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[ cheers and applause ♪ >> announcer: from 30 rockefeller plaza in new york, it's "late night with seth meyers." tonight -- amy schumer. actress and author, jennifer grey. music from stephen sanchez featuring the 8g band with carter mclean. ♪ [ chrs and applause and now, seth meyers >> seth: good evening. i'm seth meyers. this is "late night. we hope you're doing well tonight. and now we're going to get to the news vice president kamala harris spoke yesterday at a gala for a pro-abortion rights organization and said, "thoes republican leaders who are trying to
weaponize the use of the law against women, well, we say, 'how dare they?' great. that oughta do it. [ laughter ] and if that doesn't stop them, you can always throw in a harumph! microsoft co-founder bill gates spoke out yesterday against the potential reversal of the supreme court decision in roe vs wade and warned that it would "set us back 50 years. he said the next time america makes that much progress, we should remember to hit save. [ laughter ] in a new interview, maryland governor larry hogan said that former president trump should not run for re-election and added that trump is "enjoying playing golf five or six day as week." why ruin that by going back to a job where he could play four or five days a week [ cheers and applause president biden is set to hold a cinco de mayo party tomorrow at the white house, because what's more fun than a cinco de mayo party thrown by someone who doesn't drink? that's like throwing a halloween
party and saying, "but fyi, this is a no sugar house. who loves raisins? nasa is planning on sending naked images of humans into space as part of a new mission to communicate with alien civilizations. guys, you can't do that. at the very least you have to hit them with a "u up?" first. [ laughter ] and finally, the nfl announced today that the new york giants will play a game against the green bay packers this season in london so instead of losing 27 to nothing, the giants will lose 27-nil and that was a monologue, everybody. we got great show for you tonight. [ applause ] she's got emmys and peabodys and you know her from "trainwreck" and "inside amy schumer. her new show, "life and beth" is streaming now on hulu. our friend amy schumer will be here tonight [ applause ] and she is an icon you know from classic movies like "ferris bueller's day off" and "dirty dancing." all of those experiences and more are in her memoir,
"out of the corner." jennifer grey will also be joining me [ applause ] and he is a breakthrough indie singer songwriter making his television debut with us tonight. we'll have music from stephen sanchez, you guys. but before we get to all that, five conserve justices on the supreme court are apparently poised to overturn roe vs wade and erase a woman's constitutional right to bodily autonomy, subverting the will of the vast majority of americans and defying a half century of legal precedent. for more on this, it's time for "a closer look." ♪ [ cheers and applause >> seth: as everyone undoubtedly knows by now, five republicans on the supreme court appear poised to strike down roe vs wade and erase abortion rights in a ruling that would deprive tens of millions of women their fundamental right to make health care decisions for themselves we know that from a truly stunning leak of a draft opinion. and while there have been leaks before, a leak of this magnitude seems virtually unprecedented in the history of the court
>> it is cataclysmic, i think, for the reputation of the court, and even for the internal operations of the court. this is how they do their work they do it in secrecy. i cannot think of an another time where a full draft opinion has leaked early in the process like this. you cannot overstate how big a deal this is for how the court operates the trust is shattered and i think it's going to take a long time for the court to recover from this. >> seth: oh, i'm sorry to hear that their trust has been shattered. how will they ever recover from this the breach of their personal privacy maybe samuel alito can start wearing a shirt that says, "my judicial body, my choice." [ laughter ] [ applause ] we never get this sort of inside look we never get this sort of inside look at the private machinations of the court it's a secretive institution of unaccountable lifetime appointees they don't want you to know what they're up to behind the scenes, especially in a case like this seeing one of their draft opinions before it's published is like seeing your gym teacher in a liquor store.
