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>> annghnow. >> what are we fighting for? defending our democracy. >> no one is above the law. >> the house sets the rules on impeachment -- >> the american public must see all the evidence. >> -- with a party line vote. >> this is a process that has been fundamentally tainted. >> process, process, process. not one of them wants to talk about the president's conduct. >> president trump the fourth america president to face impeachment. >> inch impeachment is a dirty word. >> public hearings the next big step. will they sway public opinion? what will it mean for everything else on washington's agenda? our guests eliot engel and steve scalise.
one year from election day -- >> 2020 is our time in history. >> to create a political movement. >> it's time to decide. >> let us make history together. >> the race in iowa tied at the top. pete buttigieg vaults to the top tier. he joins us live from iowa. the latest results from our brand new poll. our powerhouse round table with chris christie and rahm emanuel. we'll break down the politics, smoke out the spin, the facts that matter this week. >> announcer: from abc news it's "this week." here now chief anchor george stephanopoulos. good morning and welcome to "this week." election day exactly one year away and this morning our brand new poll with the "washington post" shows a top tier pulling away from the rest of the pack. joe biden holds the lead at 28% followed by elizabeth warren at 23%, bernie sanders at 17% and
pete buttigieg getting past kamala harris at 9%. harris and the remaining candidates at 2% or less. biden maintains his edge on who has the best chance to beat trump at 42%. he beats the field by a wild margin. the race is fluid. over half polled say they would consider another candidate. in the first caucus state of iowa, "the new york times" poll shows a virtual tie at the top. the top four candidates all within five points. in a showtime interview airing tonight mayor pete is suggesting the race is coming down to elizabeth warren and him. >> i think it's becoming a two-way. it's early to say. i'm not saying it is. >> you see that coming into focus, you and warren? >> yeah. in a world where we're getting somewhere is that world. where it's coming down to the two of us. >> mayor buttigieg joins us live from his bus in iowa right now. thank you for joining us this morning. two-way race? >> not yet.
look, there is a tremendous amount of energy for a range of candidates who are extremely capable. i'm proud to be part of the most diverse field i think ever in democratic presidential politics and some formidable competition. what i will say is there's amazing energy behind our campaign. we're seeing it in iowa and a lot of places. voters are narrowing down their choices. instead of just getting to know us, they're making up their minds. we're getting tremendous response for my message of bold changes that we can get together around. my campaign is based on -- >> sorry. you're talking about contrasts with elizabeth warren. i want to get to medicare for all. lay out the broader case. what's the big difference between you and elizabeth warren? >> i guess the biggest difference is i think we can deliver major, meaningful, bold change to move this country forward in a way that galvanizes an american majority.
instead of polarizing our country further. i'm running not just to defeat president trump. it's going to take a lot to do that, but also to be the president that first day the sun comes up and donald trump is no longer in office. we need a president to pick up the pieces, brings the country together and do it while dealing with these major crises from climate to an economy that isn't working for everybody, the impeachment process. that's taking a president that can be bold and unifying. we have got to find a way to come together and deliver bold solutions at the same time. >> you zeroed in on elizabeth warren's and bernie sanders medicare for all plan. a proposal we saw senator warren detail her $20 trillion proposal friday. they responded to some of the criticism from you and vice president biden. leke a loo
repeating republican talking points and by dusting off the points of view of the giant insurance companies and the giant drug companies who don't want to see any change in the law that will bite into the profits. >> making the arguments from republicans and insurance companies is her charge. >> the insurance companies are fighting my proposal because they don't want the competition. what is just not true is that hers is the only solution. this my way or the highway idea, either you're for kicking everybody off their private plans in four years or you're for business as usual is just not true. i'm proposing medicare for all who want it. if we do that, that's the biggest change in health care in 50 years. the difference is the way i would do it. you get to keep your private plan if you want to. i trust you to make that position. >> you used to be for broader medicare for all. you didn't qualify it in any way. is your main argument against medicare for all that it can't
get passed or won't work? >> i think it could very well be the long-run decembstinatiodest. there's got to be humility in our policy. let's put this out there and see if it's the best plan for everybody. i think it will be the best plan. i'm not willing to assume it's the right plan for you out of washington and order you to take it whether you want to or not. if it's the right plan everybody will move to it until it is the single payer. if it's not the right plan, we'll be glad we didn't kick some americans off their private plans. i'm thinking about union members who fought and negotiated for good plans they have today. they don't want to abandon those plans because washington tells them they must do that in four years or less. it doesn't make sense. we can get to universal health care coverage without putting america through that, without kicking people off their private
