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good morning. and welcome to "this week." breaking overnight, two daring raids. under cover of darkness in hostile terrain, u.s. commandos target two of the world's most wanted terrorists, capturing one alive. we have the latest details on the secret strikes. plus -- >> i didn't say it was some damn game. >> six days in, one man stands at the center of the showdown. >> john boehner cannot take yes for an answer. >> john boehner won't let the bill get a yes or no vote. >> this morning, the speaker responds. his first and only interview since the government shutdown. is he ready to change course? put his speakership at risk? or hold firm and put america at risk for default? house speaker john boehner live. it's an abc news exclusive.
plus, analysis and answers from our powerhouse roundtable. it's all here this sunday morning. it is day six of the government shutdown. and house speaker john boehner is here live for his first interview. but we begin with that dramatic day on terror. two raids, two targets. one for the bombings of the u.s. embassies. and one for that deadly attack on the mall in kenya. so many details coming in. and u.s. officials, led by secretary of state john kerry, are claiming mission success. >> the united states of america will never stop in its effort to hold those accountable that conduct acts of terror. and those members of al qaeda and other terrorist organizations, literally can run but they can't hide. >> abc's chief global affairs correspondent martha raddatz, has been tracking all of the developments. martha, officials claiming success.
but the target of that raid in somalia, they can't confirm he was hit. >> we don't know who the target was. but this was s.e.a.l. team 6 going in on a raid in somalia, south of mogadishu. they came in from the indian ocean. they approached the seaside home of this target. an al shabaab target. opened fire. but they met much more resistance than than they thought they would. they had to withdraw. the s.e.a.l.s withdrew. they don't know who was in there at that time. they'll start talking to human intelligence. >> and the hope was they would capture this target. they clearly didn't do that. meanwhile, in libya, a clean capture. >> a clean capture. in an incredible raid, right in downtown tripoli. they went in, teams of cia, fbi and american troops, went in and grabbed this man, abu anas al libi. he was considered the mastermind of the kenya bombing, the u.s. embassy bombing in kenya. we've been looking for him for 15 years, $5 million reward on his head. >> he's going to be brought back to the united states?
>> he will be brought back to the united states to face trial. he's actually been excited. but we believe he's on a navy ship right now. >> thanks very much. let's get more on this from a man who has been an raids like this, former navy s.e.a.l. eric greitens. you've been on raids to capture al qaeda leaders. you actually commanded a special operations task force, based in kenya. take us inside an operation like this. >> inside an operation like this, george, are a couple of elements you have to bring together. the first is really, you have to get actionable intelligence. so, when you're following a target like al libi, and the head of al shabaab, you have intelligence analysts who have been watching them for years. as your intelligence develops, you'll begin to develop scenarios and contingency plans for an assault. in the days leading up to an assault like this, the assault teams would engage in relentless preparation, rehearsal after rehearsal, after-action reviews every time
to learn as much as they can. so, on the day of the operation, they're as prepared as possible for the contingencies they might make on the battlefield. >> it appears as if they met a little more resistance than they expected. had to call in reinforcements. >> absolutely. one of the things you know is that your intelligence picture, no matter how good it is, is never going to be perfect. this case, it sounds like they met more resistance than they expected. it's a complex, difficult situation, fighting on the ground. one of the reasons you use a s.e.a.l. team in a situation like this, is not just because of their tactical proficiency. but you want to have an on the ground commander, who can exercise their judgment about the best course of action. in the al shabaab raid, they decided to pull back and reengage another day. >> at some level, they have to be colored by the experience 20 years ago on blackhawk down, when so many americans lost their lives in that raid. >> that's right, george.
20 years ago, we had the raid in mogadishu. and one of the things that goes into every raid, every planning, you assess the risk. you're assessing the risk that you're going to face on the battlefield. and the commander also wants to be clear about what risks they want to take. in this case, they wanted to make sure that there were not a lot of civilian casualties. they wanted to make sure there was not collateral damage. they might not have been sure about the exact intelligence picture. in a situation like this, a complex, situation, you want the commander on the ground to make the assessment at the moment. >> two raids on the same day. officials call it a coincidence. do you buy that? >> one of the things that's happening in a situation like this is that perhaps coincidental that both of these targets were actionable. but what happens is that you actually want to maintain the element of surprise.