or like seeing a taco bell employee lead a horse into the kitchen. "whoa, whoa. whoa, steady, chalupa. it's going to be fine. and you know what? maybe the institution deserves to be shattered a little bit you could argue it was already shattered a long time ago by cynical republicans who spent decades turning it into a political weapon by defiling the constitution, stealing supreme court seats, and forcing their nominees onto the bench through the exercise of raw power. remember when lindsey graham went on an unhinged partisan screed to get the "i like beer" guy on the court i mean, look at his face does this look like the face of of a guy who cares about the integrity of our institutions? he looks like he is auditioning to play the villain in a tennessee williams play. "meemaw, i swear by god, i'll get my revenge on you for telling me i'll never make it out of this one-horse town no-horse town? what happened to chalupa he made a run for the border?" and yet, it won't surprise to you to learn that even as they appear poised to shred the fundamental rights of tens of millions of women and reap their biggest political victory in the
50 years, conservatives are still whining and casting themselves as victims because of the leak >> there has to be consequences, harmy, for this individual, whoever it was, the chief justice, it's incumbent upon him to bring every law clerk before him. give me your phones. i'm sorry. or the fbi give me your phone we want all your accounts. we have to do our own -- we have to do our own look at every device that you've ever used and find out who did this >> seth: i like how they just pan over the supreme court justices they're like, it could be you. it could be you. was it you the privacy of the court has been violated, and nothing is more sacred than privacy so give me your phone! we want all your accounts. your uber, your pinterest, your seamless account i want to know if you've been ordering suspicious woke foods like green juices or quinoa burgers. and how do you know it's a liberal? it could have just as easily been a conservative. [ coughs ] ginny thomas
[ coughs ] who leaked the opinion to freeze the majority in place and stop the chief justice, john roberts, from trying to convince one of the other court's conservatives to soften their stance i have no idea but the fact that they're all freaking out about the leak instead of celebrating the victory is telling it underscores yet again that even at the height of their powers, these people always have to play the victim if they won a free car on "wheel of fortune," they'd immediately start whining, "but i already have two cars in my garage i don't have space for a brand-new stingray this is so unfair. and if that doesn't strike you as an insane reaction, here is something even more unhinged fox news personalities referring to a leak of an unclassified document as an insurrection. >> this is an insurrection against the court, and it needs to be found who did it, and whatever legal means can be taken against them needs to be taken. >> i am so glad that ari used the term insurrection. that's exactly what it is. but let's take it one step further. this is an insurrection not by some guy from some state who got hot under the collar and went to
dc and got overheated at a rally. this is insurrection by a person who is paid for by the taxpayers, and who has a duty under his particular job and employment to keep his mouth shut and he didn't do it. so it's an egregious form, if you will, of insurrection. and i hope that everyone will use that term, because if what happened january 6th was an insurrection, this absolutely is an insurrection. >> seth: first of all, total side note here, but what's with the beard, mike huckabee you look like a hillbilly santa claus. "ho-ho-ho, merry christmas here's a pack ever cigarettes and a dr. seuss book with the racist stuff still in there. [ light laughter ] second, do you think you guys might be projecting a bit with this insurrection nonsense leaking a document is not an insurrection january 6th, when a mob of rioters violently stormed the capitol, that was an insurrection in this case, someone posted a piece of paper online. here, i'll prove which one is worse.
do you think mike pence would rather be whisked out of a building while a mob chanted "hang mike pence," or read a leaked memo that said "hang mike pence"? do all these pundits whining about the leak really think this is what will shatter the integrity of the court not the fact that republicans stole a seat from president obama or the fact that several their nominees apparently lied to the senate about their positions on roe, or the fact that one of them called opposition to his nomination based on her credible sexual assault allegations a smear campaign orchestrated by shadowy left-wing groups and the clintons i could go on. so i will. [ laughter ] the fact they rushed through another nominee a little over a week before the election, a nominee whose ceremony turned out to be a super-spreader event and who posed for a political photo op with the president after confirmation or the fact that another justice declined to recuse himself from a case that potentially involved text messages sent by his wife that would reveal her involvement in attempts to overthrow a presidential election and attempt to install donald trump as an unelected autocrat, or the fact that one of them apparently got caught flushing a toilet during an oral argument conducted via
