>> announcer: "this week" with george stephanopoulos starts right now. mideast mission. >> for an american president to be silent on the issue of human rights is inconsistent with who we are and who i am. >> president biden defends his controversial meeting with the saudi crown prince as he pushes

for more oil production. >> for the president himself to be there i think it sends the wrong message. >> now returning home to an anxious economy and a major blow to his domestic agenda. this morning, the very latest with mary bruce and rebecca jarvis and senator bernie sanders responds to the demise of the progressive agenda. winning the west. >> i did vote for president trump the first time around but i will never vote for him again. >> we travel to wyoming where donald trump won by his largest margin, to see how the january 6th hearings are playing out as the committee prepares to wrap its latest series of hearings. >> you're asking a question, where is the evidence? >> congresswoman zoe lofgren. summer surge. >> it's certainly the most immune evasive. >> the newest covid variant

drives up cases and hospitalizations once again. dr. ashish jha gives us the outlook ahead. >> announcer: from abc news, it's "this week." here, now, co-anchor martha raddatz. good morning and welcome to "this week." as we come on the air this morning, president biden has just conclude a controversial four-day trip to the middle east. where he recommitted the u.s. to the region and celebrated closer ties between israel and saudi arabia. but after promising during the 2020 presidential campaign to make saudi arabia a pariah for the murder of "washington post" journalist jamal khashoggi. he urged the oil-rich nation to boost production amid rising pressure to prevent sky-high inflation and soaring gas prices. the saudis made no such guarantee during the trip and

while overseas a big story breaking here at home, the president receiving a major blow to his domestic agenda. moderate democrat joe manchin of west virginia putting a stake in the heart of biden's major climate and tax reform proposals. the question now, with biden back in washington, can his administration turn the economy around? with less than four months to the midterms. chief business and economics correspondent rebecca jarvis is standing by, but we begin with senior white house correspondent mary bruce, who's been traveling with the president, and mary, the president is now home after a week of criticism but also some important achievements abroad. >> reporter: yeah, martha, the white house is defending this trip. look, the president knew he was going to face blowback for this. it was a risk that he was willing to take to try and lower gas prices back home and advance regional security and stability. the white house saying you can't make progress on these issues if

you're not in the room. they were able to make steps towards normalizing relations between israel and saudi arabia. the president leave with an expectation that more oil will be flowing into the market. there was no firm announcement and then of course there are the optics of this, that highly choreographed welcome, the fist bump. an imj the white house hoped to avoid, but now will be a lasting image of this presidency, martha. >> mary, as the president was pushing for more oil production to combat inflation, this announcement from joe manchin dealt him an equally crushing blow. >> reporter: a crushing and potentially fatal blow to the president's top agenda items. manchin is firm here, he's not going to support funding for climate change programs, he's against raising taxes on the most wealthy and that effectively kills the president's hopes of passing his ambitious climate change agenda and also passing that sweeping social safety net programs that included things like universal

pre-k and paid family leave. now, the president is trying to salvage what he can here, urging congress to lower healthcare costs. something manchin says he'll support. biden said he'll take executive actions to do what he can to counter climate change, but this is a massive setback for the president's top policy goals. >> it certainly is. thank you, mary. let's turn to our chief and business economics correspondent rebecca jarvis. the economy is sending very mixed signals, inflation keeps rising but the unemployment rate remains near historic lows. >> that's part of the issue right here, martha. what we heard from jpmorgan ceo is the economy is facing these two conflicting factors, on one hand, you have robust job growth, the addition the continual creation of jobs. and on the other hand, you have these 40-year highs in the rise

of inflation, 9.1%, year over year prices going up, and that's costing in real terms american families real money, $493 per month more than they were spending last year on the same goods and services according to moody's. while you have seen gas prices come down in recent weeks, we're now paying about $4.50 nationally, you still have these other areas that continue to climb, things like rents, which, martha, in some places are up 25% from a year ago. that's not the kind of thing that adjusts overnight for families. >> something they're all noticing. meanwhile, the fed has signaled another massive interest rate hike coming later this month, many economists concerned it could bring on a recession. >> and the federal reserve is in