by executes both of the operations at the same time, they made sure that either target was not going to know that american forces were active, that they were responding at the time. so, there's actually a lot of advantages to conducting the raids at the same time. >> eric greitens, thanks very much. let's turn to the speaker of the house, john boehner. he's here live in the studio. you've been briefed on the operations. you can't reveal details. are you confident with success? >> i'm confident that both of the efforts were successful. i'm going to congratulate all of those in the u.s. intelligence operations. our troops, fbi, all those who were involved. the threat of al qaeda and their affiliates remains. and america has continued to be vigilant. and this is a great example of our dedicated forces on the security side, intelligence side, and our military. and our capability to track these people down. >> and it happened despite the
government shutdown. we're in day six of the government shutdown. and democrats are saying, you are the man, the one man in washington who has the power to reopen the government. all you have to do is schedule a vote for a clean government funding resolution. will you do that? >> the house has passed four bills to keep the government open and to provide fairness to the american people under obama care. and even after the senate has rejected -- they've rejected august four of them. and even after the four rejections, we asked to sit down with the senate and have a conversation. they said, no. listen, obama care is a law that's going to increase the cost of health insurance premiums and make it impossible for businesses to hire new people. it's a law that people do not want and cannot afford. >> it's also the law of the land. you've tried many times to defund it. it's simply not working. the answer to my question is --
>> why wouldn't the president provide fairness to the american people. exceptions and waivers to groups of people. but he hasn't given one to the american who are going to suffer under this law. >> i take it from your answer, you're not prepared to schedule a clean vote on government funding right now? >> there's not the votes in the house to pass the clean c.r.? >> are you sure that's true? 190 democrats have signed a letter saying they would vote for it. 21 republicans. 21 house republicans have said they are for it, as well. and democrats are confident, you add those republicans to the democrats, a few more would come along and they have the votes. >> the american people expect washington, when we have a crisis like this, that the leaders will sit down and have a conversation. and i told my members the other day, there may be a back room somewhere. but there's nobody in it. we're interested in having a conversation about how we open the government and how we begin to pay our bills. it begins with a simple conversation. >> you had a conversation at the white house.
and democrats, including senate democrat harry reid, he's more than willing to have a conference. more than willing to have negotiation, but not under the threat of a government shutdown. and not under the threat of a government default. >> so, it's my way or the highway. complete surrender and we'll talk to you. i gave the majority leader how to proceed. i gave him advice over a week ago about how to avert this. and yet, they refuse to do it. >> and he says, and he said it publicly, that you came to him back in july and offered to pass a clean government funding resolution, no obama care amendments. it was $70 billion below what the senate wanted. they accepted it. and now, you've reneged on that offer. >> clearly, there was a conversation about doing this. >> several conversations. >> several. but -- >> and you offered a clean resolution. >> but i and my members decided the threat of obama care and what was happening, was so important, that it was time for us to take a stand. >> did you decide or was it decided for you?
>> i and working with my members decided to do this in a unified way. george, i have 233 republicans in the house. you've never seen a more dedicated group of people who are thoroughly concerned about the future of our country. they believe that obama care, all these regulations coming out of the administration, are threatening the future for our kids and our grandkids. it is time for us to stand -- >> mr. speaker, this is clearly not what you want. i want to go back to several points you made about this over the last few -- here you were right after the election with diane sawyer. >> it's pretty clear that the president was re-elected. obama care is the law of the land. if we were to put obama care into the c.r. and send it over to the senate, we were risking shutting down the government. that's not our goal. >> right there, you say that's not your goal. you don't want to put obama care on the c.r. and yet, you did it. >> i made it clear to my colleagues. i don't want to shut the government down. we voted to keep the government open. but providing -- providing
fairness to the american people, under obama care, is -- all we're asking for. my goodness. they give big businesses a waiver. they give all these unions a waiver. and yet, they're forcing the american people to buy a product, buy a product that they do not want and cannot afford. >> it is the -- the president has pointed out. it's the law of the land. it has been upheld by the supreme court. it was ratified in a presidential election. and perhaps more important to the moment right now, you tried it several times, and it hasn't worked. so, there's no change in your position? >> absolutely not. it's time for us to sit down and have a conversation. that's what the american people expect. that's what i've offered for the last ten days. let's sit down and have a conversation. we've had conversations before. why can't we have one here? >> even some of your own members are saying this is not your strategy. republican congressman devin nunes of california was asked, what is the house strategy right now? you have to call senator ted cruz. i'm not joking about that.