telephone? >> and what the fcc has said, is that when the subject matter of the call - [ toilet flushes ] ranges to the topic, then the call is transformed. >> seth: can you imagine how jarring that must have been for the lawyers in the middle of their arguments? i mean, it would definitely throw me if, out of nowhere, i heard a toilet flush off camera. [ toilet flushes ] who was that >> sorry, seth >> seth: wally, did you go to the bathroom during "a closer"look"? >> yeah. you were just on one of your rants. >> seth: all right, you know the point is, we don't know if this ruling will change at all before it's published or how, but what we do know is that this is the culmination of a decades long effort by conservatives to turn the court into a political weapon and aim it straight at abortion rights they've been plotting this out in the open for decades. as early as 1989, there were four conservative justices on the court who made it clear that they were ready to overturn roe and essentially invited anti-choice activists to help
them by proposing new restrictions on abortions. >> from almost day one after roe was decided by the supreme court, legislators who opposed abortions came in and tried to pass restrictions >> in 1989, a supreme court decision known as webster gave the pro-life movement a boost when four justices indicated they were ready to consider overturning roe vs wade. >> what webster did is it emboldened those who wanted to push the question. and it said to them, okay, it's all right. there's four votes on this court here to overrule roe we can pass bans on abortion let's do that, and get the question directly before the court. >> seth: that was 1989 do you know how long that was? just to give you an idea, here's what i looked like in 1989 [ laughter ] this is what the conservative movement, a radical minority deeply at odds with the vast majority of voters, has been
working towards for 50 years and that's why they made their faustian bargain with an obviously monstrous individual in donald trump so they could finally cement that majority according to him, he was just the final piece, the culmination of a scheme that had been out in the open since at least the reagan era it's why they stood with him through all his many depravations and indignities and numbed themselves to his many crimes and abuses, so they could finally achieve this outcome they've been working toward for half a century in fact, trump made the bargain explicit he repeatedly told republicans they had to vote for him even if they didn't like him in order to get the judges they wanted >> if you really like donald trump, that's great but if you don't, you have to vote for me anyway you know why supreme court judges supreme court judges have no choice sorry. sorry. sorry. you have no choice >> seth: he sounds like the only kid on your block who has a pool "sorry, but if you want to use the pool, you got to be friends with me. sorry. sorry.
and i'm hearing it's going to be 88 and sunny all week long, soooo. trump ripped the mask off the republican party, because there were times when republicans and leaders of the religious right tried to play coy, lying to us about what they were actually up to and insisting, ludicrously, that they weren't really going to outlaw abortion they know it's deeply unpopular and far outside the mainstream of public opinion. an npr poll in 2019 found that only 13% of americans supported overturning roe. 13%. for context, the movie "gigli" has a 13% audience rating on rotten tomatoes. i love that movie. it's not good. anytime my wife and i hit a rough patch, we lock eyes and say, "if they can get over that --" [ laughter ] so they knew this was a massively unpopular move, which is why even as they plotted out in the open for years to overturn roe, they also insisted to us that we were ridiculous for thinking abortion rights were at stake. that's why kavanaugh and neil gorsuch lied to senate, or why the co-chair of trump evangelical advisory board said
in 2018, "the left is going to try very hard to say this is all about overturning roe. but trump threw all that out the window when, in a craven bid to grovel for the support of the religious right, he just came out and said he would appoint pro-life judges who would overturn roe >> do you want to see the court overturn roe vs wade >> if we put another two or perhaps three justices on, that's really what's going to be -- that will happen and that will happen automatically, in my opinion because i am putting pro-life justices on the court. >> having to do with abortion, if it ever were overturned, it would go back to the states. so it would go back to the states and the states. >> some women won't be able to get an abortion. >> no, it will go back to the states >> by state. no, some - >> perhaps they'll have to go to another state. >> and that's okay >> well, we'll see what happens. >> seth: he is so cavalier about a woman needing to cross state lines for access to life-saving health care. it's maddening when someone who loses his [bleep over even the smallest slights tells you the thing you're worried about is no big deal
remember, this is a guy who, if a restaurant didn't have the right ketchup for his steak, would bitch about it at rallies for the next year and a half "they said, 'we're sorry, mr trump, we don't have heinz we only have hunts.' and i said, 'hunts, that's not real ketchup.' we know that about hunts i hate to say it it's not -- but we love heinz. don't we love heinz? trump ripped the mask off the entire corrupt enterprise and just laid out the devil's bargain he made with the gop for all to see he even said explicitly, the list of judges would be chosen by the conservative federalist society i doubt he even read that list he probably just picked a name off it the way your aunt orders a fun cocktail on vacation "oh, a horny caterpillar don't mind if i do." which is why it's all the more grotesque and absurd for republicans who supported nominees like neil gorsuch or brett kavanaugh to suddenly claim now that they're shocked by what's happening. >> statement saying in part, "if
