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the voting in iowa gets closer what kind of course are they charting. rare interview with the host of the late show with stephen colbert. i want to know, is this sunday? it's sunday. >> dickerson: his thoughts on politics and presidential campaign. >> i'm looking for a theory of this election. >> anything goes, i guess. all bets are off. >> dickerson: plus we'll go out of this world for another rare interview. this is "face the nation," how do you hear me? >> welcome aboard the stays station. >> dickerson: scott kelly talks about what it has the earth sitting outside of your window every day. all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. last night tornadoes killed 11
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death toll to at least 28. mark strassmann is in holly springs, mississippi, for thus morning. mark? >> good morning, john, those twisters in texas caught the christmas week of violent storm systems that spawned tornadoes across the south. at least 11 tornadoes were reported in areas around dallas overnight. in benton communities northeast of the city like garland. the day's first light shown the scope of the damage in garland alone, eight people were killed, it has 600 damaged homes and disaster zone of two square miles. the tornado ran for 40 miles. since last wednesday tumultuous weather has been the way of life in the south. ten people were killed in mississippi, roughly 250 homes were destroyed or have major damage, most severe tornado ran for 145 miles with winds of 160 miles per hour. and people were also killed in arkansas and alabama and flash
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i met one storm victim here in mississippi named kenyan williams, six of her neighbors were killed. six. when the tornado hit her neighborhood her elderly handicapped and blind father was alone in the house. the roof and the walls collapsed on top of him but he survived with nothing worse than a bump on his head. kenya has to rebuild her home and her life from the slab up but she's content with that. >> dickerson: mark strassmann, thanks. we tush now to presidential politics, vermont senator bernie sanders joins us from burlington, good morning, senator. this year as we look back you and donald trump are the big surprise political stories, you've suggested recently that your message about the economic inequality can appeal to the strum voters, explain how that happened? >> look, many of trump supporters are working class people. and they are angry. they're angry because they are
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wages, they're angry because their jobs have left this country and gone to china or other low wage countries. they're angry because they can't afford to send their kids to dignity. i think what trump has done successfully i would say is take that anger, take that anxiety about terrorism and say to a lot of people in this country, look, the reason for our problem is because of mexicans. and he says, they're all criminals and rapists we have to hate them. he says muslims are all terrorist, keep them out of this country. that's what we have to deal with to make america great. meanwhile interestingly enough, john, this is guy does not want to wage the minimum wayne but he said that he thinks wages in america are too high. but he does want to give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the top three-tenths of one percent. what his working class and middle class, i think we can make the case that if we really
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people are concerned about, why the middle class is disappearing, massive incomes and wealth inequality in this country that we need policies that bring us together, to take on the greed of walls the greed of corporate america. and create a middle class that works for all of us rather than an economy that works just for a few. >> dickerson: you're saying that people should be concerned about what you're talking about not what donald trump is talking about? >> not really, john. everybody is concerned about disappearing middle class of the fact that we are 47 million people living in poverty but only major country on earth that doesn't provide paid family and medical leave or guaranteed health care to all people. people are very worried how they're going to retire with dignity that's why i believe we need to expand social security benefits, those are the issues that are on most working people's minds. what i'm suggesting is that what
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is taken that anger, taken those fears, which are legitimate, and converted them into anger against mexicans, anger against muslims. in my view that is not the way we are going to address the major problems facing our country the way we address was we bring our people together, we demand that congress pass legislation which creates millions of decent paying jobs, raises the minimum wage, pay equity, making college affordable for all and those are the ways i think that we improve lives for our people not by dividing us up and having us hate mexicans or muslim. >> dickerson: let me switch to the issue of the grand jury in texas decided that no felony was committed by sheriff's officers, jailers in connection with her death. you said afterward, quote, there's no doubt in my mind that she, like too many african
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custody, would be alive today if she were a white woman. what did you mean? >> i saw that tape, john. i don't know if you did. i saw the way the police officer behaved toward her. it is my very strong if she was white middle class woman that would not have happened. it's not just in texas. what we have seen far too many people often african american who are unarmed, are getting shot and killed by police officers. we need in my view very significant criminal justice reform. we need to make sure that we -- being a come is very difficult job. i was a mayor, most do a good job. we need to be clear that lethal force, killing people should be a last option not a first option. >> dickerson: senator --
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in this case there was no lethal force used against her. you're not saying that her death was committed by the officers in this case, are you? >> no, no of course not. but she was yanked out of that car, thrown to the ground, confronted by the police officers, she responded she ended up in jail, three days later she was dead. the way she was yanked out of that car and way she was treated by that police officer is not something that i think would have happened to the average middle class white woman. >> dickerson: let's switch to politics. i was talking to democratic strategist who said that looking at your campaign, he said that you needed to attack hillary clinton as least as senator obama did, you said you won't do that. is that going to be something that gets in your way in your ability to get the nomination if you don't attack in that way? >> do i have to wage horrible attacks against hillary clinton, i'm not going to do that.
