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tv   The Briefing with Tom Harwood  GB News  November 25, 2022 9:30am-10:01am GMT

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good morning. it's 930 and this is the briefing with me, tom harwood. today we're exploring the nhs o nurses to go on strike over christmas . they're all they over christmas. they're all they miserly scrooges do they have legitimate concerns we'll explore that in a moment. also migration numbers, half a million people can the country and what were the best camping
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wins of the last ten years? a bit of a twist there at the end. we'll explore it all after the headunes. headlines. oh, hello . jones in the gb news oh, hello. jones in the gb news room, the health secretary is refusing to back down over nurses pay demands ahead of their first national strike in over a century. steve bach says he can't agree to a massive i7.6% he can't agree to a massive 17.6% pay rise. instead open he can't agree to a massive i7.6% pay rise. instead open to discussing how working lives can be improved. the royal college of nursing accused the government rejecting formal talks , an alternative to talks, an alternative to industrial action. as a result, staff in england, wales and northern ireland will walk out for two days on the 15th and
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20th of december. a six year old child has died . a bacteria child has died. a bacteria outbreak at. a school in surrey. a second child is being treated in hospital. the uk health security agencies confirmed it . security agencies confirmed it. an invasive group strep to cockle infection, also known strep a, which causes scarlet fever. pupils and staff at ashford church of england primary school have since been prescribed antibiotics . a man prescribed antibiotics. a man with the murders of a mother , with the murders of a mother, two children in nottingham, is due to appear in court today. jamie farrow is charged with the murders of fatoumata haidara and her daughters , aged three and her daughters, aged three and one. they died from smoke inhalation during a fire at their flat in clifton on sunday. energy regulator ofgem has proposed changes to protect customers and ensure suppliers are resilient. they include the of capital requirement so that companies have the funds deal with market shocks . it's after
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with market shocks. it's after soaring energy prices forced many small providers out of business. ofgem also wants suppliers to help households by closely monitoring credit and identifying customers . royal identifying customers. royal mail workers are striking for a second consecutive day. the communication workers union has rejected the company's final pay offer and more industrial action is planned in the coming weeks. cw general secretary dave ward says the union will continue renew the fight for jobs . they renew the fight for jobs. they are talking about destroying the role model as we know it today. they want to turn role now into another partial career and. we're not going to accept that. this is an important part of the uk infrastructure. we believe the public will support this dispute. we're in this situation because of gross mismanagement of the ceo and the board. a roll out and we need a government inquiry now to look into the
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actions of the and wales are chasing an historic world victory in council with their match kicking off against iran in just under half an hour's time. tonight, england will be seeking three points to secure the team's in the knockout stages . lions manager gareth stages. lions manager gareth southgate's urging his players to think big ahead of their game against the usa, which kicks off at 7 pm. in cardiff and told us what it means to see wales play in the first world cup. since . in the first world cup. since. 58. awesome music . obviously we 58. awesome music. obviously we don't get this. we be lucky if i told yo u ,2, but a world cup is told you ,2, but a world cup is a 64 years great. that's why we're out at 9:00 in the morning for good to go . yeah. so that is for good to go. yeah. so that is great to see. i couldn't win a world cup, so as brilliant what is your plans day great in watching football we watch a and have a couple of years i think we're going to smash on and what's the score prediction from
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you i see nello is busy in the bye good luck and best of luck to both teams tv online and plus radio this is gb news. thanks for the briefing with tom . for the briefing with tom. tom a very morning. it's 935 and this is the briefing with me, tom harwood as i'm supposed to be in camera this morning, royal college of nursing has announced its members will their first ever walk out on the 15th and the 20th of december. now it's due to an ongoing dispute with the government pay. the strike will involve rcn royal college of nursing members in more than half of the hospitals and community teams in the country. but emergency care, they say, will still be staffed. well, how are we defining emergency care
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and just what are going to be the implications of this strike? well porter is outside the royal college of nursing in central london and joins us now. alice firstly was brought about this strike . well, the royal college strike. well, the royal college of nursing say that this this industrial action is happening because they claim that the government refused to sit down and negotiate with them. and that's why they're saying that they're going to be striking and that's to be strikes that that's going to be strikes that taking place in england wales and ireland in and northern ireland in scotland, negotiations scotland, because negotiations are still ongoing. they're and this is very much a was an dispute that they're having with the government over pay the nurses are demanding, according to c barclay, the health secretary a pay rise of about 19. they're wanting that very i9. they're wanting that very much. they are arguing in with inflation now. nurses working in a pay inflation now. nurses working in a pay rise in the sum of about 4.75. a little bit more for those on a lower income, but the