this situation, where some believe they began acting too late, thought inflation was going to be temporary, it's not, deeply entrenched in the economy, they're hiking rates later this month and they'll continue to do that and now it becomes in most of the ceo and analysts' surveys of economists not a matter of if but when there will be a recession and how severe. this week, bank of america put out a call say they believe we'll face a mild recession so some time this year. >> thank you for joining us this morning, rebecca. we're joined now by senator bernie sanders, it's good to see you this morning, senator sanders. president biden is back from his trip, a trip that has gotten a lot of blowback from even your fellow democrats, especially that fist bump with the saudi crown prince. you've referred to saudi arabia as a brutal dictatorship. that crushes democracy. should biden have gone? >> no, i don't think so. you have the leader of that

country, who's involved in the murder of a "washington post" journalist, i don't think that that type of government should be rewarded with a visit by the president of the united states. >> but at the heart of the discussions was oil and president biden said that saudis would take action in the coming weeks, could that make a difference and doesn't that explain why he went? what would you have done? >> martha, i'm sure that's why he went, but the truth of the matter is, if yomatter is, if y the outrageously high cost of gas at the pumps right now, one of the things that we got to look at is the fact that, while americans are now paying $4.50 for a gallon of a gas, the oil company's profits in the last quarter have been extraordinarily high. and i happen to believe that we got to tell the oil companies to stop ripping off the american people and if they don't, we should impose a windfall profit tax on them.

>> would you just ignore the saudis if you were president? >> look, you got a family that's worth $100 billion which crushes democracy, which treats women as third-class citizens, which murders and imprisons its opponents, and if isry believes in anything we believe in human rights, we believe in democracy, and i just don't believe that we should be maintaining a warm relationship with a dictatorship like that. >> and i want to go back to the economy, how concerned are you about a recession? >> well, what i'm really concerned about is increasingly, martha, and i think most americans know this, we're moving rapidly into an oligarchic form of society. we talk about the economy doing poorly for the working class, the middle class, that's true. but we should also recognize the economy is doing extremely well for the people on top, the billionaires who have seen $2 trillion increase in their wealth during this pandemic

while a million americans died. so the struggle must be to create an economy that works for all not just the people on top, a political system which is not dominated by super pacs and millionaires. billionaires. a media that's not owned by large corporations. and i think the american people -- what's very clear, whether you're democrat, republican, independent people are looking, and saying, you don't represent me. you don't know what's going on in my life. i can't afford health care, i can't afford the cost of prescription drugs, i can't afford child care. what are you doing about it? what people are doing about is taking money from super pacs and the rich get richer. >> senator, i want to turn -- >> go ahead. >> senator i want to turn and the agenda, senator manchin of course abc abruptly pulled the plug this week -- >> he didn't abruptly. martha.

he didn't abruptly do. he has sabotaged the president's agenda. no, look, if you check the record, six months ago, i made it clear that you have people like manchin, sinema to a lesser degree, who are intentionally sabotaging the president's agenda. what the american people want. what a majority of us in the democratic caucus want. nothing new about this. the problem was that we continue d to talk manchin like he was serious, he was not. this is a guy who's a major recipient of fossil fuel money, a guy who has received campaign contributions from 25 republican billionaires -- >> okay, senator, you say he wasn't serious. manchin said his main goal is to do what's good for west virginia and he's worried about inflation. listen to what he told a west virginia radio station. >> really, really? >> listen to this, please. >> is that right? >> inflation is absolutely killing many, many people.

they can't buy gasoline, they have a hard time buying groceries, everything they buy and consume for their daily lives is a hardship to them. >> your reaction to that, senator? >> well, look, the same nonsense that manchin has been talking about for a year. west virginia, it's a beautiful state, i have had the pleasure of being there, great people, it's one of poorest states in this country. you ask the people of west virginia whether they want to expand medicare to cover dental, hearing and eye care. ask the people of west virginia demand the wealthiest people and large corporations start paying their fair share of taxes. ask the people of west virginia whether all people should have health care lfor a human right. in my humble opinion, manchin represents the very wealthiest people in this country, not working families in west virginia or america. >> and senator sanders, i want to end if these provisions don't

get passed, doesn't look like they will, what does that mean for democrats, climate goals and climate itself? >> martha, it ain't democrats. it's not the president. it's the future of the planet. when manchin sabotages climate change, this is the future generations what's going on right now. in the west, all over the world, we're looking at significantly increased, more and more heat waves. more drought. more flooding. this is an existential threat to humanity. and what this election must be about is whether or not we're going to vote for candidates to stand up for working people, stand up for the planets and have the courage to take on the billionaire class who dominates our economy. that's what this election is about. the republican party is not there. we need more progressive democrats who are going to fight for workers. >> okay, thank you for joining us this morning, senator sanders. as we mentioned a major blow to president's domestic agenda this week.