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ideas and my record with hillary clinton. that's what elections are about. that's what people want to hear. i voted against the war in iraq, hillary clinton voted for it. we have different views on foreign policy. i do not believe in a situation in syria, no fly zone, which i thinking get us into a real quagmire. i believe coalition led by muslim troops on the ground with the support of the major powers on earth, i do not want to see the united states getting involved in perpetual warfare in the middle east. i helped lead the effort when i was in the house against the deregulation of wall street. i believe that wall street's greed and illegal behavior has been a disaster for this country not only in 2008 but it remains. you have to break up these large financial institutions, reestablish glass ceiling those are differences of opinion. >> dickerson: all right. senator, we'll have to leave it there. we'll look forward to seeing you
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>> okay, thank you very much. dickerson: we turn to the republican field retired neurosurgeon ben carson joins us from west palm beach. dr. carson, see if we can pick up something that bernie sanders about the texas case. he said that her situation says african american is treated so differently by the police as if she were white woman what is your reaction to that? >> there is no question that we need to be looking at those kinds ever issues, but i think we also have tendency to inject race into everything. any time that there are people of different races involved in a conflict, are there rotten police officers, of course there are just like there are rotten lawyers and rotten doctors and rotten teachers and rotten journalists but we don't condemn the whole class for that. having said that, there's no question that we need to be
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things that are going on in the justice department to make it more sensitive to people. for instance, somebody gets a moving violation they got minimum wage job, they're barely making it, that thing costs like $170, they don't have any way of paying that. they ignore it, next thing you know there's warrant for their arrest, they lose their job. all we have to do be a little sensitive say, you can pay this off at $5 a week. these are kinds of things make a difference in our society. >> dickerson: sensitive to class and economic situation not to race. >> right. a lot of things that are class and economics are ascribed to race, no question. >> dickerson: let me ask you about your campaign, stories this week about, you talked to the associated press speaking of your staff you said everything is on the table. i'm looking carefully. what did you mean by that?
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that we're doing everything that we can do to make sure that the american people absolutely recognize the choice that they have. if there some are things need to be changed or tweaked, we certainly are going to be open to doing those things. >> dickerson: armstrong williams was quote as saying dr. carson is back in charge i'm so happy to see that. what does that mean? >> i think you have to ask armstrong. i prefer he speak for himself. i'll speak for myself. >> dickerson: any changes to your exam pain that are coming? >> there will somebody alterations. we've been looking in every particular area, one thing i want to do is have a much more robust response to attacks, particularly when they are false.
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attitude towards that, i think that's the wrong thing to do. you'll see much more aggressiveness in that region. >> dickerson: since we're looking back at 2015, any attacks that you let go by that you'd like to correct here from the last year? >> there are a lot of attacks. the attacks that i really didn't have temper, i guess it's flattering, you couldn't possibly have been like that. then when the articles were found with interviews from my mother and other people, nobody came back said, we found evidence. with the west point story, nobody indicated that general west mother land there was for a congressional medal ever honor there was question about dates no one comes back. virtually everything that was said no one comes back and says, none that have stuff is true. i think we have to be the ones
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the narrative. but also the narrative that i don't know anything about foreign policy if you go back you look at the things i've been saying about foreign policy over the last year, you'll see that there's a very things that everybody else is talking about now. and right now i'm talking about the fact that we cannot be distracted by iraq and syria only. we need to recognize what is going on in libya. libya represents an incredible caliate for them. it has a lot of oil, you go north across the water you're into southern europe, you go south you're into chad and sudan. >> dickerson: one of the points you said don't mistake being swft spoken for not being strong. do you think in this campaign there's been over emphasis on demonstrations of faith, talking about bombing -- the bleep out of isis and carpet bombing isis.
