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ing. starting right now on abc's "this week" -- fire emergency. the red-hot battle against raging infernos. we're live on the front lines. plus, california governor, jerry brown, on the drought that could make this one of the deadliest fire seasons, yet. firing back. >> she's doing great. she's in better shape than i am. >> it's the clintons versus karl rove, in a bitter battle over hillary's health. who won? and is it a preview of 2016? campus alert. the nationwide outcry about college sexual assault. are students safe? and celebrating a legend. >> joining us will be barbara walters of abc news. >> barbara walters, how she changed the view on sundays. from abc news, "this week" with george stephanopoulos begins now.
good morning. it's been a brutal week for firefighters out west, battling an unprecedented threat. there they are, just inches from the flames. the worst is over now. but the toll is high. 25,000 acres scorched. heartbroken families returning home. everything gone. abc's bazi kanani starts us off from san marcos, california. good morning, bazi. >> reporter: good morning, george. officials expect all of the evacuated residents will be allowed to return to their homes by tonight. and unfortunately this is what some are finding. this home, one of dozens destroyed by the fast-moving fires. the raging results of not enough rain. four of the ten wildfires tearing through san diego county this week, still not contained. thousands of firefighters and marines rush to beat back the flames. 25,000 acres charred, 1 dead and already nearly $20 million in damage.
what's lost for many families is priceless. the gilmore family in carlsbad, now digging to salvage memories. just hours before his senior prom, 18-year-old adam recovered one of the new remaining momentoes of his childhood. >> one of the few things was a woody, little toy here. it's pretty burnt to a crisp. >> reporter: cooler temperatures and calmer winds are helping firefighters get the upper hand. but it's just not enough to reduce the fire danger here and across the state. california's firefighting agency has responded to 1,500 fires this year, nearly double an average year. nearly all of california, in extreme drought, after another winter and spring with almost no rain. with vegetation already drying out, these exhausted firefighters may not get much rest in the hot months ahead. california fire officials are pleading with residents here to get serious about fire
prevention. they say the first fire here was started by sparks from a construction vehicle. george? >> okay, bazi. thanks very much. let's get more on this, now, from california governor, jerry brown. governor brown, thank you for joining us this morning. is the situation under control? >> well, relatively under control. you never know. it depends upon the weather. today, tomorrow, next week. so, yes. it's under control for the moment. but we're in a very serious fire season. more serious than we've seen before. so, we have to watch and be very careful. >> you say more serious than you've seen before. twice as many fires already this year than the average over the last five years. i was struck by the front page of "usa today" on friday. it says, drought turns california into a tinderbox. what more are you expecting this summer? >> well, we're in the third year of a very dry season. we're getting ready for the worst.
now, we don't want to anticipate before we know. but we need a full complement of firefighting capacity. the state's climate appears to be changing. the scientists tell us that definitely. so, we have to gear up here. and after all, in california, for 10,000 years, our population was about 300,000. now, it's 38 million. we have more structures, more activity, more sparks, more combustible activity. and we've got to gear up for it. and as the climate changes, this is going to be a radically different future than was our historic past. >> well, that's the big question. how do you adapt to that? you say the climate change is definitely at the heart -- at least a big part of this. there's a lot of skepticism particularly among republicans in washington about that. how do you build a consensus to adapt? >> that's a challenge. it is true that there's virtually no republican who accepts the science that
virtually is unanimous. there is no scientific question. there's just political denial for various reasons, best known to those people who are in denial. but whatever the thoughts of the republicans, we here in california on the front lines, we got to deal with it. we've already appropriated $600 million. we have 5,000 firefighters. we're going to need thousands more. and in the years to come, we're going to have to make very expensive investments and adjust. and the people are going to have to be careful how they live, how they build their homes and what kind of vegetation is allowed to grow around them. >> so, what else can you do right now to prevent the worst? i know you signed an executive order creating new regulations for restaurants and local governments. what more can you do? do you need more from washington? >> if washington could change the drought, i'd ask them. but we live in a world that is not just government or not just business. it's natural.