this leaked draft opinion is the final decision and this reporting is accurate, it would be completely inconsistent with what justice gorsuch and justice kavanaugh said in their hearings and in our meetings in my office. senator murkowski today too also suggested that gorsuch and kavanaugh perhaps had not been fully honest about their positions. >> if it goes in the direction that this leaked copy has indicated, i will just tell you that it rocks my confidence in the court right now. >> seth: i'm sorry, this rocks your confidence in the court and when you found out the tooth fairy wasn't real, did that rock your confidence in dentistry? "wait a second then where the hell have all my teeth been going?" i, for one, don't believe they're this gullible. i think they knew it would come to this, and now they want to feign surprise because for all their talk about snowflakes, republicans take the cake every time. you were mean to my friend who was applying for a lifetime appointment. you leaked a document that rolled back women's rights half
a century. how are we supposed to know a thing that was going to happen that everyone said was going to happen why does it smell like guacamole in here? [ laughter ] republicans have been playing the long game and plotting this for decades. the only way to combat them to take the fight head-on, to enshrine a woman's right to choose in federal law, stand up for the majority of americans who oppose this extremist ruling, and make it an issue republicans can't dodge. we can't just sit around and hope alito will take his draft opinion and do this to it. [ toilet flushes ] >> the subject matter of the call ranges to topics -- >> seth: this has been "a closer look." ♪ >> seth: we'll be right back with our friend amy schumer, everybody. ♪ [ cheers and applause >> announcer: for more of seth's "closer looks," be sure to subscribe to "late night" on youtube. (grandmother) thank you for taking me home. it's so far. (young woman) don't worry about it, grandma! this'll be fun. (young woman) two chocolate milkshakes, please. (grandmother) make it three.
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[ cheers and applause ♪ >> seth: give it up for the fantastic 8g band, everybody, right over there [ cheers and applause also, back with us tonight on drums, he's a new york-based musician and educator you can hear nightly in broadway's "the lion king." his latest album, "travelers," is available now at cartermclean.com one of our favorites, carter mclean is here, everybody! >> thanks. [ cheers and applause >> seth: thank you for stepping in with us this week, carter our first guest tonight is an emmy and peabody award-winning actress and comedian you know from movies such as "trainwreck"
and her show "inside amy schumer. her latest series, "life & beth," is streaming now on hulu. let's take a look. >> do you have any preexisting conditions >> i'm a woman >> a woman, mm-hmm uh, just a few more questions. >> i can just save you some time. i've had over 30,000 drinks. i don't really chew my food enough and i took plan "b" recently kind of got two uses out of it don't write that >> hmm, i just meant like any injuries >> right >> seth: please welcome back to the show our good friend amy schumer, everybody [ cheers and applause ♪ ♪ [ cheers and applause
>> seth: amy, how are you? >> i mean, i'm [bleep] depressed. >> seth: why >> just, i mean, it's not a big deal just that we're losing all of our rights >> seth: yeah, i'm sorry about that >> yeah, but whatever. what else is going on? no, but i'm wearing my "bans off our bodies" pin. >> seth: and you were at a protest yesterday. >> i was at a protest yesterday. yeah, we really need everybody to be standing up right now. men, women, everybody, yeah. [ cheers and applause >> seth: you've been very good at that. i want to give you credit. >> sorry, i cursed, but, god, it's such a bummer >> seth: it is not a great time right now. >> it's not good >> seth: can one thing that -- well, i guess this is good you are one of the people, one of the few i know, for the last 26 months, has not gotten covid. >> i know! [ laughter ] you had covid? >> seth: i did >> yeah, i didn't. i haven't. >> seth: i know. >> yeah. >> seth: yeah. has anybody else not had covid yet? [ cheers and applause look how smug. "yeah.
[ laughter ] i don't know, god has a plan [ laughter ] he chooses the people he loves i don't know >> seth: that's what you think it is? >> i don't know. i'm a little smug about it i haven't had it yet >> seth: well, congratulations >> hey, he's looking out [ laughter ] so stupid. >> seth: i know you've said this to me in the past. as the weather changes, you're very excited to go out, have drinks outside >> yes, i love drinking outside when it gets nice out. isn't that nice? you know >> seth: yeah. [ cheers and applause >> but then also when it's not nice out, having a drink isn't that good? >> seth: okay. >> you know, even it's like the kind of thing, like, when it's, like, snowing out in new york, you want a little red wine >> seth: yeah! >> and then, when it's spring and it's beautiful, you want that red wine. [ laughter ] you know >> seth: so is that. like, this is the kind of drinking i've been doing lately. >> seth: okay. okay, just to give you sort of a frame of reference like, i've been drinking so much, like, last night is the only night i didn't drink, and i drank. do you know what i mean?
