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>> announcer: "this week" with george stephanopoulos starts right now. breaking news. democrats keep the senate. >> this election is a victory, a visibilitiry and a vindication for democrats. >> a reflection of the quality of our candidates. >> the house too close to call. mccarthy's bid in peril. >> there will be a challenge to mccarthy's leadership. >> republicans blame donald trump. >> i think trump's kind of a drag on our ticket. >> hail a rising star. >> we will never ever surrender where woke goes to die. >> as president vows to work with the gop. >> the american people made it
clear they expect republicans to work with me as well. house speaker nancy pelosi, republican governor chris sununu and our powerhouse roundtable. >> announcer: from abc news, it's "this week," here now, george stephanopoulos. good morning, and welcome to "this week." five days after the election votes are still being counted but a few things are clear -- democrats defied history with catherine cortez masto's victory in nevada last night, they keep control of the senate, president biden on track for the party's best first-term performance since jfk. republicans are reeling, the red wave emphatically denied. if they take the house, the lead will beo citizenous. who will be speaker of the house is anyone's guess. america's voters rejected radical change, repudiated election lies and delivered a stunning rebuke to donald trump, in the words of the dean of america's political reporters,
this election was an incremental earthquake. we'll analyze it all this morning, rachel scott starts us off. good morning, rachel. >> reporter: george, good morning, and this was far from the red wave that republicans were hoping for in a year where the president's party faced low approval ratings and record high inflation. democrats with decisive wins. after five days of waiting, democrats triumphant holding their senate majority, outperforming expectations and defying history. in nevada senator catherine cortez masto fending off trump-endorsed adam laxalt. the last batch of mail-in ballots handing her her win. >> there was no red wave, democrats had a blue wave of accomplishment. >> reporter: democrats at 50 senate seats after two other key victories flipping pennsylvania's senate seat blue with john fetterman and keeping mark kelly in arizona. georgia heading to a runoff election. the house of representatives still up for grabs for both parties. without a clear outcome
president biden promising to work across the aisle but that will be challenge with a potentially divided congress. >> on this election season the american people made it clear, they don't want every day going forward to be a constant political battle. >> reporter: he faces a tough road if democrats lose the house, republicans are already planning to investigate his administration, even his family, and halt his domestic agenda. >> i have a pen that can veto. >> reporter: the republican party now facing a reckoning after 30 of trump picked candidates lost. his influence on the party a worry some republicans shared months before election day. >> candidate quality has a lot to do with the outcome. >> reporter: president biden last night saying that's exactly what led democrats to victory. >> i think it's a reflection of the quality of our candidates. >> reporter: former president donald trump is still expected to announce his candidacy for 2024 this week, a potential competitor florida governor desantis who had a decisive win on tuesday.
>> almost certainly become the rallying point for everybody in the republican party who wants to move beyond president trump. >> reporter: in the house kevin mccarthy is already announcing his bid for speaker, he'll need almost every republican vote to win and he's already facing a threat from the maga faction, speaker of the house nancy pelosi's team firing back saying the minority is still the minority leader. signaling democrats are still in the fight. the president acknowledge that it will be a stretch for democrats to hang on to the house and if the republicans do win it will be by a narrow majority. george. >> rachel scott, thanks very much. let's bring in the house speaker nancy pelosi. thank you for joining us this morning. congratulations on the outcome on tuesday, i know there's still a lot of votes to be counted. before we get to that, i want to
ask you how your husband is doing. >> good morning. one good day after another, he's improving. it will take a little while, but we've been so comforted by the outpouring of so many prayers and good wishes and even people saying i wasn't going to vote but now i'm going to vote because this has gone too far, but thank you so much for asking. i'll convey that to him. >> please do. we last spoke in september you were confident then that the democrats would do well, kind of a lonely voice at that time, given high inflation and the president's low approval ratings, how did democrats do it? >> first of all, thank you for acknowledging that he had a different approach, it was not anything that we have ever accepted when the pundits in washington said we couldn't win because history, history, elections are about the future, i'm very proud of our candidates, both our incumbents as well as our red to blue candidates they never accepted
the punditry that they couldn't win, they had courage and purpose and they understood their district, they also rejected calls from washington about, oh, your message should change, no our message was clear -- people over politics, lower cost, bigger paychecks, safer communities, and they knew the value of a woman's right to choose, they knew how important it was to protect our democracy, they knew the contrast between themselves and their opponents and that's what made them win. it wasn't about washington said you can't win, i hope that's a lesson, it really oppresses the vote sometimes when people say it's all over 18 months before the election we never accepted that. >> now the road to keeping the democratic majority is still narrow.