the natural systems. and as we send billions and billions of tons of heat-trapping gases, we get heat and we get fires and we get what we're seeing. so, we've got to gear up. we're going to deal with nature as best we can. but humanity is on a collision course with nature. and we're just going to have to adapt to it in the best way we can. in california, we're not only adapting. but we're taking steps to reduce our greenhouse gases in a way that i think exceeds any other state in the country. and we'll do more. in the meantime, all we can do is fight all these damn fires. >> before you go, i want to ask you a final political question. back in 1992, you stayed in the primaries against bill clinton, up to the convention, that it shouldn't be a coronation. you saw both clintons out in full force this week. do you think hillary is heading for a coronation this time around? and is that a good thing for democrats? >> well, i wouldn't call it a coronation. but i would say she's the
overwhelming favorite. i can't see any opposition or even potential opposition. whether it's a good thing or not, it does carry with it risks. being a front-runner is being on a perch that everyone else is going to try to knock you off of. so, she's there. she's got the capacity. but like any front-runner, she has to be cautious and wise in how she proceeds forward. >> governor brown, thank you very much for your time this morning. >> thanks. now, to that desperate search in nigeria, where the 200 young girls taken from their school have now been held by the boko haram terror group for more on a month. a new military offensive is under way right now with help from the u.s. hamish macdonald has the latest. >> reporter: the search for the kidnapped nigerian girls is stepping up. the 7th division of nigeria's army is leading the way. with surveillance support from the u.s. overhead. they're scouring the forest where they believe smaller groups of girls are held. some possibly in caves.
but nigeria's military is facing criticism about its effectiveness. >> we're now looking at a military force that's, quite frankly, becoming afraid to even engage. >> reporter: international partners, including the u.s. and u.k., have been reluctant so far to share all intelligence, fearing leaks inside nigeria's military may be tipping off boko haram. the military is defending its deployment and its resourcing. >> nobody ever have enough. i think we're trying our best. and we're improving regularly. >> reporter: the nigerian president promised to visit chibok, where the girls were taken. but changed plans at the last minute, citing security fears. in the volatile northeast, we met families of the missing. these fathers feel nervous, abandoned and frustrated. >> there's no policemen. no soldier. nor any civil servant at all. >> reporter: are you angry? >> yes.
>> reporter: at this weekend's summit in paris, boko haram was labeled west africa's al qaeda. and leaders promised to wage total war on the group. for all this rhetoric about war on boko haram, there's serious doubts about the capacity of nigeria's military. the state department's view seems to be, even if the girls can be located, nigerian soldiers might lack the skills to carry out a successful rescue mission. george? >> hamish, thanks. let's get more from abc's chief global affairs correspondent, martha raddatz. and retired navy s.e.a.l. robert harward, now an abc news contributor. mr. harward, let me begin with you. you heard the doubts that hammish expressed that the united states has about the capability of the nigerian military. what kind of resources do we have in place there? and what can we do? >> well, george, as the state department acknowledged yesterday, we have a full range of assets to assist the government of nigeria. not only advisers. but also those air and satellite assets that can search over a
broad area of northern nigeria, to isolate those individuals. we're going to track, to listen and hear and see what they're doing over these wide areas. and then isolate them. and thereby allow the government of nigeria to take that information and pursue courses of action to solve this problem. >> martha, underscore this will not be an american operation? >> it will not. you heard the president say there will be no u.s. boots on the ground. what he means by that is combat troops. the u.s. is not going to carry out a rescue by itself of any kind of nigeria is a sovereign nation. they don't want to ask the u.s. to go in and rescue. but there are other things that can be done to look for those girls and help. >> so, if these girls are identified, what comes next? >> next is isolating the location. not only of them, but the bad guys. and then, providing assistance to move those troops or
resources into place to solve the problem. >> martha, before we go, i do want to ask you about this veteran affairs controversy. saw secretary shinseki, up before congress, taking some heat. at the end of the week, announced the firing of his undersecretary of health, robert pencil. but that seems to have backfired. >> it certainly did. there was a press release on friday, saying he had accepted his resignation. and we later learn, he was set to retire anyway. they didn't put that in the press release. they didn't put that out. we all found out he was set to retire anyway. so, this is not exactly a sweeping statement by the v.a. this is long from being over. >> martha raddatz, robert harward, thank you very much. we're going to turn to the big move in washington this week that affects all of us that go online. it can change how you get movies from netflix, products on amazon and how much you pay for them, too. abc's jeff zeleny explains, that debate opened up by the fcc and what it means for you. >> reporter: the internet,