>> seth: yeah, yeah, yeah. >> okay, yeah. >> seth: so, even you're, like, your break day - >> my nights off are on. >> seth: you have, like, a little >> yeah. like, have you ever been so hungover, you just have to, like, leave town [ laughter ] you're just, like, you don't even know where you're going you're just kind of shaking, packing toiletries, you know [ laughter ] no >> seth: do you know, is this, like, a blackout situation >> yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. usually after a blackout i don't black any out any more, i don't think. >> seth: okay. [ laughter ] >> no, because, you know, it used to be cool to black out it would be like, "i blacked out," and everyone's like, "you're the best," you know? but really, nothing good ever happens in a blackout. like, i've never woken up like, "what is this pilates mat doing out? you know >> "oh, my god, i posted a thoughtful james baldwin quote?" like, that's not - that's not really how it goes. >> seth: we were both out very late. it was very late for me on monday met ball >> whoa-oh, model! >> seth: there you go, the met ball
[ cheers and applause this is a beautiful photo. you took a couple of really nice groupies, as well. >> oh, yeah. >> seth: group photos. >> look at the hadid sister, right there. look at that [ laughter ] >> seth: and there she is, there. i like how you showed, "i can be with people who also have sunglasses and people who don't. >> and people who don't have sunglasses i can still be with them, as well. >> seth: yeah, very nice >> look at these hags. >> seth: yeah. [ laughter ] i mean, it's not a contest, but it is, really. >> but i am winning. >> seth: you're going to frame this and call it "amy and three hags." >> well, that's what it is [ laughter ] >> seth: there were a lot of - i mean, you know, there were a lot of people who i think are most famous for their work on reality shows at the met are you a fan of reality shows yourself >> oh, my god, am i ever >> seth: are you really? >> of course, yeah i watch, like, every reality show, and it's hard, but i find the time >> seth: that's really good. >> have you been watching -- does anybody watch "selling sunset" [ cheers and applause >> yes, okay it's a realty -- it's a realty reality show
>> seth: okay, gotcha. >> it's about realtors in l.a. and these women, they dress kind of like animé dinosaurs, you know, like very crazy outfits. and they sell these huge multimillion-dollar -- and i'm just laughing, thinking about if they ever tried to do that in new york, like a "selling sunset," like "selling stuytown," you know, just the apartments for the same price would just be like a railroad with, like, a roommate, you know and the realtors wouldn't look like those they'd be, like, just begrudging, you know, "uh, that's not officially on the market," you know? [ laughter ] just you could never have a show like that here >> seth: this is a nice milestone, your son, gene. i've been lucky enough to cross paths with gene over the years >> you saw each other at the gym, mm-hmm. >> seth: yeah, i'm turning three. >> turning three tomorrow! my little baby [ cheers and applause my little baby guy >> seth: gene, where did the name gene come from? >> well, actually, gene was my
my husband's mom's name. his mom's name was jean, and she died, which is sad but to not have a mother-in-law? >> seth: right [ laughter ] >> sorry was that a crowd-pleaser >> seth: how did you think it would go how did you think it would go? >> i thought people would be like, "oh, that's kind of funny, she doesn't have a mother-in-law. i mean, but i guess you're right. i guess, you know -- i think we can all agree it would be better if she were alive. >> seth: yes, but -- >> except she's not. [ laughter ] no, but, so, we wanted to honor her. we named our son gene. and then, as you know, my husband's last name is fischer, so jean fisher middle name, named him for dave attell. so, you know, a month in, i realized that i'd named my son genital fischer. >> seth: yeah. [ laughter ] >> took a full month >> gene attell fisher, yes >> seth: yeah. [ laughter ] >> so, yeah, take it in. take all the time you need
