those moments with his wife, do you think they ever just said this is not what we ran on. >> brian: she let him walk on the beach with a chair knowing that he couldn't walk on flat ground. >> ainsley: besides the cognitive stuff, when you look at the issues and policy, do you not think they had conversations like this is not the democratic party you have been a part of forever. we compared and contrast so many different soundbites of what he used to say when he was a senator. and then when he was maybe vice president compared to what the administration was doing as president, two different politicians. >> lawrence: i thought they wanted his presidency to be the

most. he wanted to outleft obama. >> lawrence: that's right. >> ainsley: hand it over to carley for headlines. >> carley: i certainly do. the nypd arresting nearly two dozen protesters outside an immigration court in lower manhattan after the crowd got violent. this happening hours after witnesses reported several people were arrested inside an ice field office. some of the crowd were angry over the arrest of a 20-year-old bronx high school student who was detained after appearing in court for his asylum case. louisiana's attorney general remaining confident that the last two fugitives in the new orleans jail break will be captured. >> we just are going to continue our very methodical work to get them back in custody. and we have been successful and i'm confident t that we will eventually have them back in custody. they are considered to be armed and very dangerous. >> carley: a total of 1 people have now been arrested for

allegedly assisting the escaped inmates. tomorrow marks two weeks since the 10 prisoners escaped from that new orleans jail. according to new fbi records, the wife of a former justice department official nellie ohr gave false testimony about her involvement in contributing to the trump-russia hoax in 2016. at the time she worked for the research firm, fusion gps. that was hired to investigate the now debunk connection between trump's campaign and russia. iowa senator chuck grassley revealeddor may have been involved in drafting aspects of the steel dossier by lying to congress nellie ohr showed contempt for congressional oversight and the american people. and for your next trip, have you considered town sizing or land snorkeling. unfamiliar with the new terms guide up to dated with travel lingo. detour destinations are becoming more popular. those are locations less well-known and crowded than

tourist hot spots like a detour from l.a. to santa barbara or cozumel to cancun. if your next is town sized easy vibe rather than big city buzz. if you hear land snorkeling take the time to nature we ordinarily don't see or pay attention. to say like watch the butterflies floating in the sky and the bees buzzing around you. >> brian: going to be tough. >> carley: it will be tough for you, brian. because you are onto the next thing before the thing you door doing is finished. >> ainsley: y'all can't sit still in a chair for an hour. the beach. the men just have to move. >> lawrence: we don't love being stagnant. >> brian: how do you play football? you mean throw a football. i you meant like a game. >> lawrence: playing football in the sand. >> brian: you could do that.

by the way, a couple of things. i think spike ball is still the rage. it's exhausting. >> lawrence: what is that? >> ainsley: like volleyball. >> brian: little net. ricochets everywhere. four or five guys you have to be an athlete to be good right chris chulo. get a good sweat going. >> lawrence: brings up this nonsense and includes everyone in it and have to agree with it. >> brian: what is wrong with including. >> chris: is like i don't even know. >> ainsley: there is also pickleball which is steve's favorite. go down to florida having breakfast with friends playing golf at top stroke in west palm. hey, steve. say hello to my friends. located. everybody comes up to me okay you moved to florida. can you golf yet? i said i'm learning. and we're here at popstroke. this is one of the best places in the world.

this is one of the best places in the world. it's like the fanciest putt putt golf course you have ever seen. a lot of famous people come here. right now byron donalds the congressman is practicing his short game. let's see. no pressure, buddy. no pressure. [cheers] very, very nice. all right. so, popstroke was invented by this guy and greg bartoli we had something in common we both escaped from new york. >> i left before it was cool and now like you everyone is following suit. recommendation popstroke you started a couple years ago. this one is fantastic. you got world class bar. you have a v.i.p. room up there at the top of the 8:00 hour somebody is going to do a cannon ball into the pool. the response has been amazing so far. >> incredible. grateful for the result let's

