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good morning, and welcome to "this week." new year, new drama. big showdowns ahead in washington. after a damaging year of conflict, can president obama and the congress find a path to compromise? or will midterm elections dictate the agenda? we'll debate with rising gop star rand paul and top democrat chuck schumer. plus, new york's new mayor came out shovels and swinging. >> when i said i would take aim at the tale of two cities, i meant it. >> that, and all of the week's politics on our powerhouse roundtable. and -- the navy s.e.a.l.s' lone survivor. as hollywood takes on america's hidden heroes, our experts take us inside the
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special ops of our military. all right here this sunday morning. happy new year, everyone. and for so many of you this morning is a frigid one. half of the country from the great lakes to the gulf coast, from the rockies to the west coast, the national weather service calls the temperatures life-threatening. its record-breaking cold not seen in decades and another arctic storm is on the way. let's get right to gio benitez in chicago. >> reporter: good morning, george. it's so cold here that so many people here are calling chiberia the snow just hammering us, too. now that wind, too. all morning long. take a look, it may look like a gorgeous skating rink, but this is actually a harbor, this is lake michigan. i want to show you some of these maps right now, take a look at just how many cities are being affected by this dangerous cold. warnings from rapid city, to
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minneapolis, to buffalo, and what's really concerning these wind chills tomorrow morning, look at that. some areas will see temperatures at 61 below zero. the kind of numbers that we haven't seen here in years. and even southern cities will be feeling the bitter cold. look at those temperatures drop. birmingham, 7 degrees tuesday morning. atlanta, 6 degrees. and once we reach tuesday morning, we're still going to see some of those subzero temperatures in the midwest. george, it's going to be a frigid couple of days here all over the place. >> so much of the country affected, gio. as the national weather service reminds us, these temperatures can be dangerous. >> that's right. you know, that frostbite is the biggest concern right now. you got to make sure to cover those ears, fingers and toes, really, it can take just five minutes in those extreme temperatures for frostbite to set in. it can be deadly. >> thank you, gio. right in the middle of that deep freeze, green bay's lambeau field.
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site of the ice bowl in 1967. thousands of die-hard fans in for another bone-chiller today. green bay's mayor joins us. mayor, you look like you're ready for the occasion, all decked out. as gio was just saying, this cold can be deadly, what kind of precautions are taking for the fans? >> we have taken quite a few. we have been really good about notifying the fans that this is going to be one of the coldest games here at green bay, we do encourage them to use the heated concourse, the atrium, we're giving out hand warmers to the fans who sit outside, as well as hot chocolate and coffee. >> it could also be treacherous for the players, as well, that field could get rock hard. >> it is. that's something that the packers have been talking about, it was covered earlier, it's uncovered now, but we play in these parts.
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i think we're going to be okay, as long as lacy gets his footing, he'll be in good shape. >> green bay certainly has the home field advantage with that extra cold here, today, are you going to win that bet with the san francisco mayor? >> i think we will. it's going to be a good game and a tough game for our packers but i think we're going to win this game by about three. i think we're more concerned about the 49ers fans. and make sure they're properly dressed. i think the teams are going to play their best. >> okay, mayor, thank you very much for your time. we're going to washington now, back to work this week. can they get anything done before this year's midterm elections? abc's jeff zeleny starts us off. good morning, jeff. >> reporter: good morning, george. on capitol hill this year, there's one number that stands out above all others -- six. that's how many seats republicans need to take control of the senate and take over president obama's second-term agenda.
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with the senate majority up for grabs, every issue comes with campaign fireworks. up first this week, a showdown over a three-month extension of long-term unemployment benefits. just this weekend, the president urged lawmakers to get on board. >> republicans should make it their new year's resolution to do the right thing and restore this vital economic security. >> reporter: we met kathy biscotti of baltimore, one of americans whose benefits expired late last year, she's looking for a new job. and asking congress for help. >> i'm not saying that it should last forever, but we need more time. what are we supposed to do in the meantime? >> reporter: some republicans say it's time to end the relief which has been in place since the economic collapse of 2008. and that's not the only showdown ahead. from new scrutiny on government surveillance, to another battle over raising the debt ceiling, there's immigration and familiar clashes over obamacare.