he's the one that set up the strategy. one of your own colleagues are saying this is the strategy of senator ted cruz. >> i thought the fight would be over the debt ceiling. but you know, working with my members, they decided, let's do it now. and the fact is, this fight was going to come, one way or another. we're in the fight. we don't want to shut the government down. we've passed bills to pay the troops. we passed bills to make sure the federal employees know that they're going to be paid throughout this. we passed other bills. >> why should the federal government employees get paid if they're not going to work? wouldn't it be better for them to come to work? >> the last 17 times the government has shut down, the federal employees were paid for the time they were off. this is all about fairness. it's not their fault that the leaders in washington won't sit down and have a conversation. why should they be punished? >> you told me a couple of years ago that members of congress shouldn't be paid during government shutdowns. yet, they are being paid. >> i've asked my pay to be held
during this. and so have a lot of my colleagues. >> how is this going to end? you're clearly not budging right now. even though polls show that most americans blame republicans for the shutdown right now. how long is it going to go on? is the government going to stay shutdown until we reach the debt limit deadline of october 17th? >> well, the debt limit is right around the corner. the president saying, i won't negotiate. i won't have a conversation. even though, president reagan negotiated with democrats who controlled the congress back then. even though president george herbert walker bush had a conversation about raising the debt limit. during the clinton administration, there were three fights over the debt limit. you and i participated in several of those. and even president obama himself, in 2011, went through negotiation. now, he's saying no. i'm not going to do this. i'll tell you what, george. the nation's credit is at risk because of the administration's refusal to sit down and have a conversation. >> they're saying it's a risk because of your refusal to pass
a clean debt limit increase. >> we're not going to pass a clean debt limit increase. i told the president, there's no way we're going to pass one. the votes are not in the house to pass a clean debt limit. and the president is risking default by not having a conversation with us. >> under no circumstances will you pass a clean debt limit? >> we're not going down that path. it is time to deal with america's problems. how can you raise the debt limit and do nothing about the underlying problem? george, we've spent more than what we've brought in for 55 of the last 60 years. this year, the federal government will have more revenue than any year in the history of our country. and we're going to have a $700 billion budget deficit. we're squandering the future for our kids and grandkids, by not dealing with this problem. >> the deficit, as you know, has been coming down this year. i want to press you on this issue of the risks of not passing a clean debt limit? the treasury department put out a report just the other day, that said it would be catastrophic of failing to pass a debt limit.
they go on to say, credit markets could freeze. the value of the dollar could plummet. u.s. interest rates could skyrocket. the negative spillovers could reverberate around the world, and there might be a financial crisis and recession that would echo the events of 2008 or worse. do you agree with that assessment? >> i do. and the president is putting the nation at risk by his refusal to have a conversation. >> let me press that. there have been some reports that you have told your own members that you would be willing to put a debt limit on the floor that would pass with democratic votes, even if it didn't get a majority of the republican caucus. is that no longer true? >> my goal here is not to have the united states default on its debt. my goal is to have a serious conversation about those things that are driving the deficit and the debt up. and the president's refusal to sit down and have a conversation about this is putting our nation -- >> he continues to refuse to negotiate, the country is going
to default? >> that's the path we're on. the president canceled his trip to asia. i assume -- he wants to have a conversation. i decided to stay here in washington this weekend. he knows what my phone number is. all he has to do is call. >> it's october 17th, 8:00 p.m. the clock is ticking towards midnight. the country won't be able to pay its bills anymore. what do you do in that moment? >> no family in america can spend more than what it brings in for 55 of the last 60 years. no family or business in america can survive a $700 billion budget deficit in one year. it is time for us to deal with our underlying spending problems. i'm willing to sit down and have a conversation with the president. but his refusal to negotiate is putting our country at risk. >> the clock is ticking on october 17th. you're not going to put that bill on the floor? >> i want to deal with our underlying problems? >> yes or no, would you put that bill on the floor? >> i don't want the united
states to default on its debt. i'm not going to raise the debt limit without a serious conversation about dealing with problems that drives the debt up. >> it's been reported that you're going to guarantee that we do not default. it sounds like you're not prepared to offer that guarantee. it sounds like you're not prepared to promise you would actually put the bill on the floor. >> i've been willing to sit down with the president and have this conversation. his refusal to negotiate is what's putting the government at risk of default. >> you sit down with the president. what would you offer in that conversation? >> let's look at what's driving the problem. 10,000 baby-boomers like me retiring, every, single day. 70,000 this week. 3.5 million this year. and it's not like there's money in social security or medicare. the government, over the last 30 years, have spent it all. now, we're in this whipsaw effect. this is only year three. this is going to go on for 22 years, as baby-boomers retire. we know these programs are important to tens of millions of americans. if we don't address the
underlying problems -- >> you want a conversation now about changes in social security, changes in medicare, changes in entitlements. would you be willing to accept what the president demanded for that kind of negotiation, having new revenues as part of -- >> the president got $850 billion -- $650 billion of new revenues on january 1st. he got his revenues. now, it's time to talk about the spending problem. >> that's a no? >> we're not raising taxes. >> i'm not hearing much new here this morning. i don't think the country is hearing much new from either the president or from you and house republicans. how is this going to end? >> george, it's going to end when the president decides to allow harry reid to talk to me. or allow patty murray to talk to paul ryan. the president just can't sit there and say, i'm not going to negotiate. >> what the president has said, he believes that the consequences of negotiating over a debt limit and re-creating a cycle of crises are worse. >> every president in modern history has negotiated over a debt limit.
