a one hour press conference today, essentially saying that reform uk are the party for the working class. do you agree with that or not? iwa also got stuck into a bit more detail around some of the direction of travel when it comes to their policies. 50 when it comes to their policies. so let's look at that. and so let�*s look at that. and speaking then of working class, in a stark departure from the previous labour government's obsession with education, education, education, basically pushing people to uni who didn�*t really need to be there. today, a new skills reboot has been announced, with the labour party focusing on trades, apprenticeships, welcome news or not. we�*ve got all of that and not. we've got all of that and lots more keeping me company. i�*ve got ben habib, the chairman of the great british pac, and matt laws, the former labour party adviser. but before we get stuck in, let's cross live and give you your 6:00 news

headlines. >> very good evening to you tonight at 6:00, police say it's a miracle there weren't more serious injuries after a car ploughed into crowds at liverpool's premier league victory parade. the king says he is deeply shocked and saddened with the prince and princess of wales, calling it heartbreaking to what should have been a joyful day. princess anne visited liverpool this afternoon to meet emergency crews and praise their remarkable bravery. 11 people remain in hospital, all in a stable condition, and are said to be recovering well, according to merseyside police. well, speaking earlier, detective chief superintendent karen jones said that officers are continuing to analyse footage of that crash. >> we have arrested a 53 year old man from west derby on suspicion of attempted murder, dangerous driving offences and driving whilst unfit through drugs. he remains in custody where he is being interviewed.

we have a total of 65 confirmed casualties, many of whom required hospital treatment, and our officers and family liaison officers are providing specialist support to a large number of these victims. >> and prime minister sir keir starmer said the country stands with the city of liverpool after what he described as scenes of joy turned to devastation. >> all stands together and the whole country stands with liverpool. i would like to thank the first responders who did a fantastic job last night and continue to do so. there's now an ongoing investigation. i'm being kept updated. talking frequently to the mayor, steve rotheram. but as i say, my thoughts and the thoughts of the whole country will be with everybody in liverpool today. >> in canada, king charles has made history by becoming the first british monarch in nearly 50 years to deliver canada's speech from the throne. well,

that visit follows an invite from prime minister mark carney, seen as a pointed response to donald trump's claim that canada donald trump�*s claim that canada could become america's 515t state. speaking in ottawa, he praised the country's transformation since his mother's visit in 1977, calling canada truly multicultural and independent. well, his majesty also recalled past global crises, from the cold war to the war on terror, and warned that canada faces new threats today. >> today. >> today. >> canada faces another critical moment democracy, pluralism, the rule of law, self—determination and freedom are values which canadians hold dear and ones which the government is determined to protect. >> vote reform get reform. those were the words of nigel farage as he doubled down at a press conference in central london today. the reform uk leader backed reinstating the winter

fuel payment and scrapping both net zero targets and asylum seeker hotels. he also said lifting the two child benefit cap would be the right thing to do. nigel farage paid tribute to the victims of the liverpool attack last night and turned his fire on sir keir starmer. he's also pitching reform as the only real opposition, he says to a labour government. and tommy robinson has been released from prison after serving time for contempt of court four months early. the 112 year contempt of court four months early. the £12 year old left hmp woodhill on tuesday morning this morning, appearing on social media with longer hair, a beard and a rosary around his neck. >> in a country that doesn't believe in free speech. being a citizen journalist, this place is an occupational hazard. it's ridiculous. >> well, robinson is also due in court again on the 5th ofjune for alleged harassment and faces another trial next year over a separate phone data offence. those are the latest headlines. i�*ll be back with you in an houfs

i�*ll be back with you in an hour�*s time. now, though, it's hour's time. now, though, it's over to michelle. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone. sign up direct to your smartphone. sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com/poll. >> thank you very much for that. i�*m michelle dewberry. this is dewbs& co with you until 7:00 tonight. i thought i was looking at robinson crusoe there at the end of that news bulletin. i can tell you, of course, many of you have got in touch about that story today with some of the issues that tommy robinson raises. don't worry. we'll get into that before the end of the programme. we've got a lot to discuss tonight. and alongside me. look at my panel. i've got me. look at my panel. i�*ve got ben habib, the chairman of the great british pac, and matthew laza, the former labour party adviser. good evening gents. you're both very welcome tonight, as are each and every single one of you at home as well. did you have a nice bank holiday yesterday? did you do anything or were you just grafting? get in touch. what's on your mind tonight? you can

join me all the usual ways. you can email me gb views at gbnews.com. you can go to the website gbnews.com/poll. or of course you can tweet or you can text me whatever we call it these days. you're very welcome this evening. but of course, like each and every single one of you, i imagine i watched the horrendous, horrendous footage of the incident in liverpool as it unfolded yesterday. absolutely sickening. confusing. devastating. stayed up and watch the press conference as well. like many of you, i was just so relieved. it felt like a miracle at the time to hear. and actually it was it was unbelievable in some ways when you'd seen some of that footage to hear that actually nobody had died last night. i was really pleased to hear that. and that was a situation that continued again today, of course, in liverpool. charlie peters, gb news reporter. he is live on the scene there. good evening, charlie peters. bring us up to speed with all of the latest developments from that story