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the law, now in effect, is once again being used against vulnerable democrats. >> keep your insurance if you like it. >> reporter: for democrats, income equality is another theme. the president calling for an increase in the minimum wage. as for republicans, they may have a stronger political hand if they can refrain from fighting one another. party leaders tell me they still worry those simmering feuds with the tea party could be the biggest thing standing in the way of winning those six elusive seats and taking control of the senate. george? >> okay, jeff, thanks very much. and with that, let's get to one of gop's rising stars, senator rand paul. happy new year to you, thank you for joining us. >> good morning. >> you guys are going to begin right away this week, by extending benefits to the unemployed. president obama yesterday says it's cruel to deny those benefits. he wants a vote right now. and the house speaker john
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boehner says that he's open to it if the benefits are paid for, i know you have been opposed to it in the past, but if his conditions are met, can you support the extension? >> well, i think what's really call is to have an economy that doesn't have jobs in it, so we have to talk about what policy creates jobs. with regards to unemployment insurance, i'm not opposed to that, i'm opposed to having it without paying for it. i think it's wrong to borrow money from china. i'm not against having unemployment insurance. i do think, though, the longer you have it, it provides dis disencentive to work. there are many studies indicate this. we have to figure out to create jobs and keep people from becoming long-term unemployed. >> but are you saying now, that if this extension is paid for you could support it? >> well, what i have always said
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it needs to be paid more, but we also have to do something for long-term unemployed people. and that is, we need to create something new that creates job. what i would like to do, when we get back, if we extend it, we pay for it. i have been promoting economic freedom zones. any area that has unemployed we would dramatically lower taxes. to try to spur and stimulate the program there. >> another controversy over this nsa. you announced on friday that you're going to filing a class-action lawsuit against the agency. this issue is already making its way through the courts. so, why is this lawsuit necessary? >> well, the thing is, is that the point is, that one single warrant should not apply to everyone who has cell phone in america. one of the things that snowden released was a single court
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order to the company verizon, that all of the records would be looked at, that's a generalized warrant. so, i think by bringing a class-action suit, where we have hundreds of thousands of people who come forward and say, my cell phone records are mine unless you go to a judge and ask a judge specifically for my records, you shouldn't be able to have a general warrant. i think the idea of having a class-action lawsuit really beats home and brings to the forefront the idea that this is a generalized warrant and it should be considered unconstitutional. >> this issue of clemency also back in the news for edward snowden. the "new york times" said, considering the enormous value of the information he has revealed and the abuses he has exposed, mr. snowden deserves better than a life of permanent exile, fear and flight. he may have committed a crime to do so, but he has done his country a great service. i want to know where you stand on this. a couple of months ago, we talked about this, you said we didn't know enough then.
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on friday, it may be an idea for edward and james clapper to share a prison cell. is clemency for snowden now off the table as far as you're concerned? >> the reason i said that was to make a point that we can't selectively apply the law. so, james clapper did break a law and there is a prison season sentence for that, so did mr. snowden. i don't think that mr. snowden deserves a death penalty or life in prison. do i think it's okay to leak secrets and give up national secrets and things that could endanger lives? i don't think that's okay, either. the courts are now saying that what he revealed was something that the government was doing was illegal. he if they served in a prison cell together we would become
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further enlightened over the country. >> you have taken heat for making that comparison. i want to clarify here, you're saying no clemency for edward snowden, but perhaps leniency? >> well, i think the only way he's coming home is if someone would offer him a fair trial with a reasonable sentence. we have had people all over the news, some of the same people defending james clapper lying to congress, off with his head, he should be hung from the nearest tree, i don't think that's appropriate. in the end, history is going to judge he revealed great abuses of our government and great abuses of our intelligence community. james clapper, in lying to congress, really, seriously destroyed the credibility of our intelligence agencies. i actually give them the benefit of the doubt. i don't think james clapper is a bad person.