as a new poll suggests that americans are souring on his leadership. just 33% say they approve of the president's job handling. now with biden's legislation blocked again by senator manchin, will that polling get worse? and what about manchin himself? who keeps stressing his decision to thwart the climate change plan is all about inflation and serving the people of west virginia. we'll talk with the roundtable about the fallout in a moment. but first, we wanted to hear from voters in manchin's home state to see what they think of their senator's latest move. >> i used to think that joe manchin was for west virginia and for coal, but now i'm not so sure. >> why would somebody go out of their way, like senator manchin, to hold us back and not let us move forward and think that's what the people want. >> i think a lot of the climate crisis is just a made fairytale. it's not going to fly in west virginia. as far as thwarting joe biden's

plan i think he simply follows his convictions with every decision. i totally respect him for that. >> he's holding things up, so i'm not happy with joe manchin. it's all about negotiations. >> just kind of looking at the state that west virginia is in doesn't really look like senator manchin is doing much to help west virginia economy-wise in my opinion. >> we'd rather didn't work with biden. we'd rather he keep going the way he was before. senator manchin, stay west virginia pride. >> okay, for more let's bring in the roundtable. national review editor ramesh ponnuru, heidi heitkamp, abc news political director rick klein. leigh ann caldwell. bernie sanders was pretty fired up there. it seems senator manchin is

getting blowback from everywhere. he's a democratic senator in trump country. >> right. >> in coal country. >> yeah, i mean, the thing is that this has been building from the very beginning after they passed the infrastructure package. they hoped they would get build back better, that stalled out. so this has been a long slog, and you know, i love bernie, i think he's absolutely committed to what he's saying, but his criticism of manchin isn't that relevant. right, he's going to be critical, has been critical since day one. the question is, what does catherine cortez mantos saying to bernie? in tougher races. what is the senator hasan from new hampshire saying? reainrit w? senators who are in th would love something to

come home to, that they can say, look at what we've gotten done, insulin, the expansion of subsidies for obamacare, whether it's negotiation on prescription drugs. >> rick, manchin said he did this because of his views that further spending would increase inflation, which he's been consistently warning about. he's not the only one. >> he's been saying this out loud since the beginning, even during the whole long process last year on the infrastructure bill, all along democrats have hoped they could get something else. yes, it's striking how many democrats came out and blasted away as if they weren't the party in power. people on the progressive side, people like tim ryan, john fetterman in pennsylvania, we got to do something about this now. what they want to do is a lot different than what joe manchin wants to do. democrats have recognized this is an existential threat to their majority. there's a window here to get some things done on aca subsidies, prescription drug

pricing, things they still can do. but as long as there's in fighting and anger within the party, it becomes harder. >> ramesh, as you watch all of this with manchin, what do you think? >> the continued drama of manchin, the focus of progressive ire in the democratic party is obscuring a change in what happened with this reconciliation bill. it always had a problem finding rational, it always a grab bag of everything the democrats wanted that they thought they could with 51 votes in the senate, didn't have a coherent message behind it, now it has shrunk down even if manchin agrees to it. >> and leigh ann, senator manchin does support medicare to negotiation drug prices.

>> it's a big question, democrats have a choice on what they're going to move forward with, if something is better than nothing, that's something they're going to be discussing this week. republicans have to decide if they're going support that, too, a decision for leader mcconnell and how that's going to impact races around the country. democrats hope that republicans don't so that they can back to voters and say we're the party that will lower your prescription drug costs, keep your subsidies for the affordable care act low. we'll see what the democrats can actually get done. >> heidi, on the latest inflation report, which was not good, president biden's response was that it's not reflective of current conditions and it's true, that gas prices have gone down but people continue to feel it every day. this is the big story. >> it's the huge story and unless the democrats have a response like we're lowering your healthcare costs, we're doing everything that we can to

