Skip to main content

tv   Hannity  FOX News  May 2, 2010 9:00pm-10:00pm EDT

9:00 pm
the first time ♪ ♪ anticipating your every thought intoxicating me with your love ♪ >> it was made up of consumer grade fireworks you can buy in pennsylvania and driy into new york and the wiring was nothing that looked amateurish i think was a nice way to phrase it. when three propane tanks and two containers of gasoline and it certainly could have exploded and made a big fire and a decent amount of explosive impact. >> the back seat of the vehicle were twofold five gallon red plastic gasoline containers. between them was a 16 ounce cans filled with between 20 and 30 m 88 devices. two clocks on the back eat floor of the vehicles were connected
9:01 pm
with wires to that can and possibly the gun locker as well. the nypd bomb squad used an explosive charge to reach the gun locker to contain 8 bags of an unknown substance as well as an inverted metal pot with a birds nest of wires and m 88 fire washinger -- crackers. we are working with the environmental of protection to further identify the bags bags. >> this is a city of 4.8 million people and people should go about their business. if you see something strange you should call 191 and turn it over to the professionals. that's what happened here. >> we are examining a video that shows a white male in his 40s in schubert alley looking back in the direction of west 45th street. he was seen with a dark colored shirt with a red one underneath.
9:02 pm
he put the darker one into a bag that he was carrying. this happened about a half block from where the vehicle was pulled. >> it's too soon to tell who was responsible, who and what groups were responsible. so every possible examination is being done of the device but also forensics. >> act of terrorism? >> certainly looks that way. certainly looks as if it was intended to be that way. >> although we have not yet determined whether the times square car bomb is linked to any specific terrorist organization we worked closely with the fbi through the joint terrorist task force in this case. the bomb maker claimed on the internet that the car bomb was placed in times square to avenge the deaths of mudadeen fighters we have no evidence to support the claim. >> i got off the phone with
9:03 pm
mayor bloomberg to make sure they and federal officials are coordinating. we took eerie step necessary to assure our state and local partners have the full support and cooperation with the federal government. >> it is a reminder new york is a target of people who want to come here and do us harm. >> you are looking live at the actual surveillance photographs taken at exactly 6:28 saturday evening of the nissan path finder fitted with tinted windows and jam packed withlet that will tar go of gasoline and all of it wired to a cluster of fireworks and intended to detonate a gigantic and huge explosion. we are live and at large in times square, new york and as we speak a nationwide manhunt of
9:04 pm
unprecedented d dimensions of a man who would commit mass murder. the driver of the path finder carrying connecticut plates borrowed or stolen from another vehicle who brought his rolling bomb here to the krotz rose of the world with wicked intention of slaughtering as many innocent people as possible. the streets at that hour were packed as they are now. nearby restaurants and businesses crowded as theater goers gathering around in butchersville had the device ignited would have been horrific in this what i think is the worst terror attack in new york city since the 9-11 bombings that changed the world. over the corpses of the next two hours we will bring i team coverage and potential terror in times square. david lee miller has been on the scene since early this morning. david, new yorkers are used to
9:05 pm
almost everything, but i think even this has caused a gasp. you were here this early morning describe what you saw? >> i was here this morning and one of the things we got soon after dawn was new york city police came in here almost 10 hours after this attempted spoiled terror attack and removed the nissan path finder suv took it away on a flatbed truck covered on a yellow truck i was here at sunset when that area began to once again return to normal. thousands of tourists here in the streets. as you mentioned the thing that struck me perhaps more than anything else is the resiliency of new yorkers how much this area changed in just 24-hours. the bottom line is what a difference a day can make. >> at the corner of 45th street and 7th avenue it is business as usual tonight. the streets clouded with tourists and new yorkers but a little more than 24-hours ago a different scene. this specific spot, this is where the suv nissan path finder
9:06 pm