>> seth: it is a hard thing. >> let it wash over you like it did me [ laughter ] >> seth: there basically living through, in a moment, what took you a full month >> right, a month. one month. [ laughter ] but it wasn't a vulnerable time at all when you're a new mom >> seth: right, you want to make sure you're doing everything perfect, as a new mom. and then, 30 days in, it dawns on you >> you just realize you've already -- like, has anybody ever messed up to that level? like, probably not [ laughter ] >> seth: but you changed it. >> so we changed it, yeah. and i hope it's better we changed his middle name to dingleberry fist crap. is that better, dingleberry? is that good >> seth: weirdly is better [ laughter ] and now this is about the age introducing him to disney films, i would imagine. >> you know, we've been trying, but they're real problematic like, i'm sure you've seen, like, they have all the warnings now >> seth: yeah, there's, like, a title card on almost everything. >> just like, "we're sorry you know, we're going to still show it to you, but, um -- so i tried showing i was really excited to show him "peter pan," and we started and then like, you know, not too far
in, there's, like, an indian man in a headdress, like, "ohh!" and i'm like, "okay, no, this is not good, this is not good." [ laughter ] and then all the women, it's, like, mostly just those mermaids in "peter pan. they're topless, and they all speak in a whisper "oh, peter oh, i'm so wet, i'm a mermaid. [ laughter ] >> seth: is that actual dialogue >> it's actual dialogue. check it, choke it [ laughter ] i'm like, "i don't want my son to see this," you know so we watched "jungle book." don't even try with that and then so i'm like, "let's scrub forward. i'm sure the newer ones are better." and so we watched -- we wanted to watch "tangled," which is about rapunzel. and a couple spoilers are coming your way but in "tangled," if she cuts her hair, it turns brown [ laughter ] yeah, and that happens in the movie, okay? and then she has short brown hair, and even though she's hideous, the prince still finds
a way to love her. >> seth: wow >> yeah. [ laughter ] isn't that a beautiful message >> seth: he puts up with a girl who has short brown hair >> the deformity of brown hair, yeah [ laughter ] it's tough, you know these movies - and i love the "monsters, inc. movies, but there's, like, no women you know, it's like, everybody's got to do better >> seth: it's always so great to see you. thank you so much for being here you guys, that's amy schumer "life & beth" is fantastic it's streaming now on hulu we'll be right back with jennifer grey. [ cheers and applause ♪
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[ cheers and applause ♪ ♪ [ cheers and applause >> seth: i am far too intimidated to try to dance with you, jennifer. >> you know, baby -- >> seth: yes >> it's all about just connection >> seth: okay. >> and you just feel it, and then it just does you. >> seth: okay. >> because i didn't plan that. >> seth: no, it just came to you >> just bubbled. just bubbled out >> seth: so, dancing has always - i mean, i imagine you have a very loving relationship with dance. >> i have a very interesting
relationship with dance. i don't know, do any of you guys dance? [ cheers and applause but it's the same people who never got covid. [ laughter ] crossover, yeah. >> well, the thing is, is if you love to dance, you have to dance. >> seth: yeah. and if you're not a good dancer, it doesn't [bleep] matter. >> seth: okay, interesting [ laughter ] i want to ask about this so, you write a memoir, and obviously a lot of elements of your life. you went back to old diaries was this something, were you a diarist your whole life? >> it just sounds disgusting, "diarist." >> seth: i know, i'm sorry >> blah. [ laughter ] >> seth: a journalist? nicer word, yeah >> okay, i don't know. all i know is that i wrote from when i was 14 till i was 41. and i wrote, you know, for myself i wrote just to dump out whatever i was feeling, because we didn't have cellphones. we didn't have - couldn't call anyone you couldn't even, like, pull up a movie. it was just, like, you and so then i just felt like i needed to talk to someone.