talk. thank you very much, greg. come over here and talk to this kid right here. hey there young man what's your name. >> my name is lawson. >> steve: what are you doing here today? >> i came here to play golf. >> steve: let's see you hit the ball. just like that. no pressure, no pressure. the congressman has got it in. come on. >> awe. >> steve: so close do. another one. shouldn't you be in school? >> um, yeah. >> steve: he he he. well, is he on "fox & friends." go ahead. very good. close enough. very nice to meet you. give me five. >> steve: do you know what ainsley, brian and lawrence, greg is absolutely right. this is multi-generational. ainsley has played here and ainsley not only is it a good place to be with your family or friends but they have fantastic

food and as i can see over at the bar. it is thirsty thursday and people are actually -- they have gone into the thirsty part you do know what i mean. >> ainsley: maybe you and i will go there with sean on saturday and your beautiful wife kathy. >> steve: i would love that good. deal. >> lawrence: it's date. >> ainsley: thank you. >> brian: all right, guys, check back in with you. a start date has been set for the bryan kohberger trial. next guest part of the oj simple dream team says this is as close to the o.j. case as any. >> lawrence: alan dershowitz joins us next to explain. >> this program is brought to >> this program is brought to you by volume tarren, the joy of movement. is applied to the site of pain. penetrating deep through the skin to the joint, reducing intense pain and stiffness so you can move more freely. voltaren, clinically proven long-lasting arthritis pain relief.

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♪ >> lawrence: the bryan kohberger trial set to start in august four counts of first degree murder and one count of burglary and could face the death penalty if convicted. the judge setting rules for the courtroom, including the trial being live streamed allowing kohberger's family to attend and even if they are testifying. more on the use of certain words like murderer. bring in harvard law professor emeritus alan dershowitz. thank you for joining the program this morning. >> sure. >> lawrence: i covered this trial not the trial but the actual case for about two months. i have a lot of concerns here. can you talk about the chain of

custody when it documents crime scene? i feel like that is going to be one thing that the defense is probably going to scrutinize. what do you think? >> oh, no doubt about that. this is so similar to the o.j. simpson case a horrible multiple murder. the only defense is who done it is the circumstantial evidence enough? is the chain of custody broken so that you can challenge some of the evidence, some of the dna evidence? it's so reminiscent of the o.j. simpson case. the defense theory is not going to be to deny it's a horrible crime. they are going to say there just isn't enough evidence. there is reasonable doubt to connect me to this case. and the chain of custody is going to be a very, very important part of it. and the judge's rulings will determine how much evidence the jury hears. if the jury hears all the

evidence, this, like the o.j. simpson case would be a slam dunk. but if there is doubts about the evidence. doubts about the dna. doubts about the chain of custody, then the jury will only hear selective evidence and the defense will be able to argue that the circumstantial evidence still leaves open the possibility of a reasonable doubt. i think that will be the defense. the hardest question will be does the defendant take the stand? that's different than the o.j. simpson case. simple couldn't take the stand because he had such a horrible record of abuse toward his wife whereas if this guy can take the stand without owning up the evidentiary door to material that would otherwise not come in, he might very well take the stand and say no, no. it just wasn't me. this is going to be a fascinating case that will remind many people of what happened 30 years ago.

>> lawrence: you bring up an interesting point. that is who is going to take the stand. i can't wait to see the witness list. one of the things that the defense is probably going to be working with is, you have one of the witnesses, one of the victims there that said that she saw him. but then she went back to bed and he left the crime scene. it wasn't even reported until later that next day when they found the dead bodies. do you expect the defense to go after this witness? >> well, they are going to have to be very gentle, obviously. and yet, of course they are going to have to go after the witness. you have to go after every witness that inculpates a defendant. but you have to go after them in a way that doesn't create a sympathy. remember, too, that the judge has put the family in the front row of the courthouse, the courtroom. and the jury is going to be looking at the family and looking at other people and trying to sense their reaction

as well and so the defense has to be very careful as to how they treat witnesses and not put them in a situation where there is sympathy, overt sympathy, more sympathy than necessary to these witnesses. so, this is far from a slam dunk. you know, cases look like they are easy when the prosecution presents its evidence. and here we have had a media flow of evidence through programs and other kinds of things and that's going to be another issue the defense is challenging leaks, remember, the judge issued an order saying no, we can't allow any of this to go on television and gone on television and there will be hearings to determine. >> lawrence: it's already out there though. i have 30 seconds, allen. one of the other things that i'm sure the prosecution is going to bring up that the defense is going to have to respond. to say he was a student. he was a criminal student.