today. >> well good evening michelle. the home secretary, yvette coopen the home secretary, yvette cooper, has visited the scene here just off the strand in liverpool city centre, moments from where that liverpool football club parade passed through yesterday, and just maybe a dozen feet or so away from where that car came to a standstill dramatically yesterday evening, soon after 6 pm, as that tragedy unfolded and yvette cooper was meeting with emergency services, who, as you said, michelle, were involved in something of a miracle, saving lives on the front line of this tragedy yesterday, a harrowing scene for so many fans of liverpool football club and members of the public in this city, because 65 casualties were recorded by the emergency services yesterday and 11 remain in hospital, all in a stable condition and recovering well. although yesterday we were told that children were caught up

told that children were caught up in the serious injuries. but we weren't told today how many of those 11 remaining in hospital were children. onto the policing side, we also heard from karen jones, the detective chief superintendent of merseyside police, who told us that an extensive investigation is ongoing, with police sources telling gb news that they have until tomorrow lunchtime to continue questioning. a 53 year old man from west derby, a suburb in liverpool, who has been arrested on suspicion of multiple counts of attempted murder, though the police say won't say how many counts. that won�*t say how many counts. that is dangerous driving and also on suspicion of being unfit to drive through drugs. although no further information on what investigation took place to inform that suspicion. now, as it stands, we have had the home secretary visiting here. we know that she was with the deputy, the deputy chief constable,

chris green, and the metro mayor, steve rotheram. also, the princess royal was visiting earlier today as this city continues to come to grips with what was meant to be one of its great days and illustrious moment in the city and the football club's history. celebrating for the first time in decades on the streets, with the last time they won the premier league being during the covid lockdown. but that day of celebration, that day of joy, with up to a million people on the streets here in liverpool, did end in tragedy and the city is continuing to recover and reflect, as many have their thoughts and prayers. for those 11 who continue to recover in hospital. >> yeah, and earlier on today, the mayor, as you've just been the mayor, as you�*ve just been describing there, he actually was asking questions and saying there's questions to be asked essentially as to how cars were even able to get down that street. well, we know, don't we? off the back of the press conference, the press then, sorry. the police then told us that the car was apparently tailgating an ambulance. so does

that answer the mayor's questions then, charlie? >> well, michelle, very close. following the ambulance, which was responding to a suspected heart attack in the area of the parade, it was on a closed off street. although we have heard from sources that it was a vehicle barrier in place preventing the entrance of any car, so a vehicle would have had to move out of the way to allow the emergency services to go in. and in the heat of the moment, it's likely that that ford galaxie, driven by this 53 year old suspect, according to the police, then tailgated right behind that ambulance and entered. but it is a question now of blame already, isn't it, now of blame already, isn�*t it, michelle? people asking how on earth could that vehicle possibly have entered a pedestrian area? we were told earlier byjenny pedestrian area? we were told earlier by jenny sims, pedestrian area? we were told earlier byjenny sims, the assistant chief constable, that they had a robust event management system in place, that there were armed police, that there were armed police, that there wasn't any intelligence, there wasn�*t any intelligence, that this sort of event was going to take place. but gb news has heard from sources who told

us that the vehicle barrier checkpoint was being manned by the events management team, not by the police. >> interesting stuff. charlie peters, thank you for your coverage. i�*ve got to tell you, coverage. i've got to tell you, ladies and gents, like all of you, i had goosebumps watching it all unfold. just sickening. we never know, do we? what is around the corner? all of those people, they would have got up yesterday just so excited. this was a huge moment for them. and even if you're not a massive even if you�*re not a massive football fan, just the whole sense of pride, excitement, community coming together, it would have been just such an incredibly exciting day for that day. then to end with people either injured or trapped under a car, or frantically trying to get a hold of their loved ones and being unable to in in some cases, nobody deserves that. it's just so tragic. ben habib. >> well, i completely agree with you.you >> well, i completely agree with you. you know, we have we have a problem, don't we? if you have cars driving through crowds and

tailgating ambulances that are attending to someone with a heart attack, and then using that as an opportunity to effectively inflict serious bodily harm with an intent, presumably to kill. i know he�*s presumably to kill. i know he's been charged with attempted murder, and which doesn't sit entirely comfortably with all the allegations that he was also under the influence of drugs. >> well, he's been arrested for that, hasn't he? that's what he's actually been arrested for. they are the charges. but carry 011. >> on. >> but they they in my mind, they they�*re slightly opposite they they're slightly opposite attempted murder and being under the influence of drugs, you know, if you�*re under the know, if you're under the influence of drugs, were you really attempting to kill people? anyway, we will find out. i think there's a lot more to this story that will come out dufing to this story that will come out during the course of the investigation and trial. and, you know, for me, it is important to try and understand why it is this individual did what he did and to get to the bottom of it. because the pattern of behaviour here is a pattern of behaviour here is a pattern that we've actually seen being used as terrorism in the

past. and, you know, i find it hard to believe that this guy hasnt hard to believe that this guy hasn�*t got some kind of ideological thing going on in his head. >> well, i�*ve got to say, >> well, i've got to say, they've repeatedly, categorically said that this is not terrorism. and i mean, there's some this is one of the things in this day and age now we live in a social media era, don�*t we? and all of this don't we? and all of this i mean, like you, we saw it all unfold. i've seen so many videos unfold. i�*ve seen so many videos of this stuff, all of them absolutely horrific, but they have absolutely stressed that this is not, in their mind, terrorism related matthew laza. >> so, i mean, it's just i mean, >> so, i mean, it'sjust i mean, it's just your heart goes out to everybody who's been affected by this, notjust the people in this, not just the people in hospital. and we hope that they that they have a speedy recovery. but i was actually in liverpool a week yesterday and it just, you liverpool a week yesterday and itjust, you know, my friend of it just, you know, my friend of mine who's a councillor in liverpool was getting the who i was meeting for dinner, was getting a briefing as the whole council was on the on the plans for, for the parade a week