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i think he's a patriotic person who wants to stop terrorism. i don't think he was a bad person. by lying to congress he made us doubt and believe maybe the government could be listening to our phone calls, even though they tell us they're not. >> your opposition to obamacare has been no secret, but i understand now that the issue has also become personal for you, is it true you had trouble signing up for obamacare and you're not sure your family is covered? >> at this point i'm unsure. the other day i tried to get my son signed up through the kentucky exchange. i have here my son's medicaid card. we didn't try to get him medicaid. i'm trying to pay for his insurance. they automatically enrolled him in medicaid. for a month they wouldn't talk to us because they weren't sure he existed. he had to go down to welfare office, prove his existence. next thing we know we get a medicaid card. i'm trying to pay for insurance and can't pay for it and i'm
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uncertain now whether i'm enrolled d.c. and/or kentucky. and it's a mess. i keep getting an error code every time i go in, it won't let me edit my policy to try to make sure that my family is covered. this is an unfolding disaster. that i don't think gets better any time soon. >> final question, i wan to get you on the record on immigration, our next guest senator chuck schumer in new york is confident that it will get done this year, is he right? can you support speaker boehner's call for a series of measures on immigration? >> the reason, and i have had this conversation with senator schumer before, the reason it has failed is that, the senate bill that he proposed, actually limited work visas. i'm for very expansive work visas. there is a debate, though, over
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citizenship and how quickly. i don't think the house is ready for citizenship. so, really, the question to democrats is, will you do halfway? are you willing to bring the 11 million people who are here, bring them out of the shadows, give them an existence and try to get them a better situation? that could happen tomorrow. the problem is, the sticking point, are we going to have to immediate voting privileges for those who came here illegally? that's more of a sticking point. if they're willing to come halfway, i think we're able to pass meaningful reform for the 11 million that are here. let's bring that question to senator chuck schumer. what's the answer? >> it's likely we'll get immigration reform this year, the reason is simple, i think, there are large parts of the republican party that want this, businesses, evangelical churches, high-tech growers, so
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it's not like some of the budget issues where all of the republicans are on one side. second thing, the republican leadership realizes that if we don't do immigration and get immigration reform done, it hurts them politically. it made a difference in them not taking back the senate in 2012 and it made a difference in the obama election in 2012, and i think it's hit home in a much harder way now. finally, you want to get the economy going? cbo said that our bipartisanship immigration bill would raise gdp 3.5%. that's more than any republican program of cutting taxes or any democratic program of spending. i think it's going to happen. what was indicative, i think, was the budget debate. for the first time speaker boehner said he's not going to let the minority of his caucus tea party minority, run the show. they're the people who have been opposed to immigration reform. many of the mainstream conservatives in the senate are for it. i think it's likely we're going
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to get a bill this year. >> i heard a glimmer of hope from senator rand paul also on unemployment benefits. senator paul would be willing to support that. is that the answer? >> well, it's not the only answer, but we're going to bring unemployment insurance up on monday, we hope our republican colleagues will join us, if they don't -- >> the current bill isn't paid for -- >> the current bill is a three-month bill, not hurt people that need this. most of the people that i meet who are on unemployment have worked for 25 years. i think it's a bit insulting to american workers when rand paul says that unemployment insurance is a disservice, they want to work, they don't want unemployment benefits. they're just hanging on with unemployment benefits. you cut them off, they may lose the house they
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paid for, it may take their kids out of college. i hope he would reconsider, pass the three-month extension. it's going to be an election in 2014. i would make this larger point, the tectonic plates of our politics have changed. two issues that have dominated are, health care and budget deficit. this year, dealing with declining middle-class income and not enough job growth, will be the number one issue. if, on the first day of the new session, the republican party say they won't support the unemployment extension, they're going to show themselves so far out of the mainstream it's going to hurt them in the election. >> your analysis shows that the economy is going to turn on obamacare. are you confident it will be working? >> i am. look at new york, it's working well in new york. we didn't have a federal exchange, we had a state plan. we had 16 insurance companies competing.