subsidize low-in housing credits, because we're going to be going into the heating season, never mind this heat wave that we're experiencing where we're now seeing high energy prices and electricity. what they've got to do, to me what the democrats have to do is they have to draw a distinction to motivate their base, this now has become a base turnout midterm. i think they have a big base motivator with roe being overturned. we have i think mcconnell now saying i'm going to hold up chips. most people in north dakota, in the country, don't know what that is, he's only hurting republicans in ohio by saying that. so the republicans don't have a lot of leverage right now to stop the democrats have putting together a package that respond concerns about inflation. reconciliation, excuse me. >> meanwhile, rick, as gas prices are falling so are joe

biden's number, how does he come back from this? what does he do? >> the white house's view, if they can get some points on the board, get something done significantly that impacts people's live around healthcare, the president said he'll continue to work on climate, a lot of the part of the base care about pretty deeply. they're hoping that the inflation numbers get better. they'll deal with manchin. more broadly, making this into a choice and not a referendum, that's what incumbents always say. the fact that biden's numbers are falling, even as the democrats seem to be doing a little bit better in the generic ballot, maybe you got an opportunity for the midterms not to be a total wipeout for the party. that's the best they can hope for four months or so out. > and ramesh, i want to turn

back to this foreign trip, jamal khashoggi's murder was looming over this trip to saudi, but biden went there to re-establish relationships and for oil. clearly nothing happening immediately. is there any hope for some long-term solution here? >> well, i think you've got several problems here, one is that the president has sacrificed some reputation for return not much that's immediate. the second is, there are some questions about whether the saudis even have the capacity to increase production at the levels that americans would like to see, and third, does the u.s. have the refining capacity in order to make that translate into lower prices at the pump? so i don't think that this trip is going to be a political win for the administration. >> leigh ann, biden of course met with the saudi crown prince, you heard what bernie sanders said. here's adam schiff what said. the fist bump between the two man. if we ever needed a visual reminder of the continuing grip oil-rich autocrats have on u.s. foreign policy in the middle

east, we got it today. one fist bump is worth a thousand words. is this trip thumbs down? >> democrats aren't pleased about it. the fact that they're criticizing the president of their own party, but the white house is saying, look, we didn't want to leave a vacuum in the middle east, we need this oil. balance that with human rights. what we'll have to see looking ahead, did this trip do all of those things? was he able to implore about human rights, able to get the oil and fulfill that vacuum in the middle east? that's going to be answered today it will happen in the next few weeks. >> send a message to china and russia that we're back if the middle east, we'll see how that goes as well. we'll come back. the roundtable will be back with more. but first, an inside look at this week's primetime january 6th committee hearing. i traveled to wyoming to speak with voters about congresswoman liz cheney's pivotal role in the investigation. with just weeks to go until the

state's primary election. we'll be right back.

now the argument seems to be that president trump was manipulated by others outside the administration. the strategy is to blame people, his advisers called, quote, the crazies for what donald trump did. this of course is nonsense. president trump is a 76-year-old man, he's not an impressionable child. >> january 6th committee vice chair liz cheney laying out some of the case against donald trump

we'll see in this week's primetime hearing. we wanted to see how the hearings are resonating with voters outside of washington. we traveled to wyoming where donald trump carried his biggest margin of victory in 2020 and liz cheney faces a vigorous trump-backed challenger, in next month's primary, which could serve as a canary in the coal mine for donald trump's future. it's the least populist state in the country but the most republican. wyoming giving nearly 70% of its vote in 2020 to donald trump. at this house in casper the trump flag is still flying. so we asked him to come on out and talk about the new revelations in the hearings. >> i just think it's all politics, there's nothing there. they're trying to make something out of nothing. >> reporter: in fact, darrell said he didn't watch much of the

hearings or seem to know that much about the assault on the capitol itself. >> i think it was wrong what they did in the capitol and everything, but i don't think it was an insurrection or anything like that. so, they did what they did. nobody was hurt. >> nobody was hurt? what about the police officers? we showed him videos from that day but -- >> well, of course that's not right, but that happens in all demonstrations. >> reporter: needless to say, his support for trump has not wavered. as for liz cheney no way would he vote for her again. it's a the trump-backed candidate harriet hegeman who will likely get his vote. sue schilling also a casper resident told us cheney's vote

