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>> dickerson: today on "face the nation." hillary clinton shifts her campaign into a higher gear. barack obama takes a hit from democrats op his trade bill. >> i may not be the youngest candidate in this race. but i will be the youngest woman president in the history of the united states! >> hillary clinton promises she'll make history and she'll do it by taking on billionaires and corporation. we'll talk to her campaign manager and to one of her top rivals. vermont senator bernie sanders then the president made all out push to pass a trade bill this week but blocked by his own party. on the republican side south carolina lindsey graham will join us to talk about his presidential campaign and president's new plan to fight isis. our reporters roundtable will wrap up the week in politics and
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preview jeb bush's official campaign launch monday. finally we'll take look at this year's notable commencement speeches. it's all coming up on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning i'm john dickerson welcome to "face the nation." yesterday hillary clinton was joined by her husband and family at a campaign rally in new york city. on the campaign trail vermont senator bernie sanders is drawing voters out of the woodwork. what is he saying that's so interesting we'll ask senator sanders who joins us from cedar rapids. i want to start with the big crowds your getting any candidate would love those but when i talked to strategists they're pooring cold water on it. people aren't showing up because they think you can be president. >> i think those democratic strategists will be supporting secretary clinton are dead wrong. look, the people of this country are profoundly disgusted with
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reality that for 40 years middle class of this country has been disappearing, that 99% of all income can to the top 1%, that the top one tenth of 1% owns almost as much wealth as bottom 90%. what the american people want is an economy and government that the is standing for the working families not just large campaign contributors and billionaire class that is why we're drawing large crowds. people want us to stand up, fight back, do not give enough they want new direction in this country. >> one issue that you've been standing up on, senator, has been on the question of trade you and your side had bit of victory beating back the president's effort to expand trade. what the president supporters of that trade bill in asia also the one talking about europe is that expanding trade helps certain american companies helps service industries opens new
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markets. you talk about workers lose their job from trade they say this will open up markets that will in crease jobs. >> i've been hearing that argument the last 25 years. i heard it about permanent normal trade relations with china. here is the fact. since 2001 in this country we have lost almost 60,000 factories and millions of good paying jobs. i'm in the saying trade is the only reason but it is a significant reason why americans are working longer hours for low wages and why we are seeing our jobs go to china and other low wage countries. and finally what you're seeing in congress are democrats some republicans beginning to stand up say you know what, maybe we should have a trade policy which represents the working families of this country that rebuilds or manufacturing base not just representing the ceos of large
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multi-national corporations. let me say this corporate america and wall street are going to bring that bill back to the house next week. i would hope very much that secretary clinton will side with every union in this country virtually every environmental group, many religious groups and say that this policy is a disaster that must be defeated that we needfire group and come up with a trait policy which demands corporate america start investing in this country rather than in countries all over the world. i look forward to working with the secretary on this issue. >> dickerson: let me ask you about secretary clinton, her position is we haven't seen what is in that bill yet. there for isn't it prudent to wait not just have hot opinion but wait to see what's in the bill then she'll make her determination? that's her view. what do you say? >> don't you think it's a little bit silly for members of congress to be voting yet on
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bill that they haven't seen that is one of many reasons to be voting against this piece of legislation. there is no question in my mind that i think the minds of most americans our trade policy has been for many years to allow corporate america to shut down plants in this country, move abroad hire people at pennies an hour then bring those products back into the united states. it's a failed trade policy i would hope that the secretary joins elizabeth warren and vast majority of democrats in the congress saying no, we've got to defeat this piece of lem salt lake city. >> dickerson: you're drawing strong distinction between your view and secretary clinton's view on the question of trade. for voters trying to figure out this democratic primary what are other issues that you have that kind of strong distinction between your position and secretary clinton's position? >> well, i am listed closely as member of the environment am
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committee to what scientists are saying about climate change what they tell us, it is real, it is caused by human activity and we have got to transform our energy system away from focil fuel to energy efficiency and sustainable energy. that is what almost all scientists are telling us. i helped lead the effort in the senate against the keystone pipeline because i think if we're serious about reversing climate change, excavate transport some of the dirtiest fossil fuel in the world. secretary clinton has been very quiet on this issue. i voted against the war in iraq, i think history will record that vote as the right vote because led to the incredible detablization we're seeing right now. secretary clinton voted for the war. i voted against the patriot act not because i don't think tear vim a serious threat to this country, it is. but i think we can combat terrorism without undermining
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the constitutional rights and privacy rights of the american people, secretary clinton voted. i think bottom line is the american people want leadership to take on billionaire represent middle class i've been doing that the last 25 years people will have to judge secretary's role in that process. >> i want to talk about the role of campaign donations in campaign, hillary clinton talked about unaccountable money that destroying elections, you're taking small donations, she has a super pac is that one of those distinctions voters, is that a big distinction or little distinction between you two? >> i think it is, john. let me be very clear. this disastrous citizens united supreme court decision is undermining american democracy when you have a family like the koch brothers, that will be spending more money in this campaign than either democratic or republican parties i worry about us bag toal gary key.