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royal college of nursing say not enough, particularly for more experienced nurses and that and that's and then a number of economists have also agreed with that and they're saying that actually they've in real actually they've had in real terms a 20% cut. so that's terms a 20% pay cut. so that's why they're wanting more than that. why they're wanting more than that . that's we're that. and that's why we're having strikes are going having these strikes are going to taking place 15th to be taking place on the 15th and of december. and of and 20th of december. and of these dates in run up to these dates in the run up to christmas will very christmas will be a very alarming lot of people who alarming to a lot of people who are 15 for perhaps any outpatient treatment. i mean, the news least that the good news at least is that emergency care will still staff are waiting, will are still waiting, will hopefully hear within the next week about which are going to be impacted. but of course, anybody who run to christmas, who is in the run to christmas, when, of course, we've got winter we about winter pressures, we know about the backlog it's going the enormous backlog it's going to concerning for any to be really concerning for any patient who's going to be going there. college of there. but the royal college of nursing saying there nursing are saying that there are many unfulfilled are so many unfulfilled vacancies. in they say vacancies. in fact, they say 25,000 nurses and midwives left the council register over the last year and then very much making the economic argument that it doesn't make sense for
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the government be spending the government to be spending billions of pounds a year plugging those workforce gaps with agency staff. so that's very much the argument coming from the nurses. but the government is saying what they're suggesting . they're they're suggesting. they're claiming it's a pay of 19% claiming that it's a pay of 19% pay claiming that it's a pay of 19% pay rise. they're saying that would be 10 billion a year. and they simply not they say that simply not affordable. yeah, 19. i don't know any sector . that's getting know any sector. that's getting a 19% pay rise . this is clearly a 19% pay rise. this is clearly a 19% pay rise. this is clearly a very tricky situation and very, very worrying . those who very, very worrying. those who don't know whether care would be classed as essential or not. let's hope they come out very, very soon and clarify what their classing is essential or otherwise is. but just finally a more strikes than these days on the cards, a more strikes potentially about with other health care workers ? yes, that's health care workers? yes, that's right. today, the pilot clauses for unison members and next week there will be a ballot closing for unite for nhs workers. and that's the largest health union
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in the country. so that will be significant. we've got pilots for strike , for for strike, for physiotherapists, for midwives and junior doctors next year as well. so this is a really alarming picture of the nhs and of course unions say, well, we've been saying this for months and months, we've got a workforce that are exhausted from the pandemic who are struggling of living struggling with a cost of living . it's becomes . and of course, it's becomes a chicken and egg situation. more and continue and more people continue to leave profession. it makes it harder ones are harder for the ones who are there. and worry is how there. and the worry is that how that's care that's impacting on patient care . course, counter . of course, the counter argument be from those perhaps who are private sector who are in the private sector will we haven't had will say, well, we haven't had a pay will say, well, we haven't had a pay rise. people may have had lost job in the pandemic lost their job in the pandemic being furloughed literally being furloughed. i literally had minutes ago, someone come had 10 minutes ago, someone come up was painter. some up to me was a painter. some said, i can't strike. said, well, i can't strike. so i wouldn't and wouldn't any money. and so i suppose difficulty, suppose that's the difficulty, that's i that's the conundrum. but i think what think for the government, what is so about these strikes in particular is how emotive it is. anything in the nhs is always emotive . i mean we can just see emotive. i mean we can just see the placards with nurses. the placards now with nurses. it's be a very, very it's going to be a very, very emotional, it's very to have nurses for first time
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nurses striking for first time in history and while of course there strikes at there are competing strikes at there are competing strikes at the i think really when the moment i think really when it public , many people it comes to public, many people will be i think it's fair to say , citing their sympathies with workers after a preview to, of course, an enormous amount of good work in the country . and it good work in the country. and it would be a real blow for the government with the winter pressures piling on as we get to the end of the year. you know, really tricky situation for the nhs as a whole. a nhs as a whole. there's a waiting growing as waiting growing all the time as . well what a, what a fine mess . let's pause to thank you for joining us. there has the royal college of with the latest on that pretty seismic story so two days of strikes from nurses over christmas and that could just be the start the government must really be starving the nhs of funding right right. really be starving the nhs of funding right right . well let's funding right right. well let's look at the numbers . this is look at the numbers. this is from the independent health experts at the king's fund . experts at the king's fund. adjusted for inflation , in 2009, adjusted for inflation, in 2009, we spent .