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we're ahead of projections, and i hear from people left and right, i'm getting much better health care now than i had before. that's going to start happening around the country. at the same time, the 75% to 85% of people who aren't affected by the individual insurance because they either medicare or medicaid, are going to find the parade that right-wing talk radio put out, aren't going to happen. the assets over 2014 are going to increase. the liabilities are going to decrease. but all of it will be dwarfed by the issue, who's going to get middle-class incomes rising again? they dropped over the last decade. that's why the middle class is so angry and sour. that inequality also being addressed by the new new york mayor, bill de blasio this year in his inauguration this week, the
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centerpiece of his plan is to increase taxes to pay for education. you haven't come out in support of this? >> i support an increase in taxes at the federal level from 35% to 39%. it's a more difficult issue at the state level because people can leave and go to connecticut or new jersey or somewhere else. so, i left it to them. >> you support it or not? >> i'm leaving it up to de blasio and cuomo out of this one. finally, clemency for edward snowden? >> no, i don't believe so. snowden said that he's in the grand tradition of civil disobedience in this country. it is a grand tradition. part of that tradition, you pay the consequences, if you break the law because your conscience says you have to, you stand trial and pay the consequences. that's what martin luther king jr. did. so, what snowden ought to do is come back and stand trial. and face the consequences and he'll have his ample opportunity
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to say why he did what he did. and all of that. and you know, there are a lot of dispute and a lighter sentence? >> i disagree with rand paul that we should plea bargain with him prior to him coming back. if he's truly in the tradition of civil obedience, he comes back and faces the trial and the consequences that the government says he should. george, there are a whole lot of issues that dispute, how much does metadata helps us in the war on terror? the administration says a lot. the critics say no. how much damage did snowden do in hurting our agents? we don't know the details. and how is the data used? were american citizens in the content particularly of their -- of their logs and metadata was content listed without a warrant? all of this could come out in trial. it would be beneficial for the country to have the discussion.
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we are called to put an end to economic and social inequalities that threaten to unravel the city we love. >> it's only the tip of the iceberg in fixing our deeply keynesian justice system.
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>> the decrepit homeless shelters and housing developments stand in the shadows of condos. >> so, today, we commit to a new progressive direction in new york. >> that was the inauguration of new york mayor bill de blasio this week. i'm joined by bill kristol, editor of the weekly standard. cokie roberts from abc. ben smith, the editor-in-chief of buzzfeed. and brian schweitzer. and republican strategist and cnn contributor, ana navarro. bill, let's start out with what we heard from senator rand paul and senator chuck shurm. i don't want to overstate this, you started to see some optimism on a couple of fronts there could be cooperation between the two parties. >> i think there should be. co-sponsoring a bill. challenging the obama administration on iran.