later. and obviously they thought they put the best possible plans in place. i think the problem is, is that it�*s very hard at these events to either, you know, if we're going to have some freedom at these events, we're going to have our way of life. we say this after every and this isn't regarded as every and this isn�*t regarded as a terrorist attack, but after every terrorist incident or every terrorist incident or every incident, the shocking incident like this, it's very hard to get to get that, to get that balance right. i mean, we heard from charlie, it looks like the events company were manning the vehicle checkpoints allegedly were manning the vehicle checkpoints, not police. the problem is they probably aren't enough police in order for them to do it. they were more on the front line because people anticipated that the trouble might just come from people who were getting a little bit exuberant in their celebrations. so lots of questions to ask. but, you know, it looks at the moment like it was he didn't have a motive. but, i mean, we must have answers to all the questions about the preparations. >> yeah. can ijust preparations. >> yeah. can i just add to that? you know, after the southport killings, we were told categorically that this was a welshman who perpetrated the killings. and in my mind, no use of the word welshman could be

appued of the word welshman could be applied to axel rudakubana. he may live in cardiff, but it was a definite deflection by the prime minister trying to reduce concerns about the ethnicity of the individual who perpetrated those crimes. and the other thing we were told after the southport killings was that that was not a terrorist event. they said exactly the same thing. it wasn't a terrorist event. and then we subsequently discovered and it was known to the prime minister at the time that this individual was in possession of al—qaeda workbooks and ricin and, you know, all things that look and feel like terrorism. and so i absolutely have in my mind a very healthy cynicism and scepticism about what i hear coming out from merseyside police and from the authorities. i want to see the full details of this before i make a judgement on this guy. just having had drugs and not being motivated by something ideological. we've heard too many times that this is not a terrorist attack, this is not ideological, this is not part of

the problems that we�*ve created in our country with mass immigration, etc. and i want to i want to see in the cold light of day what the facts are, rather than just believing what merseyside police have trotted out straight, straight after the event >> well, i�*ve got to say, time >> well, i've got to say, time will tell, won�*t it? but that is will tell, won't it? but that is the point that i was trying to make. we live in a social media era now and these stories just get legs instantly. everyone uses their own eyes, everyone sees their own footage, and whatever the police say about speculating and all the rest of it. of course people speculate. that's just human nature. when that�*s just human nature. when you hear a story about a car being rammed through pedestrians on a street, every single person i would put to you sits there and has thoughts and conversations and all the rest of it about why, who, what motivated them and all the rest of it unfortunately, we do live in a very low trust society at the moment as well, don't we? the moment as well, don�*t we? and we shall see that the police say that they learnt lessons from the way that they dealt with the southport situation. there were so many rumours and all the rest of it going around

online. they would argue that they learnt lessons. that's why they�*ve been so quick with some they've been so quick with some of their information this time. time will tell won't it? i hope nothing like this ever happens again, but if it does, we'll see how quickly the police forces do release that information going forward. but for now, look, our thoughts are importantly with everybody affected in this incident. there's people still incident. there's people still in hospital, including, i am believing a child as well. so like i said, i'll end as like i said, i�*ll end as i started. we never know what the future holds. we never know what tomorrow may bring. really. we've only got this present moment, haven't we? that�*s all we have to be certain about. absolutely tragic. and again, thoughts with everybody affected coming up after the break. reform uk nigel farage giving a brief press conference today, enlightening us about policy ideas and direction of travel. they say that they are the party for the working class and that keir starmer a non—patriotic prime minister. your

a non—patriotic hello there. i�*m michelle dewberry. this is dewbs& co gisele 7:00 ben habib and matt lazar remain alongside me. and of course, a huge outpouring of love and support and solidarity with everybody impacted by that horrendous situation that we saw in liverpool last night. now nigel farage, he gave a one hour press conference today, ladies and gents, where he was setting more of the detail around the direction of travel of reform uk and some of their policies. i want to get into that in a few minutes, but before i do that, one of the other things he was doing was having a pop. it won�*t surprise you at sir keir starmer. let's take a listen. >> this prime minister has no connection with working people, no connection with what we used to call working class communities. his leadership, frankly, is dismal. it is uninspiring. it is disconnected from real life. it is, in my

view, unpatriotic. and now even opinion polling today suggesting that over half the country thinks his leadership, frankly, is pointless. >> marc lasry if you shook your head any more furiously, then it was in danger of. falling off. what's the matter? >> well, i mean, look, i mean, you know, i think nigel's got some gall and some gumption more front than blackpool is. my nan would have said in what he's saying. so he's got, you know, a public school educated guy claiming that keir starmer and the labour cabinet aren't in touch with ordinary people. this is the first cabinet in british history where not a single person went to a fee paying school. so it represents the 93% of us. >> did they go to school at all? >> did they go to school at all? >> well they did. it's a bit harsh, a bit harsh, ben, bit harsh. they went to school and most of them, but not all of them, like angela went to university. so one. >> of them trained as a solicitor but didn�*t quite make it. >> well, that's that's a different issue. but i think saying that they're not in touch with ordinary people is just