was parked. the vehicle loaded with an incendiary device. this time last night this entire area sealed off a ghost town under orders of the new york city police department, the marriott hotel across the street was not permitted to allow visitors to stay in some of the rooms, many of the guests had to sleep here on the streets. to tonight new york city police are here they are monitoring the situation but also keeping a low profile. there are cameras in place. dozen of cameras closely monitoring what is unfolding in times square and often on the center island here a lock from 42nd street a sign telling people there are nypd security cameras in place. most people don't seem to mind. but it is those cameras that could very well make all of the difference in this ongoing investigation. authorities have showed us still frames from the surveillance video. one thing we have not yet seen
9:07 pm
is a videotape obtained by the new york city police department. a videotape authorities say showed the individual soon after the attempted attack took place in a nearby alley trying to change his clothes to change his appearance. not clear if that was the suspect. another videotape at this hour ray kelly said his detectives were on their way to pennsylvania wanted to talk to a man who was a tourist this individual claiming at least while here at night he may have captured on his home video camera pictures of the suspect. forensics kiev den sha ks -- ke evidentiary evidence. >> there are tens of thousands of people in the cross hairs of the world every other person has a flip camera. you can image what a wealth of data and information must be in all of these home videos and
9:08 pm
home movies. we will talk more about that and about the 40ish year old white male that connects 45th a45th - street. we are in the heart of the theater district. as with the failed underwear bombing of the airliner, you remember last christmas the fact that the device did not ignite is a blessing that keeps on giving in this case that is leaving behind a vast treasure trove of forensic evidence. to whom does it point? joining me is cath ridge heritage in dc. katherine, does it seem to you not similar to that failed nightclub attack a couple of years ago an the glascoe in scotland? >> that's an interesting point to start with. i was speaking to a number of
9:09 pm
investigative sources the key thing is there is such a wealth of forensic evidence i was told they were able to get dna evidence as well as hair samples. some of the things they are looking at early on is whether this attempt mirrors attempts overseas. you are looking at incidents in 2007. one was at a london nightclub in that case the bomb did not detonate. we have gas canisters and propane canisters. the glascoe bombing this was a car bombing. a vehicle born improvisive explosive device. we had propane tanks at that. we had gas tanks. you can see what kind of an impact you can have when there is a detonation. you are looking at if there is any connecticonnection, but it'
9:10 pm
preliminary. >> thank you very much. we are joined right now by one of my favorite congressman pete king of long island. he is out there right now he is the ranking member of the house intelligence committee and bo deedle former hero cop. i am standing on 47th street -- 46th street congressman. they call it little brazil. the next block up is where the car was. beyond that is viacom. we drove to comedy central which runs to south park which runs prophet mohammed and had death threats their way. congressman king do you believe that's a possibility? commissioner kelly could not exclude it from the list. >> yeah, i think this is something the police are looking into. a number of other things they are looking into that is one of them. after the press made after
9:11 pm
several weeks. that's one of a number of possible motives possible threats. it could end up being something entirely different. but that's one of the things they would be looking at. along with a number of others. >> detective bo deedle they called it amateurish initially. doesn't seem amateurish to me wires connecting to gasoline and propane tanks and probably fertilizer. >> it didn't go off. things started popping. you can't call anything amateurish. what was in that truck could have killed a lot of people. we have to realize this is new york city and we are the target. we are always going to be a target. the great treasure chest here is it didn't go off. you have fingerprints and dna they are going to catch this guy. greg kelly gave a news conference and answered every question that was out there. i know they are going to make an arrest soon on this.
9:12 pm
what was the motive? it could be the viacom comedy central thing. we had mayday yesterday with the immigrati immigration. you are going to see this will be a loaner that wanted to kill a lot of people for a statement. >> don't you blame hispanic people, dave. >> no, what i am saying is you have to look at what the motive is. >> i know, beau. i want to bring you into the panel. congressman king thank you for coming out on a sunday night. if you can stand by i appreciate it. ladies and gentlemen, for the next two hours we are probing every wrinkle in this case, every corner of this case. if that's an arrest made before we are off the air we will bring that to you. we will be back in a flash from times square, new york.