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there have been democrats that have voted for delaying parts of obamacare. they're deciding to separate themselves from the obama administration. it's amazing how strong the white house has been. you've been in the white house. obama has been very successful at keeping democrats alive. i think one of the big stories, is can he do that issue after issue? >> outside groups are still going to play a role. the degree that can stay inside, the institution itself, we're seeing it right now happening on that big budget deal that was made before they left. the word in washington, the grownups are now in charge. the appropriations committee, the money spending committee, they're coming up with something. the outside groups are agitating. a big meeting of conservatives in virginia saying, we can't let them cooperate like this and start by opposing janet
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yellen's nomination to the fed. >> you could see this kind of dynamic, ana, on that issue of immigration. >> i don't agree with chuck schumer, but i agree with this. i think it might be the one sweet spot and bright spot this year, let's not fool ourselves, 2014 is an election year. this isn't going to be about love and peace. right now, the afterglow of the holidays. lot of issues that are intended to political wedge issues. the minimum wage issue, obamacare, there's going to be a lot of fighting this year, i hope i'm wrong, but i think i'm being realistic. immigration has a shot, because -- >> you know, it's not the issue that counts. >> really republican leadership, republican outside groups want to do it. as senator schumer said, there are a lot of republicans who can move the ball that want to get it done. tomorrow, governor chris christie in new jersey is signing the new jersey version
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of the dream act, he's having a ceremonial signing for it. he's doing it his own way. he's thinking long term, nothing speaks more than the national implications than getting immigration done for the republicans. than what governor christie is doing. >> you're nodding your head there. >> when we have high unemployment, people want to blame somebody, they blame immigrants. now, we have unemployment coming down. people are hiring again. we need people to go back to work. so, whether you're a business republican or a business democrat, you understand that we got to have a young population who are workers. >> none of these republicans are in the house of representatives. that's ultimately every year, this wishful thinking and consensus. then, you go to house of representatives and it dies. i think there's an idea maybe right after these guys win their primary they're not yet worried i don't know. every year we kind of say this. >> there is a legislative way to
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do it, though, to bring up border security in one bill and bring up amnesty in another bill and that's exactly what happened, you know, in the compromise of 1850, california came in as a free state but the fugitive slave law was part of it as well, and so, you know, you can say this was a terrible thing. but this is the way it got through. >> we have a fed-up, unplugged john boehner that we didn't have last year. fed up in trying to accommodate folks that aren't going to be accommodate ever. i think what kind of leadership xerts on this is the key. >> the republican party, chamber of commerce or the republican party who's boiling tea in the back room, that's what we're deciding right now. >> how about the party that represents middle-class americans? you know what, passing immigration reform may further undercut working class wages. you just said,
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unemployment is down a lot over three, four years. and there wasn't immigration reform. immigration is down, too. maybe we take a serious look at what kind of immigration we want. >> meanwhile, this is what's going to be talked about in washington. at least at the beginning of the year. one of the points that you were making earlier, and i want to get into that, despite all this talk about immigration, health care insurance, one of the things that we're just seeing just this weekend, al qaeda taking over two major cities in iraq, a year after the president pulled out all of the troops. >> yeah. and a few months after he didn't intervene in syria and backed off in syria. it turns out, 150,000 people are getting killed in syria and al qaeda taking over opposition there has effects across the border in iraq. i do think, people don't want to talk about foreign policies for various reasons on both sides. i think foreign policy will be a
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big issue. >> cokie, ronald reagan back in 1986, it was his salvation coming out of iran contra. presidents tend to have more room to maneuver. as bill points out a lot of real crises for president obama. >> and the middle east isn't an easy place to maneuver. john kerry is there, god love him, constantly, trying to bring it together. but it is a difficult region. but, there is a stronger feeling that you're picking up, especially among europeans that the united states is absent and that there is no leadership from the united states at the moment. there's a sense that kerry is almost freelancing and that he is not getting a lot of support from the administration himself. >> the europeans are right. we have had 12 years of war. for the last 11 years, you can't find anyone left in america to tell you why are we still there. afghanistan, al qaeda attacked us, they're not in afghanistan,
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we're fighting someone called the taliban. why are we still there? >> because, there is -- first of all, we went there and we promised that we would stay there. >> who did we promise? we proomsed karzai, who's a crook. >> do we think we're safer? do you think al qaeda would be weaker if we got out of there? >> the people that we know are the most dangerous actors in the neighborhood, when we went into iraq, al qaeda didn't function there. we destabilized iraq. we threw saddam hussein out, and now we have al qaeda, it's our problem, now we're going to have to go back in. what's your solution? >> my solution is to be serious about being in the middle east. but not to pull out 100% from iraq. >> perpetual war in the middle east? >> no, being responsible as a world power.
