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captioning made possible by johnson & johnson, where quality products for the american family have been a tradition for generations >> osgood: good morning. i'm charles osgood and this is sunday morning. as you can see, we're getting an early start on spring even though the first spring morning doesn't officially dawn until tuesday. spring makes most of us just feel better about life in general. for the estimated 1 in 10 americans suffering from depression feeling good about life is never easy though there's no shortage of medications designed to treat
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depression as susan spencer will report in our cover story. >> reporter: look around you. in the street, at the mall, on your morning commute, and you'll probably see at least one person who takes anti-depressants. maybe you do. >> the latest figure suggests that more than 50% of the population over a lifetime will meet the criteria that psychiatrists currently have for what is a depressive disorder. >> reporter: the depressing news about depression later on sunday morning. >> osgood: hope you had a good st. patrick's day yesterday. there's still irish music echoing around here. a visit with the chief tans lies ahead. richard roth will do the honors. >> reporter: after 50 years of making irish music, the chieftains are still innovating, embracing a new generation of talent. but look out if patty malone is behind the wheel when a new idea comes to him.
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>> afternoon times i'm watching out for the guards or the police because i want to try a piece and i'll be (tooting on the horn) i'll be whistling at the same time. >> reporter: later on sunday morning, onward, even upward with the chieftains. >> osgood: an actor who put his best foot forward in the television sit-com will and grace is doing it again this time on the broadway stage. our mo rocca has paid him a visit. >> i just want to say.... >> i know.... >> sweet of you. >> reporter: he was a nice guy on "will and grace." now he's playing a snake on broadway. >> i'm going to leave the theater afterwards. the look on people's faces is like, "i didn't like you very much." >> reporter: later on sunday morning we'll sample some fine canadian cuisine and talk turkey with eric mccormack. >> osgood: video is the name of the game for millions of
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people who compete on the screen rather than on the field or on the board. >> osgood: now a major museum is taking note as rita braver will show us. >> reporter: even if you love to play video games, maybe you haven't thought about them as art. but that's just how they're being treated in a new exhibit. >> video games by their inter-active nature can help us find connection with deeper questions we may have deep inside of ourselves. >> reporter: later on sunday morning, bet you never thought you'd be playing pac-man at a museum. >> osgood: eric moriarty recaps the intimidation trial. david martin reports on the murders in afghanistan. brian rooney tells the troubled tale of the krystal cathedral. steve hartman watches the ultimate spring cleaner at work and more, but first here are the headlines for this sunday morning the 18th of march, 2012. puerto rico holds its
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republican primary today. romney campaigned there yesterday and then went to illinois which holds its delegate rich primary on tuesday. the arab spring arrived in syria a year ago today, and 12 months and thousands of deaths later, the uprising continues despite a brutal government crackdown. explosions in damascus killed 27 people yesterday. this morning, a car bombing was reported in the city of allepo. also this morning an american teacher was shot dead in yemen by two gunmen on a motor psyche. it's unclear why he was targeted or who the killers might be. the retired ohio auto worker who was convicted of war crimes as a guard at a nazi death camp during world war 2 has died in a nursing home in germany. he was 91. nasa yesterday released video of the northern lights taken from the international space station earlier in the year. there they are. here's the day's weather as
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the map shows depending on where you're standing today you will either soak in the sunshine or get soaked by the rain. in the days ahead winter will give way to spring and pretty soon april showers will come your way. coming up, the art of the video game. and the music,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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it's an affliction that seems to resist the rejuvenating power of spring. depression is the subject of our cover story reported now by susan spencer of 48 hours. >> reporter: here's something compressing depressing. the centers for disease control says roughly one in ten americans today is depressed. the land of opportunity apparently offering a lot of opportunity for misery. >> it really started to take hold for me in my 40s. i would have these depressive episodes. they increased in frequency and intensity like in the middle of star bucks in the middle of a starbucks line i was start welling up with tears. >> reporter: novelist had no obvious reason to cry. in fact, he seemed to have every reason in the world to be happy. >> i was living a really good life by my standards. i was doing the work i want to do.