9:13 pm
9:14 pm
♪ [ male announcer ] experience fast in all its forms. the is line. at your lexus dealer. [ speaking native language ] [ moans ] [ speaking native language ] ♪ [ speaking native lauage ] [ male announcer ] doctors have been saying it forever. let's take a look. [ male announcer ] but they've never actually been able to do it like this. let's ke a look. [ male announcer ] v-scan from ge healthcare. a pocket sized imaging device that will help change the way doctorsee patients. that's better health for more people. ♪
9:15 pm
>> the odds are high it could be a loan wolf. could it be a terrorist organization possibly? probably not. could it be a loan wolf who has
9:16 pm
the ideology and is doing it on his own? possibly. could it have been someone else who didn't have terrorist ideology at heart but might have been just as well. but given the nature of the explosion and given the chat there was no chatter on the line it is preliminary this was not part of any terrorist plot in al qaeda or another known terrorist organization. >> all right. that of course the senior senator from new york chuck schumer but congressman pete king do you buy that loan wolf theory. >> they have spoken in washington not taken the claims seriously from the taliban in pakistan. the same thing back in september people thought sgl zazi was jus
9:17 pm
loan wolf he was tied into an al qaeda operation there. this could be a home grown group of terrorists. considering what we have gone through in the last 8 and a half years i wouldn't exclude anything especially bh it comes to al qaeda. >> joining bo deedle and me in times square kt mcfarland former deputy secretary of defense and former fbi investigator next to bill is detective lieutenant sergeant steve rogers of the nutley new jersey cops a 15 year veteran of the anti-terror nypd. it is coming there tomorrow. >> ahmadinejad president of iran is in new york now. they are addressing new york tomorrow about the nuclear
9:18 pm
weapons. maybe it's a coincidence maybe it's not. it is somebody who will talk about the danger of nuclear weapons at the same time they are building nuclear weapons at home. >> that car could easily as soon as they get the technology something more bang than gasoline and fertilizer. >> the fact there there was a metal box, if you wanted a dirty bomb it is easy to make one of those. i teach a course at mit about it it could easily have contained any kind of radiological device. you could have had a dirty bomb. this area for 50 to 100 years would have been uninhabitable. >> if it had been a dirty bomb. what a nightmare scenario that would have been. >> what good coordination at the local state and federal level. president all over it mayor all over it. commissioner kelly very confident. are you satisfied with doing
9:19 pm
everything you can? >> with the first responders who showed up on the corner one block north of us to what's going on now joint task force looking at leads all over the country and looking at the forensic education. in this case there's a plethora of forensic education. a couple bombings, there was evidence blown apart. it took us weeks and almost years to put some of that together. in this case nothing was damaged from the standpoint i believe this case will be made partially on the forensic quality. >> they have given a lot of credit to the eyewitnesss who alerted the cops but steve if that thing is blown when he lit the fuse or hit the button this would be a tragic aftermath. >> what we learned is how vulnerable our cities are any time any city anywhere on this planet somebody could do what this terrorist did. >> luck helps also, ladies and gentlemen.
9:20 pm
remember that thing did not go off. if it had, we would all be singing a very sad song tonight. stand by, we will be right back live from times square. [ children laughing ] suitcase? huh? ♪ where gummy bears hide? under the seat. look! ye! ♪ [ telephone rings ] [ male announcer ] the all new chevy equinox. [ man ] guess who? dad! [ man ] enjoy the trip! okay, daddy! [ laughter ] [ male announcer ] a consumers digest best buy. with a 100,000 mile powertrain warranty. it takes you farther... and brings you closer. with a 100,000 mile powertrain warranty. boss: come on in, i had some other things you can tell people about geico - great claims service and a 97% customer satisfaction rate. show people really trust us. gecko: yeah right, that makes sense. boss: trust is key when talking about geico. you gotta feel it. why don't you and i practice that with a little exercise where i fall backwards and you catch me. gecko: uh no sir, honestly... uh...i don't think...uh...