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are you against that? are you against that? >> we went to middle east 60 years ago because we wanted to get a supply of oil in the middle east. from saudi arabia. we'll be now exporting oil and gas during the next six years, they are competitors. >> we have a moral obligation as well, it's not just an economic obligation. we said to the women of afghanistan, we're going to make your lives better, we're going to get educated, we're going to get your children educated. the crisis of syrian children right now is outrageous, there are children dying every day in these refugee camps and we are just not making anything happen to make their lives better. >> you make a compelling point right there. i'll bring this to ben smith, i see no appetite whatsoever from the white house to put troops back in the middle east. >> i mean, this president was elected in a fundamental way to pull troops out of the middle east.
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in 2008 that was it. i think it's become very clear that this is not a president who's going to very vigorously intervene in any of these theaters. one thing that happened this weekend, iran is going to be welcomed at these talks on syria. and in the sense they can turn iran into a constructive ally in the region. that's a very new thing. >> one point on that. >> put down their nukes? >> this president sent tens of thousands of troops to iran in 2009 and 2010. that was just to hold things off for a year or two? >> one of the points that senators mccain and lindsey graham recently said, what we're seeing in iraq proves that the united states has to leave some troops behind. >> they also have been saying, look, we warned that this was going to happen, you got al qaeda right now in charge right
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now of fallujah. there's the bigger problem of the overall roll of the united states. this hasn't been a good year for leadership. you're hearing democrats in the senate foreign relations committee, saying we're not happy with the way things are going with iran and having great reservations. >> and governor schweitzer, clearly your passion on this issue right now we're seeing this morning and also in iowa. you say this is relevant for democrats, here's what you said last month in iowa. >> george bush got a bunch of democrats to vote to go to that war. i was just shaking my head in montana, and the reason i'm in iowa, in part, is because i'm asking you to pick the leaders that are going to say, we're not going to make those mistakes. we might make mistakes again, but we're not going to make those mistakes. now, governor, lot of people took that no so subtle bow to hillary clinton. are you thinking of challenging her? >> come on, brian, stop teasing.
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give us answer. >> those people in washington, d.c., most of them didn't live in the middle east. i lived in libya and saudi arabia. i watched iraq fight that war. now we've created a vacuum in iraq. those people who supported that iraqi war didn't understand the politics of the middle east. al qaeda wasn't there. iraq hadn't attacked us. we made a very big mistake there. it cost us a lot of blood and a lot of treasure. >> but does that mean that you're going to challenge her if she runs? are you seriously looking at this? >> i'm looking around. gosh, i like iowa. my first trip to iowa was when i was 4 years old. >> yeah, right, right. >> give george stephanopoulos something to talk about. >> the ground is frozen in montana. i can't get a stake in there.
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>> florida is an early primary state and it's 80 degrees there. >> i'll take it as not a no. >> that's right. >> look, there's a market in the democratic party and you saw this with your clips of de blasio here in new york for a blasio here in new york for a populist democrat who will run against hillary clinton. >> and i do want to bring that to ben. >> i think the clintons are intensely aware of that. the most either clinton talked about inequality on that stage. >> but that is a big danger zone for her, because he can fail and he can fail quite spectacularly. and then, you know, she's associated with him. >> guys, it's not all about you. we're from montana and miami. and we were talking before the show, brian, you think anyone in montana knows who bill de blasio is? >> not the mayor. but the themes he's running on.
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on this inequality theme, this is a theme that you have been hitting as well. >> love to talk about it. you're a mayor, buster, you got to make sure the snow gets plowed and the garbage gets picked up. mayors have to balance budgets. >> that's where he can fail and be a problem. it's also true that this notion, resurgence of liberalism, there's a different between populism and liberalism. liberalism, we never see a poll that shows more than 20% of americans identifying themselves as liberals. >> de blasio calls it progressivism. >> what you saw this week is probably what you'll see in new york. the snow actually got picked up. i mean, his tatical choices tot not reach out, write off anyone who disagreed from him the start.
