if and when all of that comes out. but you know, ted talks about one of, i think, the key holes in this story, which is the initial encounter, because once he is spotted by the police and we don't even know if they make him immediately as a fake cop, you know, it's dark out. there's a patrol car there of some variety. he retreats, apparently into the house, and apparently some sort of a standoff occurred because, according to the early reporting, the bodies found in the house at that location were only located by a. >> i don't want to cut you off. stay on the phone. stay on the phone. we're going to come right back to this here in just a couple of minutes. hold that thought. this is a fox news alert. i'm ashley strohmier, live in new york. we're following breaking news out of minnesota, where police say the gunman accused of shooting two state lawmakers and their spouses has been arrested. 57 year-old vance bolter is accused of assassinating democratic minnesota state representative melissa horton and her husband, and severely injuring state senator john

hoffman and his wife. hoffman and his wife underwent surgery. the lawmakers homes were less than ten miles apart, investigators say. early yesterday morning, bolter, dressed like a police officer, came out of portman's home and fired at police before escaping. we're also learning. police found a list of 70 names, including other lawmakers and abortion providers, in bolter's car. that car also allegedly looked like a police car. minnesota's governor tim walz is calling the shooting a, quote, act of targeted violence. and president trump is promising prosecution to the fullest extent of the law. the fbi was offering a $50,000 reward for information leading to baltar's arrest. now, we were just talking to paul mauro just moments ago. paul, you were saying that there's some holes in the beginning of this encounter. keep going with that thought. >> yes. what i was just going to mention is that, to me, the big question becomes. and ted touched on it, is that how did he get from that initial

encounter, which apparently developed into a bit of a standoff? and from that location all the way back to this rooming house that he was staying at. i did the google map on it. it's about six miles and could even conceivably walked it. yeah, conceivably. but, you know, that seems to be a little bit of a reach. you have to wonder, did he do something as prosaic as call an uber, or did he have another vehicle stashed nearby and he was going to leave the patrol car there? that at this point, i'm not sure it's going to matter, but that is a question. i think that is still a little bit of a hole in the story. my understanding is that they got him. now i'm just hearing they got him in a farm area. and so i think he might have thought that, you know, he was going to go into this rural area that maybe he knew he thought better than the local police. and once again, he was going to outsmart them. i don't know if the dogs got him or how they actually pinpointed him, but i'm getting now through some sourcing that they got him on a farm so very different from, you know, the

locations that we had previously been hearing about. and the only other thing i would just mention here is that, you know, look, the one thing about the federal government, they're very clever with getting jurisdiction. and that's something that's not being pejorative. you know, it's legal, but they can sometimes they, they sometimes they can get themselves under that umbrella in very clever ways. and i'm thinking just out loud. but if they manage to put together something where he was out of state with one of the guns that was used, or as part of the plot, he was using something in interstate commerce, the not being involved or something like that. they may be able to get themselves to some sort of a federal charge that isn't even terrorism. and i just bring it up because we all know a similar case, and that's luigi mangione. luigi mangione is currently charged federally because he went interstate and committed a homicide, and he potentially could be looking at the death penalty federally. you might be able to get this

guy under that as well if you got some clever lawyering. so again, thinking out loud, but these are some of the things that occur to me at first blush. >> yeah there might be some workarounds for that. paul, stay on the line with us. we're going to bring in retired atf special agent in charge bernard zapor. bernard, thanks for getting on the phone with us to talk about this. just initially, your thoughts here on this man being captured. >> you know, one of the things that is a lot of noise at the moment is motive and intent. and, you know, two parts of this law enforcement operation is the detection of finding of him. and then, in retrospect, the investigation. i mean, the biggest thing tonight is the relief to the communities in minnesota to know that you had an active hunter of human beings stalking and avoiding law enforcement. so there's great relief there. it frees up a lot of law enforcement resources that were used in protection and search. that's going on. when you look in retrospect as to motive and intent for somebody like him and what's going on here, it's almost like there's a created

enemy, whether it's political, racial or some kind of ideology. but at the core of it, when you look at studies of mass shooters, hunting shooters such as him, it's almost a ego self-obsessed, sociopathic person that does this. they have all the options in the world for prosecution here. this this person is going to face some serious he could have the opportunity for federal death penalty. that's a possibility. the state of minnesota is going to want to prosecute. so they'll have to make decisions among prosecutors. but the most important thing is the people that live there can have a sigh of relief that they don't have this active hunter out on the loose. >> you know, paul, i was just speaking to paul mauro right before you and his sources are telling him that he was possibly captured in a farm area, like a type of field of some sort. what does that say to you with him? essentially seems like hiding in a field.