outrageous. i look, i don't agree with nigel politically, but i wouldn't question nigel�*s but i wouldn't question nigel's patriotism and i actually wouldn't question the patriotism of kemi badenoch or ed davey either. you know, i think keir starmer very much believes in the country. i'm not going to the country. i�*m not going to say his dad was a toolmaker, because i can hear the laugh already. actually happens to be true. the family got richer as he grew up. his dad, i think, sort of went into management when he was about when keir was about 16 or something. so but, about 16 or something. 50 but, you know, he grew up in a pretty modest family and being lectured about being in touch with the working class by a public, by public schoolboy who spent 20 years on the brussels gravy train. come off it. >> of course, many viewers will remember that very quickfire interview where he was directly asked westminster or davos, he chose davos. >> yeah, i'm not sure that westminster is exactly a hotbed of the working class either. i mean, i mean, i don�*t think that mean, i mean, i don't think that applies. i mean, i don't think that makes him i don�*t think it that makes him i don't think it makes him unpatriotic. i think it was a stupid answer. but i think i don't think it makes him unpatriotic. i mean, look, on

basic things is, you know, we know whenever there's an england know whenever there�*s an england football match, every politician gets out the england shirt. and you know, when pretty patel got out and he said the creases in it because it was in the bag, i feel a bit sorry for because i�*m not a football fan either. i feel a bit sorry for pretty, but he genuinely goes to england matches, even pays for it himself sometimes because he actually is. you know, he's a football supporter and he's a patriot, as is nigel. >> i think nigel was not really being accurate. i wouldn't say keir starmer is unpatriotic. i�*d say he's actively anti—british. if you look at the rhetoric and the desires he has for this country, they are to the detriment of this country. i mean, most recently, let's just mean, most recently, let�*s just look at the chagos deal. i highly recommend viewers read the recitals to the to the agreement, which sets out the foundations of why we gave chagos away. and it is full of mere culpa as far as the british are, as far as the united kingdom is concerned, as far as our history is concerned, as far as how we got into control of those islands is concerned. it is a damning indictment of everything british in those

recitals, all of it false, including apologising to the mauritians, in effect for crimes committed wrongdoings by the british in the past. what wrongdoings? it�*s just a declaration. he is ashamed of our history. he is ashamed of this country and we have tangible evidence for it beyond chagos. last week he basically was moving towards handing the military the control of our military the control of our military over to the european union, embedding us in a european framework out of which we would never be able to emerge as an independent military force. he was also busy taking down our borders. two days before that, he had said that we were likely to become strangers in our own country. and yet, as i say, two days after that, that statement, he was taking down our borders. if you take down the borders of a country and let in 80 million youth from the european union, you are basically setting aside the nation state that is the united kingdom that can only be interpreted as being

anti—british. he also subjected this country to phytosanitary and sanitary alignment on regular regulatory alignment with the european union, which means as foreign power makes a law, we have to take it on in the uk. it also means that it�*s a foreign court that will adjudicate those laws. again, a very anti—british move. this man remember, and we mustn't forget it, wanted to reverse brexit. he wanted a second referendum on it. he wasn't satisfied that the british people, the so—called working classes, nigel refers, referred to them. the working class in this country wanted out of the eu and starmer wouldn't give it to us. and he's now busy reversing it. he is notjust unpatriotic, he is anti—british. >> very swift reaction. >> very swift reaction. >> yeah. i mean, i completely disagree, ben. i mean, look at look at the government's commitment to spending more on britain's defences. look at him. he's handing. he�*s handing. >> over our military to the european union. >> he�*s not. >> he�*s not

>> he�*s not >> absolutely he is. >> absolutely he is. >> and talk about the, you know, the tougher stance he's taken on immigration. i think he's a truly i think he's a true patriot. >> well there you go. what a strange society we're in now, strange society we�*re in now, though, where everyone has to try and outdo each other as to who is the most patriotic. i don�*t believe anyone's patriotic until they've got a british bulldog tattooed on their left butt cheek, if you ask me. >> but i'm just going to take my trousers. >> no. >> no. >> that is a good that is a good point in time to go to a break. let's get into the policies then that reform uk we're talking aboutin that reform uk we're talking about in that press conference. i�*ll see you in two. >> ready to soak up that holiday sunshine. >> won't we need some cover. >> won't we need some cover. >> no worries. all sorted. >> no worries. all sorted. >> allclear travel insurance. sponsors gb news travel destinations forecast. >> hello. well, there's plenty >> hello. well, there�*s plenty of sunshine across europe and it's feeling warm there too, with some spells of rain or thunderstorms across the east. now we have lighter winds across