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>> this issue of national implications from bill deblasio is in my humble opinion is overblown. >> we're just about out of time. i want to go around the table. big question, biggest thing congress is going to get done this year? >> i don't know. nothing -- i mean, i think they'll succeed in taking care of the debt ceiling in february and march. there won't be a government shutdown. >> do no harm? >> right. >> they might do immigration. i think that is a big possibility. that would be a big thing. >> the wildly optimistic forecast is not shutting down the government. >> the only thing they really care about is raising money from the powerful and get reelected. >> i think we may see something on nsa the recommendations get put into law. >> thank you all. up next, bob woodruff talks with mark wahlberg about his new
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our "sunday spotlight" shines today on america special operations forces, their profile has soared since their takedown of osama bin laden. and so has their standing in congress. our team of experts is here to discuss their challenges these heroes face every day, and how they fit into america's military future. but, first,
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bob woodruff sits down play by mark wahlberg in the gripping new film "lone survivor." >> reporter: the four s.e.a.l.s were on a mission, mark wahlberg plays the role of petty officer marcus luttrell in "lone survivor." he was right in your sight. why didn't you shoot him, because you weren't getting a order? >> right. yes, sir. the area that we were in were so dense. we had to move up or down. >> reporter: the s.e.a.l.s moved up the mountain. where three goat herders literally stumbled upon them. a quick and crucial decision had to be made. should the s.e.a.l.s let the herders go, or should the s.e.a.l.s kill three unarmed afgha afghaniing tsh? >> we do what we have to do. >> what other rules of
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engagement? >> who knows? >> it just depends on where you are. there isn't an official protocol. >> i was shocked even yesterday, finding out that, while we have these rules of engagement, nobody else does. >> reporter: with the vote, the s.e.a.l.s let the herders go. they ran straight to the taliban. within an hour, the s.e.a.l.s were surrounded. luttrell was badly wounded. his three s.e.a.l. brothers were killed. the special operations chopper that flew into rescue them was shot down. 19 u.s. service members were lost that day. for the film's director, peter berg, this is not about politics it's about honor. >> i thought that marcus did an extraordinary opportunity to pay and acknowledge a sacrifice these men are making. it was the most satisfying film
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that i have ever been involved in. >> the first time that it wasn't about me or my experience. it wasn't me hitting my growth as an actor. >> reporter: the story would not have been told without muhammad, the local villager who saved and cared for luttrell. refusing to hand him over to taliban, despite death threats. >> i owe him my life. >> people talk about honorable men. that's honor what he did, in him risking his life and his village and his children, to rescue a complete stranger. how do you do that? i was never privileged to see, until i went to afghanistan, that there are a lot of amazing people. they are also at war with the taliban. >> reporter: luttrell now has a 2-year-old son, ax, he doesn't know yet, but he'll tell him about his experience. >> we'll have a discussion about it. with his mother and myself. he's going to see it eventually. kids do that.