>> you know, the concern, i think, for law enforcement there in minnesota. first off, you know, law enforcement community is very tight in minnesota. it's an interesting place because you have the concentration of the metropolitan area with saint paul, minneapolis and all the suburbs. but then you have rule. you have farmland, agricultural land, and obviously a beautiful natural resources. but he's hiding to avoid capture. but he also could be resetting himself to further his attacks. i mean, obviously, he's going to be smart enough to know that law enforcement is discovering his target list and making preparations for him. but my guess is that he very possibly wanted to get some more people before he either was captured or killed. >> you know, how much of this do you think law enforcement relied on civilians or. i mean, i guess this could really be just a group effort on everyone's part. authorities and civilians. >> you know, there's a tremendous amount of

information that was coming in nonstop, not only for before it even started to get public input, but just the fact that this car was left at the initial shooting scene. so they're already having identity, they're having issues, they're having body cam, they're having license plate readers from the past of how he got there. and so there's an entire analytical aspect that's going on developing information that is turned into tactical leads that lead to his capture. then they have to manage the input from the public, and then all the human law enforcement intelligence is coming from interviews. so it's really a massive data analysis and turning into something that's useful in this case. initially, they had to find out that there was not more than one person involved, right? that it was a single headed dragon. and then the capture or stopping of him. so they manage this, you know, in the technology we are in now, the use of ai, the use of better data analysis, law enforcement is able to manage information better and it's more useful and gives them

quicker information for an outcome like this. >> you know, when it comes to getting him those federal charges and really just, you know, throwing the book at him on this, what are going to be some of the workarounds that lawyers are going to have to get through to make sure those stick? >> i think there's lessons in the past that have been learned, and that is literally to go to the basis of the crime removing ideology. right. he had the they can demonstrate motive and intent, but his ideology or reasons or his motives or trying to force a social change or his opposition to legislation, etc, really clouds the charge and the action of homicide. and so they're going to want that to be the purest, because that's the part that cannot be defeated. they can't risk that, and you can't risk that by trying to convince a jury that this person was motivated because of x, y, and z. so they're going to go to the purity of the homicide case, and then they're going to let

the other stuff fill in the blanks, but not the fact that this individual went to somebody's house, lose their way in murdered people, shot and try to murder other people and engage with law enforcement, and then fled. >> and then had 70 people. additional names on that list. what you're looking at right now is sibley county, minnesota. this is live. these are live images right now. i also want to point out that we are expecting a news conference, and it's supposed to start at 1130 our time. so here in about 23 minutes or so 22 minutes or so. so we're going to bring that news conference to you live as soon as we get that. you know, i was when i was speaking to paul mauro, he described this man as a wannabe. he said, you know, he dressed up as a police officer and then he changed into a cowboy hat. can. is that anything? is that what you're saying when you talk about the ideology and how this man was for them, using that to bring

certain charges. >> you know, when you look at the history of shooters or people that are involved in things like this, and you sort of scrape off all the appearances of they were anti jewish, anti-african-american, anti-islamic, whatever their thing is, that they professed they're the same person as a, as an individual and their motives, and they tend to have very similar traits. now they left breadcrumbs and certainly he did, professing his anger about different things or what his motive was. but again, they're going to fall back on what the primary charges here. and, you know, the thing that we all have to pay attention to as a country, as citizens or whatever, or people are telegraphing their punches with some of this stuff. they do things, they pronounce things on social media. we hear so much of it. it's hard to identify things that are of concern. but, you know, if somebody's seeing these kind of

things, they should report it because it could be tied to other stuff. and really, there is a decent chance that this person is going to go the distance with something as horrific as. >> you know, bernard, bernard, we're just getting this photo. if you look on your screen right now, this is the first photo we're seeing of his arrest when they arrested bolton tonight. like i said, these are the first images we're getting. and then this is a live look at sibley county, minnesota. we're expecting a news conference in 20 minutes or so. i want to go back. actually, no. we have retired. lieutenant, on the phone with us. i'm going to come back to you here in just a moment. but joining us now is retired lieutenant detective for the nutley, new jersey police department, steve rogers. steve, i just want your initial reaction to this news that's coming in. you know, we just got this picture of his arrest, and we're seeing the live pictures video on the left side. what are your thoughts on what has transpired? guys, do

we have steve? well. >> i'm here, steve rogers i'm here. >> okay. here you go. steve. i don't know if you heard me, but i just want to reiterate, i want your your initial thoughts on what's transpired in the last hour or so. >> well, we all know that this was, i believe, excellent police work. they worked very, very hard and they finally captured this individual. however, the one thing that i don't believe has been discussed very much and what i'm worried about are copycats. i mean, you've got some crazy people out there who see things like this going on, and then they get this thought in their mind, and we've seen it from time to time with a lot of these big incidents. so the police have to be concerned about that, not only in that area, but around the country. and the police obviously have to find out why these people, these particular individuals were put on that hit list. a lot of work to do moving

forward. thank god he's off the streets. but i think we have to have a real concern now about somebody else going to think about, well, you know, this individual, look what he did. well, maybe i can do that too. that's a real possibility. >> you know, you talk about these copycats, but how do you how do you prevent something like that from happening? i mean, obviously people need to be on high alert all the time, but in very tense situations like this, especially coming off of this situation, this horrific situation, i mean, what can people do to keep themselves safe? i mean, they were in their homes. >> yes. well, exactly. it's almost impossible to prevent something like this from happening. however, be vigilant. people have to be vigilant. you see something, say something. even if your gut instinct is telling you, look, there's something not right here. now, obviously, people believe that this guy was an actual police officer that was on his job doing a house check or whatever. but now we have to be aware of everything, and i'm hoping i heard something was on