to impeach trump and her role in the hearings turned her off completely. you voted for liz cheney the past? >> yes, i voted for her the last time. >> but not this time? >> i won't vote for her this time. >> why not? >> i think liz has really gone after president trump on this j6 debacle. >> reporter: we spent eight hours driving through wyoming, erare plen signs scattered throughout and plenty of people who support >> i'm absolutely appalled and beyond myself that i would have a cheney sign in my yard, i have never been a cheney fan, but on this particular issue i just admire that and that's why it's there. >> reporter: and a country store in casper, he supports cheney. >> i think she's doing a good job holding president trump

accountable and that's, you know, a tough deal. because she's a republican and so it looks like she's a benedict arnold but in my opinion she's standing her ground. >> did you vote in the 2020 presidential election? >> yes, i did. >> who did you vote for? >> well, i voted for trump. >> would you vote for him again? >> no. >> reporter: at the central wyoming fair and rodeo, charlotte and chris skinner stopped to talk. he's a republican, she's a democrat. >> i do plan to go, prior to the primaries, change my affiliation back and i'm going to vote for liz. >> if she wins the republican nomination, would you vote for him in the general election? >> absolutely, yes, she's amazing. >> i'm a registered republican and i have never voted in the primary election but i'm going to do this year because i want to vote for liz. i'll be honest with you, i voted for president trump the first

time around but i will never vote for him again. >> and we're joined now by a member of the january 6th committee, congresswoman zoe lofgren. welcome. >> good morning. >> thanks for coming in this morning. you watched that, we obviously saw minds that were changed by the hearings, but a recent monmouth poll found that less than a quarter of americans are paying attention and 90% of those watching the hearings have not changed their minds, did you go into this believing you could change minds? >> we went into it trying to do our job, we assigned the task as a committee of uncovering all of the facts about the 6th and the events leading up to the 6th so that we could report on that. we hope to do it in a way that's accessible to all americans. i think, you know, some people have heard us, more than 55 million people have watched some part of the committee proceedings, but in the end it's an obligation to do our job

that's motivating us. >> late friday, your committee subpoenaed the secret service for text messages that you believed were erased. the secret service said that was part of a planned system migration and none of the messages were pertinent to the investigation, do you believe that's true? >> well, you can imagine how shock we were to get the letter from the inspector general saying that he had been trying to get this information and that they had in fact been deleted after he asked for them. we did get a briefing from the inspector general of homeland security, and there was a statement made by the spokesperson for the department saying it wasn't true, it wasn't fair, and that they in fact had pertinent texts. if you have them we need them. we expect to get them by this tuesday, so we'll see.

>> just all the text messages. >> we need all the texts from the 5th and 6th of january. i was shocked to hear that they didn't back up their data before they reset their iphones, that's crazy. i don't know why that would be, but we need to get this information to get the full picture. >> and what could be the final hearing is on thursday in primetime, it's focusing on donald trump's actions on january 6th, we've heard liz cheney say what he didn't do that day, but do you have specific evidence beyond that for what you have called the dereliction of duty? >> i'm going to let the hearing speaks for itself but we hope to go through minute by minute what happened, what didn't happen on that day and people can make their own judgment. >> and the committee also talked about possible witness tampering with the potential witness getting a phone call, will this week's hearing back up that claim at all? >> i don't think we're going to

go into that in this hearing, but we do think it's highly improper for the former president calling witnesses and making them feel under pressure. that's not the right thing to do. >> and committee chairman bennie thompson told reporters that the committee is still possibly trying to interview mike pence or even donald trump. have you not decided yet? everything is on the table. when will you make that decision? >> we'll make the decision in the appropriate time frame, this investigation is very much ongoing. the fact that this series of hearings is going to be concluded this thursday doesn't mean that our investigation is over, it's very active, new witnesses are coming forward, additional information is coming forward, there are things that we're looking at still and so, those discussions will be very pertinent. >> so you could have another series of hearings? >> well, i'm not suggesting we will or won't. we will, and we've indicated

this, we'll have a report this fall and whether we have a public unveiling of that, you know, that's yet to be decided, but we'll have a summation, an interim report and then a final report later this year. >> and the department of justice obviously does not have to wait for any criminal referral from your committee, we talked about this a lot over the last couple of months, has there been a decision whether you might make a criminal referral? > we haven't made that decision until we more or less completed our investigation. there's no real legal process for the so-called criminal referral, it's essentially just writing a letter to the department of justice saying here's what we think and we might well do that, but the doj should be looking at all of this, doing their own investigation, and obviously we're cooperating with them on certain matters at their request, but they're the ones that make the criminal charges not a legislative committee. >> you talk about when your