9:21 pm
boss: no, no. we can do this. gecko: oh dear. vo: geico. fifteen minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance. vo: geico. fifteen minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance. can you believe how fast kids grow these days? and since 90% of bone strength is developed before adulthood... it's so important that they get enough calcium every day. that's why there's new danonino. danonino! unlike leading kids yogurts, danonino has twice the calcium of milk, ounce per ounce, with vitamin d. so it's power packed for healthy growth. and its rich creamy taste is... yummy!
9:22 pm
so they can start building strong bones today... for stronger bodies tomorrow. new danonino from dannon. power packed to help kids grow.
9:23 pm
9:24 pm
>> the footage we have shows believes the vehicle entering west 45th street between broadway and 8th avenue at approximately 6:28 p.m. two minutes later a t-shirt notified a mounted police officer there was a car filling with smoke parked on the southwest corner of 45th street and broadway. after circling the vehicle on horse back the officer radioed for additional assistance. he and four additional police officers kept civilians away from the vehicle as the fire
9:25 pm
department and bomb squad responded to the scene. >> back live in times square you were looking south at times square. you are looking to 45th street where the nissan path finder was left with the hazard lights on the engine running, the guy running scurrying it may be -- pan around. it may be the 40ish year old white guy who changed from a white shirt to a red shirt. keep going around. above our guests where it says the sign from one of our rivals over there right under that blue fin restaurant. nobody watches that one anyway. blue fin restaurant where mayor bloomberg took one of the hero tops out to dinner tonight. craig, brother craig has just interviewed an explosives expert on exactly what that device would have wreaked had it detonated. here is craig. >> geraldo, nypd is still interviewing street vendors
9:26 pm
asking them questions about the attempted car bombing which occurred right on this street corner. security experts are talking about the type of device that was used. chris, tell me about the device that was in this car? >> smaller parts it looks as though it was a combination of propane cylinder and gasoline with fireworks. the home depot ingredients with the composition of this device. >> he says while this crude bomb may not have caused catastrophic damage like ied's seen in iraq and afghanistan, it was potentially lethal. >> it had lethal qualities had it caught on fire there's a lot of gasoline and propane. it didn't have the ability to create a dramatic explosion. >> former secret service but you know about these types of investigations. where will the nypd where will the fbi go in looking for the
9:27 pm
perpetrators of this bombing. >> the question is the vehicle id exists in many places on a car. did they remove all of the bins or are there traces of what the background of the vehicle is. >> you have in this area many areas where there are cameras, surveillance am kau sz looking down on this particular spot and you are rounding areas. will that video come into play? >> it is not particularly help in in stopping a crime but helpful in solving it. in this area it's saturated with videos. >> sometimes square is an obvious target you have new year as eve and millions of people lining the street here. why would they pick this spot for this particular cli particu bomb? >> assuming it worked it would be a spectacular event. >> terrorists have been attempting to duplicate spectacular events like the 9-11 attack. in spring, 2008 another attack
9:28 pm
was thwarted when police arrested naji as sglaz zi who tried to dead nate a memo made bomb in the subway system on behalf of the taliban. >> terror is the idea. they want to inflict fear on americans right now. tal began and back stan is trying to take credit for them. what say you? >> i don't know. it's easy to take credit for it once the event occurred but if this is all they can do, if this is the worst we see in the u.s. from a very organized and determined adversary i think it's sort of good news. >> chris, with all of the security cameras, with the fact that the forensic evidence is in tact, the bomb didn't go off, what's the likelihood of catching this bomber? >> i image very high. this is not a very sophisticated group. >> everyone is saying the odds are very high we are going to
9:29 pm
catch him, craig. from their lips to god's ears. >> absolutely. it's just like the vigilance of the street vendors to alert the police to the car is smoking, it's also going to take the vigilance of the public to look at the video when it is eventually released to help the police find this guy. we hope to see the perpetrator in the videos. >> commissioner kelly told me to my face they have the video of the guy. they are sorting through it. i don't know maybe they are seeing if any one knows who is in the crowd before they release it to the public. >> if you listen to commissioner kelly he gave a great interview. he started an initiative with cameras they are locked up. we don't have it here yet. he said one problem, money. this cries out to washington senators and congressmen tomorrow should demand more money to our at this here because we are the target. everyone has to realize that.