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>> hello there, i�*m michelle >> hello there, i'm michelle dewberry. this is dewbs& co with you until 7:00 tonight alongside me i've got my panel. ben habib, the chairman of the great british pac, and matt lazar, the former labour pa|ty adviser. former labour party adviser. lots of you getting in touch, talking about the press conference that nigel farage held today. lots of you seem to be quite galvanised by what you heard, alistair, though, says michelle, at the end of the day,

where are the tories in all of this? some people even feel that they represent the working people better than the labour party. well, keep your thoughts on that one coming in. but if you did miss it, lets just play you did miss it, let's just play a clip then, shall we? of some of the things that nigel farage was saying today. >> if we win the next election, we will scrap net zero, something that is costing the exchequer an extraordinary ££10 exchequer an extraordinary £40 billion. every year. there will be no more asylum hotels or houses of multiple occupancy people who come here illegally across the channel or on the back of lorries will not be allowed to stay. we will scrap the dei agenda, which is costing the dei agenda, which is costing the taxpayer up to £7 billion a year throughout the public sector. and yes, we see considerable savings to be made amongst the quangos. so, yes, i do accept that these proposals,

especially the one of lifting to £20,000, the level at which people start paying tax, i accept that it is expensive, but i genuinely believe that we can pay for it because we are not ideologically tied to the same ideas upon which we believe the conservative and labour governments have gone so wrong over the course of the last few years. >> matthew laza nigel farage the other day was saying that he believes that reform uk are the real opposition to the labour party. many people would say that the labour party are basically following and being led by reform uk. what do you think some of what you're heafing think some of what you're hearing from nigel there? >> well, i think that they in a sense he's right that they're the main opposition because the tones the main opposition because the tories are just in a state of absolute meltdown. we've now seen them coming fourth in opinion polls over the last ten days behind the liberal democrats. maybe they'll slip to fifth behind the greens. i mean, their tories are on the verge of

irrelevance. so i think in a sense, i'm glad that nigel gave sense, i�*m glad that nigel gave this speech today because we've got real, real meat to get our teeth into, real policy meat and real discussions to have. but i think it�*s. >> when you say get your teeth into, do you mean to analyse or to copy to? >> well, i think to analyse, not to copy, i think, i think look, i think the worst thing the labour party could do is try and out reform reform. that doesn't mean to say that. it doesn't mean to say that. it doesn't mean the labour party shouldn't do sensible things to keep migration under control. and we can go on and look at the other things. but i don�*t think the labour party should follow itself. just trying to trying to chuck, you know, ideas out there just to seem to be to, to be reform light. i think that's a disaster for the tories as well, because the tories will lose some other support. but i mean, because there are things in here that labour will, you know, you cannot increase the tax threshold to 20,000. it will it will bankrupt the country. >> why do you say that, matthew? >> why do you say that, matthew? >> because because the cost i mean, basically nigel's giving a speech today in which he thinks taking down a couple of pride flags is going to is going to save £25 billion a year. i�*ve

got a message for nigel. no, it isn�*t. and what's interesting is isn�*t. and what�*s interesting is he was sat there. >> don't be daft. that's not >> don�*t be daft. that's not what he said. he didn't say i'm going to take two flags down and therefore i can take the personal allowance down to 20 grand. that's, that's. >> that's one of his big savings was on dei. what�*s hilarious is all these councillors have come in and he was surrounded today by his council leaders who are going to have to take tough decisions. and quite a lot of them found out that quite a lot of these county councils didn't spend a penny on dei. so that's a first cut that they can't make. >> i mean, you can't quantify the damage done by dei because the damage done by dei because the damage done by dei because the damage is manifold. and it's notjust in, you know, direct cost of employing people to enforce dei. the real cost is in progressive discrimination of people into jobs and positions, which they shouldn't hold because they�*re not the best at it. and what we�*re doing is it. and what we're doing is setting aside meritocracy in favour of progressive discrimination. and that has a massive, unquantifiable cost for the country, not to mention all, obviously, all the cultural damage. dei is a fundamentally divisive, pernicious government

policy that has to be ditched. if it�*s. >> not going to pay for a tax, it's not going to pay for increasing by by £10% the tax threshold. >> you can't you can't quantify >> you can't you can�*t quantify it. but the damage done by it is vast. and so if you were to remove it there's bound to be remove it there�*s bound to be upside. it's a bit like ditching net zero again. nigel farage quantified dei as 7 billion a year and he quantified net zero is £10 billion a year. actually, the money will be much, much bigger. the economy will do much better than that, because net zero isn't just the cost of the actual grants being given to renewable energy companies. the cost of net, the true cost of net zero, is all the burdens being foisted on households to insulate offices, to insulate office properties becoming redundant and having to be knocked down perfectly good cars having to be written off ulez charges and so on and so forth. it is a it has a domino effect right across the country, not least of which is the massive cost of energy for industry which hollows out our industry. i agree with you. we need

offshore. >> we need more competitive energy prices. >> but it's not £10 billion. >> but it�*s not £10 billion. we're talking about today. >> nigel, you know what's extraordinary today is that nigel has basically announced a 3.5 billion increase in the welfare bill. >> so that's a very interesting debate. i don't know if we've got to that point. >> what are we talking about? >> what are we talking about? >> this this is removing the two cap on two children. yes. if you have more than two children and you're in receipt of income related benefits, basically universal credit and all its components, then you don't get any extra acknowledgement of that. you don�*t get any extra that. you don't get any extra benefit that. you don't get any extra benefit within the means tested thing. and that's a that's a huge thing, he said. it will increase work. there's actually very little evidence of that. the tories introduced it for a reason. labour's kept it because labour's big thing is to get people off benefit and into work to reskill the british workforce. and yet nigel is trying. i�*m not sure it's been trying. i'm not sure it's been thought through because all the all the polling evidence shows that right of centre voters are very in favour of this cap and they're not against it. and i think it's nigel getting a bit think it�*s nigel getting a bit too clever by half. tactically it's a good idea to put your tanks on labour's lawn, but