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i am raising money from small individual contributions, bernie sanders has raised from 200,000 people have sent in small contributions. i don't want money from billionaires that's the way we're going to run our campaign. >> dickerson: one last question we have very little time here f. the system is corrupt is that also mean that the lawmakers who are accepting money are also corrupt? >> it means that you have a campaign finance system which is absolutely corrupt. look american democracy does not mean billionaires should be able to buy elections and buy candidates. we have to overturn citizens united supreme court decision in my view, john we've got to move public funding of elections. >> dickerson: you're not saying your colleagues are corrupt just final point on that? >> i'm saying that the system is corrupt. people who take this money they're not doing something illegal. >> dickerson: excellent. thank you very much. joining us now is south carolina
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senator lindsey graham who is in clemson this morning, i want to talk to you about report in the "washington post" that says some of the resistance to putting more u.s. troops in iraq which the president has done is actually coming from military leaders. you want to put even more troops into iraq than this president if the military is against it that doesn't seem to make sense. >> well, what i want to do destroy isil. the president has two good goals, destroy isil. i'm dying to hear from military leadership how we degrade and destroy isil with the current strategy. now would be the good time to call our military leaders to the capital hill say we got a problem. tell me how this is working because if our military leadership thinks that we're destroying isil they need to be
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fired. >> dickerson: you suggested 10,000 more troops to act as advisors to the iraqi army you mentioned secretary of defense ash carter. some prudent remarks said iraqi army not really up to the task this has been repeated story why if you had 10,000 advisors if you not just sending good after bad here? >> well, the surge did work, in 2011 we had security in iraq, political progress, don't believe me listen to president obama in 2012. general keep is the guy i've been listening to you if you have 10,000 americans trained in advise and assist at battalion level help iraqi army beef up, couple of aviation battalions of american attack helicopters you have distinct advantage over isil in iraq that you have to look at syria and iraq as battle space we're not doing. that we have no strategy to deal with the iraqi safe havens, you cannot win this war from the air.
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obama will go offer asad. toward degrading destroying isil is miserable failure. when secretary clinton said this country was well positioned to deal with the threats she is absolutely delusional. we're in a bad position against all the threats we face. barack obama has weak and decisive commander in chief should would be the third term of failed presidency better do something different. >> dickerson: you mentioned the surge. the troops in addition to advisors i want to ask you in your announcement speech you said that you would be president where with seeking out military where their sacrifices would not be wasted are you suggested they're being wasted now? >> absolutely. i'm suggesting that barack obama turn down sound military advise by not leaving 10,000 troops behind as advised in 2011 and iraqis would have accepted those troops wasted all the gains that
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we fought so hard for. excuse me, iraq and al qaeda have been defeated, they're on their knees his decision to withdraw completely from iraq, only three years ago when we could has led to what you see here today i said it then not just now. >> dickerson: i apologize for jumping on you there. but you're talking about their sacrifices would be wasted not just gained but lives of u.s. servicemen and women have been wasted that's what you're saying? >> nobody fighting for our country when ordered to do so is ever wasted their life. i'm not talking about those who fought and died wasting their lives. i'm talking about the sacrifices to make our country stronger. by dying to keep our radical islam at bay that is all been lost. iraq and al qaeda was on their knees, isil is stronger than ever, our homeland is at risk, everything we fought for and gained in iraq has been wasted by barack obama's decision to ignore sound military advice.