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'ness of strength? >> i understand why that appeals to people. we have been feckless and spineless. they want to see, come on now, let's get in there, let's do something. i understand that completely. bit i hope people will not be cruel by just loud speech and guess particular could you lakess i hope people will look what has happened east in a person's life. it's a much better indicator of their strength. what have they overcome. what have they have been able to accomplish. look at that in my life and look at the many of the other lives i think that will make a pretty powerful argument. >> dickerson: you said recently you might be a one-term president, what did you mean by that? >> i meant that i'm not in this for political reasons. i'm in this to fix the system. the american people deserve better. and i would do same things necessary.
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employees that's way too many. 645 federal agencies and sub-agencies, way too many, we're spending money we don't have. destroying the quality of life for the next generation, we cannot do. that we don't even say anything about it. it's craziness. >> dickerson: final question, when the primaries are over you look back at this year how next year will go, do you think the republicans will have picked somebody who is the most popular or will pick most person with the best solutions for the country? >> well, i actually think that when it comes down to actually making a choice, the people are going to be level headed, they're going to carefully consider options and i do belief they're going to make the right choice. i am hoping and praying that that is exactly what will happen that we will not be attracted to the shiny object in the room but we will look at what is going to actually solve our problems, because they are substantial. our country is on the precipice, it's about to go over the edge. >> dickerson: all right,
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dickerson: there was a lot of news in 2015 we had a little news of our own here at cbs. bob schieffer stepped down from "face the nation." cbs "the late show with david letterman" became "the late show with stephen colbert" i sat down recently with him to compare notes on navigating such an action-packed year. stephen, i want to know with sunday morning people -- >> is this sunday? dickerson: well done. i'm looking for a theory of this election, do you have one? >> anything goes. i guess. all bets are off. there's a populism that i find very appealing it's only this. is that the party elders would like him foggy way. but the people have decided that
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>> dickerson: you like that -- may disagree with anything that he's saying think that his proposals are a little -- more than a little shocking. but there is something really hopeful about the fact that, well, 6% of the likely voters want him so the people in the machine don't get to say otherwise. that's the one saving grace i think of his candidacy. >> dickerson: you have to look at this mess of an election, make a joke of it, come to terms with it. how do you -- >> i always feel bad for the candidates now. what did we start off with something like 22 at one point. hungry for power games. how do we talk about them. because most of them we know will fall by the wayside. it's not literally with an arrow in their chest but certainly massive campaign debt. god knows what's going to happen to george pataki. swept into the turbines of this election or tasked over a
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piranhas, something bad going to happen to lower tier candidates, i started feeling bad about how excited i was about each of them dropping out. >> dickerson: what is your view about the facts. and their salience. >> i'm a big fan of facts. i'm not sure they have any bearing on what person's popularity. donald trump is like, i'm not the first person to say this but i completely agree that he's my old character with $10 billion. he doesn't -- he's completely playing on emotional level so beautifully. it's one of the reasons why he just do that because he's doing that character better. he's willing to drink his own kool-aid and manufacture and distribute it because he has all the cash. he's very interesting like frankenstein of the idea that facts don't matter only money does. because if money is speech, he's
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and it doesn't have to spend any of it because everyone will point a camera a at him. >> dickerson: before you started the show you were hoping he'd stay in the race long enough -- >> i didn't think he'd be doing this well. but i don't know anything about politics. i just pretended for years to know something about it. i know something about human behavior because i'm just an actor and a writer. >> dickerson: but you also have a big heart. and you want good stuff to come out of the process. >> oh, yeah. no joke for donald trump or anything or no joke for any individual candidate has worked -- means more to me than what i think is best for the country. >> dickerson: if the process looks cynical, do you think, maybe we can reintroduce people to like what's good about this. >> i respect people who are politically engaged, so few people are. whatever candidate they support i respect that. for so many years i lived on -- pretended to be an advocate for a side.