part of that access gave him access to the crime lab. he has researched cases. so he was methodical in some case. how do you expect the defense to respond to that? >> well, i think they hope and pray that's the strongest evidence. because that's really circumstantial evidence. if you went after everybody who was a crimina criminology studed had access to this information would be a lot of innocent people that becomes one part of larger circumstantial case. and they are not going to be able to challenge that. they're going to have to adapt that and say look, he was somebody who was a criminology student trying to help people. not the kind of person use his criminology background hurt innocent people. >> lawrence: all right. appreciate you, professor, a legal mind a lot of people know. thank you, sir. >> my pleasure, thank you. >> lawrence: the white house set to send a list of doge to congress will it get the supports it needs. steve is in sunshine state with

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>> we are back with a fox news alert. explicit chief turned convicted killer who escaped from prison over the weekend. so brooke taylor is there. she is covering this. we are going to get to her in a moment. if you do some research and we did some research this morning to find out what is he convicted of. everyone wants to know what he did. he was arrested in 2017 for

shooting 59-year-old james appleton who was a water department worker. he was in his truck on the side of the road. then they did some dna testing that, led to the conviction -- okay. producers, let me just tell the folks at home and then i will toss it to steve, give me a second, please. that dna led to the cold case rape of amy harrison, 3rd grade teacher raped in 1997 at the school by herself doing lesson plans. went to the bathroom, came out and a guy with the gun. turns out years later they used his dna and he was the one charged with that. that's why he was behind bars. they are looking for him. our reporter there, we're having some difficulty with our audio so now we are going to hand it over to steve breakfast with friends live at popstroke in west palm beach. hey, steve. >> steve: hey, ainsley. that's right. look who is with me. we got byron donalds, the congressman from florida. >> hey, ainsley. >> steve: good morning to you, sir. >> good morning. >> steve: we were talking earlier, you seemed to be a

pretty good golfer. >> i do all right. i'm okay. >> steve: we're at popstroke. they have locations. 20 locations by the end of the year in seven different states. and this would be a great place for you to bring you and your three sons. 17th hole and there is my shot. >> that's pretty good. >> steve: not bad. >> that's pretty good. [cheers] >> all right. and come on. oh oh oh,. >> oh,. >> man, you are good. >> that was pretty good. >> steve: speaking of good. a lot of the people like to see what congress is go to do actually doing. >> right. >> that is it sounds like you guys in congress are preparing a bunch of doge-like cuts tell us about that. >> we call it technically a rescission package. 9.5 billion in cuts. a lot of stuff that elon and the doge team was working on. and are we playing bachie?

what are we doing here? we are going to work on that. we will be able to do that when we get back to capitol hill. obviously the big beautiful bill is in the senate. going to work on that. >> steve: you guys passed it. >> we passed it. the senate needs to pass it. they might make changes. we will see what happens. people looking for doge cuts. a lot of the doge stuff is discretionary spending. you can't do that in budget reconciliation. so it's going to be its own vehicle. >> steve: take your shot. >> here we go. >> steve: very nice. all right. just like that. finish up. there you go. >> congressman, we're going to do one more hole. the 18th hole. here you go. governor desantis has been critical of congressman not acting on more cuts. right? >> yeah. i mean, look, i think everybody is frustrated because at the end of the day, you know, we want to make sure that we're living within our means as a country. you know, the bond market, starting to cost us a little bit more. when it comes to borrowing money. we have to be mindful of that