9:30 pm
>> the other thing that's fascinating -- >> if this would happen in london there would be cameras every where there would be 50 pictures of this guy. we are the number one target and we don't have it. >> bill daily, it seems to me when you look at the totality of the evidence the commissioner as frank as he was in beau's word at the press conference was still pretty cagey when i asked him if they had an idea of who this guy was. >> i think geraldo part of the investigative technique is making sure you hold back certain key elements of the evidence. when you start interviewing suspects or if someone comes forward and takes claim for this are they going to ask a specific question to see whether or not they had involvement in this case. as much as he was being frank i am sure there are elements being called very close to the best. >> i will get to you in a second. stand by ladies and gentlemen a special two-hour live reporter or in times square continues. [ male announcer ] over the past 50 years, toyota has been proud to be a model of quality car making.
9:31 pm
but recently, the safety of our cars and trucks has come under question. and at toyota, is is something we don't take lightly. that's why we're maki fundamental changes inside our company, to communicate with customers better, and respond to their needs faster. addition, we're currently spending over a million dollars an hour to enhance the technology and safety of our vehicles. the result? our comprehensive star safety system is now standard on every vehicle we make. ♪ don get us wrong, we know actions speak louder than commercials. but just know, your safety will contito be a top priority in any, and all of our decisions. ♪
9:32 pm
9:33 pm
thanks to new pampers cruisers with dry max. ♪ hey!! [ female announcer ] they're not just 20% thinner... ♪ they're also 2 times drier. ♪ ♪ hey!! [ female announcer ] it's next generation dryness. ♪ new cruisers with dry max. so playtime never ends. only from pampers.
9:34 pm
>> we dodged a bullet and possibly a significant bullet that would have had immediate effects on me that i was right askros the street. even if one of the propane tanks th had exploded the glass in and much itself would have probably injured a number of people. >> okay back live everybody. lia mains of lexingtlexington, kentucky, you missed the derby much you were here yesterday and today. where were you when that happened? >> we were right about 100 yards from the vehicle. had it exploded it would have been dead. >> describe what you saw? >> we did see some smoke. we were there before the smoke the car was there and we were there before the smoke. then smoke started coming out of the car. we thought it had a radiator problem we didn't know it had explosives. >> when did you hear that was happening? >> after we went down from the
9:35 pm
shop we went back from a broadway show and what happened was the police started to block everything off. i said i have to get to my show? do you want to blow up? can't you see this is a serious situation? maybe the car over heed -- over heated now there's a fire. a car might blow up. we had no idea. afterwards we realized my husband and i were 100 yards away. >> did you go to the show? >> yeah, we did. it was great. >> what did you see? >> little night music. >> enjoy the rest of your trip. i apologize on behalf of the city of my birth but at least the cops did a good job and nothing blew up. >> take a look at this. can you get a shot of this? >> this is the potential -- this is the car going across from right to left on 35th street
9:36 pm
this is the 805th radius which some estimate would have been the throw range of the harp nell if that proep pane gas tank and all of the rest of the metal inside that nissan path finder had blown. although they said it was an incendiary fireball event, you know how mooney people were in in circle people likely awe -- lia main tens of thousands across the world. to say we dodged a bullet is not saying enough. >> we dodged a bullet. what we have here is the need -- the necessity. mayor bloom derring said it all, now is not the time to cut funding. more boots on the ground. busiest intersection on the face of the earth. teach people what to catch out for. >> kevin barry joins us the
9:37 pm