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sides. this person is good, that person is bad, there's nothing in between. i think that area in between is where most people live, we're asked to go one direction or the other. mostly so they can raise money. one side or the other doesn't have to explain themselves it can purely on emotional appeal. you would be lovely if we all could have a conversation that does not involve demonizing. that is worth doing. i don't know if my job that certainly objective of mine. i've tried to be very respectful to -- try to be respectful to donald trump, first thing i did was apologize to him. i didn't let my audience get bad at ted cruz or boo him. i wanted kasich have a good time. >> dickerson: there was a little bit of trump respect for his ability to channel the populous. >> i have respect for trump for knowing who the real audience is. that if you really want to win,
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the people get to make the call. especially now because the parties are so behold tone big money. that the party apparatus itself has been dismantled in favor of just cash. and so there aren't wise old people who get to make the call that's been farmed out to super pacs. don't seem to be that powerful themselves, really. but in giving power over to super pacs they have completely defanged the party themselves. that's why you can't stop a trump. that's a real blowback to the idea that we're going to take power away from the party and just give it to cash. what i did respect is that he knows that it is an emotional appeal. and it might be emotional appeal that i can't respect. but he knows that you have to appeal to the voter. and that's why i may be wrong. i made a big deal about, there's no way he's going to win. >> dickerson: you weren't the only one.
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about politics. >> dickerson: but you do know about the country. you've sense of where the country is. you have a sense, i wonder how you get that now -- >> one of the reasons i stopped the old show i had sense where the country is. i think people don't really want constant divisiveness. i really don't think they want that. i thought, i can't drink that cup any more. i don't think people want to hear it. >> dickerson: lot more of our interview with stephen so bear coming up. this holiday season, get ready for homecomings. i see you brought a friend? i wanna see, i wanna see. longing. serendipity. what are the... chances. and good tidings to all. hang onto your antlers. it's the event you don't want to miss.
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doin' it. did it. done. doers built this country. the dams and the railroads. john henry was a steel drivin' man hmm, catchy. they built the golden gates and the empire states. and all this doin' takes energy -no matter who's doin'. there's all kinds of doin' up in here. or what they're doin'. what the heck's he doin? energy got us here. and it's our job to make sure there's enough to keep doers doin' the stuff doers do... to keep us all doin' what we do. >> dickerson: some of our cbs stations are leaving us now. but most of you we'll be right back with more of our interview with stephen colbert, our political panel and astronaut
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stay with us. >> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. here is more of our interview with stephen colbert. have you learned how to interview differently now than when you did in the past? >> absolutely. i used to live by the joe scarborough rule which was, if someone on your show talks for more than seven seconds you've lost control of your show. now i let back see what they will say. >> dickerson: what about the questions you ask?
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i was always in attack mode before. people want me to tea tack people still. people are very upset, liberals got so mad at me. somebody called me like a craven sell out for not 'talking donald trump. like what do you want. there's no pleasing some people. >> dickerson: looking back at this year, what i was struck by after san bernadino you started one segment i'm trying to manage the tonal shift. that's what strikes me, politics was crazy. but also we've had shooting charleston, san bernadino, attacks in paris, we're ending the year in kind of a fragile walking on egg shells kind of time. i have responsibility to do a comedy show. like water cooler conversation. and that's why it's not always political or even new just what people are talking about. i feel like dishonest if i don't attempt to do that.