stuff. i get the governor's frustration. i think there is a lot of frustration. >> this is the beginning, not the end of the work that's going to be done on capitol hill. >> steve: here we go. 18th hole. >> that's pretty good. >> steve: we will see how that goes. >> look at that. >> steve: whoa,look at that. i love this popstroke. >> here we go. let's see what i got. >> steve: all right. you are pretty sassy on the last hole. >> avoid that. >> steve: close again. what do you make of the courts putting the president's tariffs on hold? >> i feel like the court is really interfering with the president's agenda on so many levels. i do think the supreme court overall needs to address what we're going to do aboudistrict . these nationwide injunctions don't make a lot of sense. especially whether you have somebody who has a mandate from the american people. but, you know, the president will be able to get his agenda

done and we will be with him every step of the way. >> steve: you represent a beautiful district here in florida. you know, a lot of people are talking about maybe you should be the governor and run the whole state. >> right. >> steve: where are you on that thinking right now. >> i'm running. two months ago we filed papers. we are doing all the work. raising money. being everywhere in florida whether it's here in palm beach county, in miami-dade. in central florida. seminole county in couple days. imperial polk county. friday night that's where i'm going to be. we're campaigning going everywhere. >> steve: when i say what is your thinking on it what do you mean who do you think your opponent is going to be? possibility could be the governor's wife casey? >> i don't know. at this point i'm running my race. >> steve: do you know what? so far we are playing the ball. god darn it your shot. >> i got pick this up. >> steve: president trump has already endorsed you for governor. >> he has i better make this shot or else i will be in trouble with him. oh, come on, roll in there.

>> steve: oh, my goodness. [cheers] look at that what a way to end the show. very nice. congressman, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> steve: how about a round of applause for who could be your next governor? [cheers] >> steve: all right. anxiously, back to you in new york city. >> ainsley: all right. great job. thank you, steve. meteorologist adam klotz has our fox weather forecast. hey, adam. >> adam: good morning, ainsley. tough to watch steve down in florida because it is a drizzly nasty day in new york city. that is the case for a whole lot of folks on this us this. let's dive right into it and show where all of the rain showers are across the country. a big kind of sloppy mess out there. the southeast is going to get it back across the central plains. get it as well. what we are talking about is many days of rain as we have seen here over the last week or. so flooding is going to be a major concern along the gulf coast. temperatures ultimately run up into the 70s along the northern tier and then across the southern tier back into the 80s. across the desert southwest close to 100 in phoenix.

they will be seeing record breaking temperatures here as we head into the second half of the week into the weekend. those are the weather headlines from a drizzly new york city. i will toss it back inside to you, ainsley. >> ainsley: thank you, adam. president trump signing several high profile pardons including todd and judy chrisley. trump's czar will join us next. ♪

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>> brian: back with a fox news alert. the manhunt in arkansas intensify for explicit chief convicted killer who escaped from prison over the weekend. let's go to brook in gateway, arkansas. >> hi, brian, we are on day five of this manhunt. these are serious crimes. this is a convicted murderer and also rapist. the local sheriff's office warning everyone who lives nearby and the surrounding communities lock your doors and cars, calling this an extremely dangerous person so new court documents right now revealing a corrections officer mistook harden for an officer and opened a secure gate allowing him to just walk right out. that's because he was last seen like this, dressed in a fake law enforcement uniform. authorities say they're supposed to be some verification process

before that gate is opened. they are investigating that security breach and whether he got any help from the inside. hardin was once the police chief of this small town of gateway but in 2017 he pleaded go ahead to the murder of james appleton, a waters department employee. through his dna police linked hardin to unsolved 1997 rape of an elementary school teacher. he was sentenced to a combined 80 years in prison for both of those crimes. meanwhile, the former arkansas police chief where hardin was once an officer spoke on "fox & friends" this morning. >> he is not a good person. is he not a good person. and i was surprised when he escaped. you know, he is the kind of person that will capitalize on anything he can get ahold of to further himself. brook broong meanwhile the sister of the 2017 murder victim who is now the mayor of gateway