fox the other day, and i think it was a good thing where the police in that area decided that when police come to your door, make sure there are two cops there, and that's something law enforcement is going to have to consider at this point in time. if this issue continues to perpetuate around the country where political people or anybody for that matter is threatened, they're going to have to change their mode of operation and be somewhat more proactive in every police department across this country. this is this is something new. i mean, we've seen a lot of tragic situations around the country, but now we've got a guy decides to impersonate a police officer, has a police car and engages the police after he commits the homicide in the house. and paul moore brought up a very, very good point and a very good question that has to be answered. and i know the police did the best they could, so i certainly am not criticizing them. but how did this guy get away from the police? i'm i'm trying to figure that out. did was there another car? did

somebody pick him up, as paul mentioned earlier, did he have an uber? i mean, whatever the case is, this guy managed to get away from law enforcement and we have to see if part of his plan was someone else. but i'm more worried now. i'm sorry. i'm more worried now about that copycat factor. >> you know, hopefully it's just an instance of the authorities keeping that from the media perspective just so they can, you know, it might come out later. i know that's happened many, many times. just, you know, the less they know the better type situation. but everybody keeps talking about the holes in the story. hopefully more of that will come on. come up later. i want to go back to ted williams for just a second. ted, i want to talk about this photo of bolton being arrested. the man, in my opinion, looks like he has no remorse. ted, can you hear me?

>> i'm here, i'm here. >> yeah. if you look at this photo of bolton, of his arrest that we just got into the newsroom within the last 5 or 10 minutes. in my opinion, it looks like he has no remorse. >> well, it's a very interesting photo, because we know that one of the phone videos at the crime scene, that one of the crime scenes or got a photo of the alleged killer. and if you notice in that photo, the person ran some kind of a complete mask over their face, and it looks as though the person was bald headed. now, when we look at the photo tonight of this arrest of bolton here, we can see that he certainly has hair on his head and he's definitely dressed differently than he was allegedly at those crime scenes. again, as your guests

have said, here we are looking at excellent police work. they work this. we may find out that bolton was in communications with somebody or some bodies. and as a result of that, that could have also led to his arrest quite naturally. what i'm saying is not anything that we actually know. it's somewhat speculative, but they knew that he was in that car. and as your guests have said, it's very interesting. he shoots four people. they think they have him cornered in an area. he gets out of that area, goes all the way to some home where he was staying. and the big question mark is how did he get there? the second question mark is he did actually have another automobile. he gets in that

automobile. and we know that the night law enforcement officers located that automobile. and it's rather interesting that he would leave that cowboy hat in the vicinity of the automobile. i believe that it perhaps, maybe was to try to throw them off of his trail. but you have, without a doubt, excellent law enforcement work here. we're going to learn, hopefully within another 10 or 15 minutes here. when this press conference started, how these law enforcement officers were able to apprehend this man. but as one of your guests has said, you are they did a social media scrub. they knew that he was using a cell phone. they knew that at certain times if or he contacted somebody by that cell

phone, that it probably pinged in one of those cell phone areas. so all of those are the kind of things that brought about good law enforcement here in bringing this man to justice. but the thing about it, more than anything else, this guy thought he was smarter than law enforcement officers. and he thought that by virtue of disguising himself and impersonating a police officer, as one police officer said, if he came into a room full of police officers, the way he was dressed in that police officer uniform at the time of these killings, or they would not have recognized him, he would have looked like one of them. and that was one of my greatest fears that once he went on the run, he was already dressed as a law enforcement officer, and other law enforcement officers were going to come in contact with him and perhaps not even know who he was or at some stage or another. and this is

going to be very interesting. how did he get out of that police uniform? how did he get into these civilian brown or brown clothing that he had on? how did he get that cowboy hat? how did he get the automobile? how did he get to the location and where he was found at? and again, was there anybody actually assisting him or in his flight or all of these things i'm hoping will be answered at this press conference? >> that's exactly what i was going to say. hopefully in the next ten minutes or so, we're going to get more answers as to what happened and what transpired, just, you know, just a little more information than what we have. but i do want to mention before i'm going to go to paul mauro in just a second, but we just got this in. he right now he's facing four counts of second degree murder with intent, not premeditated. paul, can you

break that down for me? what that means and each of these counts i want to mention carry a maximum sentence of 40 years. minimum of three. >> well, so essentially those are the state charges. and we spoke earlier about, you know, what might there be federal charges. and as i said, the federal charges are going to be a little bit of a reach. they're going to have to get the jurisdiction. they're going to have to get charges that fit. terrorism charges are going to be very tough federally to get terrorism charges. pretty much in every case, you have to have some sort of support for a quote unquote, designated foreign terrorist organization. so i'm not seeing that here under the facts that we have. but that doesn't mean that the feds are going to give up on it. they're going to continue to look, because very clearly, donald trump, as president has opined that he'd like to go all the way with this case. that said that said, it does feel more like a state case and it feels more like a homicide case at the state level. the charges that you just outlined would

have him were he to be convicted, and he remains innocent until proven guilty would have him in jail for life. minnesota does not have the death penalty. >> that was my question. >> the landscape. yeah. no they don't. so they haven't had it according to what i just researched since since 1911. so that puts the landscape there as okay, life in prison if and when he is convicted. but i got to go again a little bit further, since you're asking me to speculate and outline this, minnesota does have its own terrorism charges. after nine over 11, a lot of states enacted terrorism charges, and i know i keep going back to that. but you can't ignore the ideological overlay that is embedded in this, the manifesto. it's not a manifesto. from what i understand, it's a hit list, but the hit list has a certain flavor. it seems to be characterized by a particular target type. if the fed if excuse me, if the state prosecutors can demonstrate that his motives were in that bucket, then you have a