whether politically in the medium term it is. if you're annoying some of your supporters, those on slightly higher incomes who don't want to pay the tax to pay for those benefits. >> yeah, but let's be clear then, because if someone from reform was here now, what they would say is right today it was all about kind of setting the direction of travel. so these are the kind of principles that we hold the way that we want to be working towards and so on and so forth. all of these numbers need to be fleshed out and thought through, and all the rest of it, he would say, or reform would say, i'm sure that this whole two child benefit cap, it's all about fostering families, encouraging the birthrate to increase in this country by definition, then reducing immigration and dependence on migrants and things like the workforce. so they would argue that that�*s why. >> a lot of people are in work. >> a lot of people are in work. >> the child benefit, the child benefit >> the child benefit, the child benefit doesn't achieve, or increasing child benefit doesn�*t increasing child benefit doesn't achieve those aims, michel. because effectively, what what happens with child benefit is you're rewarding people who aren't working. nigel farage made a big thing about

representing the working class, and i completely agree with him. you should only be, frankly, in frontline politics if it's the working in middle classes whom you wish to represent. they�*re you wish to represent. they're the people that most matter in the people that most matter in the country in a democracy. but actually when you when you incentivise people to have children, when they�*re not children, when they're not working because this is a dependency related payment. and as you said yourself before we went on air, you can't get it for your children because actually you pay tax. you're actually you pay tax. you�*re precisely the kind of person who should be encouraged to have children. and so it shouldn�*t be children. and so it shouldn't be just the state handing out goodies that that perpetuates the dependency. >> can't get child benefit because i pay tax is that when you get to a. high tax payer. yeah. when you get to a certain level, which by the way, i think is completely wrong, because i think in this country when people become higher or additional taxpayers or whatever it is to then say, actually, you know what, you pay massively and heavfly know what, you pay massively and heavily into the state, but guess what? you can get pretty

much nada out of it. i think thatis much nada out of it. i think that is personally wrong. >> the people, the people we want procreating are the people who are working, who have aspiration, who have desires, and we need to make it easier for them to procreate and have children. and therefore that isn't done through creating, isn�*t done through creating, furthering a massive culture of dependency that we already have in this country. the way to do it is give people tax breaks on having children, on being married, on the family unit and actually. >> you should. they was proposing today. they were talking about incentivising tax wise the institution of marriage. >> but the policy, the policy that was revealed was a deeply damaging policy, which is incentivising those who can least afford it to have children. and by the way, it is the white majority in western countries that are not procreating. there is no shortage of procreation amongst ethnic minorities in the west. >> but that's what he was saying. yeah, but he was, because he was specifically asked that by adam cherry, actually the gb news presenter, i think. have i got time to show

you this clip quickly because adam cherry asked about this. listen. >> just on the detail of. >> just on the detail of. >> what you're announcing today, are you scrapping the benefit cap entirely or you�*re introducing a new cap of 3 or £1 children? and then on the shared family tax allowance, are you putting a figure on that today, or is it just sort of in principle. >> it'll be up to a £5,000 >> it�*ll be up to a £5,000 transferable allowance, which would help say, say one of the parents wanted to spend a bit more time at home in the first 18 months or two years of a child's life, those allowances child�*s life, those allowances could be transferred. it would give people more options and greater flexibility. we are not putting a cap on the number of children i want to re—emphasise. this is not for people to arrive in britain from overseas and have lots and lots of kids. it is designed to help hard working, though slightly low paid british workers. >> but that doesn't address my point. what i said was that it�*s point. what i said was that it's the white majority in western countries who are not procreating. they�*re the ones. procreating. they're the ones. that�*s the population that's dying. ethnic minorities are

growing, you know, quite happily. there's no problem with happily. there�*s no problem with that. and actually, when you couple that with dei, i know nigel farage wants to abolish dei, but when you couple the incentivising of ethnic minorities having children with dei, actually you've got a, you've got a molotov cocktail. >> it's the magic money tree. >> it�*s the magic money tree. i mean, it's actually, you know, as he says, it's not true that as he says, it�*s not true that it would it would go to people who were who, who were available to claim benefits under the benefit to claim benefits under the benefit system, who would get it. you can�*t discriminate on it. you can't discriminate on that basis. and this £5,000 tax free allowance, it's again it's the magic money tree. it can't the magic money tree. it can�*t all be paid for by getting rid deiand all be paid for by getting rid dei and net zero, which is a of dei and net zero, which is a is a complicated issue. it's going to end up with tax rises for the rest of us, and at least we now know what reform stands for. it's fantasy economics. >> it was it wasn't just, you know, cutting down pride flags and stuff like that that he was saying that would fund this. >> it's a good line though, wasn't it, michelle? >> it was. no, i think it was ridiculous. it�*s not true. it was all about reducing quangos, reducing dei, reducing all of the asylum costs. so there was a

whole package of reform. >> the asylum policy was. >> the asylum policy was. >> about 3.5 billion. >> about 3.5 billion. >> it's going to get rid of asylum hotels. what's he asylum hotels. what�*s he actually going to do. people are not going to suddenly start coming because nigel's elected as elected as prime minister and the people in the hotels, what�*s the people in the hotels, what's he going to do, just kick them out in the street, put them at gunpoint back to france? i mean, i mean, i�*m actually asking genuinely. >> andrea jenkyns had a great policy. she said we should put them in tented camps. >> that's not. >> that's not >> that's not >> free under military. no, but it's a lot cheaper than a four star hotel. >> well, there you go. this is a conversation that will rumble on and on, and will have strong opinions 011 at home.