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i had people to love. i had a nice house. i had all the sort of markers of happiness, right? it still wasn't sinking in. >> depression has been recognized as a disorder, a medical disorder since as early as medicine started. >> reporter: jerome wakefield is a professor at the new york university school of social work. >> basically for 2500 years, there is a tradition in which people have recognized that at times something goes wrong with people's ability to process loss or it goes wrong where they're just generating sadness in an unstoppable fashion that immobilizes them. >> people have trouble falling asleep or staying asleep. they have a change in their appetite. their energy level is low. they start to have a lot of negative thoughts about themselves like wearing a dark pair of glasses. >> reporter: more and more americans are seeing the world through those glasses. says psychiatrist richard friedman at new york's wile cornell medical college. >> the rates of depression have been going up over the last several decades in most
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industrialized nations. >> reporter: we're talking something like 27 million americans? >> yes. >> reporter: several studies claim rates of depression are three times today what they were just two decades ago. >> one out of ten people are taking medications. many other people are feeling it. you've got something that is spread throughout the culture. it used to be called sadness. >> reporter: but as usual in this complicated field not everyone agrees. professor wakefield says there is no real spike in depression. just a spike in diagnosing it. >> what's happened is that the definition of depressive disorder has gotten to generalized, covers so many forms of sadness that these figures have exploded and encompassed many people who are having normal reactions to loss. >> when you realize that depression has left you nowhere to go, when you've lost interest in everything.... >> reporter: wakefield says just turn on the tv and you'll see commercials bent on
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convincing people that they are depressed. >> depression hurts in so many ways. sadness. loss of interest. anxiety. cymbalta can help. >> reporter: we have directed consumer advertising where the pharmaceutical manufacturers can tell the public, "if you experience sadness... ". >> you know when you feel the weight of sadness. >> you're unhappy with your child and your spouse. >> things just don't feel like they used to. these are some symptoms of depression. >> you should see a physician. you may have x-disorder. i'm not saying that these don't have sometimes a good result of certain people who need help going in for help. but it also reshapes our cultural view of what is normal range of emotion that individuals can handle and what needs to get medication or needs to get professional help. >> reporter: it's no longer acceptable to be sad? >> well, i think we are
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getting to that point. >> reporter: and people are taking action. or at least they're taking medication. to put it in perspective more northeasterns take anti-depressants than go to the movies each week. an estimated 30 million. that's about double what it was just 15 years ago. you'd think we'd all be deliriously happy. but we are not. university of pennsylvania psychologist robert derubis may have hit on why. he's co-authored a study in the journal of the american medical association examining how well anti-depressants work from mild to moderate cases. >> we found that the advantage offered by the medicine over the benefit that came just from the placebo was very small. >> reporter: so the medication didn't work any better than sugar pills. >> it worked on average very little better than sugar pills. that's correct. >> reporter: this man was in
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the mild to moderate group and was prescribed a drug called lexipro. >> i was concerned that it was going to turn me into this smiling zombie of bliss. you know, with a cloud of disney birds around my head. i thought it would alter me in some fundamental way. >> reporter: in fact, something very different happened. nothing at all or so it seemed. was there a change? >> i don't know. people would ask me that very question. how is it working? i would be like, "fine, i guess. i don't know no." there was no eureka moment. >> the answer to the question do anti-depressants work depends on who you give them to. if give them to people who are sad but not nresed they won't do anything because they don't have the disease for which the drugs are designed. if you give them to more severely depressed people they're highly effective. >> reporter: but he says unfortunately those people, the severe cases, too often
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don't get help. while the mildly depressed and the just plain sad end up on an anti-depressant. one possible problem: 65% of all such prescriptions are written not by psychiatrists but by primary care doctors. who prescribed it? >> my primary care physician or let me correct myself. i went to my primary care physician. she was on vacation that day. i was prescribed a pill by another doctor in the same practice. >> reporter: somebody who knew you? >> no, they didn't know me at all. it was a most efficient medical transaction i ever had. i walked in and said i've been talking to my therapist maybe need a pill and within 20 seconds i had a prescription for the drug. i think even a prescription for three refills after that. i was ready to roll. >> reporter: that was four years ago. now he feels much better today but has no idea if the drug had anything to do with it. so have you stopped taking
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anti-depressants? >> that's a very good question, susan. i am still taking my lexapro every day. i ask myself why. because i don't necessarily think the pill works. i think it's the same reason an agnostic would go to church. just in case. i'm going to cover my bases. >> reporter: he's not alone in his uncertainty. depression today is almost as big a mystery as it was at the dawn of medicine. so we don't know why people get depressed. we don't know what happens in their brains. >> the answer is we do not know. we are putting drugs into people's bodies that may be helpful and that's necessary sometimes in medicine. but if you ask, can we say for sure what the mechanism is? that caused the depression and by which these drugs are helping and what the long-term effects if you stay on it for endless years, we just don't know. that's the reality. >> osgood: just ahead, special
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wells fargo and company soon became a leading provider of shipping and banking services throughout the west. and it also played a role in the pony express. wells fargo stagecoachs were a frontier life line in the pre-railroad days. and the company's frontier exploits became the basis of the tv series "tales of wells fargo" which ran from 1957 to 1962 with dale robertson as special agent jim hardy. >> one thing about working for wells fargo, you met all kinds of people. >> osgood: it wasn't just the wild west. >> the wells fargo wagon. >> osgood: the wells fargo delivery wagon was such a staple of 19th century small town american life that it got its own song in the broadway musical and hollywood film "the music man." ♪ the wells fargo wagon is a coming down the street ♪ ♪ don't let him pass my door ♪ >> osgood: in 1905 wells fargo split the banking business from the shipping operation
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which was later sold by other express companies. however, the wells fargo bank hung on to its stagecoach imagery and played it up in the tv adds. >> the next time you pay a bill, hold up a stagecoach. >> osgood: after a century of mergers and acquisitions wells fargo is now the fourth largest bank in the united states as measured by assets with a foothold in new york and other east coast cities. and in a nod to its past, wells fargo stagecoachs rolled just yesterday in a st. patrick's day parades across the country. >> osgood: next, let the games begin. need any help?