they have to run the table on the toss-up races still out there. do you see a realistic path to victory? >> that's quite different path than everyone predicted. i give tribute to our candidates, also give credit to our grassroots, there are v.i.p.s, our volunteers in plitics, millions of doors knocked, so they crossed a threshold. they leapfrogged all over the predictions and the rest. whatever the outcome we're on the path to taking our country to a better place than being dragged down by the other side. so we'll see, i'm disappointed with what happened in new york, that four votes could make the difference at the end of the day, but we haven't given up and we haven't given up because the quality of our candidates, the purpose of our why, why this is important, and president biden did a great job presenting about our democracy being on the ballot. president obama making sure people understood it was important for them to vote even
though there were those who were saying it was all over 16, 18 months ago. it took a great deal to get to where we are and we'll see, i said before, and you've heard me say it before, it's like the olympics and half a second you can be a gold, silver or bronze or honored to be an olympian. they're all close races. they continue to be. we're very proud of the outcome and we're very proud because it was a victory for the people not the punditry but for the people as well as the success in nevada is personal joy for some of us because of harry reid but politically so important for the country, we have the president, the white house, the senate and we're going to have a big strong vote in the house, a very different outcome than some would have predicted. >> and if democrats keep the majority will you run again for
speaker? >> right now, i'm not making any comments until this election is finished and we have a little bit more time to go i wish it would be faster. >> it's going to take some time to count those votes in california, i know, on the republican side, kevin mccarthy it looks like even if the republicans prevail, 219, 220, 221 votes in the house, can he govern with that kind of majority? >> well, it depends on their purpose. in our house, we had those kind of numbers. we were very united in terms of being there for america's working families, that dominated our discussion although we have our differences of opinion on certain issues. when it came down to the main purpose of the democrats, america's working families, there was no question that we would win every vote that we took to the floor and the new members coming in, constant
reinvigoration of the congress, they're so diversed geographically, opinion, gender, gender i.d., it's going to be a wonderful class, speaking so clearly. we have one of the youngest congress to bemembers coming in, so it's pretty exciting for us. it's about the message and purpose will be demonstrated to the american people and, again, it's about our democracy, our democracy was on the ballot, our planet was on the ballot, personal freedom was on the ballot, these three issues very important to young voters and they were very important in our success in this election. >> whatever the outcome you said this week, quote, we need to unify i think it's really
important to restore unity to congress, what steps do democrats need to take to bring the country together? >> we've been taking that step because we honor our oath to protect and defend the constitution of the united states and that should be a unifying principle for us, when many of our bills we worked very hard to make it bipartisan, bipartisan, bipartisan, and while the bills were bipartisan the votes were not, so again, i go back to abraham lincoln public sentiment is everything, with it you can accomplish almost anything, without it practically nothing, and the point i want to make is, when the public knows what is at stake and what's happening there i think we'll see more cooperation, again working together to produce a bill, but
not having people vote no, take the dough and make it look like we don't have we have bipartisanship, in the bill we do, in the votes not necessarily. >> before the new congress is sworn in, a lot of work to do in a lame-duck session in december, probably at top of the list is extending the debt limit, if republicans get the majority they'll try to force concessions from democrats. do you believe you can get a permanent or a very large extension of the debt limit during the lame-duck session? >> it's very important for us to do so, important to note that what the republicans have said they're going to use the vote on the debt limit as leverage to cut medicare and social security. i think the public should know that. it's a difference of opinion and i think the public should know who's on their side on all of this, we can't allow them to cut social security, it's an insurance program as is