>> seth: you're talking like you grew up in 1920. [ laughter ] >> i'm telling you, when i was in the horse and buggy, clippity-clop, very hard to do no, i mean, literally, we didn't have the option to call someone to say, "i need to talk. so i would just download how i was feeling, and it was usually about a boy or feeling just so excited about a crush or devastated about having things gone wrong you know, i wasn't writing about world peace or, you know, curing cancer, but i was very consumed with my emotional life and i felt very alone. but then i had this listener that was just very patient and i just wrote, and i wrote from 14 to 41. and it's weird because i never read them. >> seth: oh, wow >> until i started the memoir, i had them in this box and they just traveled with me from whatever location, like new york, l.a., where i was living, this trunk and i pulled them up, and they just smelled musty
you can imagine, like, "ugh. and then i'm seeing, and it's the same person from 14 to 41. like, i thought i would have matured. [ laughter ] i thought i would have learned something. but it's the same thing because it's like the essence, like the really inner voice that is unedited, and it's just the same and it's just, the only difference is that it got a little more dramatic and the, you know, handwriting got really sloppy [ laughter ] like, towards the end. >> seth: yeah, that the first thing to go, the handwriting >> the first page is always like, "oh, this is the new me. i am going to be writing with this perfect calligraphy." and then you're just like, "grrrr." [ laughter ] >> seth: "out of the corner," obviously references a very famous line in a very famous movie. was there any sense that you were taking the line back for yourself because, you know, it's belonged to everybody else ever since "dirty dancing" came out >> well, it was, i noticed there was an irony about the fact that if i died, it would be like, "okay, she's finally out of the
corner." or, like, i don't know what they would say, but it would -- >> seth: what newspaper? [ laughter ] "jennifer gray, out of corner, in the coffin. [ laughter ] >> yes, "she's out of the corner," good. you know, it just was something i've noticed that there's a a little mean-spiritedness in the world, and everyone's looking for just a flashy thing. and i thought, "what if i'm known to be the girl that nobody puts me in the corner? and as i was writing my stories, high points, low points, kind of the things that made me who i am, really, those things shape you, especially the hard things, especially the really hard things they just do something they change you. and then i thought, "wait a minute, there's a lot of stories where i'm feeling put in the corner." and then i thought, "that's so gross. like, "i don't want to be that girl. and i thought, "well, how did i get there? and then, once i took away all
blame and all shame, and i just tried to be as honest as if i was a detective or a scientist, you know, just laying out a forensics table, just to get really cheerful, and what i noticed was that, yes, things happen to everybody; life is messy, it's complicated; we mess up; other people mess up; we fall in love, we fall out of love. but the truth is, i saw the ways in which i was colluding with, like, almost sleeping with the enemy. i was agreeing with them they betrayed me, i betrayed myself i picked them, i stayed with them. i did all of these things because i couldn't do better at the time and then i went, "what if, if i put myself there, then i can take myself out? and that is what this book did for me, is it helped me look at all of my stories that i've been telling my whole life. you know how we have the stories
we're born with, our families have told us they're just, we accept that they're just facts and then i realize there's a lot of things that weren't true. >> seth: that must've been incredibly cathartic to work through. >> it was just revelatory because i realized that i can change my story, and so can we all and i just think everyone should do it, just because it's an opportunity to give yourself a better life. >> seth: well, that's a really nice thing that you did for yourself, i think. >> i feel very happy about it. i mean, i don't know, i just feel like they should teach it in school, how to tell your truth without blame or shame >> seth: i want to close with one final thing. you had a friendship, and i think this dates when the friendship is from, because you have polaroids of it >> correct, yeah >> seth: but this is you and madonna. did you reach out to madonna before you wrote the book and say, "hey -- >> well, i didn't reach out for permission or anything, no >> seth: okay, gotcha. you just gave her a heads-up >> no, that would be silly no, i know i reached out to her afterwards i said, "hey, i wrote about you
in my book," because we were really, really wild and had incredible fun times and i remember, every time i would hear the song "express yourself," i would remember her saying to me, "hey, get in my car. i just recorded a song come here. and i said, "why in your car?" "'cause my sound system is better get in my car. and we sat in my driveway, and she played "express yourself," and she said it was inspired by what i want you to know, what i think you should do. >> seth: that's really lovely. >> by my breakup and by what she believed you know how we believe better lives for each other >> seth: mm-hmm. >> and i wrote to her in the e-mail recently, i said, "did you just say that to everyone? [ laughter ] so, when she wrote me back, she didn't say anything, so either she didn't read the whole e-mail - [ laughter ] she was just like, "yeah." >> seth: i think that's confirmation, "it's only about you, it's only about you." thank you so much for being here >> thank you >> seth: congratulations on the book jennifer gray, everybody "out of the corner" is available now. we'll be right back with music from stephen sanchez [ cheers and applause ♪
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