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adjusted for inflation, in 2009, we spent . £116 billion on the we spent. £116 billion on the nhs . now by we spent. £116 billion on the nhs. now by next year we'll be spending nhs. now by next year we'll be spendin g £174 billion on the nhs spending £174 billion on the nhs . that is a 50% real terms increase on nhs funding . but if increase on nhs funding. but if there's been so more money going into the nhs , where has that into the nhs, where has that money gone ? why does it not feel money gone? why does it not feel there's been more money in the nhs? well, we've got more nurses from 2010 to 2021. the number of people per nurse fell from hundred and 66 to 161. the number people per gp fell. hundred and 66 to 161. the number people per gp fell . from number people per gp fell. from 1312 to 1246, the number of people per medical or dental staff fell from . hundred and staff fell from. hundred and 7 to 479. that's all data from the independent nuffield trust and it shows that even with population increases there are more nurses doctors and other
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care professionals per. citizen so doctors, more nurses , more so doctors, more nurses, more money . what is there less of ? money. what is there less of? well, that's a question that was posed by ben franco, an economist at, the institute for fiscal studies . economist at, the institute for fiscal studies. he said that's even compared . to 2019. spending even compared. to 2019. spending is 12% higher on the nhs there are 13% more doctors, 10% more consultants 11% more nurses, and 10% more clinical support . so 10% more clinical support. so doesn't it feel like there are more staff and more money the last three years? indeed more money and more staff over the decade too. and yet services are getting worse, waiting times are appalling. why is all this money and all these staff not making things better ? well, here is things better? well, here is perhaps a part of the answer. while cash and clinical staff
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has been rising in, one area staff have been severely cut. the of managerial staff . staff have been severely cut. the of managerial staff. in staff have been severely cut. the of managerial staff . in 2009 the of managerial staff. in 2009 that sat at 42,509 by 2021 that were just 33,531. that's drop of 25% in managerial staff. so were just 33,531. that's drop of 25% in managerial staff . so why 25% in managerial staff. so why does that matter ? well, while does that matter? well, while it's politically popular to say we should have more and more staff at the expense the back room, in reality that leads to huge inefficiencies within the system. more doctors and nurses doing their own paperwork instead of treating patients deployed to the wrong places without enough logistic staff to see where they'd be most effective , a clogged up system effective, a clogged up system devoid of specialisation, where staff spend too long inputting data on their terrible systems and not properly for their own skill . yes. what other sector? skill. yes. what other sector? what other employer would not
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that investment in logistics? well, i'm going to say something unpopular even when adjusted per head of population . nhs of head of population. nhs of course has never had more money, never had more doctors , never never had more doctors, never had more nurses . but before we had more nurses. but before we say it's time to , pour ever more say it's time to, pour ever more billions of taxpayer cash into the system we might need to look at the least populist answer that i could possibly think of. perhaps just perhaps the nhs needs more middle . well, of needs more middle. well, of related to this issue of pressure , the nhs is of course pressure, the nhs is of course the migration that we've seen this week . half the migration that we've seen this week. half a million the migration that we've seen this week . half a million people this week. half a million people added to the kingdom population in the year to june. i'm delighted to be joined now by the political editor of the daily express, david maddocks, and david, first of all, i suppose to some extent these numbers were not a huge surprise
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. we know that we've taken on 100,000 plus ukrainians , 100,000 100,000 plus ukrainians, 100,000 plus hong kong is fleeing to some extent. this was an aberration all year. but what was your reaction to those numbers we saw yesterday . numbers we saw yesterday. i think the problem that it feeds a bigger picture of, a government that just lost control of the borders issue . control of the borders issue. and that's the trouble. and yes , absolutely. you know, we needed to be taking most people from hong kong. we needed be taking most people from ukraine you know, these were very special circumstances. hong kong particular i think we know we owed legacy . but for those owed legacy. but for those people to come here for protection . but it's bigger protection. but it's bigger picture and you know that was obviously legal migration but on the other hand, you know, we have the problem of illegal migration coming across the channel and there's just this