medicare, people paid into it and the republicans can't use it as leverage to say that we'll only lift the debt ceiling if you reduce the benefits for our seniors and others on medicare and social security. we'll see what they contend they want to do, but our best shot i think is to do it, to do it now, but again, winning the senate gave us a lot of leverage for how we go forward if we don't do it in the lame duck, my hope is that we could get it done during the lame duck, the constitution removes all doubt, full faith and credit of the united states of america is not in doubt, but this is a practice that we have engaged in and so we'll have to, again, lift the debt ceiling so that the full faith and credit of the united states is respected. there's great risk to even
discussing not doing it, when the republicans did this before it lowered our credit rating, even though it didn't eventually happen but just the discussion of it, so this is dealing with fire when we're talking about the stability of our credit rating. >> in the face of all this news we see that donald trump is planning to announce for president again on tuesday, is that good news for democrats? >> i don't go into any discussion of his plans. i mean, i think it's bad news for the country because this is a person that has undermined the integrity of our elections, has not honored his oath of office, has encouraged people, strange kinds of people to run for office, who don't share the values of our democracy, they've said it very clearly in their statements, so he's not been a force for good, so i don't think his candidacy is a force for good for our country, but that's up to the republicans to decide who they
will choose. understand this, we have vast differences, republicans don't support science, so they disregard what we're saying about climate, they don't support governance, so they don't want to honor what science tells us in terms of the planet, in terms of health care and the rest, so we have some very big differences, the main event of it all is the presidential as important as our races are, if we're las vegas, the presidential is the main event and this will be a very important election, the direction our country will go in. >> do you think president biden should run again? >> yes, i do. president biden has been a great president for our country. he has accomplished so much. 10 million jobs under his leadership. working with the private sector,
of course, he has just done so many things that are so great, he's put money in people's pockets, vaccines in their arms, children back to school, people back to work for starters, creating 10 million jobs, he's made america an independent by passing the chips bill, that says we're no longer reliant on those who withhold products that enable us to manufacturer in our country. the i.r.a. i just saw him make the speech in egypt where he spoke about america's commitment to preserving the planet with legislation, $368 billion in good-paying green jobs, clean air and clean water for our children, national security issue to stop migrations and competition for habitat and food
as well as honoring our responsibility to future generations. the act honoring our veterans, the bipartisan infrastructure act, all of it with justice, with equity, inclusiveness, diversity, taking us to a new place, he has been a great president. a great record to run on. >> finally, if you do decide to step away from congress how do you want your speakerships to be remembered? >> i don't have any plans from stepping away from congress. you asked me about running for leadership. these votes are very close. my flagship issue from the start of me being in congress has been the climate issue, but in the course of things when we have the opportunity to expand health care for all americans that has to be my major accomplishment. i take great pride in that,
great pride in passing it under the leadership of president obama and working with harry reid in the senate, i take great pride in saving it from those who wanted to repeal it, for what reason? i don't know. you'd have to ask them. to remove millions of people from having access to health care. martin luther king said of all the inequalities the inequality in health care is the most inhuman because people can die, so i thank god for giving me the opportunity to play a role in that and it's an ongoing role to pass it, to protect it, to expand it, so that would be my -- but i take pride in so much else. i don't take credit for it. my members, the courage of the members, the house democrats to vote for this -- it's easy for
me coming from the beautiful place that i do, san francisco, harder for others and it's their courage that made so much of this possible, so i'm so glad we had a great -- we increased just, just dispelled the notion that democrats could not win, we're coming close, but we're on a path to a brighter future for america and i'm very proud of our members, our candidates, their courage and their purpose and their success. >> thank you for your time this morning. >> my pleasure. thank you. republican governor chris sununu is next. plus our powerhouse roundtable. we're back in 60 seconds. aah, it's a good day to cough. oh, no! bye, bye cough. later chest congestion. hello 12 hours of relief. 12 hours!! hmmm, ok. not coughing at yoga? antiquing not coughing? not coughing at the movies?! hashtag still not coughing?!