famously so egalitarian. >> if you were the inventors of facebook, you would have invented facebook. >> reporter: anyone can start a multibillion-dollar business in their dormroom or garage. >> a million dollars isn't cool. you know what's cool? a billion dollar. >> reporter: is that about to change? >> one heartbeat away from the presidency. and not a single vote cast in my name. democracy is so overrated. >> reporter: there are new fears washington might take that wide-open superhighway and turn it into a toll road, allowing internet giants like verizon and comcast to charge your favorite websites for faster service into your home, leaving you stuck with the bill. and leaving the little guys stuck in the slow lane or never getting off the ground. >> if this had been in place all along, what innovations do you think we wouldn't have now? >> i'm not sure twitter ever gets started because the cable company will say, twitter? how is this going to make money for us? forget it. >> reporter: internet providers insist innovation won't be stifled. and say a two-tiered system is a
matter of fairness. the debate has drawn protests. but regulators say, don't worry. >> personally, i don't like the idea that the internet could be divided into haves and have-nots. and i will work to see that that does not happen. >> reporter: the fcc will issue a decision this summer that could pave the way for a new divide on the internet. for "this week," jeff zeleny, abc news, washington. let's get more on this now from cory johnson, anchor and internet expert for bloomberg television. thanks for being here. you have said this will be one of the most consequential decisions ever for the fcc. why? >> because this changes the future of -- all of the stuff we do on the internet, whether it's business, whether it's personal interactions, watching movies on netflix, all those things will be changed by this decision. >> and break it down a little bit. i think people hear the word net neutrality and their eyes -- >> glaze over? >> this is truly important. >> it's also really simple. it's just about how fast things
happen on the internet. we have painfully slow speeds for internet connections in the u.s. and what this decision is trying to do is allow certain companies to have their own fast lane on the internet. and the law currently allows for that. so, for example, netflix has a deal with comcast, where they pay extra to move their content faster. that's great if you're a netflix user. or if you're netflix itself. it's horrible if you're amazon prime or hulu or a competitor. what if we lived in a world where i would rather watch this show than "phinaeus and ferb." >> not my kids. >> maybe. but just by the cable provider making that choice, the internet service provider making that choice, they can give an advantage to one business over the other and change the content we consume as citizens. >> this is going to be a huge battle. you've got the big cable companies, internet service providers on one side. and technology companies are going to spend a fortune. what's your best guess now on how this is going to play out?
>> there's tremendous uproar about this. there's so many companies that will come out and say we have to have fair rules. everything crosses in the internet. the backbone of the internet is about the same speed. but when it arrives in the last mile, you have a handful of companies with monopolies. companies like comcast, time warner table, a little verizon and at&t. they control that last mile. they don't want to have rules. they want to be able to sell fast access. and they have a lot of power in washington, d.c. but you have so many other companies that really want an equal playing field at the end of the mile, the last mile of the internet broadcast, internet speed. and i think they're going to have just a loud as voice in washington. we'll see. what usually happens in washington, the biggest spender wins. >> a little too early to read. thanks, cory. coming up, crisis on campus. how colleges and students are taking on an epidemic of sexual assault. karl rove and bill clinton face off over hillary's health. and later, we celebrate barbara walters in our "sunday spotlight." we're back in just two minutes.
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our "closer look," now at a crisis on campus. 60 universities have been put on notice by the department of education, for how they've handled sexual assaults. "time" magazine reports this week that nearly one in five college women have been victims. and the author of that cover story is here, along with a university president taking action, after this from fusion's alicia menendez. >> reporter: at columbia university this week, an issue coming out of the shadows into the nationwide spotlight. >> i was raped by one of my close friends who is also a student at columbia. >> reporter: emma sul coe wits is one of the students saying they have been a victim of sexual assault on campus. filing the complaint that the
university has not taken the issue seriously. >> i decided something needed to be done. so he would stop attacking women on campus. >> reporter: what type of justice were you seeking from the administration? >> i just wanted him to get off campus. >> reporter: last week, someone, who knows who, put graffiti on bathroom walls across campus, accusing several students of rape. columbia released a statement to abc news, saying they're increasing measures to prevent sexual assault misconduct and support survivors. it comes amid a full-court press by the white house. tony west is a web of the president's task force. >> i think that when college campuses engage the entire community, and send a very strong message that dealing with sexual assault is the collective responsibility of all of us. that's when they're most successful. >> reporter: one of the biggest challenges for schools, how to define nonconsensual sex.