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wider perspective the government promised to take back control of our borders with brexit has singularly failed to do so in any regard . do you think that any regard. do you think that rishi sunak, when he answers these questions about the level of migration and he says in a phrase that we've come to know quite, he needs to deal with illegal migration before thinking about the numbers of legal migration . do you think legal migration. do you think that that's a sort of sound bite will land. well with people of the united kingdom . well i think the united kingdom. well i think are just numbed to it now actually i'm feeling you know we've 12 years of conservative leaders and prime ministers promising to tackle illegal and bnng promising to tackle illegal and bring down legal. i mean right back to david cameron setting targets . i think it was 100,000 targets. i think it was 100,000 net. but david cameron , illegal net. but david cameron, illegal migration . you know, we've just migration. you know, we've just had you know, theresa may said
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it, boris johnson said it. now, rishi it people stop believing it suddenly . we've run a couple it suddenly. we've run a couple of polls lately like we degree of polls lately like we degree of scepticism to a migration control measures is huge you know we about six in ten 710 voters and you know the problem is i think they want to stop heanng is i think they want to stop hearing words and actually just see some actual action , you see some actual action, you know, instead of their local hotels jam packed with illegal migrants, for example . yeah, i migrants, for example. yeah, i think the really evocative thing here is the sense of a lack control over that illegal migration higher than than we've ever had recorded perhaps 50,000 this year coming in small boats with with no sort of control or process . but if we look at the process. but if we look at the detail of the legal migration numbers saw yesterday, the office for national statistics released , the not this not this
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released, the not this not this graphic, if we could just get to the next graphic first, which is from the office for national statistics , which just showed statistics, which just showed the difference of the levels of migration, 150,000 coming for work , but considerably higher work, but considerably higher numbers . for student visas see numbers. for student visas see that the light blue line those coming to study was the largest . that the light blue line those coming to study was the largest. num and if we go to the next graphic now, we can see that actually amongst the british public very few people think that students who come of course, for four, three years or so and then mostly again, very few people think that those numbers should be included in the overall migration total . so perhaps we migration total. so perhaps we looking at this the wrong way,
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that 500,000 number, if we don't look at students within it , look at students within it, perhaps that's actually quite a bit lower that was that was one of the arguments. theresa may regularly put forward. but we should just take the student numbers out of this and that would actually bring the figures down to a more realistic migration total . there's always migration total. there's always a great deal of scepticism that because actually many of the student spends day on a and, you know, find work and so forth. it is very hard to actually track who's staying on and who is not staying on. i know just yesterday, but she's sitting actually talking about cutting the number student visas, which is , you know, potentially a way is, you know, potentially a way to deal with it actually. i mean, a number of university sector the money coming in from abroad , you know, some balance
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abroad, you know, some balance to be had there . but what that to be had there. but what that graph also shows is that this idea we need massive migration for the jobs and for, you know , for the jobs and for, you know, economic growth is , you know, is economic growth is, you know, is questionable. that's if a majority of them coming or large proportion of coming for, you know, education reasons as opposed to work reasons, then , opposed to work reasons, then, you know, it perhaps questions the model of , the kind of people the model of, the kind of people who are proposing and supporting open borders . yes, i suppose it open borders. yes, i suppose it it also points to the fact that only 150,000 out of that 500,000 are coming for those for those under the new points based system . perhaps that explains to system. perhaps that explains to some extent some of those labour shortages that we're seeing, not actually 500,000 people coming to plug skills gaps. it's to the plug skills gaps. it's only 150,000 coming to plug skills gaps. a really interesting breakdown there. i wonder the next step, though, it seems the labour party and
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conservative party are now so similar both on the issue of migration, they're saying of the same platitudes as they did at the start of this week at the confederation of british industry. is that really a cigarette paper that we can put between both parties this ? no, i between both parties this? no, i mean, keir definitely moved to the on this issue in terms of his rhetoric. but again, if you look at the small print, you know he's is still offering more visas work visas and you know , visas work visas and you know, again, as i say, very i think platitudes is the way to put it. you know, we've had years of conservative governments and concerted leaders, home secretaries , saying that they're secretaries, saying that they're going to bring this under control and reduce it and in fact, what's happened is we're getting record numbers. i mean, you know you know, half a million people we're talking about a couple of countries, aren't we? you know each year.