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himself and that changed the nature of the race. and that created too much of an obstacle. all over the country there is a very high correlation between maga candidates and big losses. >> lots of debate about donald trump. inside republican ranks right now. we're joined now by the republican governor of new hampshire chris sununu, governor, thank you for joining us this morning. you cruised to 15-point victory on tuesday, yet your republican senate candidate dan bolduc lost by almost ten points, how do you explain that? >> well, again, we've been talking about it this week, candidate quality matters, you know there's a chance of extremism that a lot of republicans were painted with rightfully or not. when you have a product you can't let the other side define you and that's what campaigns are, it's a product of good ideas, and ultimately i think the democrats did a very good job of defining a lot of these candidates before they even had a chance to introduce themselves
and this national stuff that happened i think scared a lot of folks, this extremism that's out there, there was a rejection of that extremism. no one likes paying $6 a gallon for heating oil. we can work on these policies later but as americans we got to fix extremism right now. that's exactly what you saw. >> congratulations on your victory. by extremism, do you mean the politics espoused by donald trump? >> you know i know the media likes to do the pro- and anti-trump stuff. there's a whole stream of things out there that can be deemed extreme on one side and other. i think there's an extreme left and an extreme right. it's not about payback it's about solving problems, right,a nd there was talk like that, it's not about you know nationalizing abortion bans there was talk like that, that
just scared people. the horrible, the attack on mr. pelosi i mean those types of things got people's angst up, said enugh is enough. work across the aisle. you know, it's not new, let's go back to the 2020 election, joe biden was the most moderate of all the candidates running on the democrat side, he was deemed the most moderate of both he and donald trump, so america's been asking for more moderation for quite some time, certain parts of the republican party haven't listened so well, we got to get back to basics. >> one of those issues, across the country, is governors who denied the election results in 2020, secretary of state candidates who denied the election results of 2020 lost this time around, does the republican party have to put away that election denialism once and for all? >> well, i think we had to do
that back on november 10th, 2020, we should have been moving on from that stuff immediately, clearly it's not a good strategy, it doesn't work. sure it taps into an extreme base and a fire that's there with some folks but at the end of the day you can't govern if you can't win, all that matters is winning in november. candidates forgot that. they went too far right. they let the media and the other side define them. democrats put millions behind dan bolduc's campaign. here in new hampshire. democrats put money in his campaign, in the primary, think about that for a second. to make sure that he got through and he made it by 1,000 votes through to the primary, so i think that's a complete manipulation of the process to be sure but there's a lot of work on that side to define these candidates. they were successful. >> lot of republicans think you would have won that senate seat had you chosen to run, any
regrets? >> no, i love being governor, look with all due respect the senate is the b team compared to being the governor. it's not even a question. i get to be the ceo, design systems, implement the policy, engage with constituents, fight the barriers. congress has a very important purpose, don't get me wrong, but they approve of a policy, they approve of some funding and then they kind of go on to the next thing. i'm kind of an engineer, i want to create better solutions, at the local level, which is why local politics, local solutions really work best. >> you said the media loves to talk about donald trump and perhaps that's fair, it's donald trump himself and he's planning to announce for presidency on tuesday, is that a good idea? >> for him, no. i think it's a terrible idea for him. look, from a purely political standpoint we still don't know what's going to happen in georgia, the votes are still being counted in nevada and
arizona, by the way -- >> nevada and arizona went democrat. >> the governor's race is undecided. >> yes. >> it's still undecided. only about 80%, 90% in. people want to move away from politics as you hit thanksgiving and christmas. so, now's just a horrible time for big political statements, save that for early 2023 would be my message, but it will be great for the media, saturday night live will probably love it but for the rest of us we'll fcus on spending time with our families and kind of taking a breath in the quiet of a nonpolitical world, let's get back to car commercials and pharmaceutical commercials because the negative political ads have driven us crazy. >> those pay my salary. but can you see any under
circumstance by which you would support donald trump in 2024? >> look, not really, because i think there's going to be a lot of great candidates out there, i'm excited to see who runs for president on both sides. i don't think joe biden is running. i think it's going to be a wide open race on the republican side. it's a good thing. that's great thing. you see new ideas that are going to be out there. the referee of the first in the nation primary here in new hampshire, lot of responsibility, we have a lot of fun with it to be sure, but we hold them to a whole different standard to the rest of the country. we got to look you in the eye. buy into you as a person. grassroots politics, connection with the individual really does matter in place like new hampshire. it's going to be a lot of fun. >> you said referee, tn new hamf you decided to run for president. >> well, maybe, i suppose. i don't know. lot of folks are talking about that, but i have a state to run, unlike congress i don't get vacation.