debt limits have been used to force big policy changes in washington. and guess what, george? they're going to be used again. >> is there a way for this to be solved in some kind of a parallel tracks? both of you say you're not going to be giving in on your conditions. but basically, you both do. >> george, i'm ready for the phone call. i'm ready for a conversation. i'll take anybody on the democrats' side who wants to seriously sit down and begin to work out this problem. i'm a reasonable guy. i'm a reasonable guy. but i didn't come to washington to be a congressman. i came here to do something -- >> you're saying this is your absolute position. if the president continues to refuse to negotiate over the debt limit, if democrats refuse to continue to negotiate over the government shutdown, the government is going to remain closed and the united states is going to default? >> the president -- the president, his refusal to talk, is resulting in a possible default on our debt. all he has to do is pick up the phone. this is the most reasonable
thing in the world. i think the american people understand, why wouldn't they talk to each other? i'm ready to talk. i've been ready to talk. >> when is this going to end? >> if i knew i would tell you. >> mr. speaker, thank you very much for your time. up next, our powerhouse roundtable is ready to weigh in. and later, how reddit became the internet front page. that's our "sunday spotlight." let's do our homework. ♪ let's look out for each other. let's look both ways before crossing. ♪ let's remember what's important. let's be optimistic. but just in case -- let's be ready. toyota. let's go places, safely.
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this government shutdown is ridiculous. and it's bad. >> dear, congress, i think you should write a check out of your own personal paychecks to pay back the $300 million a day you're losing the american people. >> i want for the president and congress to get their job done. people don't get around to get paid to do nothing. >> the people in washington, d.c., grow up. >> all week long, we've been asking what you would tell
washington. get the roundtable's take in a moment. first, let's a response to speaker boehner, from senator
chuck schumer, part of the leadership team in the senate. thanks for joining me this morning. you heard speaker boehner right there. he is not going to put a clean resolution on the floor. and not going to put a vote for a clean debt resolution on the floor unless the democrats start to negotiate. >> first, the speaker said there aren't the votes on the floor to reopen the government. let me issue him a friendly challenge. put it on the floor monday or tuesday. i would bet there are the votes to pass it. we have just about every democrat, 21 republicans have publicly said they would. there are many more republicans who said that they privately would. so, speaker boehner, just vote. put it on the floor and let's see if you're right. on the debt ceiling, i think there's a bit of posturing going on here. to have us default could -- and there's a pretty high chance -- send us into a recession, deeper than the one in 2008, george, for one simple reason. once the markets have to mark down a major security they hold, in 2008, it was housing
securities. now, it's u.s. treasuries, held more widely, then, banks' balance sheets get out of whack. interest rates go up, people stop lending, lines of credit freeze and you
risk a depression. i believe speaker boehner will not do that. >> isn't your posturing, senator, on both sides, perhaps. the president's saying at this point, that negotiating over the debt limit is worse -- the consequences are worse than actual default. he's playing with fire isn't he? >> they're playing with fire. you don't negotiate with something like -- >> presidents have done it. >> no. the one time that it was really done in this kind of way, not just it was a deadline and you have to decide or something else, was in 2011. the stock market lost 2,000 points. $18 billion was lost by the american people. and in that case, the markets