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>> osgood: individual owe games like space invaders used to be confined to small screens at home and in video or kadz. not anymore. as of this past friday art is the name of the game and rita braver has the story. >> anybody have any questions while i'm waiting? >> reporter: they poured in the second the display opened. a celebration of video games through the years. they definitely came to play. but where they're playing is what's unexpected.
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the smithsonian american art museum. >> you could say video games are a great grass roots expression of culture and in some cases art in our democracy. >> reporter: and museum director betsy bruin says the video game exhibit, the first ever at a major american museum, has caused so much excitement, it will travel to ten other cities. illustrating a growing understanding of the public's fascination with the games. >> one time a single game was offered for sale and sold six million copies in one day. that's more people than go to the met in a year. when you begin to understand how pervasive it is, i guess the bigger question is, why did we wait so long? >> reporter: indeed when you look at some of the images, they can resemble moving paintings. from from abstract to
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figurative. to landscape. there's one reminiscing of japanese wood cuts. and another that's been compared to an escher work. but it's not just how video games look but also how they engage the imagination and stimulate players to think about what moves to make. >> video games by their nature, by their interactive nature can help us find connection with deeper questions we may have deep inside of ourselves. >> reporter: long-time game developer cure ated the show. >> there has never been another form of expressive media that has captured multiple generations as quickly as video games have. >> reporter: the exhibit begins with the 1970s and '80s action adventure game like pit
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ball, comebat. space invaders. and surely you remember pac-man from 1981. in which a yellow dot with a mouth tries to eat or be eaten by ghosts. it was an international sensation. >> i'm a big fan of this game but i'll tell you something. when i was playing it, i never thought i was engaging in art. >> reporter: but the man says the artistry here was in pac-man becoming one of the first games to appeal to women who now represent 40% of gamers. released just a few years later in 1985, super mario brothers introduced a much more complex world and a video hero as players manipulated mario to find and rescue a
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princess. s. >> there are many studies that showed that he was more popular as a character in the minds of young americans than even santa claus. >> reporter: the super mario series evolved over the years with more complex graphics and scenarios. and because technology is such an important factor in the games, the exhibit show cases some of the playing devices used during four decades. but along with better technology comes better ways to do battle. has sometimes led to controversy. there has been criticism of video games as a very violent medium. what do you say to that? >> we live in a world where, not including some of that would be unrealistic. but really i think you'll find in these games a deeper
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message. >> reporter: in fact games like 2010, heavy rain which explores the boundaries of parental love.... >> jason, no! >> reporter:... do touch our emotions. if there's one thing this exhibit illustrates, it's that for video game creators, the journey is just beginning. >> we're able to create worlds and environments that just don't exist in the real world. it's boundless and limitless. that is definitely part of the attraction. >> i think it's a pretty swell thing. >> osgood: ahead, the play's the thing for actor eric mccormack. but first a st. patrick's day weekend visit with the chieftains. [ male announcer ] the draw of the past is a powerful thing.
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♪ >> osgood: that's performed by those talented men of ireland, the chieftains. this morning, veteran members of the band talk to richard roth for the record.
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>> reporter: it's steeped in the song of irish pipes and in the rhythm of an irish drum. it's in the melody of a flute and a fiddle and in the tril of a plain tin whistle. whether it's warm as nostalgia or cool as jazz, making irish music flourish has been this man's lifetime passion. ♪ >> i come from dublin, the best city in the world. ( applause ) >> reporter: patty malone lifted irish music from the
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pub to the world stage with a band he called the chieftains. >> by the way, we made it. 50 years. ( cheers and applause ) thank you. >> reporter: named for a book of irish stories the chieftains back in 1962 shared a conviction they could make tradition irish music to entertain a global audience. 50 years and 50 albums later, they're still doing just that. how old is this one? matt maloy who joined in 1979 is the baby in a band whose longevity surprises even some music critics. can i read you what one wrote? they didn't sing and had no sex appeal. they sat down when they played. it doesn't sound like a formula for success. >> when was that by the way? >> another one looked like six cadavers on stage.
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one of the reviews. >> he just didn't come to one of our parties off the concert. he'd have a different view. >> reporter: what they may have lacked in glamor, they made up for in teamwork. among early collaborators were the rolling stones. ♪ in a long black... >> richard did a little bit of an interview for bbc tribute program that we did. the chieftains, they're a year older than we are. they play this medieval music. >> reporter: the chieftains found some of their own success in the strains of other music. at the side of other performers. ricky skagz. ♪ get out your fiddle where did you come from? where did you go?
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>> reporter: pavarotti. ♪ >> reporter: and sting, to name a few. ♪ >> reporter: and from china to the u.s. capitol, the group found its stage. >> i wanted to promote this art. for me that's exactly what happened. it wouldn't have happened if i was still playing in a bar or a pub or something like that. it had to be on a stage, a major stage. you know, platforms throughout world. that dream came true for me. >> reporter: patty malone is now almost 74. but for all his band's international success, he says, its soul is still here at home. its roots in ireland, as deep as they were in 1962.