plans, without disagreements to the tune of 10 or $15 trillion. thae that's the entire gdp. we have a plan that's affordable, paid for and allowed you to choose instead of washington choosing for you. it's the boldest thing done to health care in a half century. >> elizabeth warren says the numbers she has add up. do you buy she can pay for her plan without raising taxes on the middle class? that's what she says. >> the math is certainly controversial. there are variations in the estimates in the trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars. we don't have to go there in order to deliver health care to everybody. my plan has a total cost over ten years of $1.5 trillion. it can be fully paid for with a combination of rolling back the corporate trump tax rate cut. the savings we'll get from allowing medicare to negotiate. it's paid for. it works and it avoids two major problems, the math problem that
the economists are arguing over this weekend and the problem of kicking americans off their private plans. >> can you guarantee that a president pete buttigieg would not raise taxes on the middle class? >> everything we have proposed has been paid for and we didn't propose a tax increase on the middle class. we don't have to do it in order to deliver health care solutions. there's a lot of money on the table from loopholes in the corporate tax system from the wealthiest among us who should pay more. we don't have to look to the middle class to solve these problems. it also means making sure we make promises we can keep. it's one of the reasons my vision on college affordability is different. i don't think we have to pay all the way down to the last penny of tuition even for the children of millionaires and billionaires. by not going that far there's a savings so we don't have to keep looking for other sources of taxes to pay for it. in order to make sure what we do
is responsible, we have to make promises we can keep and we have to be willing to raise the revenue to do it. another thing important is to look at the debt and look at the deficit. i know it's not fashionable in the democratic party. republicans have made it clear they don't care about the debt. they've blown up a $1 trillion deficit right now. if democrats don't get into the business of paying attention to the debt, nobody will. for my generation that's a problem. these financial time bombs could go off in my timeline. >> you say pay attention to the debt. if all your plans are implemented the debt and deficit will continue to go up as well, won't it? >> say again. >> you say pay attention to the deficit. if all your plans are implemented the debt and deficit will go up, isn't it? >> no. everything we proposed will be neutral to the budget or a savings to the budget. we can do that as long as we make reasonable moves for corporate taxes and wealthy individuals and make sure we keep track of the promises we're making.
i'm not going to make a $20 trillion move on health care when we can do the same thing at a fraction of the costs. it's the same thing on a lot of our other propose als. >> you've been rising in the polls but you're still lagging with african american voters. how do you convince black voters to give you a shot? >> i think the way to win black voters or any voters is to deserve to win. my message is of making sure that this is a country where we tear down systemic racism in all its forms. that threatens the entire republic. the plan i put forward, the douglas plan, is as ambitious as the marshal plan that rebuilt europe. this time it's right here at home. it's for the purpose of tearing down systemic racism. we have to look at all of societies. this might as well be two countries for many americans. we've got to make sure we're empowering black entrepreneurs.
the federal government is doing its part. we have to look at home ownership, criminal justice. we need a 21st century voting rights act. all these things need to go together. we get a fantastic response when i share the douglas plan because it's the most comprehensive vision in the 2020 cycle. my responsibility is to go out there and communicate it. >> your own focus groups show that being gay is a barrier with black voters. "the new york times" poll showed 55% find it harder to support you because you're gay. what can you do about that? >> the biggest question on any voter's mind when sizing
the candidates they have to say how will my life be different supporting you versus one of the competitors. a lot of prejudices and other things fall away when it comes down to vision. >> president trump had that ad in the world series sunday night. let's play a bit. >> president trump is changing washington creating 6 million new jobs, 500,000 new manufacturing jobs, cutting illegal immigration in half, obliterating isis. he's no mr. nice guy. sometimes it's takes a donald trump to change washington. >> a lot of democratic campaign veterans looked at that ad and said it's pretty effective. how would you response? >> it's putting a tough guy coat on a weak individual. he was manipulated by turkey into giving isis a new lease on life. he can't seem to make a decision and stick to it. i'm ready to go toe to toe with this president. he wants to talk about the economy. let's talk about the gm workers and other workers he's sold out. he wants to talk about isis. let's talk about how his
terrible decision to betray our allies allowed isis prisoners to go free. this president has been a failure even on its own terms, even by the promises he made. i'm ready for that fight. >> mayor buttigieg, thanks for joining us this morning. >> thanks for having me. up next nate silver's take on 2020, plus two key house members talk about impeachment and what comes next. grow with google is here to help you with turning ideas into action. putting your business on the map, connecting with customers, and getting the skills to use new tools. so, in case you're looking, we've put all the ways we can help in one place. free training, tools, and small business resources are now available at google.com/grow shhhh. i took mucinex dm for my phlegmy cough. what about rob's dry cough?