didn't believe it was true. now, they are, because of their brinksmanship on federal spending and the kind of language that speaker boehner used. you could have the consequences of default a day or two before it actually occurs. this is playing with fire. and we are happy to negotiate. we want to negotiate without a gun to our head. speaker boehner comes in and says, basically, it's sort of like this. someone goes into your house, takes your wife and children hostage. and then, says, let's negotiate over the price of your house. you know, we could do the same thing on immigration. we believe strongly in immigration reform. we could say we're shutting down the government, we're not going to raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform. >> i know you believe, senator, that the speaker is going to blink, that the house republicans are going to blink. >> i do. >> if they do not, what happens on october 17th? is it preferable to have the default than the negotiations? >> the negotiation you have is one with a gun held to your head. it will lead to a future negotiation like that and a future one. if you go for this
hostage-taking once, and the president did in 2011, it doesn't go away. it comes back worse and worse and worse. and the whole full faith and credit in the united states currency and the united states dollar, goes down the drain. it's the damage that's far greater than the damage that speaker boehner seeks so undo by somewhat reducing the budget deficit. and we're willing to talk to him about budget deficit. leader reid already gave him his budget number when we talked about the resolution funding the government. we gave him his number. and then, he said obama care. he keeps throwing different things at the wall. and we know the reason why. ted cruz and the hard right republicans are holding him hostage, in effect. and right up until now, he hasn't had the courage or strength to resist them. sooner or later, he'll be forced to, particularly on the debt ceiling because the business community, which still has some weight with mainstream republicans and his party, will
put huge crowd with him. and as we get closer, the blame will come on speaker boehner and the
republican party. they have to back off. >> they could go for several days. >> let's get the roundtable's take. i'm joined by paul gigot. et editor of "the washington journal." steve ratner, former counselor for the treasury suspect. abc's cokie roberts and jon karl. and soledad o'brien, formerly of cnn. thanks for joining us this morning. paul, i have to tell you. i'm surprised what i heard this morning. i was expecting about six days in, a little more give, maybe just a little more give from either side. nothing. >> well, i think the speaker is being honest when he says he doesn't want to default. i don't think he wanted a shutdown, either. he got a shutdown. we got a shutdown. why? because he's caught between the president's refusal to negotiate at all, and his part of his party base which looks at that and says, why should we
negotiate? he's caught in the middle. what you saw was a negotiating position, but a firm one. and i think the -- >> the negotiating position, six days in and closing in fast on default. >> he's playing with fire. so is the president. i mean, you said, the president -- the presidents in the past have negotiated. 53 debt limit increases since 1978. and 27 of those were not clean. they were not just raise the debt limit. they included reforms. often important budget reforms. that's what this speaker wants. if the president refuses to negotiate, he may think, this is great. the republicans are going to get the blame. but we go over that edge, he will, too. >> cokie, the president's not moving. >> at least at the moment, he's not moving. neither side is moving. that's where we are. and the american people think they're are bunch of kids playing in the sand box. and neither side is covering itself with glory. i might say the whole business of we won't negotiate with a gun to their head. i would prefer them negotiate with a gun to my head than have someone shoot me. that's where they could end up if they don't sit down and talk. both sides really do need to -- i've got to believe that there
is something in back pockets, even if there's nobody in a back room. there's something in the back pocket. >> jon karl, you're at the white house every, single day. from the reporting i've done on both sides, i don't think there's a back pocket. >> there isn't. the white house view on this, they can get complete and total victory on this. the republicans have, frankly, misbehaved. they mishandled the politics. what's the great republican accomplishment so far? they've managed to pay 800,000 federal workers for not working. the white house believes they can have basically demand unconditional surrender on the part of the republicans. and politically -- the danger here, george, is at the end of the day, if the consequences are as great as the white house says, this could put us into a recession as bad as 2008, then at the end of the day, republicans may take the political blame in the short-term. but it's the president's economy. >> let me ask steve rattner on this.