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tsunami or something that eclipses any other thought. >> dickerson: seems to me difference between question and answer answer you get. and a moment you have. >> i love learning new things. we had michelle dunn on who is genius, award winner for tap dance. she said, would you like to learn something? i said, absolutely. i've always wanted to learn to tap dance i've had chance. she just taught me like, half of a shim-sham. i don't know if i'm saying that right. >> dickerson: i like that with a little orange. >> so refreshing. a summer shim-sham. incredible. that was an amazing joy. it was a moment. >> dickerson: it wasn't you posed a great question. i started off at improviser in chicago. to me i learned, this is what i really enjoy, is i like discovery more than invention. any discovery i can make is
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an invention. because discovery you don't know what you're going to find. where as invention you are just presenting to the audience something you've already made. discovery is always superior to invention. >> dickerson: was the moment -- carving this stuff down in stone, by the way. i feel like i'm comedy moses on the mountain top right now. this is good stuff. >> dickerson: this is high quality. >> you know what i charge to teach this at the learning -- >> dickerson: your interview with joe biden was a discovery? >> that nice man just gave me my show. because i had to be myself in order to receive it. i had no other choice. it was only my third show. it was such an honor, i was completely moved by his willingness to share that with the audience. >> guy in the back yells, "lone star, sir, serve in iraq" all of
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>> one of the -- i almost said the word happy it's not a happy subject but in some ways one of the most sublime moments i've ever had on stage was to be there to have ability or to have the responsibility and purpose to receive that from him. >> dickerson: pretty deep, human connection. out of no where. >> created a moment. dickerson: what would you have asked the pope if. >> i would have asked him about joy, you know, we call the show the joy machine. because unless you do it with joy it's just a machine. it will grind you up spit you out there have been nights. but i would have asked him about joy. where he finds his joy, like how did he become st. peter? how did he get into the shoes of the fishermen without becoming dogmatically so rigid that there's no joy left in him. because i'm sure he was a nice guy but didn't get real hit of joy.
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benedict. but frances exudes a sense that the spirit of the gospel is in him as opposed to the abstract interpretation that gets activated into dogma which is really law. >> dickerson: what is next year going to be like? >> it's hard for me to remember when we're not in election year what an election year is like. it's the greatest story you could possibly talk about because everybody cares and nobody gets hurt. nobody dies. it's not tragedy just super important that's why i love the election year. don't have to explain anything to your audience go straight to the joke because they understand. you don't have to educate them in any way. what's next year going to be like. i don't know. if this is year any indication, i hope it gets better. this was sad year, dark, really a dark year. >> dickerson: we need somewhere to go for joy. >> star wars. dickerson: whatever your feeling about that?
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i love -- i think there's something so hopeful about reawakening, idea of the force. because the force is the idea that it all -- it binds us together, it doesn't divide us. you know who the good guys are, you know who the bad guys are. and isn't that nice in a world where sometimes hard to tell. some ways feels like great time for movie like that the same after 9/11 great time to have lord of the rings movies. there was clarity in our culture. there was a cultural artifact that had moral clarity. i do comedy for a living, though. just want to be clear. i do comedy for a living. this is like the most serious interview i have done in years. >> dickerson: i'm a downer. >> you're not a downer. dickerson: the interesting thing about comedy we need to acknowledge this horrible thing that happened, we also need catharsis of the comedy to get us back on the road to controlling what seems like a time of total chaos.
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the same time. it's like physiologically impossible to laugh and be afraid at the same time. i'm very grateful for my job, because we think about things like things we're talking about at the end of the day we have to end up find some way to laugh about that it is not disrespectful of people's experience of it. it's an odd balance to walk. hopefully we do it some time.
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back with our panel. >> dickerson: joining us now is the president and editor in chief of the atlantic james bennett. ben domenech is the publisher of "the federalist." jeanne cummings in the editor of the "wall street journal" and david rohde writes for reuters. i want to start with we'll look back at 2015 we're going to go on to 2016 so ben i want to start with you. what in 2015 surprised you the most or did you find the most interesting. >> i was surprised the most by how quickly we saw the arguments about free speech become essentially a machine know partisan affair. civil liberties in america, the conversation has been bipartisan one historically. but in the conversation that we saw took place on america's campuses in our political fray, i think political correctness now something that moved over entirely into a conversation on the right, that surprised me to a great thing. most interesting was something that stephen colbert made
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surprise of the trump phenomenon. a significant one, i think it's politically significant in way that lot of people didn't expect. expected celebrity campaign. i think actually something to be said for finding the good in the trump phenomenon. he does express to a certain degree a degree of populism that is always part of american politics that i think represents group of disaffected americans who are standing up saying, the status quo is not acceptable but they want change. >> dickerson: what surprised to you, jeanne? >> what surprised me was the collapse of the republican party establishment class. and it's not just the rise of ump because they have had candidates like trump, the outsiders come and go. they can't coalesce in the establishment and it's not just in the presidential campaign, it's the entire house leadership collapsed during this past year because of the push from the outside.