critics say that sometimes the definition the university use is too broad. it's a stat that's hardly changed in 20 years. >> most colleges vastly underreport sexual assault. >> there have been sexual assault cases involving athletes at st. john's -- >> rape on campus. when a friend or acquaintance turns out to be the rapest. >> reporter: an article from 1990, where victims wrote the name of their attackers on bathroom walls. cathy harris was at brown university and would become an activist on sexual assault. >> whenever there is national news about campus sexual assault, there becomes some awareness by the schools that they need to do something. as time passes, it's going to blow over. and things are going to go back to just how they were. i know this because we were talking about these things 25 years ago. nothing has changed. >> reporter: it's too late for columbia survivor emma
sulkowicz. but she hopes it will be different for the next student. >> i think universities are in a position to really take a first step and make a change. >> reporter: for "this week," i'm fusion's alicia menendez in new york. >> you wrote the story in "time" magazine this week. you reach a startling confusion. you said for young women, america's campuses are dangerous places. will this new push by the federal government make a huge difference? >> well, george, i think we are at a historic moment for this issue because you have a perfect storm of grass roots, students on college campuses raising a stink about this. and the vice president who had the violence against women act. and the president who has daughters. i think you're going to see a spotlight on this issue that might put more pressure on colleges to make a change.
>> president capilouto, the university of kentucky has been on this for a long time. cited as a model by the white house how you've taken on sexual harassment. what are the best practices that have worked for you? >> you have to recognize your problem. ten years ago, we were the first to do a campus-wide climate survey. we understood some of the same horrific numbers reported previously. we birthed in an entrepreneurial way, interventions that we thought would empower individuals and spread that responsibility collectively to the entire community. our students, our faculty, our staff, our police force. others that you have to partner with, in community, to make a difference. and then, you've got to stop and reassess, see how effective you are, repeat your surveys, refine, invest and move forward. >> is there more the federal government should be doing right now? >> well, i -- we had taken this responsibility on. it is a priority for us.
one of the things we introduced, a green dot program. this is a way that i would say is equivalent to a designated driver in drinking situations. >> the green dot? >> the green dot program. that program trains college students. and we target peer leaders, those likely to influence many people on campus. we trained over 5,000. they know how to recognize a risky situation, intervene and do it in a creative way. >> if you see something, say something on campus. that makes a lot of sense. you pointed out in your piece that these assaults are carried out by a small group. you write that most guys are good guys. but the bad ones seem to be repeat offenders. how do you stigmatize without
singling everybody out? >> that certainly does happen. but i do think that, you know, this study that i found showed 6% of males on the university of massachusetts campus had committed rape. and 75% of them were repeat offenders, who had committed an average of six rapes each. and so, i think what we need to do is sort of speak to the people around them. so, when you go to a fraternity party, sort of the training we were just talking about here, when you go to a fraternity party and you see one of your brothers bringing a girl upstairs who looks too drunk. be creative and spill a drink on him. or say, hey, man, your car's getting towed. and sort of create a division to separate them and keep them safe. coming up in just two minutes, bill clinton versus karl rove. the political fight over hillary's health. "the new york times" fires its first female editor.
and now, george's pick. india's new prime minister-elect is george's "big winner" of the week. there was hillary clinton, celebrating barbara walters' last day on "the view." one top in a week that had the feel of a presidential campaign in full swing, after karl rove took a shot at hillary clinton's health and the whole clinton campfired back. here's chief white house correspondent, jon karl. >> reporter: hillary clinton seems to be enjoying the endless 2016 speculation. check out how she dodged the big question from barbara walters. >> the question i want to ask is, are you going to run? >> well, i am running, around the park. >> reporter: but this week, the clintons were out in force. 14 public appearances. not just hillary, but bill, too. and when karl rove attacked, the clinton rapid response operation was also out in force.
it started when "the new york post" quoted rove questioning how badly mrs. clinton's brain was hurt by a concussion she suffered in december 2012. 30 days in the hospital? and when she reappears, she's wearing glasses that are only for people who have traumatic brain injury? we need to know what's up with that. in reality, mrs. clinton spent 3 days, not 30, in the hospital. her spokesman hit back, accusing rove of flatout lying. then, it was bill clinton's turn. >> first, they say she faked her concussion. and now, they say she's auditioning for a part on "the walking dead." >> reporter: but rove wasn't backing down. >> she had a serious health episode. this will be an issue in the 2016 race, whether she likes it or not. >> reporter: this much is not in dispute. december 2012, mrs. clinton was ill with a virus, fell and suffered a concussion and a blood clot. she stayed out of public view for nearly a month. her spokesperson, downplaying her condition.