you worked inside this administration. also, spent many years on wall street. one of the things that's surprised me is wall street, at least not yet, just doesn't believe we're going to default. >> correct. wall street doesn't believe we're going to default. wall street doesn't believe the shutdowns are consequential economically. but you heard senator schumer say, if you go back to 2011, when we almost did default, got downgraded by s&p, the stock market did drop by 16% over a short period of time. there are demonstrable examples of where business confidence, consumer spending, things like that, were affected. what i found interesting about the boehner interview was, in the middle of it, he stopped talking about obama care and started talking about debts and deficits. so, he seems to be pivoting, saying we want to have a conversation about debt and deficits. >> moving off the obama care position. >> without moving off it yet. and then, you heard senator schumer made a point that i would have made. you can't negotiate when somebody is kidnapping your children. obama was not going to negotiate about obama care. talking about debt and deficits is a conversation you can have. but you have 11 days. you're not going to have a serious conversation in 11 days. >> you can agree to have a
conversation about it. >> soledad o'brien, the country getting fed up. >> it's ridiculous. you saw the clips of the people really frustrated because nobody's talking. i do think it comes to who's going to get the blame finally. and if in fact you go into catastrophe, everybody gets the blame. maybe that will propel everybody to start working together. it was interesting to hear boehner. you pushed him hard on this, it was his decision. it was not ted cruz's decision. it was his decision. >> he was countering me. >> about a ton of evidence countering that. that was really interesting he was saying, this is my decision here. and you're right. a pivot. >> the other big news from your interview, he confirmed that he had a deal with harry reid to have this temporary funding bill. clean. that was their intention. that was the republican leadership's contention. the republicans own this shutdown. you have never seen a situation where you have a short-term stop-gap spending bill that is just to give them more time to do their job.
>> we get a default, it will be a merger. there is a way out here, george. you heard the speaker say he mentioned paul ryan and patty murray. the budget chairman in the house and the senate. they have been talking behind the scenes. they've been saying, basically, not a lot of negotiations. but there's a path of regular order, if the president would agree to say, look, i will talk to you about entitlements in return for getting rid of the spending sequester. that's pushing down spending on education and -- >> steve ratner says the white house is no way they're getting into a real conversation, that includes entitlements unless new revenues are on the table. you heard the speaker, that's not going to be the conversation. >> you took the words out of my mouth.
you have to have a package, it has to include everything. on this issue of who is not negotiating with whom, let's remember, the house passed a budget in the spring. the senate passed a budget in the spring. the republicans refused that to go to conference. and had the negotiations we could have had starting last spring and not be in the position we're in today. >> but when -- who's winning, which, of course, is part of what's driving the american people crazy. the republicans who are objecting in the house are doing just fine in terms of their own districts. and they've got -- you know, they won elections, too. and they won elections by bigger margins than the president did. as far as they're concerned, they're doing what their voters want. now, they're putting these things on the floor, where the democrats are having to vote for veterans benefits and all that. and they feel they're making great ads for the fall campaign in the very few districts there are competitive races. so, from their perspective, it's not that terrible. >> so many of them are also saying they feel okay about not raising the debt ceiling. you're going to have a problem.
the congressman from florida, who said something like, it would bring stability to the marketplace, if we defaulted on our debt. this is kind of the same. >> clearly, the republican leadership does not agree with that. that's what i want to bring back to paul gigot. you heard senator schumer say, when big business kicks in, that will force republicans to move. i sense your skepticism. >> i don't think big business counts that much for those folks. what counts for something is what the marginal seat republicans will say and what could happen to them if the republicans get a blame -- get the blame for an economic problem. they're the ones who could cost the house the republicans the majority in the house. and that's where i think the -- some of these people, peter king. but also people in washington, shawn duffy. those are swing seats. they will pay the price if republicans lose this showdown in the public opinion. >> let me press you on what might be a way out. paul gigot offered one possibility.
you've raised the prospect of a cuban missile crisis-style solution. and where both sides figure out a way to move off their positions, even when they're not admitting to it. >> the cuban missile crisis, the firm position of jfk. unconditionally, those missiles must leave cuba. and they did leave. and six weeks later, u.s. missiles moved out of turkey. the republicans at this point, have gotten themselves into this dark alley, into this box. they need a way out. they cannot unconditionally surrender. the white house, the danger for the white house is they are so convinced they have the upper hand. and they do right now. absolutely have the upper hand. but they will overplay that and force -- to a self-destructive move. >> what's the point of that? what is the point of the white house pushing them so hard -- >> the point is that they believe this whole brinksmanship that the whole notion of threatening default has changed the balance of power. if one party in congress, one
group in congress, can force the president to make big concessions because they're threatening to blow up the economy, it would -- they almost think that is it worth going into default. >> it is worth going into default. >> i'm not sure the white house thinks it's worth going into default. the republicans have asked for a, b, c -- from the excel pipeline to issues around abortion, debts. all the stuff. and the white house is saying, what's in it for us? all we want to do is keep the government running. you want a bigger deal, you put stuff on the table and we'll put stuff on the table. but not give the republicans a bunch of stuff just to avoid default. >> and i think you hear that in what speaker boehner said. we had to stand our ground. but harry reid is not moving. you can't argue both of those things simultaneously. >> there's another part of the calculation from the white house's point of view. that's the 2014 elections. the last time i was here,
the president may want a shutdown because his agenda -- >> he cannot want default. >> he doesn't want default. but he does want to go right up to the edge of default because he needs something -- i think he feels my agenda's going nowhere. i'm down in the polls. i have to do something. what can i do? i can take back the house in 2014. and go out -- >> the president went to ted cruz and said, i want the house republicans -- that's ridiculous demands on the table so we can shut down the government. >> this is the week that obama care rollout. it's a three-year story. what i'm saying is this gets to how the republicans have mishandled everything. they could be scoring points over and over again, talking about the problems with obama care. >> a quick break. i want to get a prediction from all of you. i also want to talk about the redskins. the president weighed in on whether the washington redskins should be called that. we're going to talk about that when we come back, in just a minute. working people.