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i will be commander in chief on day one to literally degrade and destroy and will take more american troops to accomplish that goal but we're not well positioned. if hillary clinton thinks we're well positioned she's disqualified herself to be commander in chief. >> dickerson: you served served with her on armed services committee would you say right now that any republican running would be a bert -- in terms of foreign policy. >> except for rand paul. she said that you have to suspend disbelief to believe that the surge would work when it was being proposed by general petraeus. you'd have to suspend disbelief to believe that american's well positioned against iran against syria, against isil, against russia, against china. we're in terrible position. so you'd have to suspend disbelief to believe her statement were well positioned. no, she would be beat by all of us except rand paul.
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>> dickerson: you were just out with former candidate mitt romney who made some remarks about his campaign and the issue of immigration. he said self deportation he talked about that. what will you think that had in his race how would you as candidate talk about immigration differently? >> mitt romney and anne romney did our party a great service by admitting that embracing self deportation in 2012 was their biggest mistake. they have given us chance in 2016 to win. they're not going to self deport 11 million people. not going to be able to do that i'm not going to be a republican nominee wanting to try to do that. if you pass criminal background check, i'll allow to you stay here and earn your way to citizenship it will be hard earned pathway but i open every candidate on republican side will follow mitt romney's lead and admit it was a mistake tomorrow brace that deportation i hope self deportation is in our rear view mirror if it is not we will lose in 2015.
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>> is there any candidate -- you need to talk to them. i'm only advocating comprehensive approach that include long hard earned pathway to citizenship requiring learn english language, getting in the back of the line so you don't sit in front of the line, people the in my party i don't know exactly where they are m. people taking we need to limit legal immigration to me they're just looking at a different world than i am. we'll be down to two workers for every retiree in the next 20 years, we're going to need more legal immigration. i hope we'll embrace comprehensive approach that is realistic and humane. >> dickerson: let me ask you about the world, jeb bush was overseas, scott walker and chris christie have taken trips overseas they say governors can make decisions and they can study and learn about the other stuff. what is it that they need to know that they can't just learn from these foreign trips? >> you need to go over there meet the sunnis and the shias and the kurds and their leaders
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you'll know you can never petition iraq. sunni arab world not going to give southern part of iraq to the iranians, if you get in on the ground you'll understand the complexities you'll get to know the people. i don't know what they have been doing for the last ten years but for last ten years i've been busting my butt, i've been to iraq and afghanistan over 30 times learning from bush's mistakes, my mistakes and obama's mistakes there's nobody better prepared to deal with the chaos in the mid east and world at large than lindsey georgia i'm ready to go on day one as commander in chief to the american people we're not well positioned to deal with these threats but we could be. >> dickerson: we head out the door here one final question, you said because you're not married you might have rotating first lady. have you gotten any offers on that front? >> yeah. i have. here is what i'm going to do as president. raise my right hand, promise to defend america from all enemies foreign and domestic i think i'm the best prepared to protect this country. i am single like many other
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phenomenal. i just wish we had lot more hours in the day to get her out there talking about her vision which you heard yesterday. that is that american families fought hard to get out of the economic mess of the great recession, they are standing but they're not running yet. and this is their time. this is their campaign and she is going to be that tenacious fighter who has a bold progressive agenda which she laid out yesterday to help families get ahead. first of all closing that wage gap that is becoming increasing problem for middle class families. they need a raise. secondly making sure our young people can go to college without crushing burden of debt. and also helping families balance their responsibilities at work and at home. affordable child care, paid family leave. she also set up a very clear contrast that you heard with the republicans, they want to take us back to the failed policies that caused the great recession. top down trickle down economics.
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>> dickerson: when i talk to democratic strategist, even anxious for her to to be president she can lift a lot of things, biggest problem is trust, voters and polls have shown voters do not trust her how does she overcome that? >> there is no poll shows that voters don't trust hillary. >> dickerson: don't find her honest and trustworthy. >> no poll says that. first of all the central question in this race is whether voters can trust hillary clinton to be a tenacious fighter for them to go to bat for them. to push back on stacked deck that kept middle class behind the answer to that is overwhelmingly, yes. anyone who watched her speech yesterday was abundantly clear. she'll be tenacious fighter for every day americans that's the question in this election voters can trust her to be that fighter as she said people call hear lot of things but they don't call hear quitter. right now middle class needs someone who will not quit and will keep fighting for them ever single day.