says her family has been living in fear since his escape. >> i'm really concerned with myself, my husband, and i have a twin sister that's on our city council and she was on the council at that time. he knows this. so yeah, it's very scary. >> brooke: a spokesperson with the department of corrections says search efforts have been an issue right now this have had struggled because of the terrain around the prison. ground helicopters, that's put at disadvantage. authorities feel confident is he still in the area. brian, we will see what day five brings, hopefully some good luck here. >> brian: i couldn't believe there are actually caves there thanks so much. appreciate it. change gears, president trump signing high profile pardons and commutations including former governor of connecticut john

rowland nba young boy and todd and julie chrisley. the chrisleys have been released from prison happened late yesterday afternoon. their daughter savanna is reacting, listen. >> i'm just so grateful that i'm going to leave hire with my dad. i will forever be grateful that we have an administration that is reuniting families. there is many here that deserve a second chance and alice johnson said it best. this isn't just for individuals who have been wrongfully convicted. this clemency process is for individuals who have served their time. >> brian: right. alice marie johnson is the person she was just referring to and she is the pardon czar who helped present the case to president trump and he signed off on it. great to see you. what went into the decision that you thought that todd and julie deserve to be out. >> they were over-sentenced.

they both received a combined sentence of 19 years for first time nonviolent offense. if you look at their case and how it went down, i'm going to say that, in georgia. it was truly weaponed they called them the trumps of georgia. >> when you looked at background you said they seem d. seem to hide money from the irs. they were buried in debt to fraud banks. yyou are not saying that didn't happen but overly charged. >> definitely overly charged. without going into the elements of this trial which if we had more time too talk ba it i would be able to tell you all the horrific things that happened in their case. they were certainly over-sentenced and for that, looking at them, they don't pose a risk to society. in fact, i know that they are going to use their voices and their platform to uplift the president's agenda. >> brian: so, alice, can you tell everyone at home what the criteria is what you go through

before you make a recommendation to the president to sign off on the pardons? what do you look for? >> yes. one of the things that i look for is rehabilitation. person is incarcerated. have they rehabilitated? have they admitted not only admitted but are they remorseful for what they have done? i look at what the staff say about them. i look at do they pose a safety risk to the community? that's one of the big things because we don't want to release one that would pose a risk to the community. i look at really do they have good reentry plan? if they don't have that. because some have been in prison so long. that they really can't say that i have a job waiting on me. >> brian: that's interesting. okay. a couple wrappers have come out or say one in particular. young boy. one of his lyrics in 2017 that he put out is f donald trump. it's had more disparaging things

he had to say. violent past assault and battery. multiple firearm and drug charges. what sold you on him getting a second chance? >> i look at the age and how this young man grew up. he grew up in a very impoverished neighborhood. and the things that he had to face young being a young boy growing up. most of them were gun charges. without the guns being discharged. but i also look at what happened to him on a set where he was filming a video and he had a prop in the set. that's really where this came from. he didn't come out of prison. he was given a pardon so he could have a new beginning. the officers who in this particular case they came at him as though he was a terrorist and he was on a set filming for a video. they gave him a gun charge for that. and he thought the officers who did this were all investigated and fired. so i look at the elements of what happened to the young man.

>> brian: one thing, alice, i know the president has great respect for you and really values your opinion already, i think we have 40 pardons outside of the january 6th guys, how many do you think you will recommend by the time the four years are done? >> there are -- i have been entrusted with this position, brian. and i can't give you a number. but i can tell you this: is that i will be carefully reviewing all cases that come there. i have got a team around me. they also vet these cases. it's not just my eyes looking at these cases, they go to attorneys. and they pull up their background. they do a risk assessment of them. they look at the elements of the crime and then come back and then it goes even further. >> brian: gotcha. alice marie johnson. very important job i hope everyone getting these pardons and commutations realize the opportunity you are giving them. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you for having me on. >> brian: all right.

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