>> she is still under the weather. >> reporter: this week, bill clinton acknowledged it took her six months to fully recover. clinton appears to be in good health now. but rove made it clear that the health and age of mrs. clinton, now 66, will not be off-limits. >> republicans are sending a message, in a sense, to hillary clinton, that it's not going to be easy. it's not going to be a free ride. >> reporter: bill clinton says he expects the attacks to get harsher. >> this is just the beginning. >> reporter: and no doubt, the clintons, both of them, will be taking plenty of shots, too. for "this week," jonathan karl, abc news, washington. let's bring in the roundtable now. i'm joined by bill kristol. editor of "the weekly standard." jennifer granholm, senior adviser of the ready for hillary pack. peggy noonan of "the wall street journal," and keith ellison. was this a shrewd move by karl rove? or did he overstep? >> i don't think it was a particularly shrewd move. we'll see how secretary clinton's health is. she'll be out campaigning.
i imagine she will be fine. people can see for themselves. there's no reason for karl rove to speculate about it. >> one of the reasons we saw, jennifer granholm, the clinton camp hit back hard. the most extensive statement we've seen from secretary clinton's staff, responding to any kind of a charge. but she will have to address these health questions eventually, correct? >> well, every candidate has to put out their health records, et cetera. i'm sure, for whoever is running, that will be the case. but this was such a bunch of nonsense. and really, i think it demonstrates how utterly afraid they are of her. and i think for her, when she makes her decision, she will only be elevated by the nonsense that's happening on the other side. >> i think one of the reasons this happens, though, keith ellison, and jerry brown talked about it. he talks about the risks of a coronation. when you're kind of unopposed on the democratic side, it leaves an open field for the republicans. they feel a responsibility to get in there hard and early. >> well, you know, i think it's karl rove's job to say inflammatory, controversial
things. i don't think hillary clinton needs her head examined. i think there might be somebody -- >> and, peggy noonan, this is not the first time that age or health has come up in a campaign. ronald reagan. >> no. oh, bob dole was in his 70s when he ran for president. john mccain, ronald reagan, my old boss. it is standard for -- and it's appropriate for your age and your health to be considered by the voters. i don't think i agree with bill. i think your point. i don't think it was helpful for a political operative, as opposed to journalists, to begin this whole story. but i also think in a funny way, it will work for mrs. clinton's benefit after all. she's got a book tour coming up in june. that means these topics will come up then. when she's selling the book, when she's doing network specials. when she's feeling fresh and perky and can give back with prepared lines.
i think it's fine. but sure. it's an early move to 2016. >> we saw a lot of previews to 2016 tonight. bill kristol. taking credit for tough iran sanctions. talking about the economy. and i think most noticeable in her speeches about the economy, she seemed to focus more on the clinton years than the obama years. >> yeah. the american dream, she said, feels further and further out of reach. he's been president for the last six years. she mentions president obama once in this long speech on domestic policy. praises her husband's presidency. but basically seems to indict the obama administration. i think that's where she'll try to go, pretty hard, to run away from the administration, in which you played a part. she was secretary of state. she was part of this administration. her record is going to be the issue with the campaign, not her health. and she said in the speech, we need big ideas to address these questions. that's something that republicans should welcome. let's have a big idea for 2016,
who is in favor of fundamental reforms in health care, tax code, banking and other things. >> i completely disagree that she was somehow dissing the obama administration. but she certainly has, the clinton years, were good years for people. and of course, she's going to remind them of that. the obama administration is digging out of a hole that was left under his predecessor. so, you know. and look how far we've come. we're now at an unemployment rate that is less than when he took over. so, there is -- >> you've now defended president obama more than secretary clinton did in her entire 30-minute speech. >> she was part of that administration. it's a continuum. but of course, she's going to remind people about how good things were under clinton. >> can i tell you, i think what mrs. clinton's speech did, was tell us what democrats themselves think of the president's popularity and the president's standing. they are beginning to distance. >> i think that she was just talking about her own chops. i think it's clear that the president has done a very good
job, given where he started. and the president's been talking about economic populism. i'm glad she did, too. when you see 150 cities all over this country, low-wage workers, out protesting for better wages, i think that's the thing -- i think that's where we need to go. >> but are progressives like you going to have to keep the pressure on? we saw bernie sanders, the senator from vermont, talking about the challenge just to keep these issues in play. >> well, absolutely, we have to talk about focusing on working americans and how we can make sure that people who work every day, who get home and are dirty and sweaty, can make a good living. we have to talk about those things because that's really where the american people's head is. and i'll tell you, any democrat who wants to be successful should talk about raising the minimum wage, making sure that the health care bill gets implemented so it can benefit people. talking about retirement security. and these low-wage workers striking at mcdonald's. that's a sign that we have to do
something in this economy. >> just remind you. secretary clinton said the american dream of upward mobility feels further and further out of reach. she believes -- she argues -- take a look at the whole speech, keith. it's an intelligent speech. it's an analysis of the problems we face. it's just to say -- [ all talking at once ] >> it's not about obama. it is about the 2002, 2003 tax cuts. it's about unpaid for wars. it's about the trickle-down economics. [ all talking at once ] >> go ahead, peggy. >> quickly, i think the republicans right now are doing something very quietly that i think i would love to see the democrats doing. republicans, senators, governors, are actually talking about governance. they're talking about ideas to change america, to bring the economy back. i see the democrats not doing that. not doing ideas.