>> hello there. michelle dewberry ben habib and matthew laza with you until 7:00 tonight. look, let's talk tonight. look, let�*s talk skills, shall we? i'm old enough skills, shall we? i�*m old enough to remember that the former labour government was all about education, education, education. well, today know it's all about

well, today know it�*s all about apprenticeships. apparently 120,000 new apprenticeships and training spots across england. this is all about trying to get people back into the trades, if you like, and you�*ve got a bit you like, and you've got a bit of money behind it. £3 billion matt lauer's right move or not. >> absolutely. this is brilliant. this is what the labour government should have been doing. they should have been doing. they should have been talking about this right from the beginning. frankly, i think we can all agree that we need more apprenticeships. we need more apprenticeships. we need to train up. >> why did we send everyone to university then? >> so i think you need you need a skilled workforce, which includes all different types of skills. i think it is the 50% target was fine, but it is. but what? i think. >> it�*s fine. do you not think it's a bit ludicrous that half of the young people need to go. >> to university. >> to university. >> and then end up doing what you end up with, this overqualified entitled as well? i would say workforce that think because they've got a degree because they�*ve got a degree they should be doing x, y and z and then they get a really cold, hard shock when they come out and go, well, actually, these jobs don't even exist. now i've got to flip burgers, and i'm not

happy about it because i've got a21 in basket weaving or whatever. >> and they've got a big amount of debt. so look, i think, i think university absolutely isn�*t for everybody. i think that the that the blair brown government put huge emphasis, as you said, on university and not enough on skilling in the rest of the country. the tories talked a good game, but one of the things they did on apprenticeships is and the big change today is the apprenticeship money was being spent on, effectively training solicitors, effectively white collar workers who many of whom might even have had a degree already. 50 what today's already. so what today's announcement about is about getting it right back into front line skills, focusing particularly on young people and making sure that we don�*t have to import the plumbers, the bricklayers, the hairdressers and the chefs from around the world. >> lee lee says, michelle, you know what? i�*m a self—employed know what? i'm a self—employed decorator in grimsby. i didn't do great at school, but he is loving, i think, what he does now and he says he supports this whole labour policy, even though he says he's not a labour supporter by definition. ben, your thoughts? >> well, i mean, terrific to bring skills back to the united kingdom. i mean, for too long we've turned our back on them in

the pursuit. as you�*ve said, both of you have said, you know, higher tertiary education at universities. but i think we need a more holistic approach to it. first of all, i would d universities, the polytechnics and recreate the polytechnics, you know, that provided a great training ground for various skills. i would also reward small and medium sized businesses that have been hit so hard through the cost of living going up all the requirements for net zero, all the taxes that have been, you know, they've been burdened with and give them tax relief, give them incentives to actually take on people in young people, trained them and hold them for the long term. the only issue i've got with the policy is that a bit like the child benefit payments, it is dependency. again, you know, the government is handing out cash. the government has got to stop handing out cash, and it�*s got handing out cash, and it's got to find mechanisms of enabling businesses, private individuals, whatever, to actually do what's necessary. >> i think the idea is, is.

>> i think the idea is, is. >> it goes to businesses, but then businesses, you know, top it up. and the big change today is they were called level seven. these things where you become an apprenticeship to be a solicitor and actually want an apprenticeship to be workers on the front line. >> i did an apprenticeship. ladies and gents, i've got to tell you, it was the best thing for me, best thing that i ever did. and it gave me such an amazing foundation to progress in my career, craig says. michelle, i�*ve got an idea. michelle, i've got an idea. donald trump would like you, craig, because he�*s suggesting, how about you don�*t tax overtime how about you don't tax overtime in this country? that would get people more productive, it would increase output and so on and so forth, and it would put the money in your back pocket i like it, craig. i'll tell you like it, craig. i�*ll tell you now another story that's got everyone talking. tommy robinson, stephen yaxley—lennon, he was released early today from prison. of course, you know this story by now. lots of you get in touch frequently about it. let's look at a clip of something that he had to say earlier. >> in a country that doesn't believe in free speech, being a citizen journalist, this place is an occupational hazard. it's

ridiculous. >> it's like robinson crusoe, >> it�*s like robinson crusoe, doesn't he, ben habib? i mean, i�*ve got to say, went on to say a lot of other stuff. he thinks he's an enemy of the state. i think if people actually thought they were going to silence him by locking him up, i think they�*ll be surprised. i don't they'll be surprised. i don't think they're going to. your thoughts? >> well, i mean, tommy robinson phenomena i don't think should be looked at through the persona of tommy robinson. what we should be looking at is the, you know, what he's been subjected to and what he's had to put up with in order to have his free speech. and so it's not about tommy robinson. it's about the fact that he was incarcerated for showing this film. and without a doubt in my mind, he was a political prisoner. it was a civil case. absolutely. you're shaking your head, matthew. i am, but it was a civil case for which in which an injunction was placed on him from showing this film about this libyan boy. he breached the injunction, syrian boy. and he breached that injunction. and the right course