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back then the idea was to bring the music of the land, traditional, authentic irish music, to the rest of the world. and 50 years later, the chieftains are still most famous for sounding irish. that was a concern when the chieftains started working on an album to celebrate their anniversary with musicians who did not all have ties to ireland and were hardly house hold names. one might think that for a man a little over 60 and a man a little over-over 60, looking back.... >> i like how you said that. >> reporter: looking back celebrating 50 years that the album you produced would be looking back. but this isn't looking back at all. >> that was one part i had in mind. you know, do you go back and start picking the best. >> reporter: you've done that already. >> done that. this was proposed to me. i was 50-50 about it. >> reporter: the gamble seems to have paid off.
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voice of ages, just released, is succeeding on the charts and extending the band's reach. a collaboration with artists including bon ivar. the decemberists. ♪ and country trio pistol annies, young enough to be the chieftains' grandchildren. ♪ come all you fair and tender ladies ♪ >> i was able to pitch songs to them that wouldn't be their repertoire. it would be an irish connected song. ♪ they're like a star on a summer morning ♪ >> reporter: preserving the past while engaging the future is part of what's kept the group going for half a century.
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malone believes there's an irish tune that fits wherever music is made. even in space. >> here in my pocket is a tin whistle from patty malone. >> reporter: last year he gave american astronaut katie coleman a flute and a tin whistle to play aboard the international space station. he put her on the album too. >> her hair sticking up in the air and the whistle floating around. she says this is katie coleman wishing you a happy st. patrick's day. >> reporter: thinking of an anniversary, patty malone once said he had another 25 years of playing to do. but he said that, we reminded him, 25 years ago.
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well, here we are. >> oh, god. well, i don't remember saying that. but that's amazing. and here we are. there's another 25 yet to go. i have a lot to do yet, you know, if the lord spares me. >> osgood: next, crime.... >> on count 8.... >> osgood: and punishment. >> guilty or not guilty. >> guilty. se of children's advi® gives up to eight hours of fever relief. allowing your little one to get back to building a better afternoon. children's advil.® relief you can trust. but when she got asthma, all i could do was worry ! specialists, lots of doctors, lots of advice... and my hands were full. i couldn't sort through it all. with unitedhealthcare, it's different. we have access to great specialists, and our pediatrician gets all the information. everyone works as a team.
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>> osgood: two very different criminal cases attracted our attention this past week. one in new jersey and the other with roots in afghanistan. national security correspondent david martin and eric moriarty of "48 hours" have sunday journals. we begin with david martin whose report contains some graphic images. >> reporter: staff sergeant robert bales spent nearly 3.5 years fighting for his country and threw it all away in an hour. a court will decide whether he is guilty of the murder of 16 afghan civilians, mostly women and children. history will decide whether the massacre for which he is the lone suspect has undone america's decade-long battle for afghanistan. listening to afghanistan's president karzai after he met with families of the victims, there was no mistaking this is a watershed moment.
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>> this behavior cannot be tolerated. it's past, past, past the time. >> reporter: karzai said he wanted all u.s. and nato troops out of afghan villages and back on their bases now. a demand which if met would surely allow the taliban to regain lost ground. general john allen, the commander in afghanistan who is back in washington to testify before congress, could only hope karzai doesn't really mean it. >> it's too early now to predict what that really means. we'll have to have a conversation with him as we always do. >> reporter: karzai has backed off extreme demands in the past but there has not been a cold-blooded massacre like this before. a senseless act that not only enraged afghans but disturbed americans and seemed certain to increase public pressure to be done with this war. even the commander in chief
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seems fed up. >> it's time. it's been a decade. frankly now that we've gotten bin laden, now that we've weakened al qaeda we're in a stronger position to transition than we would have been two or three years ago. >> reporter: general allen is expected to testify this week that he has not yet completed plans for meeting the current withdrawal schedule of reducing u.s. forces to 68,000 by next september. and has made no plans for additional much less speedier withdrawals after that. another battle over afghan strategy is shaping up. pitting the president's military advisers who already think the withdrawal is too fast against his political advisers who can't get out fast enough. hanging over it all will be the case of robert bales. by all indications, a good soldier gone bad. bales had been drinking that night with two other soldiers, but his actions seem methodical and deliberate.
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before he set out he armed himself and put on his night vision goggles. he walked off the base in full view of afghan guards and hiked a mile to the first village where he killed 11. then back to a second village where he killed five more. returning to the base he crawled through an orchard as if he were trying to evade detection but was spotted by a search party. only then did he surrender, invoking his right to remain silent and demanding a lawyer. it was the alleged act of a lone american soldier. but a vehicle for anyone who wants to put a decades worth of wars on trial. bales had already done three combat tours in iraq. according to his attorney been injured twice, being treated for mild traumatic brain injury and losing part of his foot. that defense attorney john henry brown is already suggesting bales should not have been sent to fight again. >> he was told that he was not going to be redeployed.