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the first thing we have to do is get rid of donald trump. get him out of office. once that happens the road is clear for significant change. >> now is the time to stand with the working families of our country and end the outrageous level of greed and corruption. >> fear and complacency does not win elections. hope and courage wins elections. the top democrats took the stage at friday's liberty and justice dinner in iowa. that dinner has been a turning point. hillary clinton was leading president obama when he electrified that crowd in 2007. with joe biden still the frontrunner in our latest
national poll, we asked nate silver to evaluate what polls have meant this far out. >> since we're one year away from the general election. let's ask how accurate are polls at this stage of the primary campai campaign. does a candidate leading in polls win their nomination? my colleagues at 538 took us back in time and looked at the polling twi polling since 1980. there are 15 of these. people leading the polls at this time have won the nomination half the time. that includes hillary clinton, donald trump, ronald reagan, bob dole, al gore et cetera. there were seven upsets. technically speaking mitt romney fell behind herman cain of all people.
obama in 2008 was not big of an upset either. he was in a strong second place polling at 22%. obama's position was more like the one that elizabeth warren finds herself in now. there were other bigger upsets. john kerry was poling at 9% before taking over howard dean. john mccain had 16% to rudy je giuliani's 30%. bill clinton had 6% at this sta. jimmy carter came from way, way behind, the low single digits based on polls we were able to find. that could be good news for mayor pete who is polling at around 7%. he could come back and win his nomination too. >> thanks to nate for that. you can read his analysis at 538.com. up next the latest on impeachment plus our powerhouse round table. impeachment plus our powerhouse round table.
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op opposition party voters, trump voters. >> the only thing worse than an impeachment is a failed impeachment. >> we're joined by democratic eliot engel. chairman, thank you for joining us this morning. we saw the party line vote this week. what changed? why go forward in the absence of republican support? >> it's not a matter of republican support. it's a matter of what the president did. let's look at what he's done. no other president in american history has done something like this. he tried to essentially bribe a foreign power to interfere in u.s. elections on his side, to go after one of his political opponents. the congress appropriated money for foreign aid for ukraine and the president illegally withheld that money and threatened the ukrainians by saying -- >> illegally? >> i think it's illegal. why would you be allowed to take that money and play with it as you please?