not doing formulations -- >> they shut down the government for 16 days. they almost -- they've been doing a lot. >> i'm not hearing ideas from the democrats. i am hearing complaints. >> let me bring that to jennifer granholm. isn't that the biggest challenge, if hillary clinton runs, to be new, to be fresh, to have big ideas for the future? >> i don't think it's hard for her at all. she has been articulating that. there's a lot of great democratic ideas out there that the president has put out. but it's been blocked by the republicans in the house. the reason why things are falling behind is because the house is not moving on stuff that the president -- you can shake your head. but the -- congress has not been moving -- >> which legislation has the democratic senate? >> it's not moving -- >> immigration reform. that would help the economy. increase jobs and do a lot of good for a lot of people. i the tell you that's what folks in my district are talking about. we have to take a break right now.
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the technology is actually creating new jobs. siemens designed and built the right tools and resources to get the job done. "the new york times" has fired its top editor, jill abramson. she's out. some say it's because she thought she wasn't paid the same wage of men in her position. >> some reports have suggested that bosses and underlings found her too pushy, which as we all know, can be a loaded turn. >> what "the times" has done is undermined their reporters and handled this phenomenally bad. >> "the new york times," exploding on the front page, after the first female editor in its history, jill abramson, fired by the publisher, arthur sulzberger. some reports that she was not
paid as much as her predecessor, bill keller. this has drawn a sharp response from the publisher. he said -- i decided jill could no longer remain as executive editor for reasons having nothing to do with pay or gender. ultimately, i concluded she had lost the support of her masthead colleagues and could not win it back. jennifer grand granholm, mr. sulzberger having a hard time convincing a lot of women, particularly women in the media, that this is true. >> they handled this totally poorly. and he comes out today with a whole other series of stories from people who are supportive to him, sort of leaked through. and my guess is, she's going to come back, perhaps with some other stories. maybe there is a lawsuit in this. but the reality is, for every female journalist, she knows very well that across the board, women journalists make less than men. 83% of the male salaries, what the female journalists make, according to an indiana study. to me, this is just an example of something. the reason why this has been so hot is because it's so -- it
touches a nerve that is so real for women. >> yeah. >> you see it. a lot of women say -- when a woman displays the same kind of temperament issues that men display, being brusque or rough a little bit, around the edges, they get punished. but arthur sulzberger's response was, what this shows is that women are fired, sometimes, just as men are. >> well, that's reasonable enough. and yet, somehow, the attention and criticism i think was focused on the woman in this story, jill. and not on, say, the fellow who runs the paper, who has had a heck of a lot of executive editors in the past decade who has hired them and who has fired them. so, perhaps there's some temperament going on there. you know? we don't know the exact facts. it seems to me, all of the exact facts about money. but has there been a little pushing around of a woman here? i suspect so. >> well, here's what's real. you know, it's not just journalism. women on average are paid less
in every sector. and when women are assertive and commanding leadership, people call them names like pushy. nancy pelosi has been remarkably successful as a speaker. john boehner hasn't gotten anywhere close. and yet, people don't draw the comparison. and she gets roughed up by the right a lot. i guess we just see it too much to isolate this from so many other things where women are just -- even in the low-wage workers, minimum wage workers. women would benefit more if we raise the minimum wage. whether it's at the top of the scale or the bottom, it's just not there. >> i love the idea that the liberal lead is not very worried about the persecution of jill abramson who made only $750,000 a year, last year at "the new york times." >> i mentioned the minimum wage workers. >> yeah. let's mention -- >> the point is -- [ talking all at once ] >> i think you should be more upset about arthur sulzberger.