different set of charges. but it really doesn't matter because again, minnesota doesn't have the death penalty. so terrorism charges, homicide charges. at the end of the day, you're likely looking at the best you're going to do here in minnesota, which is still a lot. is life in prison. he's never getting out. >> paul, let's talk about this photo, because you were the first person to bring up the fact that your sources were telling you he was arrested in some sort of field or a type of farm or something. and from when they zoomed out in that live shot that we're watching on the left side of your screen here, it looked like it was either a tractor trailer back there or some sort of train, something that might have gone through a field. so you were you were right in that aspect. but i want to talk about something that you also brought up that ted was talking about, with just the changes in this guy's appearance in this photo that we got 15 minutes ago of him being arrested. he's got hair. and the other one, he doesn't he's he's constantly changing his appearance. so talk to us about this photo of

his arrest. >> so that goes to what i was saying earlier about my impression of him being something of a wannabe. you know, there's the photo now that we've all seen of him holding a flashlight, breaking into the house, and he's got that, as you say, the skin mask on where it looks like he's bald and it's obviously a latex overlay. and then now this is him. without that mask on, he looks very different. he doesn't have the ten gallon hat. my impression again is that this is somebody who has done some research, has fantasized himself, has characterized himself in his own mind as something of a security expert or some sort of international man of mystery. his biography on his security firm had him having, quote unquote, deep experience in gaza, lebanon, over here, over there, all these trouble spots around the world. and i just have to say, color me skeptical, because at the same time as he was reporting all of that, he was managing a 7-eleven. and so, you know,

look, i'm there's nothing wrong with managing a 7-eleven. i don't mean to be condescending by any means. it's, you know, it's fine work. it's legal work. there's nothing wrong with that. but that's what he was actually doing. he was also working, apparently at a funeral home. he had a very disparate work history. and if you're sitting where we are trying to put the tea leaves together here, you're trying to read them. you come out with a picture of somebody who seems to be casting around for some level of importance above his station, and it doesn't seem to be working. and then he gets to this point of frustration. he likely has a big ego. and, you know, i'm gonna just mention something else here is which is more confounding in my estimation, is if you look at his his home life, he's got this big house with sculpted grounds. he sold a house, according to, you know, we looked into it. he's got a sale of a house that was well over $700,000. he buys, according to the online records, he buys another house after selling that one north of $500,000.

beautiful grounds. it's the house they did the search warrant on. and you see a flagpole. beautiful grounds. nice big house. he seems to have a lovely family. everybody seems healthy and happy. you really got to wonder what it is that drove him to the point where he felt like he had to lash out like this, in what feels to me like some spasm of ego, >> right, paul, bernard and ted, stay on the line. i'm going to bring in fox news correspondent and anchor griff jenkins to come in on this coverage. hi, griff. >> yeah, actually, you know, as we're learning more about this and i'm just looking into the criminal complaint, as you mentioned, the four counts of second degree, second degree murder with intent, not premeditated. there's an interesting part here, and i'd love to get paul's thoughts on this in the statement of probable cause. it talks about officers searched defendant's vehicle and located at least three ak 47 assault rifles, a nine millimeter handgun, as

well as a list of names and addresses of other public officials. that's quite an arsenal to be located on this individual, which really highlights the sensitive nature of this guy and the threat that he posed, it says. additionally, investigators spoke with a person familiar with defendant who positively identified him as the man on the champlin residence surveillance footage. if we can bring paul back in, paul, what do you make of some of what we're seeing in this criminal complaint? >> well, i haven't seen it, but just off of what you're saying, my first reflex is, thank god for that patrol team, because very often on the midnight, you know, the patrol teams are thin. you don't have as many people working. it looks like a nice bedroom community, and i'm sure they're not used to responding to shots fired jobs in the middle of the night. they go to the first one, and unfortunately, they find the two initial victims who are fortunately going to survive,

apparently. but they had the wherewithal to say we have another sensitive location nearby that tells me they probably knew their sector quite well. these were cops that knew their stuff and they knew. let's go check on the residence now, had they not done that? and we all understand they got there too late and it's really a shame. but that said, had they not done that, you have a guy with all that weaponry which has previously been reported, but now we're getting some of the real details and that level of a hit list. and he's dressed as a cop and he has a police looking car. you're going to get a lot of entry wherever you go, looking like a cop with a police car, god knows who he could have gotten to. and so he was very clearly at the beginning of whatever it is he was going to do. so all i would say, my first blush reaction to that, as i think all of our, our commentators have said is from soup to nuts here, you've had some really good police work with a tough case, because you got to remember when he fled, they might have still thought he was a cop gone rogue. i don't know how much

they knew at this scene. it's the middle of the night. it was probably one, maybe two. i think it was more than one. it was probably maybe two cops handling all of this. and then he disappears back into the house. and, you know, matt and i were talking a little bit and, you know, offline. and if you look at the house, apparently it's riddled with bullets. so they had a real shootout. so he had some heavy weaponry with him and some of the upper story, the upper story of the house that he ran into. the hortman house has indicia of these very big openings, and i don't know what that is. they might have been firing tear gas into there after they put the drone in. and again, i'm just speculating, but very clearly there was some kind of standoff. and that, i think, is how he managed to get away. to answer the question, we're all wondering, i think that's how he got out the back door where he went from. there is a real question. what he did with the uniform is a real question as well. but from what you're saying, griff, i think we're we're all very lucky. and a lot of people on that list are very lucky. lucky that two patrol