it's a 24/7 job 365. unlike congress i have to balance a budget in the next couple of months. unlike congress i have at will of demands on me and i love it. it's hard job, but it's so fulfilling when you get things done. given where new hampshire is we're very successful in a lot of areas. continue to lead by example. when people come in here, they know there's a whole new standard of accountability in terms of what you're going to deliver as a public servant. >> governor sununu, thank you. >> thank you, buddy. up next, nate silver looks at georgia's runoff. we'll be right back.
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it's a great night. it's a great night for democrats, it's a great night for our candidates who won and it's great night for america. victory lap for chuck schumer right there, one final senate contest remains in georgia, raphael warnock and herschel walker will face off, here's how fivethirtyeight's nate silver handicaps the race. we don't have a fivethirtyeight forecast here but betting markets say there's 70% that warnock keeps his seat. warnock did a little better than republican herschel walker in the first round of voting by 49.4% to 48.5%, then there's the brian kemp factor. the governor defeated democrat stacey abrams by more than 9 percentage points. one more factor helping warnock is history repeating itself, in
2020 there was also a senate runoff on the ballot in georgia, in fact there were two of them, and in those runoffs warnock and jon ossoff gained ground. he and warnock won. maybe because of donald trump who was trying to get the election overturned in georgia, well, guess what, trump is back in the spotlight. he may announce a 2024 white house run. some things working in walker favor, oliver won't be on the ballot in the runoff. with that said, exit polls of oliver voters found that a majority thought walker's view were too extreme. i'm going to buy this one, i think it's anybody's race but i'm going with the bookies here and i do think warnock is the favorite. >> roundtable is up next. we'll be right back. hey dad, i'm almost out. i got you.
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we also nominated some bad candidates especially on the senate side, but that's something we've been talking about since the summer. people thought the performance of the economy and crime would underwhelm that. it didn't. but also i think whether you're 218, 219 or 220 they don't give out a small, medium or large gavel, they just give out a gavel. and kevin mccarthy will get it. he'll control the committees, control who the chairmen are and a that will be a good thing for republicans to control that. >> i wasn't going to get to that yet, but jon karl, i'm not sure i agree with that, the gavel isn't always the same, there's no alternative now, 219, 220, 221, very hard for mccarthy to govern. >> two points. first of all, mccarthy is not a lock on speaker anymore, there are by my account at least eight to ten
republicans who are adamant that they will not support kevin mccarthy for speaker, that said there's no alternative right now, but remember you need 218 votes to be elected speaker of the house and he doesn't have that. this is going to be a long brutal process when they come together and make that vote. secondly in terms of governing with that three-seat majority is much different. if he gets it, he'll constantly be looking over his back, pushed in the exact opposite direction than the party needs to go based on the lessons of these midterms, he'll have to appease the trumpiest of the trump loyalists in the house, the freedom caucus, because they can hold his speakership hostage at any time. >> the big news, the democrats keep the senate. >> george, lsu beat arkansas, second week in a row i can celebrate college football. but seeing chuck schumer
before -- this was a great victory. and chuck schumer was absolutely right, harry reid, harry reid put this seat in play back in 2016 and it was harry reid and his spirit that i think carried democrats to victory, that being said, i want to first say election workers, to all of those men and women, the volunteers who got out there on tuesday, thank god we had a relatively peaceful night, for democrats we had significant headwinds, the red tsunami was real but democrats were able to go out there and beat the tide, beat the tide with good candidates, good quality candidates, good ground game. democrats proved that you can walk and chew game. yes the economy is important. but prix domestic was on the ballot. you saw that in kentucky and montana. >> michelle, election deniers
losing all across the country, one of our columnist at "the new york times" said the fever has broken. >> i certainly hope so. beyond any kind of partisan breakdown, what made me nervous this election was up and down the ballot, we talked about the senate and the house, all these secretary of state races, a.g. races, governor races where they had election deniers like doug mastriano in pennsylvania and i think for now kari lake the only major one still undecided but jim marchand lost his secretary of state. mark finchem lost. >> chris christie, one of the original deniers of the election deniers going back to election night on 2020, is it possible now that the rest of your party goes in that direction? >> not the whole rest of the