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you can see the effects of the shutdown all over town. president obama, now down so just one teleprompter. the tsa, they're making them fondle and grope themselves. it's so bad, iran will be forced to negotiate with dennis rodman. >> a new fox news poll shows the republican party has jumped to 59%. and that's a fox news poll. that's like the real news saying it's 3,000%. >> this isn't armageddon. this is a pinprick. >> yes, a government shutdown is no more damaging than a pinprick. okay?
for instance, this is the economy. here's the shutdown. see? >> oh, my gosh. the government shutdown, t-ball for late-night comedy. since we've been talking here, the white house has already responded to speaker boehner's interview and the contention that there aren't enough votes to pass a clean c.r. either he is all wrong or his members are lying. more evidence that neither side is prepared to budge. it seems likes this is going to go on for at least a few more days. if we get up to the deadline on october 17th, we're in the final day, which side is going to blink? are there going to be negotiations? are we going to go into default? who will get the blame? >> i think if we get up to the limit, the speaker will put on the table probably an extension of the debt limit, raising it for five, six weeks. and then, probably will attach something to it to get it through his members. maybe the president's
entitlement reforms in his own budget. see if the senate democrats will vote for that, try to get this extended. but we're being reasonable. come back to the table. and -- >> that's at the last minute, there's no time for negotiation. >> he may start a couple of days early. but that's i think how things are going to go in the short-term. and we can redo this all again in november. >> i think that's essentially what happens. first of all, the negotiations for 30 years. they always go to the deadline. we will be here at 8:00 on october 17th, i think. and then there will be a short-term extension, coupled with give on both sides. and an announcement of a serious commitment to have conversations about the whole budget picture. and we'll see in six weeks what happens. >> so, nobody is accused of blinking, and that's what these scenarios lay out. people have a face-saving way to move on. >> but there's no reason to have total confidence in that.
i agree that that's the likely scenario. there's no reason to think it's necessarily going to be that way. the republicans will try, maybe only a two-week or three-week extension. and i don't know if democrats are going to go along with it. >> just to be clear, the president gave an interview to a.p. over the weekend, where he appeared not to rule out some kind of action on his own, citing the 14th amendment to unilaterally continue to honor america's obligations. but everyone at the white house says, no, he is out of unilateral. >> and jay carney said emphatically no. and he has also said the white house believes they do not have the power to do that. and they also believe it would not work. so, it will be an interesting dance if they try to do that. george, they may be able to blame the speaker on this. but if it brings this recession, and brings something catastrophic, who was the speaker of the house in 1929? paul knows it was longworth. the president owns it. >> the blame will go everywhere. when you read piper's tweet, is he lying or is he just wrong? that's kind of the problem. not very mature.
it's going to go right to the end. everyone's going to have to save face so they can end with the back and forth. they won't go over. >> i think i agree with all of you. but i'm a little bit more with jon. the chances of tripping over default are higher than they've been. one other subject, the president weighing in on the controversy over whether the washington redskins should be called. a lot of sportswriters no longer use the term. the chairman of the nfl, roger goodell, say, perhaps the redskins should take a look at it. here's the president yesterday. if i were the owner of the team, i would think of changing. all of these mascots and team names related to native americans. native americans feel pretty strongly about it. and i don't know if the attachment to a particular name should override the concerns. cokie, you're a season ticker holder, right? >> i am. my biggest objective is if they lose. we wouldn't call a team the yellow skins or the brown skins. it would be unacceptable.