cops whose names will probably never know. i think they saved lives. >> yeah. and, you know, it also says in this complaint that officers canvased the surrounding area and located a ballistic vest, a disemboweled nine millimeter firearm, a mask and a gold police style badge. defendant is the listed person purchaser for at least four of the recovered firearms. ted, what do you make of that? >> tells me, as paul is most eloquently said, that this guy was on a killing spree. griff. griff, you and i have covered these kinds of cases for many years for fox. and i can tell you this one here is one that just takes the cake. it is an amazing situation here where a person is in a law enforcement uniform like that. and for other individuals, law enforcement officers to come to the scene, see this individual

exchange shots with him for him to go back into that house, to escape out of that house while he's still in that uniform. and the question again, and griff, what we don't know is when he changed out of that uniform, but that police car that he left there on the scene of at the hausman house after he killed them, allegedly killed them, that police car has treasure trove of information. and griff, some of the stuff that you've already talked about here would have definitely been found in that car. and it tells me one thing. he was hell bent on leaving those homes where these incidents had taken place. and with that list of other individuals, those other law enforcement lawmakers, their lives were clearly, clearly in danger.

>> and, ashley, i think you may have another guest, former fbi special agent, to bring in. >> yeah, i do, griff. we're going to bring in dan bruner. he's, as you said, a former fbi special agent, and he's the ceo of the bruner sierra group. dan, can you hear me? >> yes, i can. >> so i want to talk about this obviously from a federal perspective, as far as what charges you think, just looking at this as what we know right now with your opinion and your expertise, what charges do you think that the feds can get out of this? >> well, i think the feds. >> have a lot that they can look at. they have to analyze, obviously, all the digital data, cellular data, and see if he was conspiring with anybody else over those wires and communicating with anybody else. absolutely. looking at all the other equipment that was in the vehicle. if there are, if he was in the process of possibly impersonating a federal officer, even discussing it, obviously all the firearms are going to have

to be looked at. the obviously the fact of the, the, the act of the murder that could be described as a terrorist attack because he was doing it for an ideology. if that can be proven, it will be difficult, but it would be something that can be investigated. as far as the murder, i think at this point right now, the murder, all the equipment, the impersonating police officer, the attempted murder of other police officers at the scene, those are all the easiest quickly to be able to gather the evidence, produce it and get the indictments and get him charged and then possibly supersede with a federal indictment further down the road. but that that will be yet to be seen. >> and just for just as a forewarning for our forecast, and those of you watching, we're expecting a news conference at any moment. so if i do, if griff or i do interrupt to send you to that news conference, just hold on the line. we will come back and we'll talk about what we hear at this news conference. as you can see, they've got it set up.

it's just a matter of time before they walk up to that podium. and hopefully we learn more information about this situation and this capture. but dan, how closely do you think they're going to look at his wife, and how closely are they looking at her right now? >> they're going to dissect every single part of this man's life, every person he's communicated with. they're going to look at his phone, phone data. they're going to look at every person he's been communicating with. and every single one of those people will be interviewed. i absolutely think that the wife will be absolutely dissected from top to bottom, as she should be, even if she is cooperating or was cooperating is supposedly the reports are coming out, but every single person this individual had, because not only will we be able to see if there were other people that could have raised the flag, but and possible coconspirators. but there's also is a lesson learned. we're seeing a track of lone wolves. we're seeing from the luigi mangione to the shooters in d.c, at the jewish museum, and along the lines of

these lone wolf incidents, we need to learn. we need to understand what is the motivation. where did the pathway to violence begin with this individual? so they're going to go back. they're going to continue backwards until they see where his pathway to violence began and what was what did it trigger? how did he trigger? how did he plan this? so yes, everything every person, coworkers, everybody should be interviewed extensively. and i believe it starts right there with the people that know him, the closest, which is his wife and other family members, coworkers. every single one of them need to be really extensively interviewed to understand where he went off the pathway. >> right. and obviously, this is going to be the first news conference that we're hearing since the arrest of him tonight, within the last hour or so. so how much do you think we're actually how much information do you think they're going to give us tonight? >> i think it's going to be minimal, i think because they don't want to get ahead of themselves, because the worst thing you can do with an

investigation, worst thing you can do, is to start putting too much information out there that is getting ahead of themselves. and that's why when you have a crisis situation, you immediately want to have a press conference. you immediately want to start talking to the to the community and talking to the press. but and i guarantee, you know, all the media will be asking the questions. and i wouldn't be surprised to see, you know, the answer will be, well, this is still an ongoing investigation to most of the questions that are presented at this press conference. it's like i said, it's, you know, very fresh. the evidence is still being processed at the scenes. so to be to provide an answer, to provide details to physical evidence, to digital evidence. and it's all very, very new. we're still, you know, days out of the, the homicides. so i don't think we're going to see that very much. >> and i'm just getting in from our booth. i believe it was the house speaker that sent a note out. the minnesota house