the ukraine, the president was saying do us a favor to the president of ukraine asking him to interfere and smear joe biden and his son. that's unprecedented. it's never been done in american history before where you essentially bribe a foreign ally with money that's not the president's. it's the country's. you try to get him to come against your political opponent. >> the question is what will the outcome be. i want to show everybody what you said in 1998 when bill clinton was being impeached. >> no one believes the president will ultimately be removed from office. we will have dragged this country through a six-month trial and bill clinton will still remain president. what good does that do? >> aren't we in the same situation now? >> we're not. but i like the way i looked 20 years ago. thank you for showing that. west virginia a constitutional
responsibility as members of congress. the president says that article ii of the constitutional lows him to do anything. congress is there to prevent the president from doing things that are illegal. we are a co-equal branch of government. remember when you were a kid and you learned about checks and balances. throw that out the window. the president thinks he can rule by fear. it's not a matter will it be successful. that's secondary. the question you have to ask is did the president sell out his country with a bribe to a foreign power to get involved in the president's personal political election. that's never been done by a president ever in this country. >> our next guest, senator scalise, here's what he said on the floor this week. >> maybe in the soviet union you do things like this where only you break the rules, where you
reject the ability for the person you're accusing to be in the room, to question what's going on. for anybody else to call witnesses when one person has the right to call witnesses. what kind affairne of fairness ? >> that's a pretty serious allegation. >> i don't think republicans can lecture us about the soviet since president trump and mr. putin are buddy/buddy. i think when you look at that, i think the republicans are the last ones to point -- >> what about the specifics that they don't feel they have their full due process rights? >> they had the same due process we had in the nixon and clinton impeachments. we took depositions for several weeks. they have complained about that. this week we're releasing the depositions. everything else will be public. >> when will there be public hearings? >> there will be public hearings
very, very soon. this week is the last of the witnesses come in. then it will be released, the transcripts will be released. everything is transparent. the republicans keep moving the goal post. they tell us they want us to be transparent. when we're transparent, it's not good enough. the president will have all his protections there. they can't complain about not having open hearings and then when we have them, complain about that as well. >> finally, our new poll shows 50% of americans disapprove how the democrats are handling impeachment. 51% say it's more about hurting president trump politically than defending the constitution. how do you explain it to the country that you're doing the right thing? >> sometimes you have to do the right thing and not worry about the polls. this is a president who abused power, who abused his office. he took money that was not his and tried to use it to influence his re-election and get dirt on
his opponent. i don't think we can sit by and accept it. this has never been done before. it's time we say stop. the impeachment proceedings, the president will have due rights. he'll have the same rights that clinton and nixon had. the republicans move the goal post because they can't defend the behavior. >> mr. chairman, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> we're joined now by the number two republican in the house, congressman steve scalise. you heard chairman engel say you're moving the goal post that president trump will have the same rights that presidents nixon had and clinton had once it gets to judiciary committee. >> good morning george. this is nothing like the clinton and the nixon impeachment. both sides got to call witnesses under clinton and under nixon. the president's legal counsel was in the room able to ask questions to the witnesses. >> the president trump will have that right once it gets to the judiciary committee. >> there's no guarantee of that.
the resolution they just passed in a very partisan way gives the chairman the full discretion to kick the president's legal counsel out of the room and veto any witnesses we would call. that was in the resolution. we had an amendment to change that. they didn't accept any republican amendments or negotiate with the white house on the resolution. under clinton and nixon there was a bipartisan action to have fair rules. they don't want fair rules. they just want to hurt president trump's chances at re-election. it's all about reversing the results of the 2016 election. there are no high crimes or misdemeanors. >> you heard chairman engel say it's about the president's behavior. at issue is the president's attempt to get the president of ukraine to investigate his political opponent. his own nominee for ambassador to russia john sullivan was asked about that. let's watch. >> do you think it's appropriate
for the president to use his office to solicit investigations into a political opponent? >> solicits investigations into a political opponent, i don't think that would be in accord with our values. >> very clear statement there. it's wrong for the president to solicit investigations into a political opponent. do you agree? >> that's not what was happening on the phone call. even when the president said will you do me a favor, he went on to ask about crowd strike. that wasn't out joe biden. taking that out of context -- >> it's about his political opponents. the transcript clearly shows the president was asking ukrainian president to investigate his political opponents, both the democrats in 2016 and joe biden going forward. do you think that was appropriate? >> that wasn't about political opponents. the law requires president trump or any president when they're sending foreign aid, tax payer money to ensure the country is
rooting out corruption. he and zelensky were talking about that on the phone call. >> the only instances he raised were crowd strike involving the democrats and the energy company involving joe biden. it's a simple question. do you think it's appropriate for the president to ask the ukrainian or the chinese which he's also done in public to investigate his domestic political opponents? >> on that call he was not talking about the 2020 election or political opponents. he was talking about corruption relating to the 2016. >> that's not what the transcript shows. >> when russia tried to interfere with our election, it was barack obama who was president, not president trump. president trump has a legal requirement to ensure the country given foreign aid is taking steps to root out corruption. he and president zelensky talked about that. zelensky was asked did he think
it was inappropriate and was there pressure put on him and president zelensky said he wasn't pressured. >> i didn't ask about pressure. i asked about the phone call and all the other testimony that's come out this week in the last couple weeks from ambassador taylor, from colonel vindman, from fiona hill they say white white house visit, were all conditioned on aid. i asked a question removed from that. is it okay for the president to ask ukrainians to investigate his political opponents? >> it wasn't about a political opponent. first of all joe biden when he was vice president of the united states -- that's what we're talking about -- bragged about that he went to ukraine and withheld the money. he said i'm not leaving -- he said in six hours i'm leaving with the billion dollars unless you fire the prosecutor that was looking into his son. joe biden bragged about that.