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because they have been top down for decades. >> dickerson: the other side of what -- >> we keep talking about a grass roots lane and establishment lane, i'm starting to think that the establishment is like a bike lane. very small. the other lane is a lot bigger. james, what's your feeling about 2015? >> i would go with nasa finding running waters on mars after that donald trump and this class warfare with the republican party. the base against the donor class. on the core issues, that have stood for republican party have stood for cycle after cycle, tax cuts, budget cuts, deregulations, free trade. donald trump is challenging party orthodox it's working. >> dickerson: it's not just, you have a kind of shiny object candidate easel ruminating something big blocks that are moving. david, what about you?
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trump related but the breadth of the fear of muslims in this country and sort of acceptance of open bigotry, it would have been completely unacceptable for someone to say in 2012 a mormon cannot be the president of the united states. to have major candidates saying muslim can't be the president uproar. if he had said radical muslim or extremist, but it's fine. it's the demagoguery and attacks against muslims i didn't expect it to get so powerful so quickly this many years after 9/11. >> i feel like that does speak a little bit to when it comes to trump's character his ability to know how to manipulate. he knows how to manipulate a crowd. he knows how to respond to it but i also think speaks to something more significant in the sense that we see this broad base populous revolt in europe that comes from both right and left i think you see that echoed in america to degree that we've
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that's something that i think should concern both parties. you saw bernie sanders saying that he feels he can appeal to trump voters. >> it was striking in your conversation with bernie sanders, how many times he repeated the word anger or angry that's surreal. that's where the diagram really overlaps for him. on issues like populism and so forth, in one's counter stephen colbert just said he thinks americans are tired of divisiveness. >> i was hardened by the very strong pushback by leadership in both parties to the muslim ban. to have paul ryan, mitch mock continental, hillary clinton, there was very strong pushback on that. i think for the muslim community that had to have been at least somewhat heartening. >> dickerson: although still see in the polls that there's support within republican party
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fall from that. let's switch now to 2016 although playing with all the same teams, basically. david, to you, is there a big question in 2016 that you hope will get resolved or at least question we should keep in mind as we'reooking at the issues in the next year? >> it's who wins what's an election about inequality. is it the trump sort of rhetoric which is just playing on the division and getting people to blame mexicans and others maybe for what's happening. or can the likely democratic nominee, hillary clinton, come with solutions to in'quality. i think that is the issue of the coming year is the issue of the election and it's so visceral. >> i don't think it's about inequality i think it's about change. what we really are seeing is a group of disaffected americans who are responding to these outsider candidates in way that they have not historically, real
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going to show up and vote. but it's coming at time when there is an opportunity i think for dramatic change. we saw the change in leadership in the republican party that came into congress, we'll see additional generational change in both parties over the course of the coming several years. and i think the real questions whether there is one party that is able to translate this anger, this demand for dramatic change into something healthy or whether it turns into a kind of stray voltage affect within the election that isn't actually translated into either party. >> dickerson: jeanne, what did you learn about money? we're talking about a situation where the grass roots overwhelms the elite. elites are the ones that there is lot of talk before this campaign how candidates with fundraising prowess scott walker gone from the race. jeb bush, not doing well in the polls. did we learn anything about the power of this populous movement with respect to movement? >> we learned that you can't buy an election.