speaker said that they are glad that this nightmare is over, and that this person has been captured. so that is the newest thing coming in to our newsroom about this situation. as i said, if you're just now joining us. we're still waiting for this news conference. it was supposed to start around 1130 eastern time. we're going to bring that to you live as soon as we get someone to walk up to that podium to give us a little more information, i do want to go to retired atf special agent in charge, bernard zapor. bernard, i was just talking to dan about how far they're going to dig into this man's life. they're going to be looking at his wife. they're going to be looking at everything. is there anything you can expand on with what dan said as to how far the feds are going to dig into this and at a state level? bernard. i guess

we don't have bernard anymore. okay, i'm going to go to paul mauro then. paul, can you hear me? >> i can hear you. >> ashley. okay, so i was just talking to dan bernard. he's a former a former special agent about how closely that the feds are going to be looking into his life. is there anything you can expand on that? being a former nypd inspector, you were on the job for a very, very long time. you're still in the know with everything. so what's going to be happening from a state level? >> well, you know, one of the things i did for about half of my career was kind of terrorism work and bringing terrorism cases. and so i can tell you that there's going to be no stone left unturned here. and as a number of our guests have mentioned, they're going to be digging very, very hard into his phone and into his internet platforms, his social media, his e-mails, his texts. and you're going to be looking to

see if there's anybody else out there who could still be a concern. of course, the initial thing here is to make sure that the public is safe. yeah. right now it looks like the threat is mitigated, but we got to make sure that there isn't some unapprehended peace out there that we don't even know about, and that maybe the police don't even know about. is there somebody in another state who has been egging him on, catfishing him? and i'm going to refer to the recent case we had, and we were all on the air about at the fertility clinic in california that made big news. and in that instance, the perp blew himself up. luckily, there was no other loss of life. well, then it turns out that about a week or two later, we get a we get an arrest of somebody who had been apparently allegedly conspiring with that perpetrator. that's how these things can go. you got to it takes a lot of work. you got to drop subpoenas, search warrants. you got to go through this stuff. you got to go through the digital data. it takes analysis. that's detective work these days. a

lot of it is done in cubicles. it's not as it's not as there's plenty of gumshoe work still. but a lot of this stuff these days is in the digital world. and we might not have a complete sort of fulsome picture of this guy's life and how much of a threat he might have represented for weeks. >> you know, paul, i'm going to bring griff jenkins back in. griff, what we're looking at right now is in the corner is the live look of where he was arrested. you've got his arrest photo. and then, of course, we're waiting for this news conference to start, which could start at any moment. but you and i both know how this goes. and as dan said, we might only get minimal information tonight. >> yeah, we might. and we'll take our viewers to that press conference the moment it begins. but, paul, you know, when we talk about motive, one of the things that i think is going to be most interesting, if we get details on it, is that the police found in a vehicle, apparently a list of democrats supporting issues like abortion rights and other liberal causes. but then we've

also learned in reports from from individuals that knew boelter that he wasn't a fan of governor walz, didn't like joe biden. and so it really is kind of a contrast that i think has a lot of questions around it. >> yeah. his political motivations here remain very murky. and that's why all along here, as we've been commenting on the case in previous days, i've kind of been backing off of trying to characterize what might have motivated him, because the pieces that i've been getting are somewhat contradictory. there is definitely in the so-called hit list, a significant portion of abortion related stuff. and yet this person that he was roommates with in the boarding house, in that small house that he shared with a number of people, says that he never really was that involved politically, was not that involved at all with local politicians. and while he was anti-abortion, it didn't seem to be a big issue. so he seems

to be, again, somebody who was casting around for something to give him some level of importance. and i think that when it comes down to motive, when we try to piece together who this guy was and what made him who he became, assuming it's accurate and we all know that it's he's still innocent. but that said, i think that a lot is yet to emerge. and the key here is going to be, as we've been saying, the digital world, but also his family. when you do the backwards scrubs on these and i've done plenty, what you always devolve to is if anybody could have stopped it, it was the brother, the mother, the father, the cousin, the wife. and in this case they have the wife. and apparently she's cooperating. and that's really, i think, where they're going to get to the heart of what went on. >> and what do you make ted williams about, sort of the proximity of where these acts were committed, where the crimes occurred. and here in

sibley county, where he's been apprehended, you know, he didn't flee out of state. >> well, it wasn't griff that he perhaps was not going to flee out of state. i'm sure he was doing all that he could to get away from law enforcement. but but we know that clearly. he was arrested quite a bit away from the scene of these four shootings. and so the big question that i'm hoping while we may get limited information in this presser that's taking place, i am hoping that somebody will ask about accomplices and see what information that law enforcement can give us. we know that in order for him to get out of that dragnet, and when i say the dragnet where

the four individuals were shot, two of them are shot and the other two were killed, that he ran out of the house. sounds good. >> yeah. ted, we're just monitoring here. this press conference is about to get started. any moment it appears they're making some some announcements to the media. let's listen in for a second. >> and then state patrol. colonel geiger. geiger. >> what's his first name? yep. >> i'm sorry. i'll get that for you. >> there's the last one. >> lieutenant colonel geiger from the minnesota state patrol. yep. yes. >> jeremy. >> all right, so that's just the public information officer. they're telling us who we're going to hear from the local officials as it gets underway. with so many unanswered