it's not a question about fact. it happened. ukraine had a lot of concerns about corruption. zelensky got elected on a platform to root out corruption. he was focussed on that. president trump already authorized the sale of javelin missiles. that was so ukraine could stand up to russia. president obama and joe biden would not send those javelin missiles to ukraine. i don't know why they withheld them. president trump sold them to held ukraine stand up to russia. >> your position is not that it's okay for the president to solicit political investigations into his opponent, you believe it just didn't happen? >> it wasn't about the 2020 election. it was about what happened prior in 2016, corruption in ukraine. the law requires the president to certify that a country before they get foreign aid is actually taking steps to root out corruption. pelosi voted for that. schiff voted for that.
i would imagine eliot engel voted for that. at the end of the day the president was talking to zelensky about rooting out corruption. >> zelensky said there was nothing wrong with the call. and he got the money. he actually got the tax payer money. >> he only mentioned crowd striking and the bidens. it was clear also, the president asking the chinese to investigate joe biden. is that okay? >> that was a rhetorical thing he threw out there to get the press riled up. in the end what you're seeing democrats talking about is using impeachment to hurt trump's chances in 2020. the lead author of the articles of impeachment said if they don't impeach president trump, he will get re-elected. that's not why you have impeachment. it's for high crimes and misdemeanors. alexander hamilton warned about this, about impeachment being used for political advantage. they've not laid out a crime. president trump gave the money to ukraine.
zelensky acknowledged that. current law that democrats voted for requires the president before he sends tax payer money to ukraine to ensure they're rooting out corruption. that's what they were talking about. >> the defense department certified they were doing that. final question. you'll have the chance to propose witnesses. who do you want to call? >> there are a lot of people. the whistle-blower themself. even the ig reported this person has a political bias. there are many reports the whistle-blower actually worked for joe biden. that concerns people. there are reports that adam schiff and his staff coached the whistle-blower prior to the whistle-blower report being released. those are serious questions when somebody behind closed doors is trying to take out a sitting president. there are a lot of questions that haven't been answered. we can't see the transcripts still. i wish those were held in public
like the nixon and clinton trials. this is nothing like nixon and clinton. they're behind closed doors to deny rights to republicans and president trump and the american people. the vast majority of american people only know about leaked reports, many of which are turning out to be false when you talk to people that were actually in the room, but we can't see that because it's private. >> congressman scalise, thanks for your time. >> thank you, george. >> round table is up next. . >> thank you, george. >> round table is up next. annoepidemic fueled by juul use with their kid-friendly flavors. san francisco voters stopped the sale of
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he was very well protected. he didn't expect this. tremendous protection. he died whmpering and crying. he spent his last moments on earth cowering, crying and trembling in fear from the american warrior that was right there. >> president trump, those details of whimpering and crying, apparently only the president knows about that. it's been disputed by the military, saying theall. wet itics of ek. of new jersermer governor julie pace, the washington bureau chief for the a.p. and alexi mccammond from axios. let's begin with impeachment.
we saw chairman engel and steve scalise. we're seeing party line vote on the next steps of the impeachment. it appears the republicans in the house are settling on the strategy you can't believe what you saw with your own eyes. >> i think for the american people it's political. the whe whole thing is politica driven. the republican's responses are politically driven. congressman engel didn't answer the question either when you showed him the question from 20 years ago. he wouldn't answer that either. that shows real people watching the hell with all of this. i'm telling you, george, i believe by the time we get to the end of this people will be like the democrats hate trump. they want to get him out. republicans are supporting him no matter what happened and let's get to an election and decide ourselves. >> ever a public hearings? >> i think so.