he's the one that lost -- he can have a conversation with his masthead colleagues. why does he run "the new york times"? because he inherited it. shouldn't you be upset about that? >> upset about the top 1%. >> if they can treat jill abramson this way, what about the other women? what about the younger journalists? what about -- it's a real problem. and it's sort of a symbol -- >> who is the they? who is the they that's treating them that way? arthur salzburger. >> it's not a limited thing. it's a societal problem we must confront. >> not one of the top ten newspapers around the country are run by women now. >> that's the thing. this is a systemic issue. look at the ceos of the fortune 500 companies. there's only five women who are governors in this country. it is just a systemic problem. but the issue about her pay. he can say she was let go for other reasons. but he can't explain the pay issue. i mean, from the numbers that were released, granted, it's a big salary. no question about it. but it's a systemic issue from the top to the bottom.
she was earning $475,000. her predecessor was earning $559,000. she was earning $100,000 less when she was the bureau chief of the washington, d.c. office than her predecessor. what is going on, that systemically, even very high earners are earning significantly less? >> if one report is true, she hired a lawyer to make inquiries about that. and that created problems. >> yes. look, you know what i think we're actually talking about? there's a form of power in the world that is, wow, i'm very important right now in this fabulous job. i hire and fire people. i am important. i am powerful. and then, you realize, no. you can be removed tomorrow. the person who owns the institution is the powerful person. and that is part of the inherent unfairness and yet movable factuality of life. >> it goes back to bill's point. >> can i -- >> go ahead. >> we live in a two-income world nowadays.
when women are underpaid because of their gender, it hurts the whole family. men need to get on top of this issue, too. it's a problem for all of us. >> that's the last word today. up next, it was no surprise that jay z's elevator scuffle went viral. but is privacy dead for everyone else, too? should we have the right to erase our worst moments online? that debate is coming up. and we celebrate barbara walters in our "sunday spotlight."
all of us may be getting used to the idea that true privacy is a thing of the past. every time we post a selfie, search the web or buy a product online, we sacrifice some personal space for the convenience or connection. abc's david wright examines the consequences. >> reporter: for queen bee and jay z, the invasion of privacy is the price of fame. this sort of attention on the red carpet feeds their brand. but in the elevator, moments earlier, an argument in which beyonce's sister appears to physically attack jay z. the release of the elevator security cam footage is clearly a violation. >> technology for surveillance is so cheap and powerful that anyone can be competing in the surveillance business. >> reporter: the danger isn't just the big brother edward snowden warned us about. it's millions of little brothers, keeping a watchful eye on the digital footprints we
leave without even realizing it. every website we visit, every purchase we make, revealing intimate secrets to total strangers. >> you might say there's nothing with this. and maybe there isn't. >> reporter: ashkan soltani demonstrates software that reveals third partying watching your every move online. >> we look up luggage. 12 or so third parties pops up on the site. >> reporter: these are just people lurking in the shadows. >> that's right. these are people that want to know that i'm interested in luggage and monitor me. >> reporter: did you know, google keeps a record of every search you ever made. think about that. every search you've ever made. saved for posterity. >> google knows the truth because it sees your behavior. >> reporter: so, just like that scene imagined in "minority report." >> you could use a guinness right about now. >> reporter: they can sell stuff to you wherever you go. but ecommerce is just part of it. text messages, e-mails, online
chats, all supposedly private. those messages are retrievable, by divorce lawyers, employers and others. one big concern is all those cameras out there. if they're ever combined with facial recognition technology and powerful search algorithms. >> right now, you have this sort of false sense that they're not actually looking at you. once it becomes technologically feasible to identify people right away, then i think we are going to be in a world where, you know, you will never be able to be not found. >> reporter: a brave, new world in which every one of us will become a beyonce or a jay z, with nowhere to hide. somebody always watching. for "this week," david wright, abc news, los angeles. >> and we are joined by two men who thought a lot about these questions. berin szoka, the president of tech freedom. and reddit co-founder, alexis ohanian, author of "without their permission." alexis, let me begin with you.