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and that's an enormous amount to try and harms to try provide services for when we're already struggling anyway. i mean you section on what's going on with the nhs is you know it's all in to the strain public services despite the extra investment the extra doctors and nurses it's you know mrs. part of a problem in the country the country is creaking in terms of what it can offer people in terms of services terms of housing . and services terms of housing. and you know i'm i'm a whole cost of living issue . so you know, living issue. so you know, they've got to stop with the and actually tackle the problem in the end or else, you know, others are going to start moving into a political that's been left by the main parties . yeah. left by the main parties. yeah. it's interesting to see nigel frost making more and more sort of hints towards returning to that arena. we'll have to watch this space, but for now. david
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maddocks , political editor of maddocks, political editor of the daily express, thank you very much for joining the daily express, thank you very much forjoining us on the very much for joining us on the briefing this morning. really briefing this. morning. really interesting . well, interesting stuff there. well, finally , footballer marcus finally today, footballer marcus rashford's free school meals initiative . remember that? well, initiative. remember that? well, it's been named the best campaign of the past decade . campaign of the past decade. that's according to the results of a poll by page fields. that's according to the results of a poll by page fields . the of a poll by page fields. the vote leave campaign also placed in the top ten alongside sarah's law spearheaded by the news of the world. but what the issue around these political campaigns have outside campaigns in many ways become more influential than elected politicians own words . well, i'm joined now by words. well, i'm joined now by oliver foster , ceo of page field oliver foster, ceo of page field dive into these these results. and oliver, thank you for joining us this morning. were you surprised by some of the results on this list, some of these campaigns, that of course, were sort of extra parliament free have really been more defining of the last decade than
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things have gone on inside parliament? no morning, tom. thanks for having me. no, not surprised , really, because all surprised, really, because all of the all of the top ten were pretty profile public pretty high profile public campaigns at the time over the last decade. and we really we were really determined when we selected the top 50, that was then down by a panel of judges to the top ten. we really wanted to the top ten. we really wanted to put it out to a public vote. and you said up front the three were quite close. in the end, vote leave came in at about 15% of the vote. sarah's at 18 and marcus rashford school meals at 20% was that was quite a closeness between the three but what unites them all really a authenticity and a mobilisation of support that all three campaigns in very different ways were very at doing. all of them engaged politicians and many of them had some high politicians backing them . but i think your backing them. but i think your your question an interesting one really about about the power of
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outside influence and the beginning of your programme . you beginning of your programme. you were talking about the nhs and of course one of the best groups of course one of the best groups of campaigners and arguably well—funded campaigners, the trade unions, and they have been for many years . so campaigning for many years. so campaigning is not about big corporates , is not about big corporates, deep pockets, it's charities , deep pockets, it's charities, it's trade unions, it's individuals . and our list of the individuals. and our list of the top ten that was voted on includes a mix of all of those . includes a mix of all of those. do you think that to some extent , political power is now sort of more dispersed than than at any point before? it's interesting looking the last sort of two months in british politics. one prime minister unable to get her agenda through , parliament and agenda through, parliament and then being a defender treated as prime minister, perhaps due to outside pressure. this this prime minister now feeling the heat on on various levelling up legislation to, perhaps sort of