questions tonight. but obviously, the state politicians, lawmakers there, the house speaker glad that the nightmare is over. indeed, while we wait for this, let's quickly see if we can bring in retired lieutenant detective for the nutley, new jersey police department, steve rogers. steve, are you with us? what's your reaction to the developments? >> i've got to tell you excellent police work, and i'm really pleased that they're are not hesitating on getting information to the public and to the press. they have to calm a lot of nerves out there. as you've mentioned, the people probably want to be absolutely sure there's no one else involved. there are others, i'm sure, that are elected officials who are very, very concerned about the safety not only of themselves but of their family. so i've got to tell you right up to this point, excellent job on the part of the police. but i'm sure now we're going to have a lot of answers to the questions all of us have, and there won't be any answers to some of the

questions we have, because they just haven't had enough time right now to put all the pieces of this puzzle together. >> and, steve, we're looking in the charging documents. we've got four counts of second degree murder with intent, not premeditated. what do you make of that? >> well, i was a little surprised when they was intent without being premeditated. i don't know how they came to that conclusion, but obviously they did. and i hope they explained the reasons why. it seems to me this was a well-planned execution. this guy just didn't wake up in the morning and decide that he was going to go assassinate some people. so maybe down the road they'll find out there was some meditation to it, but they're the lawyers and i can't figure that one out. >> well, and also really puzzling, we were just talking with paul mauro a moment ago about the motive and whether it was politically driven. did it have to do with political issues like abortion? in fact, here we go. this press conference is getting underway.

let's listen in now. >> good evening. after a two day manhunt, two sleepless nights, law enforcement have apprehended vance boulter. that's 48 hours that law enforcement involved in a complex and dangerous manhunt spent father's day away from their families to deliver justice for melissa and mark hortman and their children, who spent this father's day alone. to the law enforcement who stand here and the hundreds who were involved in this, the state of minnesota owes you a deep debt of gratitude. thank you. you ran towards the

danger, and you served the state of minnesota. this is a great example of coordination and collaboration. multiple agencies federal, state and local, coordinating together in a way to protect the public and close this hunt around. multiple agencies were there as fbi laid hands on it, and minnesota state patrol put the handcuffs on. one man's unthinkable actions have altered the state of minnesota. melissa hortman was the core of who our values were. she had a hand in so many things that happened. the building that we stand in, she helped usher through so that we could respond from the state emergency operations center with the professionalism and giving the tools necessary to law enforcement to do their job. to melissa and mark's family. i cannot fathom your pain and the grief that you're going through. we'll take

solace in the memory and the work that melissa did, and you can rest assured that we will put every ounce of effort that the state of minnesota has to make sure that justice is served, and the individual responsible for this serves the time for the unspeakable act. state grieves with you. to john and yvette hoffman, the latest news is senator hoffman came out of his final surgery and is moving towards that, towards recovery. yvette is healing. and i think when the story comes out and i'd like to say on behalf of the state of minnesota, the heroic actions by the hoffman family and their daughter, hope saved countless lives. and we are grateful. bureau of criminal apprehension will continue to investigate. we will keep you informed. we'll spare no expense and no work to make sure that that happens. a moment in this country where we watched violence erupt. this cannot be

the norm. it cannot be the way that we deal with our political differences. now is the time for us to recommit to the core values of this country. and each and every one of us can do it. talk to a neighbor rather than arguing. debate an issue. shake hands. find common ground. this is who melissa hortman was in the first negotiating session that i had a chance to work with her. she got all the partners in the room and she provided each and every one of us a copy of a book called getting to yes. and the whole premise was debating with a sense of goodwill, a sense of trying to come to compromises that serve everyone. and because of her, we did that. because of her. we did that year after year after year. that's the embodiment of how things are supposed to work. it's not about hatred. it's not about mean tweets. it's not about demeaning someone. it's leading with grace and compassion and vision

and compromise and decency. that was taken from us in minnesota with the murder of speaker hortman. so for each and every one of us to truly honor and we will we will continue to honor that spirit, but we will need to do it in just more than actions in a memorial, conducting ourselves in the spirit that melissa hortman did her work is what the country needs to heal. i will once again say the deep debt of gratitude. these professionals standing behind us, and countless others. this was, you'll hear from them, incredibly complex. and to take the suspect in with no loss of life or injuries to civilian population, and to bring him in alive so he can serve justice, which he will do in minnesota, is an incredible thing that we are grateful for. with that, i'm going to turn it over to the professionals, starting with commissioner of public safety for the state of

minnesota, bob jacobson. thank you. >> good evening. it's good to see you all here tonight. thank you for coming in. my name is bob jacobson. i'm the commissioner of public safety. and again, it's my honor to serve in that position. first of all, i want to thank all the law enforcement agencies that have been working tirelessly over the past two years since the shooting at senator hoffman's home, the coordination between state, local and federal law enforcement partners is the reason we are here tonight. and the suspect is in custody. boulter exploited the trust. our uniforms are meant to represent. that betrayal is deeply disturbing to those of us who wear the badge with honor and responsibility. we want to thank community members across the state for their support, for their tips and

their information. and i want to thank governor walz for his continued support through this very difficult time. with that, i will pass this off to superintendent drew evans of the bca. thank you. >> well, good evening, everyone. my name is drew evans. i'm superintendent, the minnesota bureau of criminal apprehension, as is noted and was previously described, and the vance bolter was taken into custody in sibley county. we were with you earlier today when we provided information about the manhunt and the myriad of law enforcement that have come together, working in partnership so that this evil cannot be continued. the first step in a case like this is that we take him into custody, and then the work will continue and begin to make sure that we have all the evidence we need to ensure that he is held accountable for his crimes.