investigation is over, will the investigation do you believe be over by the midterms? >> it depends on what comes in. frankly if the president's supporters had not engaged in frivolous litigation for months on end we would be farther along than we are. we're going to plow ahead and get our job done, and lay the facts out for the american people. >> you talked about the department of justice and looking at criminal referrals, and things such as that. representative thompson said the justice department has only asked the committee for witness testimony over the fraudulent electorates. >> i do think there's a much broader plot here, i think that's pretty obvious. i would not want to tell the attorney general how to conduct his investigations but i will say this, they have subpoena power and they have a lot easier way to enforce their subpoenas than congress does.

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to evade immune responses either from the vaccine or from people who have been previously infected, the ability to infect an individual is enhanced over prior variants, so this is something that you don't want to panic about but we really need to pay attention to it. >> dr. anthony fauci discussing the latest covid variant driving a spike in new cases across the country. here to discuss is the white house covid-19 response coordinator dr. ashish jha. it's great to see you again, dr. jha. this new ba.5 variant is described as the most transmissable. we don't want to panic, but now it's the most dominant, deaths are also increasing, so how dangerous is this? >> good morning, martha. thank you for having me back. as you heard from dr. fauci it's the most immune evasive. what that means in practical terms, if you're infected three,

four months, you can get reinfected. we're seeing people who are not up to date on their vaccines, have breakthrough infections. but the good news here is, martha, our tools and our vaccines, if you're up to date, vaccinated recently, if you get an infection, if you get treatments, those continue to work really, really well, so this is an area of concern but we know how to manage this. >> but are those who have been vaccinated, boosted and have been infected before getting infected at the same rate as those who have not. >> yeah, we're still seeing protection against infection, i mean obviously protection against serious illness is still -- but we're still seeing some protection against infection but not as much. this is that immune evasive nature of this virus. if you got your booster last november or december, you don't have as much protection against this virus as you'd like. so, one of the key messages coming out of this moment is, if you're 50 or over and you have

not gotten a shot this year n the year 2022. it's absolutely critical that you go out and get one now. >> you know, i have to say i've been traveling again this week, on airplanes, in airports, so few people wearing masks. in new york city, a 15% positivity rate, "the new york times" described it as kind of a reaction to this variant. what do you do? >> first of all, it's important to remind people of the public health science, it's very clear, if you're in a crowded indoor space wearing a mask reduces your risk of infection and your risk of spreading it to others. encourage people to do that. we've been doing a lot to make testing widely available, really a good way of slowing down the spread, and then encouraging people to get vaccinated and get up to date on their vaccines and as i said earlier if you have a breakthrough infection getting treated we don't want people ending up in the hospital and

treatments are working really well. >> l.a. county announced this week if cases continue on the same trajectory they'll have an idoor mask mandate, it looks likely that will happen, i assume that's something that you support should other states look at this in. >> yeah, my view on this has been for two years, well before i came into this current role, my view has been clear, which is local jurisdictions, cities, counties and states should make decisions about mask mandates because communities are different and their patterns of transmission is different. that said, cdc has clear guidance on this as well through their covid community levels and the cdc recommendation is that when you're in a high zone, that orange zone, as l.a. county is, you know, people wearing masks indoors is really important and it really will make a difference. >> what does it say about this virus with all these new variants, what is the future? >> yeah, this is a very good question.

the way i look at this, this is a virus that's still evolving rapidly, we're still in the middle of this pandemic, now obviously we're in a way better place than we were in a year and a half ago. compared to january 2021 to now. much, much better. but we still have work to do. we got to stay on top of this virus, we got to keep building new generations of vaccines and we have adequate treatments, we can get through this, but it's not -- we've got to stay focused and we are. we're staying focused on managing this. >> according to cdc data, about 60 million adults over 50 are eligible for that second booster, but only one in four have gotten it, waiting for a new booster in the fall and should they? >> yeah, what i'm recommending everybody over 50, if you haven't gotten a shot in the last six months, in the year 2022, you need to get one now,