former bomb squad guy along with our dr. michael baden. come on kev and michael. come on do badbaden. what about this bomb? >> it functioned but it's low warded. >> it did function? >> it did function. but it did not function as designed. the improvised detonate tore ignited the low explosive powder but fail to do create enough energy to cause a detonation. >> have you ever heard -- i have asked this -- have you ever heard of somebody attempting to use fireworks in this case the m 88's are less powerful the cherry bombs of my youth now outlawed widely. that's the closest here. have you ever heard of someone trying to use a fire work as a detonate tore? >> yeah, this has gunpowder in it so it could be used as a detonate tore. what happened in this case and the scary part to me together with the shoe bomber and the
9:38 pm
underwear bomber in this case the detonating devices didn't work. that's how we dodge the bullets. if the detonative devices started to be made better we are going to be in a l a lot of trouble. >> kt mcfarland if it also indicates god forbid there's a terror organization they are down getting the most incompetent low functioning creeps to do their dirtywork. >> if this is al qaeda, this is a guy who dot a d in the al qaeda bomb making class. he really didn't know what he was doing. what it does do is shows you this could happen. obviously the good news is everybody was alert the nypd was great, but the nypd is trained to do this. what if this happened in cleveland or los angeles where they are not as trained they don't look for this they are not as up to stuff as they are in new york city. >> i am not chauvinistic about
9:39 pm
my hometown but i feel a sense that there's a great big cross hair on the back of new york city and with all due respect to cleveland i also love -- my wife is from cleveland it doesn't have the same pizazz as the perpetrator's point of view. >> what if we try khalid shaikh mohammed in lower manhattan it means is something like this is an opportunity -- new york is already a target. if you have the other impetus to go after new york you would have these things every week if you have a year long trial in manhattan. it's not just keeping the terrorists safe but the rest of new york safe. >> i disagree with that. i think the nut jobs need any kind of motivation they dream up. it could be they have a mother in law they don't like. who knows. who know where is this will end up. >> tell me more respectly why
9:40 pm
the device didn't detonate? >> we know there were two timing circuits with two clocks one they said led to the large container. it may have been one was an arming device which is a count downtimer. it's safe to move while it's in the vehicle. the second timer takes over after the device is armed. that's a count downtimer. it's not the first time somebody in new york trying to deliver and i am pro advised explosive device hit one of our fine potholes and caused it to detonate accidentally. >> it's not the first. >> if you are going to go to all of that trouble -- i just came back from afghanistan. in afghanistan they use a nine-bolt battery for a detonate tore that seems to work every dam time one of our vehicles rides owe it -- over it. why didn't they spend another 2 bucks on the nine volts? >> they can't obtain them in our country because it's owe well controlled in our government. >> i think that that is a very
9:41 pm
good point. i also think beau that the fact that there was fertilizer in there but only 70 pounds of it i think the guys that sell the ammonium nitrate in this country after timothy mcveigh are hip on not selling it. >> they are aware of that. it's a concentration can form an explosion. when we are talking about people who have their hands on real explosives over there and they are trained fully trained. that is all they do is blow things up. obviously he didn't know what he was doing. thank god he didn't know what he was doing. >> you have forensics over there and hair. >> there's a treasure trove of pho forensic ef, fingerprints, dna, hairs, fibers. they are going to catch this guy pretty quick and the security cameras. one of the things it shows is how important it is to get taxi drivers, vendors to be part of the eyes and the ears of the police department whatever
9:42 pm
strategies there are. and that's the guy who found it. >> that's the guy who found it. vendors, cab drivers, any one who works with the public. tour guides. you see something, asomething, let me take a quick break. we will be back live terror in times square continues. can you believe how fast kids grow these days? and since 90% of bone strength is developed before adulthood...