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the small donors can still have a big influence. we also were reminded of a lesson that we knew before but forgot in all of the super pac moments. that is that donating to a candidate is the first vote. so the candidates that can draw small donors can survive because that's real support and the funny thing with trump that people overlook, he talks about, i don't want your money, i'm financing my own campaign. he's not. if you go back look, because he's not buying tv ads, he's not spending big, he actually has enough small donations unsolicited coming into his campaign so he's financing it with their money. we have been reminded that primary does matter and that is in the small donor not necessarily the big donor. >> part of the interesting paradox of trim than this
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most effective vehicle for the populous -- something we've heard going back several psych tolls pat buchanan. the trump is able to call out the donor class the way he has because he's been a member of it is remarkable. put another question on the table i'd love to answer, too, in the year ahead is the problem with syria, i doubt we'll get that answer. but the stress on europe, the greater middle east making some progress, what's the solution there seems to me -- >> i don't see any candidate really -- there's talk on republican side about being more tough but i don't think anyone going to send in large number of american troops, that's only way you quickly change stabilize sear california i think you see more of the same awful, the deaths, refugee flows a stronger isis, they're losing ground in iraq but their message is -- >> dickerson: the two-prong question. assad and isis. >> most interesting thing i think for both parties right now
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15 years. what are the lessons you took from these experiences when it comes to foreign and domestic policy. i think what you see on the republican side is number of candidates who have taken awayy certain things, no accident ted cruz and donald trump the two people who are most critical of the iraq policy under the bush administration are leading in the polls currently on republican side. that says something significant. it's also a question of whether hillary clinton learned in the last 15 years, what are we going to find out. >> dickerson: thanks to all of you. happy new year. we'll be right back. announcer: you taught him how to hit a baseball. how to hit a receiver. the strike zone. the net.
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[ laughter ] sometimes you take things for granted that you shouldn't. we all do that, but... wow, we don't do that much anymore. >> dickerson: we're back with a very long distance remote, astronaut scott kelly joins us from the international space station. commander kelly, first went into space in 1999, what's different now? well, my first flighgh was on the space shuttle, it was to the hubble space telescope that was before we had the international space station. it wasn't few years later before we launched the first people to the space station, first human presence in space which we've had last 15 years.
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now with this international space station all the research we have that go with it and what we were doing back in 1909s and previously. >> dickerson: for you personally, though, being in space now relative to that f first time? >> flying in space is a privilege whether it's the first time or the fourth time. but obviously back then it was my first flight, it was seven days long and since then i've flown three times previous -- or subsequently durations, 13 days, 159 days now this next -- this flight will be close a year they have been getting larger and larger reach time. if i fly fifth time it will have to be mars get that duration that will be required to keep up the trend. >> dickerson: before we go any further what room are you in there? >> i am in the u.s. destiny
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the main module for the u.s. side of the space station, it's combination of laboratory and sort of like the bridge of a ship. i guess you could describe with it a lot of systems that are required to operate the space station are in here. as well as experiments. j in case there are any conspiracy theorists out there how would you prove to us that you're in veer row gravity? in zero gravity. >> i would just do this for awhile. unless i was falling it would be kind of hard to do. >> dickerson: nasa put call out to thoho that might want to be an astronaut. what would you look for? >> i was on the hiring committee we picked a great group. what we look for are people that are technically competent. you need background in scientific field whether it's as a scientist, engineer, medical
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military with some kind of technical background. and we want those people to have proven themselves in their current profession being very high performers but also people that get along well as part of a team. because this is a huge team effort, not just your crew members here on board but also with all the folks you have to work with on the ground. just really diverse group of people with skills that are very broad. we have a lot of systems lear on board the space station we can't call repairman when one of them breaks. we have to be generalists in a lot ofof ways. >> dickerson: have you noticed any of the effects on space that you're there to look at and discover in yourself? >> you know, lot of the data we collect is stuff that has to be analyzed on the ground. trips, we can't see bone loss ourselves. that's something that we'll have to notice with imaging technology when i get back. but there are certain things we
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mass like amount of muscle i've lost in my calf muscle because we don't walkup here is pretty significant. some affects on my vision initially althoug those are leveled off have been consistent with what i had on my last flight. but we're also looking at the affects of this environment, microgravity environment and radiation environment on myself, on a genetic level how my d.n.a. is affected that's using my brother as a control subject on the ground. >> dickerson: is it still thrill to look out the window? >> yeah. the earth is a very beautiful place. it's thrilling to look at. but like a lot of things if you see it often it's not as thrilling as the first time you've seen it. but it's still never fails to impress. >> dickerson: have you been following the news from up there, have you watched -- what did you think of the president sham campaign that is going on down here on earth? >> we have the news on pretty
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