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the family was counting on him not being redeployed. so he and the family were told that his tours in the middle east were over. then literally overnight that changed. >> reporter: bales is now being held at fort leavenworth kansas and will receive a full psychiatric evaluation into a private turmoil which was had such public even historic consequences. >> this is eric moriarty. >> the swastikas, there are about 15 or 16 of them. >> they think somebody wrote kkk. >> reporter: it was once so black and white. swastikas spray painted on walls. crosses burned on lawns. when civil rights workers were killed in the 1960s, it was called a hate crime. whether it was the dragging death of james byrd by three white supremacists in 1998.... >> it is a story of a vicious crime of hate. >> reporter:... or the brutal
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torture that same year of 21-year-old matthew sheppard because he was gay.... >> it was a brutal attack on migrant farm workers. >> reporter:... most of the nearly 10,000 hate crimes documented every year involve violence or a threat of violence. >> on count 8.... >> reporter: until this. >> ...sexual orientation guilty or not guilty? >> guilty. >> reporter: 20-year-old dharun ravi has become the latest to-convicted of bias intimidation or hate crimes. in his case targeting his gay college roommate tyler clementi. what makes this case so unusual is that the weapon was a camera on ravi's computer. in september of 2010, ravi used his web cam to twice spy on his roommate when clementi brought another man into their shared dorm room for a sexual encounter. ravi later tweeted his friends about what he had done. "i saw him making out with a dude."
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and later even invited his friends to watch. "people are having a viewing party with a bottle of bacardi and beer." >> guilty. >> reporter: ravi's actions might never have become public except for what happened next. tyler clementi committed suicide by jumping off the george washington bridge. but dharun rav eep didn't know for sure what his roommate had done. when police interrogated him a day later. >> reporter: the case sparked international outrage and ravi was charged with 15 counts of invasion of privacy, bias intimidation, and witness tampering.
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>> on count 15 tampering with physical evidence.... >> reporter: but friday when the jury found him guilty of all of them, some like seton hall university law professor mark poirer thought the verdict was an overreaction. >> i was really very sad. i don't think any good will come of this. >> reporter: what do you mean? >> ravi's life will be ruined. i don't see how the judge can avoid giving him jail time. i think that the breadth with which the hate crime law was applied will open it up for a lot of prosecutorial discretion and for a lot of groups across the spectrum to claim that they've been victims. >> that data is right there for you.... >> reporter: the professor says that ravi's behave yorp doesn't quite add up to what is traditionally viewed as hate acts. although some of his texts shown to the jury, like this one, keep the gays away, showed some bias. he wants to cases like that of
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the real-life subject of the 1999 oscar-winning film "boys don't cry." he was targeted for being a transgendered man and was raped, beaten and murdered by his asailants. dharun rafi on the other hand never physically threatened his roommate. witnesses testified he had never even said anything negative about him. >> the dorm conflict comes in and says your roommate wants a change and ravi says i apologize. i didn't realize i was just having some fun. ravi is a jerk. he's insensitive. he's immature. i do see it as a chreng prank. i think many people did. >> reporter: all owe ravi was not charged in connection with clementi's death he now faces ten years in prison. his lawyers promise an appeal. >> very bizarre that the two of them were in this tiny room. in my view if they had talked to one another, it would have stopped. >> reporter: sadly, back on september 22, 2010, dharun
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ravi texted tyler clementi an apology that read in part, "i've known you were gay, and i have no problem with it. i don't want your freshman year to be ruined because of a petty misunderstanding. " what ravi didn't know is that 14 minutes earlier clementi had updated his facebook page with this. "jumping off the g.w. bridge. sorry." >> osgood: ahead,, bay area ! here's big news from verizon wireless and xfinity from comcast. now get the xfinity triple play and verizon wireless together. call 855-704-7400 to sign up
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>> osgood: it happened this week. a much discussed op-ed article in the" new york times "by goldman sachs executive greg smith who announced he was quitting his job because, he alleged, the banking giant cared more about its prove is than the being of its clients. smith even accused some of his colleagues of calling their clients, quote, memorial cup hes.