party. donald trump has convinced a percentage of our party that the election in 2020 was stolen, i don't think that's going to change any time soon, but what i think has happened is and what you saw in these elections two things, one, lot of republicans didn't vote for those election deniers because if they had they would have won. and independents are sending a very clear message to the republican party, if you're going to go for the trump-style stuff in terms of the rhetoric, in terms of the conduct, those kind of things, certainly the election denying, we're not going to vote for you. this is the first time that the party that has held the white house has won independents in 20 years and the message for that is trump is dragging the party down, i said this i think on election night, although we were here until 2:30 in the morning so i don't remember what i said on election night. he said we're going to do so
much winning, in 2020 we lost the senate, in 2021 we lost two senate seats in georgia that we should have won and in 2022 we performed under historic norms for what was going on in this country and for being the party out of power. that's a lot of losing, i think what republicans came to grips with on tuesday night we're tired of losing and we're tired of donald trump dragging us to lose because of his personal vanities. >> in face of all that he's going to announce on tuesday. >> his people say on the record he'll announce on tuesday. we'll believe when he actually says it. but in terms of those election deniers the one place where they're still really strong is the house of representatives, the republicans in the house overwhelmingly people who voted to reject joe biden's electoral
votes on 2020, elise stepanik she came out immediately after the midterms and said she was endorsing donald trump for president even before he has announced his presidential campaign so we'll see how this plays out and look, trump is going to demand loyalty, he's going to demand those who he supported who won to support him, he's also demanding of kevin mccarthy, this will be very interesting, does kevin mccarthy come forward and say, yes, donald trump won -- >> the price of getting -- >> mccarthy again needs to get those republicans who say they absolutely -- only a handful of them, but it's enough to deny him the speakership, is the price of that going to be supporting donald trump for president? >> donna, am i right in thinking that joe biden is more likely to run again for president if donald trump is the nominee or really contending for the nomination or than if donald
trump kind of announces and then flounders? >> first of all the president will have at least two, three months to decide, he doesn't have to decide this next week or next month, get through the lame-duck session, the opening of the 118th congress and in fact he can get through black history month before he decides, there are 123 da days before -- let me say why the president has a little bit pep in step, democrats have michigan, democrats won wisconsin, democrats won pennsylvania, and democrats managed to flip both the state legislative chambers in michigan and a number of other states, he has pep in his step, he has time to plan and prepare if he decides to run. based on what trump decides or not decides, if the president wants to you know call it quits after 2024 fine, democrats have a long bench ready to take up
the slack. >> michelle cottle, chris sununu said this was a vote against extremism across the country. the country is still very deeply, closely divided. voters now at least now two elections in a row say we want stability. >> and i think that was the republicans' big problem this race is they couldn't provide the comfort and certainty and kind of reassurance that voters were looking for, so going forward it will be interesting to see but i'm with donna he has time to decide, i don't think that -- i do think that trump running might change the equation a little bit and he would feel compelled to run but obviously i don't know but as far as the outcome of the midterms impacting it he call it a day. >> look, i think donna made an interesting point that republicans need to think about, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, there's no scenario under which republicans
can win the presidency in 2024 and lose all three of those states, they just can't, the electoral math doesn't work, and those candidates lost in my view, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, because they were seen as unstable, trumplike candidates in all three of those states and the governor races, and so we've got an assessment to make, are we the party of me or the party of us? the party of donald trump, or the party who represents the rest of the country? that's the huge decision that has to be made the next two years and the presidential process will help to decide that. and some other things as well. going back to mccarthy and governing, he's going to have one house if they have the house of representatives, senate is with the democrats, you're playing defense then, it's different if they won the senate and wanted to put legislation together --
>> you're not going to advance legislation anyway. >> that's why 218, 219, 221 is less important because all they're really going to be doing is stopping the biden agenda. now they can't advance their own agenda because schumer won't senate. their agenda in the - now they have to stop biden from doing some of things they disagreed with. in this instance there's not a small, medium or large gavel, kevin mccarthy to his credit four years ago they were in the minority, they had lost in 2018 in a wipeout, and four years later he's going to bring back them to majority predominantly through his efforts and his leadership. he deserves credit for that. he'll be on defense as speaker. >> donna, looking ahead to december 6th this runoff in georgia, the fact that democrats have already retained the senate who does that work for or against senator warnock?