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in groups outside parliament have more power than ever before , potentially . but i have more power than ever before , potentially. but i think i think what's more is to look at politics themselves. you still have good, high profile politician who are very good campaigners. robert is a very good example of someone who has spent many years campaigning on issues and becoming an expert. your own nigel farage was instrumental in in leave. there are there are good pockets of politicians who are good at that. sadly i think our political is no longer as good as it used be. overall in campaigning which is why outside bodies are having much more impact. but the key with all of this is that , is that if you are this is that, is that if you are authentic if you mobilise, if you have data driven campaigns, you're going to succeed because the public will be persuaded of your case if you are just throwing at it with no real sense of your direction or
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indeed your evidence, then you're not going to. well, it's an absolutely fascinating list. and well worth checking out for those who have not yet seen it in full. rashford sarah's law and vote leave coming in the top there. olivia foster, ceo , page there. olivia foster, ceo, page field, thank you for talking to us through you. campaigning as a modern force. well, modern political force. well, that's it for the programme today. that's it for the programme today . you very forjoining today. you very much for joining me. back on monday me. i'll be back on monday from 930, up next is look at the 930, but up next is look at the weather . good 930, but up next is look at the weather. good morning. i'm alex deakin . this is your latest deakin. this is your latest weather update from the office. bright and the breeze early friday out there today. sunny for most and not much in the way of rain. we certainly had lot of wet and windy weather over the past 8 hours from a couple of weather fronts in this low pressure system. but here, this little bump in the ice of ours is what we call little ridge . is what we call a little ridge. and will bring, as i say, and that will bring, as i say, most day. most of us fine day. not everywhere. still in the west. there are showers feeding
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there are a few showers feeding in south wales, in parts of south wales, south—west this morning south—west england. this morning north—west will north—west england too. and will keep showers over the keep showers going over the highlands western highlands and the western through some will just through the day. some will just through the day. some will just through central belt and through the central belt and perhaps aberdeenshire. perhaps into of aberdeenshire. but for many it will be but i say for many it will be dry bright . but i say for many it will be dry bright. some but i say for many it will be dry bright . some decent dry and bright. some decent spells sunshine still a bit spells of sunshine still a bit breezy, but nothing like as as the have . and temperatures the winds have. and temperatures responding to a bit of sunshine, double figures almost across the board, maybe only eight or nine in the eastern parts of scotland. south could scotland. but the south we could see highs of 13 celsius, pretty mild time of year. it mild for the time of year. it will quite , quite quickly will turn quite, quite quickly this if you're heading this evening. if you're heading out places will be dry . the out most places will be dry. the odd west wales odd shower for west wales northwest england say most places will be dry. some wet weather will keep going across the far north of scotland with those winds and clearer skies. it will quite chilly with frost in certainly rural areas over the midlands and eastern england to start the weekend . for the to start the weekend. for the west though, the breeze will be picking weather picking up and the next weather system on the way, system will be on the way, bringing to northern bringing rain to northern ireland initially on saturday
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morning. but it will spread to parts of western scotland and by lunchtime into parts of wales and western england too. i suspect of the midlands, the eastern england's . some parts of eastern england's. some parts of aberdeenshire any aberdeenshire won't see any rain. and quite late in the rain. and so quite late in the day , much east anglia in the day, much of east anglia in the southeast certainly southeast will stay, certainly until . but it will until after sunset. but it will be turning windy, though , during be turning windy, though, during tomorrow. winds steadily tomorrow. the winds steadily picking up, but is going to picking up, but it is going to bnng picking up, but it is going to bring air with it. so bring mild air with it. so temperatures in the they temperatures in the as they could sunday, could could be on sunday, they could also stubborn, right. of also be some stubborn, right. of course, east anglia in the on sunday. marks sunday. some question marks about that. but elsewhere looking little brighter .
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