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>> i don't know. can't you take care of yourself. >> reporter: for the record goldman sachs denies smith's allegations. but what it truly uttered or not, the disparaging terms muppets got noticed. >> sorry. >> reporter: a london newspaper highlighted the word on its front page while the "new york times" itself come pliled a glossary of other snide tick names some businesses supposedly have for their clients. for example, flight attendants are said to call infrequent flyers champetts after the family of the beverly hill billys. >> these city folks don't want our kind around. >> put that notion in your end. >> reporter: for their part demanding high-end travelers as platinum trash. enthusiastic train travelers are supposedly called foamers as in foaming at the mouth. while advertising executives routinely laled overly
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agreeable people as bottle heads ♪ why is everybody always picking on me? ♪ back on wall street, the times said brokers have more names besides muppets. as for credit card employees. they apparently have nasty things to say about so-called dead beats. a dead beat is not someone who fails to pay their bill. it's the one who does pay in full every month depriving the credit card company of a stiff monthly interest charge. name calling with work both ways. several "new york times" readers responded to the article with a suggestion for the nickname they would like to see applied to deserving wall street executives: inmate. we want to take a moment now to discuss a story we brought you several weeks ago about work conditions in a factory in china where a number of electronics products, i phones and ipads amongst them are assembled. on friday the radio program
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"this american life" announced it was retracting a report based on a portion of a theatrical performance by mike daisy highly critical of labor conditions at the plant. it found daisy had exaggerated some of his findings. our story featured mike daisy too, but we heard from other critics as well. in an excerpt we featured from daisy's mono log he describes meeting workers as young as 12 at the plant. a claim which has been called into question. we've been unable to confirm that account but neither apple nor foxconn would grant us an interview. we independently confirmed all the other aspects of our sunday morning story. on to other matters two weeks from today april 1 you're invited to come visit us in our studio as we hear from rock'n'roll legend patty smith. go to our website. while you're there check out our new cell phone app. that's right. you too can have your very own
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>> osgood: the krystal cathedral has been a california landmark for more than 30 years. this sunday it's the symbol of a landmark feud. its founding family is out. the building will become a catholic church. here's brian rooney. >> reporter: the cathedral was designed to give its congregation a window on god. its construction, the vision of one man. >> good morning. >> reporter: but this morning the cathedral is missing the voice of its founder robert shluler and the entire family
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that made it the church of the world. >> this is the day the lord has made. let us rejoice and be glad in it. >> reporter: here he preached a new christian positiveity with a smile. he said if you can dream it, you can do it. his dream began in a drive-in theater where sometimes he went car to car. it became the cathedral in garden grove, california. >> hour of power. >> reporter: he was one of the first to preach from the electronic pulpit of television. >> his ministry at its peak reached 20 million people around the globe through his weekly television program. robert schueler parted the waters for many religious broadcasters to follow. >> bad times. >> reporter: but today the ministry returns to its roots with a sermon to be delivered in a movie theater by his daughter sheila schueler coleman. >> the family in this pig
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powerful nationally known church and you're starting over in a movie theater. >> yes, we are. >> reporter: they will not be staging the extravagant holiday pageants they once held in the days of the cathedral's glory. coleman and the extended schueler family have either resigned or been fired from the church her father started. the cathedral's aging congregation dwindled. recession hit. and income dropped by a third. they went bankrupt. their problems as earthly as the average homeowner. >> we were living in a house we couldn't afford anymore. it became more and more difficult to afford the mortgage. >> reporter: but it wasn't just any house. designed by the famed philip johnson, it was both enormous and enormously expensive to maintain and operate. did you go too big? >> i don't think so. i think i'd rather grow too big and implode than not try to reach all those people. >> reporter: but it all devolved into lawsuits and
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robert schueler's son is he's estrangeed from his sisters. last sunday sheila coleman was the last shoouler to deliver a sermon in the glass house of god. she's going to the internet. >> the youth won't be looking at tv all that much more. you can get a message and put it on the web. i think that's the future. >> reporter: what might have been called the golden age of teley vangalism you think is passing. >> i wouldn't stake my money in it. >> reporter: her father announced on the internet he's broke. she's selling her home. >> it's a humbling experience for this dreamer who never quits. >> reporter: the message about how the mighty can fall is not lost on the house of schueler. do you look at this religiously? is god testing you? >> absolutely. i look at it religiously. the bible is full of one comeback story after another. my dad has taught me one
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comeback story after another. dad even said a setback is a set-up for a comeback. and so that's where we are. >> reporter: here this morning, opening at the multiplex. >> osgood: next, where there's a will, that's actor eric mccormack. and later, an immaculate collection. my dad and grandfather spent their whole careers here. [ charlie ] we're the heartbeat of this place, the people on the line. we take pride in what we do. when that refrigerator ships out the door, it's us that work out here. [ michael ] we're on the forefront of revitalizing manufacturing. we're proving that it can be done here, and it can be done well. [ ilona ] i came to ge after the plant i was working at closed after 33 years. ge's giving me the chance to start back over. [ cindy ] there's construction workers everywhere. so what does that mean?
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>> if i ever see your face again i'll shoot myself. >> it's sunday morning on cbs. and here again is charles osgood. >> osgood: eric mccormack won recognition and an emmy for his role in the tv sit-com will and grace these days he's putting his best foot forward once again. only this time mo rocca tells us he's doing it on broadway. >> listen to me. don't recite any soliloquys.