if people who are native american are offended by it, we should pay attention to it. but basically, they should start winning. >> the way to gauge this offensive. is to walk into a bar full of native americans and yell out redskins. you're going to be beaten up, to near death. it's offensive. >> the owner of the redskins his attorney, says he keeps citing a poll that says nine out of ten native americans weren't offended about it. >> and overall americans are not offended by it. but if you actually did that test, and if you walk did that test, you would find that people have strong opinions about it. it's been a long time. or it should be shouted with joy and pride. the people that are offended are offended. >> i won't take your test. >> i won't try it, either. as a dallas cowboys fan, i hope they change the name. i'm happy to give a lot of suggestions. if it's offensive. and it clearly is offensive to a group of people. you have to look at changing the name. >> so many people weighing in,
steve rattner. but the owner of the redskins, holding firm, even though he's getting all kinds -- >> money. >> he's a very tough guy. might be like john boehner, you hang tough until you can't anymore. the name that's available, is the old baseball name, the washington senators. but that might be even more -- >> one thing to change it from redskins, you'd offend a lot of people, paying customers, just like that. but to name it after politicians. they boo politicians when they throw out the first pitch. and deservedly so. as for the president weighing in. obviously, people want to know what he would say. i would say, right now, he's got a day job he should pay attention to, where he's not really managing -- >> that's the question. >> yeah. thanks for the advice, sir. how about your own problems? >> the bigger problem these days might be putting washington in front of anything. that's not going to change anytime soon.
and our "sunday spotlight" today on alexis ohanian. you may not have heard his name before. but if you watched a viral video, there's a good chance it created on his website, reddit. it's taken the web by storm. and it all started in ohanian's dormroom. abc's rebecca jarvis brings his story. >> reporter: reddit calls it self
the internet's front page. where videos go viral. ♪ this is major tom >> reporter: where the president will agree to answer anything. all brought to you by the man dubbed the mayor of the internet, alexis ohanian, who with co-founder steve huffman, started the website eight years ago, while students at the university of virginia. >> reddit is a platform for online communities to share links and have discussions. >> reporter: does it look like you envisioned it years ago. >> i wanted to make something that worked. it was me and steve in a little apartment, with laptops, who were told by lots of important people that we were rounding errors. and you know what? we ate it up. we ate it for breakfast. it was motivation. >> reporter: motivation that sparked an internet sensation. reddit's signature is the amas, or ask me anything session, attracting stars like tom hanks, bryan cranston. >> thanks for welcoming me to reddit. >> reporter: and seth rogen. who would you like to see do one? >> i would love to get jay z. >> reporter: and reddit recently broke through the 80 million
user mark, giving users power to turn a link or video viral in seconds, just by voting it to the site's front page. what's the secret to getting there? >> the secret is good content. at the end of the day, it's having great content. >> reporter: but reddit has come under fire for allowing users to post illicit photos. and after the boston marathon bombing, several combed through online video to search for a suspect and identified the wrong person. who is responsible for that? >> those people. i think -- >> reporter: you don't think that the companies that create the forums for those people, are responsible? >> we always have to hold the people accountable, not the platforms themselves. this is a problem of humans, right? journalists, the best trained, smart people in the world, have made the same mistakes before. i'm happy with reddit's stance in coming out and apologizing for it. >> reporter: ohanian has sold his stake in reddit. but he continues on the
company's board. and he also invests in and advises more than 50 start-ups. his new memoir, part autobiography, part how-to guide for those looking to join him in the internet boom. what do you think is the biggest mistake of people trying to start companies today are making? >> they get caught up with the idea. it's sort of called launcherpreneurship. it's all a remix. and everyone has great ideas. and what matters is execution. so, so many people who decide, all right, i'm going to start this thing, never get to building something and presenting it to users. >> reporter: you said this is just the tip of the iceberg, though, in terms of the internet? so, what does the future look like? >> i wish i knew. there are people right now all over who are just a step away from actually getting started on the next great thing. and i really want them to because i want better stuff. >> reporter: for "this week," rebecca jarvis, abc news, new york. >> thanks to rebecca for that. and you can read an excerpt of alexis ohanian's new book.
"without their permission," on our website, abcnews.com/thisweek. now, to news from afghanistan. and the pentagon did not announce any deaths of service members in afghanistan this week. that's all for us. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news" with david muir tonight. and i'll see you tomorrow on "gma."
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