9:43 pm
it's so important that they get enough calcium every day. that's why there's new danonino. danonino! unlike leading kids yogurts, danonino has twice the calcium of milk, ounce per ounce, with vitamin d. so it's power packed for healthy growth. and its rich creamy taste is... yummy! so they can start building strong bones today... for stronger bodies tomorrow. new danonino from dannon. power packed to help kids grow.
9:44 pm
why are my numbers all over the place? are you looking for answers?
9:45 pm
the accu-cheiva syst now has new tools to helpou discover what your numbers mea and how the things you do are connected to your blood sugar patterns. [ michelle ] with this tool i can see how food and the time of day affect mnumbers. i discovered how to wake up feeling great. [ male announcer ] disver the accu-cheaviva system and save with a prescription discount card. start your discovery today.
9:46 pm
>> doing a fantastic job. every day they keep their demeanor what a job they did clearing this place out yesterday. an evacuation. ten he's of thousands of people nobody got hurt. the commissioner of police ray kelly gave a comprehensive press r conference. fox 5 in new york an all time colleague of mine. while you are here in times square i understand you see police activity where you are. >> geraldo i was standing 20 feet from where the suv the bomb that didn't go off is right behind me there. tonight i saw a number of new york city police detectives guys who have been in this hot weather. canvassing the area might find merchants who have more
9:47 pm
surveillance video. see that possible suspect the commissioner talked about. >> have you heard if there are any closer it seemed to me from the tone of the commissioner's remarks today he was getting closer going along a logical progression and he was in the offing. what do you think? >> i have to tell you a i agree with you we got a lot of information from the fingerprints and vin number. they know the plates were not stolen. the police commissioner said that. the source told me that plate was given to somebody to dispose of. that was done in connecticut. they are getting a lot of information they have detectives all over the place. the security expert said he believes within 24-hours they are going to have somebody to announce. >> thank you very much. sheriff jerry of new jersey 15 year veteran with the feds and
9:48 pm
nypd. sheriff you got your bomb squad guys here. what are your assessments of what the device consisted of. >> you have to look and hear people saying it's amateurs. when you have that type of explosives and you are in an area like this it's no longer an amateur a bomb is made to explode and the devastatidevast. the components of detonation. >> guys, how are you doing? thanks for coming. i want to say mutual friend bernie kerik former commissioner is watching right now. did you ever hear of any one using firecrackers, m 88's or m 80s to detonate something bigger? >> no, i haven't heard of that before. tr trying to compromise that container. >> wouldn't it have detonated
9:49 pm
the gas. if the gas goes isn't the propane at risk once they get the bag from the propane you got the fertilizer ak sell rapts that's a pretty big bank. >> you get the fuel going get enough heat you probably would have compromised the propane with the heat building up the pressure with the propane. as far as heading off that the ammonium nitrate i don't think they would have set it off. >> what if he cracks the propane can? >> to get the fireball that's possible, yes. compromise the propane can that's possible, yes. >> any theories? >> what he said you have to get the heat going pretty good to compromise those tanks. that's pretty much the only thing that would have set it off. >> that's the amateur aspect. >> how troubling sheriff is it that this stuff is available at any home depot? >> that's where the problem the fact that these can be homemade bombs. homemade bombs are just as devastating as a professional
9:50 pm
bomb made in a laboratory. >> i have seen it in iraq a and afghanistan. >> the fact that the firecrac r firecrackers are there may be the part that's amateur. the other components of the gas cylinders exploding would have been catastrophic in this area. we had a 20 pound tank like that two tanks in a car with the heat. >> bunch of people died in brooklyn. we will be right back. thanks sheriff. we will be right back. times square. we are live terror in the crossroads in the works. to get r for a night where everyone gets just what they want. combine two or three favorites, from new creations like crab-stuffed shrimp and pecan-crusted shrimp to classics like decadent shrimp scampi. it's everything you want in a night out. starting at just $11.99, during the festival of shrimp.