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don't sing me show tunes. don't do the whole perry gay sen thing. >> reporter: tv viewers will recognize him as will truman from the sit-com will and grace. funny. >> amazing. you go to bed looking like courtney cox and you wake up courtney love. >> reporter: charming. >> grace and i have plans. and almost always nice. >> you know what? it's sunday. let's get the village voice and start looking. >> reporter: right now on broadway.... >> we're going to get sold down the river by the so-called liberals in our party. >> reporter: he's a snake, an unscrupulous politician who will stop at nothing to get elected president. >> may the best man win. >> reporter: you're very unlikable in the role. >> thank you very much. >> you haven't got a chance. >> reporter: eric mccormack is one of the stars of "the best man," the revival of a 1960 play written by gore vidal. >> i'm going to leave the theater after wards and the look on the people's faces is
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like, "i didn't like you very much. i'm sorry." >> reporter: mccormack is playing opposite some heavyweights. tony winters, angela lansbury... tony winners angela lansbury and john laroquette. >> i'm just an ignorant country boy. all i mean is what matters in our profession which is really life. >> reporter: and stage and screen ledgend and voice of darth vader james earl jones. having seen eric on "will and grace" are you surprised that he can do this? >> no. good acting is good acting. >> reporter: it turns out mccormack and jones go back a long way, sort of. back to when a teen-aged mccormack was visiting the big city and saw a broadway show. >> i saw a fellow with christopher plummer and james earl jones. i was hang over. we were here and all excited. we were all like drinking for the first time in new york
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city. but i remember kind of bleary eyed, just being just amazed. now every night like i said i'm thinking that. >> reporter: he told me, he said his very first trip to new york as a teenager one of the first plays he saw othello with you. >> god bless him. i mean, god save him. which one was it? >> reporter: with christopher plummer. >> got save him. it was a production that the audience loved. very exciting production. but it wasn't good shakespeare. i have to say that. i won't go into why. >> reporter: eric mccormack is from toronto which is why we sat down in one of new york city's finest canadian restaurants. is this just like eating in canada? >> that's all we do. we fry up a beaver. >> reporter: we feasted on pouteen a canadian specialty, a steaming pile of french fries, meat chunks, cheese curds and other stuff.
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mccormack told me how growing up he set his sights on acting which unbeknownst to him was in his blood. now is it true that your father studied to be an actor? >> and i didn't know. i did not know. growing up my father was a financial analyst for an oil company. he was just a regular dad. when i would say, hey, come see me play. he'd say sure. good play. very typical dad reaction. >> reporter: he studied theater at toronto's university. >> my second there, i went to the attic to find some props for a play i was doing and i found a scrapbook dedicated to my father's years at this school as an actor. >> reporter: you had no idea. >> no idea. he never mentioned it. >> reporter: how did he react when you brought it up to him? >> he downplayed i. we were sitting at lunch at a crowded mall in toronto. i said, there are pictures of you in antigone.
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you were on stage. he said, "well, i wasn't as serious as you." we left the restaurant. he was crying. in the middle of the mall. he said, "i'm very proud of you." he put his a.a.r.p.s around me and walked away. we never talked about it again. >> reporter: after college mccormack worked wherever he could, movies, tv, theater. but what he really wanted was a sit-com. >> i was raised on "get smart" and "all in the family" and "mash." certainly when cheers came along that was a big one. i auditioned for friends. >> reporter: years later he founted out from james burrows who directed episodes of both friends and will and grace that he didn't come quite as close as he thought to getting the part. >> i said, you know, i was up for that role in friends. and he said, "oh, honey, you were wasting your time. they wrote that part for
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david." >> reporter: that's very funny thinking you came this close. >> "you never had a chance." you want me to talk you through it. >> reporter: just a few years later came will and grace. mccormack got the big part he didn't know he was looking for. >> you funny lady. >> and you gay fellow. >> reporter: mccormack, a straight actor would play network tv's first gay leading man. >> john wayne. >> wour your parents' marriage. >> things that are dead. >> reporter: he believed the show helped change attitudes toward gay people, a shift he witnessed over eight seasons of talking to fans. >> i would see, you know, women come up and say, i love my show. the boyfriend would be hanging back. i don't watch that show. in a couple of years it was like, my girlfriend likes your show. you know by season 5 it would like my wife and i watch your show all the time. oh, you guys are married.
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that's nice. >> reporter: mccormack won an emmy in 2001. it was a night of triumph and truss frags for him and his parents who were glued to the tv back in toronto. >> they were definitely watching. their cable went out 20 minutes before my category. >> reporter: you're kidding. >> i'm not. i phoned home. i'm like, so, right? and my dad is like, it's not really good around here at the moment, son. i said what? i thought somebody had a heart attack. we didn't get the cable feed. >> reporter: i have to say that wouldn't have happened in america. >> (laughing) >> reporter: our cable system, our cable tv is safe here. >> i don't know what happened. but it was a big thing for my mother. always something that stuck with her that everybody else in north america that was tuned in got to watch that moment and she didn't. >> reporter: mccormack is still on tv in a new series
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this summer he plays a crime- fighting schizophrenic college professor. >> why am i looking at these pictures? >> did you see walter lipman this morning? >> reporter: but right now it's his broadway role as candidate joe cantwell that is attracting attention from audiences and his on-stage rival john larocqueette. >> he's such a lovely canadian man. and here he is with just this vile kind of shallow despot attitude that just rankles my character's soul so deeply. >> i'm a very good judge of character. >> reporter: critics will soon decide if eric mccormack is a convincing scoundrel. but more important to him are the reactions of his wife and son. they'll see the show soon. and young finnigan mccormack is going to see in this cast dad is no longer mr. nice guy. your son is nine. does he want to see a
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political play? >> probably not. but i'm with darth vader in the political play. you know. >> the rebels are there. >> get in the ring with an old timer. >> there's a scene in the play where james gets right up in my face. with that voice. and i'm thinking i'm the bad guy here. this is great. darth vader is in my face. he's the good guy. that's how evil i am. >> don't mix with me. >> osgood: coming up, the way the cookies skruferm. [ male announcer ] what if that hemorrhoid pain is non-stop to seattle? just carry preparation h totables. discreet, little tubes packed with big relief. from the brand doctors recommend most by name. preparation h totables. the anywhere preparation h.