>> i think it works for senator warnock, voters now is a clear understanding since it's not about who controls the senate but it's about what kind of agenda you would like to pursue, i think warnock has been able to show that he can get independents, young people who really helped democrats across the board on tuesday night, and he'll be able to get the vote of women voters. it will help warnock. >> i think that's probably right. the counterargument would be, one thing voters keep on saying we want a check, pushback of whoever gets too much power. >> certainly it would drive i'd suggest turnout down for both candidates because less is at stake, when everything rides on that seat a big motivator. i don't know how it's going play out but it's, you know, it's less the do or die election.
>> i think one thing that's important that happened this week, george, herschel walker didn't support brian kemp in the primary and people were wondering after kemp's big win decisive win on tuesday night, what would he do in the race? he's announced he's turning over his entire ground operation to the walker campaign and mitch mcconnell and that's going to be important. kemp i think will be a visible figure over the next four weeks campaigning for walker which he was not during the fall campaign now i don't know if that's because kemp didn't want to or walker didn't want him or both. they both need each other. kemp wants to show he's the real leader of the republican party in georgia and walker needs to make up that gap that he had on election night last tuesday. >> the other big question is, does trump show up? >> not if kemp has anything to do it. i think kemp will have state troopers at every airport making
sure that trump doesn't land. >> millions and millions of dollars spent in the state of georgia. >> i don't think the american public's nervous system could have handled it if the control of senate was on the line this time around. i'm relieved and donna's 100% right that the pressure is off, so kemp did this, put his ground game in their control when he thought there was still a chance senate was still on the line. i think people are tired of politics. i'm tired of politics and this is my job. i do think that it will have depress the turnout and kind of fade. >> it's a leadership moment for kemp. we'll be watching. that's the last word. up next, a look ahead to this week's final episode of "power trip." to this week's final episode of "power trip." my fingers are my eyes. as a veteran, i know the challenges of life can be great. - [narrator] dav helps veterans like michael
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here's a look. things are getting crazy, correspondents are coming to town. everybody wants our feeds. >> all the days are blurring aentsre burring together. >> it's a strange experience, but it's a very humbling experience. >> ohio, j.d. vance. >> i'm looking forward to seeing my loved ones again, can't wait to see them, hold them and hug them. >> it's time for us to stand up for america and they're talking about a runoff? i'm like, runoff? runoff? no, we're winning this. we're winning this. >> walker is confident in his ability to win, there would be no need for a runoff. my last rally note, sent. it was a long day. and a long night.
and it will be even a longer day and longer night tomorrow. but this is the exciting part. this is the part where all the work that you've done for months and months is actually put to the test. >> election day, voters across the country going to the polls. ♪ no matter what they say ♪ >> eva pilgrim is here. she reported in philadelphia for years so she knows the state, she knows the politics, i've learned a lot of things just from her. >> it's just, oh, boom. >> yeah, you got to be ready. >> yeah, yeah. if i hear pennsylvania -- >> yeah. >> like at any moment i could have a minute to get an answer down to eva and chris. that's a little stressful. >> "power trip" streams later today on hulu. we'll be right back. on hul. we'll be right back.