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i like ron desan tis. i know what i'm getting with trump, the good, the bad, the ugly and everything. trump sounds pretty good to me. gavin newsom may be the only guy that biden is willing to deport. it's one of those things, i've tried to say no, no way, in every way i possibly can, it's just fodder, it's made up and it is, frankly, it's not helpful. >> some early chatter already under way for the 2024 presidential race. we're back now with the roundtable, and rick, i want to start with you, i want to go back to those interviews in wyoming. you heard people say it's anecdotal, it's not a scientific poll, saying they wouldn't vote for trump again, but have the hearings, january 6th itself, moved the needle in a significant way, do you believe? >> i think something really interesting in that report, martha, if you look at the narrow sense, did trump

supporters still support him? i think the answer is yes. i don't think the hearings have changed that. i think where they have moved the needle potentially is what it's put in the water, put in the ground for 2024. you now have a body of evidence that can be used against the former president in a competitive primary situation, which we're going to be in. he's not going to get a free pass, even if you don't talk about criminal charges, you have a body of evidence that's going to be used against him to say, this is how he acted. to that extent these hearings have been extraordinarily effective, there's been a lot of of evidence, lot of new information about the conduct of the former president himself that's impossible for him to avoid. >> leigh ann, you look at what happened in those hearings, you hear zoe lofgren say, it's ongoing, it's ongoing, does that really help democrats particularly with the economy the way it is now? that's really what people are talking about. >> absolutely, and democrats

aren't under any illusion that voters are going to go to the polls, especially in these midterms on january 6th, speaker pelosi has told her caucus behind closed doors that people are going to vote on inflation and the economy. it's democrats' job to be stewards of democracy and they must go forward anyway, but the question is, as rick you kind of laid out is, what about those moderates, those voters who had trump out of their mind, they weren't thinking about trump, but now it's kind of put it back into place, do we want a republican party who continues to support the former president? we'll have to wait and see how people vote, ultimately it's the economy that's going to drive them to the polls and perhaps, though, with the issue of abortion and guns in the news that could be a motivating factor for some democrats. that's what democrats hope anyway. >> i want to go back a little bit to the possible charges we

talked about, you were attorney general in north dakota, what do you see are the issues that still need to be investigated? >> i think there needs to be more nexus between the president and the insurrectionists. you saw his two big supporters, both general flynn and i use that term lightly, the general side of that, general flynn and roger stone meeting with them being providing security, but how much dialogue was there between the white house and the president and stone and flynn about what the next step was after pence decided i'm not going to do what you wanted me to do. so i don't think they have the nexus yet. the important thing is, the president has been reinjected. a re-reminder -- a lot of the people you talked to, martha, already made up their mind whether they wanted

president trump to run again or be president again, this is just a reminder, and for the midterms this is base motivator. when people say, look, we know remember why we fought so hard for joe biden in spite of challenges he had we can't let this party who has supported this kind of behavior back in power. >> i have to say watching those hearings one of the most stunning moments was hearing the testimony of michael flynn when he was asked whether he believed in the peaceful transfer of power, and he took the fifth. ramesh, you again saw those interviews in wyoming as well, a recent "new york times"/siena college poll showed less than half of primary voters would choose donald trump as a candidate. his fund-raising has slowed. >> i think he's losing altitude in the party, but the fact is, he's still the most important single figure in the republican party there's no other individual whose endorsement

matters more, but every month as we get a little bit more distance from the trump administration, republicans move into a more post-trump frame of mind and i think the one way that the january 6th committee might have aided that process is by creating a trump fatigue on the part of republican voters, there might be a growing sense we just don't want to keep relitigating this over and over again. >> rick there are reports that he may announce his bid for the presidency this fall, what are you hearing and why so soon? >> he clearly wants to do it. he's told people around it he wants to do it. sooner than the traditional time line after the midterms. two main reasons for him to do it. one would be potentially shielding himself from merrick garland and from an investigation. the idea you wouldn't want to go after an active candidate for president. the other thing would be to take advantage of the political environment, take more credit for how republicans do in the midterms.

the flip of that is he may ruin it for republicans. we have already seen some of his choices for senate appear to be backfired early on. we've had scandals, lagging fund-raising, major flaws in some of these candidates. if this is about choice versus a referendum, you made it easier than ever for democrats. >> thanks, rick klein. we'll be right back. anks, r. we'll be right back. another busy day? of course - you're a cio in 2022.

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