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celebrated their 100th anniversary this past week. five years after founder juliette gordon low created an institution based on service, leadership and love for nature, the first girl scout cookies were baked by the mistletoe troop in a small town in oklahoma and sold out of a high school cafeteria. those industrious girls never predicted how the cookie would crumble. today the girl scouts sell nearly 200 million boxes of cookies a year. even if they're old-fashioned enough not to sell them online, they're still keeping up with the times. you can download an app that will locate a cookie sale near you. you can pay with a credit card. just swipe it through a scout's smart phone. you can find samoa ice cream and lip palm and thin mint crunch bars arrive this summer. and now you can find girl scout cookies in politics. last month indiana state representative bob morris was the only one who refused to sign a house resolution
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recognizing the centennial of the girl scouts. like some kind of cookie monster, he wrote an open letter calling the girl scouts a radical organization that promotes abortion and homosexuality. in reply, republican house speaker bought 278 cases of cookies and passed out thin mints to his colleagues. a few years ago the girl scouts were criticized for selling cookies with transfat. now they're being boycotted for accepting a child whose transgender. seven-year-old bobby montoya identifies as a girl and found welcome with a denver scout troop. this apocalyptic inclusion has prompted a cookie boycott from those who are outraged by the sisterly acceptance. that's cutting off your nose to spite your face. times change. recipes change. whatever happened to lemon coolers. but girl scout cookies are a wholesome american hallmark. these girls in uniform donate
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thousands of boxes to women and men in uniform. they help us welcome spring. cookie season is coming to a close. right now there are a few men asking for your vote. there are also a lot of little girls asking for your vote. it comes in a box. it's kosher. and it's very delicious. hmmm: >> osgood: coming up, a clean sweep. [ male announcer ] imagine facing the day
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this past week alone. 27 states recorded winter temperatures that were among their ten warmest on record. february was the 324th consecutive month with temperatures above the long-term average. of course as is always the case with averages results in your area may vary. alaska, for example, had its 35th coldest winter on record. and denver racked up 20.2 inches of snow in february, the second heaviest snowfall for the month in a century.
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>> osgood: talk about a clean sweep. while some of us are only now just starting to think about spring cleaning one man we know of never stops cleaning no matter what the season. steve hartman found him in idaho. >> reporter: hard to believe. 17,000 museums in america, and until now no one ever thought to build this one. the most important one. >> train museums, plane museums, hammer museums. what is the most important world in the world? clean. >> reporter: yes. he said clean. don aslett built, paid for and now vacuums the world's first museum dedicated to the history and promotion of cleaning. it's an acre of old brooms,
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dust pans, everything under the sun. and surprisingly unlike many of the exhibits, this museum doesn't suck wind. >> one of the most unique ones is the guy sitting in a chair. >> reporter: i found it fascinating. >> he went back and forth like this and the woman vacuumed. >> reporter: unfortunately others are less amused. >> this is a cleaning museum. everybody really loves to clean, right? >> reporter: a homework museum would go over better. >> hard sell. hard sell. >> reporter: so why bother? for don, it's a mission that began almost 60 years ago. in college, he started varsity house cleaning, a single-truck business that eventually grew into a $250 million a year company. along the way he says he learned something about people. that cleanliness carries over into all aspects of your life. >> how you clean will be how you live. >> reporter: you know what? >> that's just the way it is. >> reporter: he has a point.
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>> not really i'm not really the cleaning type. i'm kind of the lazy type. >> reporter: but don says you just show kids how fun and rewarding cleaning can be. >> i want you to wash this sock. >> reporter: all that negativity will come out in the wash. in fact, he's bet $6 million on it. >> hang it up on the line. >> reporter: safe to say you put your life savings into this. >> every penny. >> reporter: you did? you spent every penny on this? >>. >> reporter: fortunately for don it's actually working. at least judging from the class i invited to the museum. i mean they got swept up in it. >> cleaning is really fun. >> reporter: really? you're convinced? >> yes, i am. >> reporter: a lot of the kids told me they like cleaning now. i'm going to call your mother and say, your dauer, she wants to clean. can i have your phone number so i can call your mom? >> no. >> reporter: now if we could just get a truth museum.
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>> osgood: a story from correspondent steve hartman. now to bob schieffer in washington for a look at what's ahead on face the nation. good morning, bob. >> schieffer: good morning, charles. we're all about the campaign. the president's top advisor david axelrod goes at the republican national committee chair reince preibus. >> osgood: thank you, bob. we'll be watching. next week here on sunday morning, the money issue.
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