>> it's clear nobody is above the law. here's what you have when you step back and clear the dust and fog. you have a president who said this was a perfect phone call. you have every career foreign policy officials make a beeline to their lawyers. the lawyers make a beeline to a secure computer and the republicans in congress are like sergeant schultz. i see nothing. i hear nothing. i know nothing. if it gets to the senate -- it's not impeachment. it's impeachment investigation. if it gets to the senate, they won't let him off scott free. they're going to what he's done. what he's done is against -- it goes to the fundamental is the president above the law. the rules of the united states say nobody is above the law. >> not denying it would be a serious matter if th were soliciting. maybe get to the point of saying
yes, but not an impeachable offense. >> you get a different sense talking to senate republicans versus house respects. there's more concern about the underlying behavior of the president from the senate. senators are elected statewide. i do think, though, unless democrats can find a way to make this whole process look less partisan and last week's vote made that hard for them, i think the number of senate republicans at this point would go forward with convicting the president is extremely low. >> our poll shows that's a vulnerability for democrats. one of the things they might be banking on is that the public that elr ll make a difference. star witnesses in past investigations. i don't think they can bank on the public hearings to they thi will change public opinion.
your poll shows, there's an a.p. poll that shows 50% of americans think democrats are acting on politically motivated ideals. when i was in youngstown, ohio voters were reflecting this message. that was at the beginning of the impeachment situation. voters there who voted for obama and then voted for trump, voted for romney and then voted for clinton, they said they felt this was nothing but a distracti distraction. i think it really is a messaging opportunity to tell them what they're doing in addition to impeachment. >> when the curtain gets raised publicly, we'll not be where we were four weeks ago. it's moving in the trajectory. i think the soft under belly for democrats is if this blocks out any discussion of issues at all. if you look at the timeline, this will hurt the president, but won't beat the president. it's not a good thing to go and be a president, if it concludes -- again, this is an
impeachment inquiry. it's not impeachment. that's a fact that gets lost. >> that's very funny. >> no, it's not. >> it is. it's very funny. it's an impeachment. they're going to impeach them. it's been determined. >> no. the democrats got to be clear they're looking for answers. a public hearing when you get everybody out there, that's going to set a precedent that's going to keep the numbers moving. >> rahm, listen to adam schiff, the guy who's running this. he's determined the president's to be impeached. the guy who is supposed to be presiding over a hearing where both sides can bring in their witnesses and it's supposed to be fair, y has absolutely determined that the president is to be impeached. he said it publicly. let's stop the charade. he's going to be impeached. >> if you have the ambassador taylor and colonel vindman
getting up and telling their stories, the question i see is about white house responses. president clinton apologized. ronald reagan apologized during iran contra hearings. it doesn't appear that president trump is going to do anything but stand by the idea that this phone call was perfect. is that enough? >> remember when those apologies occurred. the clinton apology and reagan apology was afte everything wasdone. we don't know what the president is going to do. passed on his past actions do we think that donald trump will apologize -- >> don't go out on a limb. >> i've known him for 18 years. >> go. >> it's unlikely he'll apologize. >> thanks for clarifying. it's unlikely -- he's pursuing it the way clinton did. he's compartmentalizing this.
trump is fighting this every day with every tweet. even this morning. continues to push. that's his style. that's who he is. anybody who thinks they're going to go into the white house and convince donald trump to say let's talk about something else is going to lose. >> that's the problem for senate republicans. >> sure. >> according to our reporting, it shows they're frustrated that the white house isn't giving them any messaging guidance on impeachment. >> they're giving it to them. fight. >> how long can you sustain a message that i'm fighting against the democrats? >> for president trump that's the re-election strategy. if you look at the polls right now, this is an extremely polarized country. you have democrats opposed to the president and republicans who are supportive. his best chance of getting re-elected is to hold the republicans together. not to grow the base or convince independents or moderate republicans that he did nothing wrong or to try to apologize and ask for forgiveness. it's to hold the republican base and fighting is the way he's going to do that. >> the biggest poll number of the week was that 74% of
republicans. >> down from 87%. >> that has every marriaginaliz republican going beep, beep. when the curtain gets raised, it's not going from 70% to 87%. it's dropping. >> let's talk about the democratic race. we saw the field start to come down this week. tim ryan dropped out and also beto o'rourke. >> we don't have the means to pursue this campaign successfully. my service will not be as a candidate, nor as an nominee of this party for the presidency. though this is the end of this campaign, we are right in the middle of this fight. >> alexi, it seems that mayor pete took the space that beto thought he was going to have at the beginning of the campaign and we're getting some clarity out of the field. >> that's right.