9:51 pm
right now at red lobster.
9:52 pm
announcer: there's an easier way. create your own business site with intuit websites. just choose a style, then customize, publish and get found. sweet. get a 30-day free trial at
9:53 pm
9:54 pm
>> you are looking live at some of the thousands of people who are out on the balmy summer like spring evening here in times
9:55 pm
kwar square in new york. we are live and at large as the folks waive to their friends at home. if nilling the square is more packed than it was yesterday. right now as i move back into our fox news studios which are right around the corner on 47th street craig is back with one of the heroes of this event one of the crucial eyewitnesss that plus my exclusive interview with police commissioner ray kelly right now. first here is craig. >> there are numb ruse sur -- n surveillance cameras but there's nothing like an eye witness to blow the whistle and call the cops. duane jackson is a vietnam veteran. he contacted the police when he saw the car smoking just across from his cart where he sells handbags. duane tell me what happened? >> it was about an hour and a half or hour and 15 minutes
9:56 pm
before the 8:00 show. the place was packed. as i was standing here i happened to turn in back of me and i saw the car parked there and there was the keys in the car and the car was running. i routinely walked over to it to take a look at it and to see who's car it was because it needed to be moved. >> initial concerns, what drew the red flag? >> the bus is turned and it was obstructing traffic from the bus flow. when i got over there a couple of other officers two of the mounted police that showed up three of the young ladies who were behind me were new york city police officers on patrol here they showed up and asked me if it was my car. i said no one of the beat cops that i had been knowing for five years said duane did you see who got out of the car? i said no i didn't. didn't see anything and then the smoke started. we heard a little pop, pop, pop, pop and something like a firecracker or something went off in the back of the car. you could smell the gunpowder
9:57 pm
immediately and everybody started running to the left and right. >> you must have been frightened. >> thinking it might explode but not knowing what was inside the car at that time. the windows were tinted. i went right up to the window when i first went over there and -- >> they did a good job trying to conceal what was in the car. >> even when the officer went over there with his flash rights he couldn't see. >> describe the moment when you realize this could be a deadly event. >> when it was the bomb squad that took a different flavor. i sat down in the middle of my block in the car and was waiting. i saw one of the sergeants and he said to me indeed when they brought the robot out they found out it was some kind of flammable liquid inside the car.
9:58 pm
>> flammable liquid. you later found out propane tank. >> and gasoline. >> we waited for about 7 hours in the middle of the block and when they gave us the okay to come back and remove my emergen merchandise it was about 4 in the morning. the car was still here getting ready to load it on the flatbed and the gasoline and propane tanks were in plain view laying on the sidewalk. >> you are a vietnam vet you have been through 9-11 in new york what were you thoughts when you realized it was a terrorist attack? >> that can he dodged a bullet possibly a very effective bullet that would have had immediate effects on me. even if one of the propane tanks exploded the last in and of itself would have injured a number of people. >> do you feel like a hero? >> hero is someone who runs into a burning building. what i did was recognize there was a situation and kind of acted on it in my own little way. >> duane, great job. >> thank you so much.
9:59 pm
>> is this the nightmare you have been preparing for since you got the job? >> that's a pretty stoni -- str word. obviously we are concerned about it. this is our business. this is what we do, respond to these. >> did you believe it when you heard it? took me a couple hours -- >> should we feel a sense of comfort on the job or is it the other way around that it is so arbitrary and easy to do that we should see our shadows? >> we live in a dangerous world since september 11th it's a changed world. we do everything we reasonably can to protect the at this. we have a major investment in the counter-terrorism efforts and the police department is committed, bomb squad people did a