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>> i have the same issue with "boogie nights." >> rules of engagement says we can't touch them. >> this experience had a huge impact on me and i completely don't like war. but i love soldiers and i love what marcus did and i'm inspired by him to be a better man. really glad did what he did. >> reporter: for "this week," bob woodruff, abc news, new york. >> okay, let's dig into this now with our abc team of experts. martha raddatz back again. colonel steve ganyard and the newest member of our military team, vice admiral robert harward. a former navy s.e.a.l. welcome to all of you now. first of all, welcome to abc, you were in afghanistan during this operation, and this wasn't the history of afghanistan, they have
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dominated. was this film true to the experience? >> i would say it's very true and it's very graphic, as you know, i would tell you a more important issue is the dilemma this presents for the special operations community who always prided them on being the quiet professionals. while the story has to be told about these brave men they also want to protect their capabilities for future mission. this movie does that. but it's very graphic and will be a painful experience, not only for the families who have lost members due to this war but also those worry about their members every day. >> this navy s.e.a.l.s ethos, i don't advertise the nature of my work. clearly happening here, bringing people inside that experience. >> extraordinary stories that
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are being told here. the people who have been fighting this war for us overseas. so, what we see here is something that the admiral wants to have out there. he doesn't want to compromise the capabilities and the procedures that are really their bread and butter. >> martha, i talked to peter berg this summer about how much access he got from the s.e.a.l.s. we also have "captain phillips" out now. >> and i think captain phillips is the most problematic one for revealing tactics and how the s.e.a.l.s operate, there are things in there for me, covering the pentagon, and i ask questions about tactics, it's oh, no, no, we can't tell you that. then you have all of these hollywood movies that don't reveal so many tactics. but, "captain phillips," they show you how they listen in on the boats, they do all kind of things in that movie that are
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really revealing. why is hollywood getting this kind of access, journalists aren't getting that kind of access, they really have opened the door to hollywood? >> i think the point is, they're always -- it's a tough job to get guys in and through these processes. while a lot of people want to be navy s.e.a.l.s, it's a tough recruiting process. the last ten years, we put a lot of focus into recruiting, these type of movies inspire young kids to pursue these very challenging and demanding careers. >> and one of the questions that it also raises, and i will bring it to you, colonel ganyard, how the role of these special operations forces are going to evolve as we deal with new challenges? not only the fight against al qaeda in the middle east and the rise of china. >> right, the rise of china and how do we fix special operations. they clearly earned a place in the america pantheon. in some ways, you know, we spend
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hundreds of billions of dollars on stealth airplanes and stealth submarines. we live in this era of satellites seeing everything, so we can't move airplanes, we can't move divisions of people overseas without being seen. but, in some ways, they can be inserted into places that are difficult places to get into in covert manners that won't be seen. >> george, you have someone from the marines, but if you had someone for the army, you need those conventional forces. you look at korea. that's a different side that we're talking about here. special operation forces are so incredible and important now. there's a lot of argument today that you still need conventional forces. >> we're paying twice as much per soldier than we did 20 years ago. draw the army. >> one of the other dangers here, the emphasis on the
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tactics and special operators, who risked getting into a game of whack-a-mol. >> i think the special operations committee fits very well into that strategy, because it provides low-profile access which then allows you to do that full range go after individuals you need to capture or kill or other missions. it's low profile, but it gives you access into these areas that you want to influence for a variety of purpose. >> martha raddatz, a world dominated by men, so far, is there a future for women in the special operation forces? >> i think that's evolved. i asked some navy s.e.a.l.s, including that one right there, whether women fit in, to me, and i think steve ganyard lived through this as a fighter pilot, when they were integrating women into aviation, and now you've got a community
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that's more welcoming, but there are physical tests that go along with this. i sort of look at it, and the people i talked to as a tool belt, look, there are hammers in that tool belt, screwdrivers in that tool belt, and if you put them them all together, they work really well together. i think women and most of the special operations senior leadership who i have talked to feel it is time. >> great. >> back at you. >> i would tell you, women have been a part of the special operations community as long as i have, they're not s.e.a.l.s, they're not rangers, but they have been part of the community enabling us to do what we have to do. this last baston of wearing a try dent or being a designated ranger still needs to be worked. i know the special operations community, is looking at this really closely. >> i think it's very important, though, that if we do this we have to have a single bar. there can't be standards for women if the bar
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is set to this to be a s.e.a.l. today. >> that's the last word today. thank you all very much. you can see more from mark wahlberg at we'll be right back.
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and now we honor our fellow americans who serve and sacrifice. this week, the pentagon released the names of three service members killed in afghanistan. and that is all for today, thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news" with david muir tonight, and i'll see you tomorrow on "good morning america." eck out "world news" with david muir tonight and i'll see you tomorrow on "good morning america." a
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