of action should have been a rap on the knuckles, a fine or whatever. it should have stayed in the civil domain. but lord hermer, who�*s a terrorist hermer, who's a terrorist supporting illegal migrants. >> he would dispute that. >> he would dispute that. >> he�*s a terrorist supporter. >> he�*s a terrorist supporter. >> terrorist supporter. >> terrorist supporter. >> he is he backed, he backed, he backed gerry adams, he backed gerry adams. and he's trying to change laws in this country. so gerry adams. >> can he's not here to defend himself. >> is he? i'm sure. >> is he? i'm sure. >> but he he is a horrible man. he's a political appointment. he�*s a political appointment. he's the attorney general. and he elevated the case against tommy robinson from being civil effectively to being criminal, and directed the courts to incarcerate tommy robinson. it was a he was a political prisoner. >> tommy robinson. he just wants to film himself as the ultimate influencer. all this theatre of looking like robinson crusoe, you are allowed a safety razor in prison. he clearly wanted to look as bedraggled as possible for maximum impact. >> but would you. >> but would you. >> save your moustache if you were incarcerated? >> i think i might. it might be i could trim it better because i�*d have more time. >> i think. >> i think. >> you�*d look so much more handsome if you shaved. >> it off. oh, it's mixed, mixed views.

>> but the. but i think the issue with tommy robinson is the same. rules apply to him, apply to the rest of us. one thing that slightly confused me is i thought that the reason the sentence had been reduced is because he meant to have shown contrition. there wasn't much contrition. there wasn't much contrition today. i mean, unless i�*m imagining that. i thought that was one of the reasons that the judge gave the other day. i think the best thing to tommy robinson to do is ignore him. >> do you? well, there you go. what will happen next? because i�*ve got to tell you, that story doesn't end any time soon, because already they�*re lining because already they're lining up because already they're lining up the next set of charges against him, aren�*t they? of against him, aren't they? of course, we'll follow that and bring you all the updates on that stuff as it happens. look, when it comes to reform uk, lots of you are getting in touch saying you like the cuts of nigel farage'sjib, but again, you're saying that you want to see the sums add up. lots of you as well. getting in touch saying hang on michelle, what's that you're saying about tattoos on our butt cheeks? surely you don't want to see those, do you? don�*t want to see those, do you? no, i do not want to see. your butt cheeks are absolutely safe. i�*m just saying that, you know, these days we're all trying to outdo each other about how

patriotic we are. anyway, look, i�*ve got to say as well, ben, the guy that you were just talking about there as well. of course, he's not here to defend himself, lord hermon. he would dispute a lot of what you had to say, i am sure. but for now, that's all we�*ve got time for. thank you to my panel. thank you to you at home. have a fantastic night, and i�*ll see you tomorrow night. >> heavy showers first thing will be followed by a warm, cosy day. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news evening. >> welcome to your latest weather update from the met office. >> here on gb news. overall, a bit brighter and a bit drier for most of us tomorrow. feeling a little bit warmer as well. today was a bit dull and dismal for a good chunk of the uk, thanks to this tangle of weather fronts that's now shimmying away. low pressure though still dominating to the north of scotland. still quite breezy here with a few showers but generally clear skies across eastern and southern scotland. and the rain is petering out for most elsewhere. but this line may persist from east anglia across

the midlands into mid and north wales. still some heavy bursts of rain mixed in with that this evening and through the night temperatures. well, we�*ve got the clear skies across scotland. we will dip well down into single figures, but across the south actually staying pretty mild through the night. and generally here a much drier and brighter day, certainly across southern parts of england. but there will be this zone across parts of norfolk, suffolk, through the midlands up towards wales, where it will be pretty dull still, with further outbreaks of rain to come during tomorrow morning. the odd shower elsewhere but overall much drier day for northern ireland. seeing plenty of sunshine today across eastern scotland and a fine start here to come tomorrow. but still some showers coming into northern and western parts of scotland blowing in a brisk breeze, but that wind tending to ease through the day. in fact, for all of us, the winds not as strong. tomorrow there will still be that zone of cloud and showery rain that will drift down towards the london area. so some showers in the southeast for the afternoon. in fact, generally across eastern england, southern scotland, 1 or 2 heavy showers are possible,

but certainly for many it's a it's a much brighter, much drier day. a bit more sunshine and temperatures higher as well. now temperatures higher as well. now temperatures will tick up further come the end of the week. but as you can see, thursday is likely to start pretty grey with further rain. that rain likely to be heavy and quite persistent across scotland and northern ireland, where it will also be fairly breezy in the south, though for england and wales it may well get a bit brighter, staying quite murky around western coast. but some sunny spells are possible and temperatures will be ticking up through this week. bye for now. >> heavy showers first thing will be followed by a warm, cosy day. boxt

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>> very very good evening to you and welcome to gb news tonight with me, your host martin daubney. now there�*s been daubney. now there's been a rumble in the red wall today.

nigel farage throws down the gauntlet to the prime minister, sir keir starmer, challenging him to a toe to toe debate and a working man's club in a former coal mining community. >> why doesn�*t the prime >> why doesn't the prime minister and i go to a working man's club somewhere in the red wall, and we�*ll sit there and we'll let them ask us questions, and you can all come along and coverit and you can all come along and cover it live. >> will the prime minister have the bottle for that battle? and meanwhile, chagossian migrants are arriving in britain in increasing numbers following sir keir starmer's controversial deal to transfer sovereignty of the chagos islands to mauritius, where local councils are now telling gb news they're warning of the need for additional funding to manage the influx. however, a potential political twist is emerging. could this growing chagossian community become a strategic asset for nigel farage's reform uk in the upcoming general election? i'll be joined by chagossians who say

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