you say we have to preserve our right to privacy in this brave, new world. but is it too late? >> yes, we are in an age of oversharing with selfies and everyone's got a smartphone on them. but i think a lot of what's happened as a result of the revelations of people like edward snowden and glen greenwald, we do have a right to privacy when we expect it to be private. we make decisions to publish certain things. we make a decision to publish other things privately online or offline. and what's interesting is, i think the european government has the best of intentions with the laws that they're trying to pass. the problem is going to come down to actually executing it because this is the -- the internet is one giant copying machine. >> you describe the decision by the european court for this so-called right to be forgotten, which would give people the right to ask google or some other search engine to take down links that they find embarrassing. are you worried about that? >> i'm very worried about that. as a practical matter it will make hard for websites like reddit to keep providing user
content. that's why in the u.s., we decided to not make sites like reddit responsible for what their users do. that's been the basis of the open internet in this country. my concern is there's a false debate here. there's people who say privacy's dead. and that's not true. i don't believe that. there's people who say privacy is a fundamental right. and that leads you to crazy decisions like the european one. the real goal is to figure out in the middle, how to deal with real harms, real problems, when the nsa is able to get all of our information. when police can get information about us without going to a judge. >> and when companies can track every, single thing your kids do online. >> same thing. so, you can either say there's an absolute right and try to shut it down. right? that's not going to work. that really would start to break the internet. but that doesn't mean there's no role for government. there is a role going after real harms, real problems. and making sure, for example, identity theft, data security breaches. those are serious problems. we should be dealing with those. we should make sure that users do have choices.
but we shouldn't think that we can stop technological change. people tried to stop gmail when it first started because it creeped them out. and technology is always going to be creepy. the camera was very creepy when it first started. and then, we got used to it. >> how about on this argument, the right to be forgotten. most average people are defined by their worst moment online. if they defaulted on a debt at 1 point 15 years ago, that's the 1 thing that comes up. shouldn't there be a statute of limitations? >> the challenge becomes, the internet is a global copy machine. and the challenge is, trying to snuff it out in one place, is going to create a kind of black market for this information somewhere else. maybe because of geographic location or whatnot. it's a difficult proposition. this technology enables a lot of stuff. but the problem is, it's really hard to put that genie back in the bottle. and there's other ways to get around it. there's companies in the business of doing reputation management, to help you kind of cleanse your search results by promoting other content that's better, the kind of thing you want your future employer to
see. that seems to be part of a meaningful solution. >> a lot of questions for people to deal with. thank you both very much. when we come back, barbara walters in our "sunday spotlight," she's retiring on friday. i don't believe it. and i expect, we'll be getting an interview request within weeks. >> you can guess who jay carney is talking about there. and you can guess he's right about barbara walters, who said farewell this week after nearly
40 years at abc news, including some very special moments right here at "this week." >> good morning. and welcome to "this week." >> barbara's always been a special treat on "this week." bringing her signature questions. >> why can't he be like other presidents and say or be able to enforce his staff to shut up? which is the candidate that president clinton worries about the most? >> reporter: big interviews, too, like this one with hillary clinton, about those first white house rumblings more than ten years ago. >> i know you're not going to tell me whether or not you'll throw your hat in the ring. >> absolutely, i say no. >> reporter: what about 2008? >> she says she has no intentions or plans of running. whatever her feelings are for the future, she's making friends on both sides. >> reporter: toe-to-toe with vladimir putin. >> there are reports that nuclear materials have been stolen or even bought on the black market by terrorists. is that the case? >> translator: i don't really believe this is true. >> reporter: did you come away convinced that putin is
committed to the idea of an alliance with the united states? >> he says the cold war has been over for years. and he promises friendship and support. there is a great deal of concern in this country. >> reporter: she was here for the heartbreaks, too. remembering princess diana. >> you knew her. but millions around the world didn't know her. but were fascinated by her. why is that? >> the combination of the romance, the loneliness, the beauty, the papers. it was the stuff that romances could be made of. >> reporter: and jfk jr. >> you knew him, barbara. do you think he would have been interested in a public life? >> he didn't seem inclined in that area. but in a sense, he still had not found the life's career. >> reporter: at 38 years in abc news, barbara had seen it all, done it all, 24/7, even on sundays. >> barbara, welcome. >> thank you. >> we don't see enough of you here. >> i think people have seen enough of me. >> reporter: not a chance, barbara. come back, anytime. >> i'm barbara walters, for abc news. thank you for sharing your sunday with us.
>> thank you, barbara. and now, we honor our fellow americans who served and sacrificed. this week, the pentagon released the name of two soldiers killed in afghanistan. that's all for us today. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news" with david muir tonight. and i'll see you tomorrow on "gma."
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