the interesting thing about these polls is that it's not necessarily about pete's rise. it's the fact that pete is alone in the middle tier. he's the only person in the middle of the pack. if it's a two-way race, it's between the three frontrunners, warren, bernie, biden, and mayor pete. everyone else is in single di squ digits. >> and he's 30 years younger than that top tier. >> look, i think when you look at the poll that came out, basically voters are still unsure. they're not anchored to any candidate. this is an incredibly fluid race. i'll say that one of the candidates coming out of the second tier -- although i don't think that's a good term -- are going to come out and surprise people and have a ticket out of iowa. >> you mean even the ones at 2% and 1%? >> yes. nate did this earlier. john kerry was poling at 5%.
i think people are looking at who is the best person to beat donald trump. that is the ideological north star for democrats. they're still in the hunt trying to figure out who that is. >> our poll shows on that number it's still joe biden. he seems to be falling on all other qualities. >> also strong leader he comes through well ahead any others. if you're looking at rahm's philosophy who can beat donald trump and stand up to donald trump on that debate stage biden is ahead 2-1 over warren and sanders and even more over mayor pete. the big story is elizabeth warren. she's made herself less electable. less electable by a big margin by what she did this week. she owns this issue. a third of her plan is based upon unexplained savings.
$7 trillion on unexplained savings and the rest on tax increases. george, as a governor i'm sensitive to this. $6.1 trillion in added expenses to state governments. you know what that means? higher middle class taxes that are going to be passed not by the federal governments, but state governments. they're going to have to pay this tab to the feds. >> julie, she's making a huge bet on this proposal. >> she absolutely is. she was hoping to side up to bernie sanders on medicare for all and get through this plan. what i'm struck by if you accept her top line numbers -- there are a lot of economists and health care experts who did. if you do and you dig in how she wants to accomplish this, there are big step that is have to get through congress first. comprehensive immigration reform, you probably have to do filibuster reform. that's deeply controversial.
those are two major pieces of legislation she would have to enact. >> rahm, you didn't mince words in the "washington post." you called it a pipe dream. >> here's what it is. she was drafting behind bernie. it was bernie's idea. now she owns this idea. she took it from a health care idea to a tax idea. that's not a place you want to be. i still believe every argument not about 2% on people earning above $50 billion, this is not going to happen and it's not the way you argue health care. having done the aca for obama, the politics of this is she's making it more difficult on the issue of cost control. it's a pipe dream. when we had 58 democratic senators we couldn't get an option. what makes you think -- i say this in the piece. give me the nine republicans who are going to vote medicare for all and i'll declare new york
pizza better than chicago pizza not going to happen. >> george, remember something else, when you look through the specifics of her plan, one of the things she says is $1.4 trillion in higher taxes because people are not going to be paying premiums, they'll be paying the government. those are middle class people paying more money than paying in premiums. >> here's the problem for democrats. we have the lead on health care by 20%. if we fail on health care, our base gets depressed. they don't turn out in the midterms and all the things we want to do on climate change, education, social justice fall by the wayside. >> you spent some time in iowa. elizabeth warren said you need a bold proposal to energize the voters. is that what you're seeing? >> we see energy behind elizabeth warren, but i don't know if that's because of medicare for all. i think that is also reflected
in specific language in her policy paper which refers to medicare for all as a long-term goal. that's how she's been talking behind the scenes with labor unions who are skeptical of this plan. she's been referring to it as a long-term goal. not on a national debate stage, but with smaller groups. now we see that in her policy paper. that reflects the reality she knows this isn't going to get passed. >> let me tell you how the president is going to play this. those people, the operating engineers, the carpenters, the iron workers, steel workers who have good private health care plans through their union, he's going to go to them and say she's taking away your health care. who are do those folks live? pennsylvania, michigan, ohio, wisconsin. this is a huge problem and a benefit to the president. >> i see rahm nodding his head. >> this is a battle between revolution versus reform.
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