please bear with me, but i think it's important because it has been noted by the governor. just to give you some background on the teams that were down there, and i may even be missing some in terms of this, because there were law enforcement partners, not just from the twin cities, but across the state of minnesota that came together from the brooklyn park police department, the tri-cities swat team, eagan police department, burnsville police department, our south metro swat team, the fbi, atf, united states marshal service, state patrol, washington county sheriff's office, ramsey county sheriff's office, the richfield police department, saint paul police department, bloomington police department, sibley county. we had riverview medics, green isle fire department and lifelink in the area in addition to prior lake, crow river, swat, and the hennepin county sheriff's office. and again, i may have been missing and i apologize to my partners for that, that we do that i share all of that for you, because that's the commitment. when this sort of evil is in

one of our communities, that law enforcement comes together to put all of their resources together, to make sure that that person is taken into custody. that is so that people across the state of minnesota and legislators that were targeted in these attacks, and that may have been listed, can breathe a sigh of relief as quickly as possible. as we came together in an incredibly complex set of circumstances in that he was arrested, as you saw earlier this evening in the area of 35, 600 block 35, 600 block of 200 street, green isle. what happened in that is, as we noted, there was a manhunt going throughout the day in that area that we've discussed previously, and there was information provided that he was seen in the area. when that information was provided to the investigators that were conducting the ground search, they converged on the area with a number of swat teams, with the assistance of the airwing from minnesota state patrol. and we'll provide a few more

details about the end of getting into custody in a little bit. but he was taken into custody at that time. he is in custody. and a reminder for anybody that was not when we previously said that taken into custody under a state criminal warrant, that information will be made public if it is not already detailing the complaint that he is charged in the cases at this time with the murders of speaker hortman and her husband, mark hortman. also with the shootings in john hoffman and yvette hoffman for those crimes and we'll be moving forward. we are also in contact with our federal partners, both the fbi, united states attorney's office, who are examining whether or not additional charges should be brought at the federal level related to this, at this time, there is a lot of investigation that continues, and i'm going to turn it over to chief bruley to provide some comments on this and the work. i just want to tell, certainly for the communities of champlin, city of brooklyn park, you both have

incredibly professional police departments that work day in and day out tirelessly in this situation to bring justice and work towards that, not only for the families and the loved ones and the community that are impacted, but for the entire state of minnesota. and our teams are incredibly proud to work alongside them and all the law enforcement partners. and so with that, i will turn it over to chief burley for some comments on this, and the work will continue in partnership with them and others moving forward. chief. >> good evening. i'm police chief mark bruley, brooklyn park police department. just a few comments. one, i'm very proud to tell you that we took the suspect into custody. who is responsible for this? that was within 43 hours of the incident. there's no question that this is the largest manhunt in the state's history. just down at the scene where he was taken to custody, there was 20 different swat teams over a extremely large area, hunting this individual down to take him into custody. i believe

that the state of minnesota, and certainly the city of brooklyn park, should be extremely proud of the police officers within the city of brooklyn park. but the partnerships that we had are unprecedented between the federal agents, the county, the locals and others around. it is absolutely an incredible task. what went on? essentially, the brooklyn park police department was turned over into an operation center, and that's all that hundreds of detectives worked on tirelessly for 43 hours. so while this is come to some conclusion where we've made an arrest, there is a ton of work that needs to be done. so i encourage community members if there's evidence, information or other things, please continue to feed that information to the brooklyn park police department so that we can fully investigate this and present a complete case to both the federal jurisdiction and the hennepin county attorney's office. with that, i'll turn it over to the state patrol. >> good evening everyone. my name is jeremy geiger. i'm the.

>> lieutenant colonel with the minnesota state patrol, the assistant chief for the minnesota state patrol, along with countless other partners, were responsible for this arrest. the collaborative effort. i cannot stress enough how outstanding that was, helped ensure the suspect's arrest did not result in the injury of any law enforcement that was down there and in the area. we had special response teams on the scene near 200 streets in sibley county. several partner law enforcement swat teams positioned to form a perimeter at that point in time. the state patrol also provided the air support that was talked about earlier today. the suspect crawled to law enforcement teams and was placed under arrest. at that point in time, there was no use of force by any member of law enforcement that was out there, and the suspect was taken into custody without any use of force. thank you. >> with that, we will open it up for a few questions. reminder please introduce yourself, your organization. if you have a question for one of

the specific individuals, please feel free to point that out as well. >> thank you. i spoke with abc news. can i ask anyone up here who can speak to it? did the suspect make any mistakes that you feel like led to his eventual capture? >> you know, the question is, were there any key mistakes? we certainly at this point, there's a lot of information we can't share right now in this. what i will tell you is there is some incredibly dedicated law enforcement personnel, criminal intelligence analysts that were out working day in and day out working together. and what i will tell you is that that the public certainly is always of assistance to us in law enforcement and incredibly diligent people in the area that provided us the assistance that we needed to get our teams that were already down there, that last piece over. but they were certainly in the area and working diligently together on that. >> what's going to be one at a time, guys. >> do you have any indication that anyone hel