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>> dickerson: fighter comes up a lot. you've used the word several times. the four big fights she's going to take. there was a big fight on trade. people took sides people had very clear positions she was on the sidelines why? >> well, hillary not been on the sidelines. let me say first and foremost speaking of a fitlier will nobody tougher fighter at the negotiating table for every day americans when these trade agreements are being negotiated. families can trust her to fight hard for them. in any of these agreements. but hillary has been abundantly clear about where she stands on the issue of trade. she laid out three key principles and tests that any trade agreement needs to meet. first and foremost needs to protect american jobs, second needs in to crease wages for workers here in the united states and third needs to be consistent with our national security interest. we're waiting on -- there's obviously a trade bill that may be coming we don't have the exact text but when we do she will take a clear position and in the meantime she's laid out
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clearly where she stands on trade. >> dickerson: that's what i think maybe confuses people on one hand campaign officials you said she's taking clear position then said she will take clear position bernie sanders and others, taken clear positions on others, give speechs this is one where people if there's a clear position it would be thumbs up, thumb down. it's more nuance than that. >> as senator sanders said there's no wisconsin there's no bill. and the back and forth that's happening right now is about procedures and parliamentary this and that. can't take a position on a trade bill that you can't see and so hillary trying to be responsible and wait until we have something to react to but she's been abundantly clear for any trade deal, very clear set of tests that any trade bill will need to meet. >> dickerson: the questions on the campaign trail. we heard from senator sanders he's out there mixing it up. in this new stage of the campaign will hillary clinton be
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more acceptable to the press do town halls participate in the way other and dates do? >> hillary was focused in this campaign on being accessible to every day americans. and spending time at small roundtables, face to face, workshopping her policies. answering questions, asking questions. what you saw in her speech yesterday was the result of two months of hitting the ground, talking to every day americans getting their input to reflect what they want to see in their next president. and offer, get reaction to what she believes needs to be doing. this campaign not about hillary not about media it's about every day americans you will absolutely see her this week in states doing plenty of interviews. >> dickerson: we look forward to that. final question, hillary clinton had a big health scare when she was secretary of state will she release her medical records as part of her campaign? >> i'll let hillary decide that. i can tell you she has been hitting the campaign trail hard.
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>> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. yesterday my producer and i spent the day in new york city's roosevelt island for hillary clinton's big campaign event. we found ourselves wondering what do we call this? >> i am running for president of the united states. >> dickerson: campaign calls it a launch. we could have sworn she launched her campaign in april. there was a video. >> i'm running for president. dickerson: and trip to iowa. new hampshire, nevada, south carolina, new hampshire again. well, you get the picture. i asked clinton campaign chair what the last two months were about. >> during that period that ramp up stage we were out talking to voters answering questions asking them some questions. this really is beginning of the long run to the nomination and
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then to president. >> dickerson: will it look like -- difference between pre season and regular season? >> i think that is a fair -- dickerson: tomorrow jeb bush is officially announcing he's running for president, too. but he's actually been campaigning for so long, some 44 campaign events in 17 states already this year by our count but we're now hearing about a staff shake up in his campaign. so bush is in the middle of a do-over of something that hasn't even started. officially, that is it. there have been more shenanigans with campaign launches than ever before. there are two reasons for that. the first is stage management. campaign want to milk the he can composure they get from multiple announcements to create dram 345, excitement, and bumps in the polls the other reason that candidates like jeb bush and scott walker and chris christie
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can raise money without the restrictions of campaign finance laws that come when they officially declare. but it also means by the time they do announce it's not an announcement so much as an admission of a long established fact. campaigns can call these events whatever they want but it's still true what our mothers taught it you can never get a second chance to make a first impression. turn now to our reporter roundtable peg knee noon noon from the "wall street journalist," robert costy reports for "washington post" also joined by ruth marcus and mark halperin of bloomberg politics. mark, what did you that i can of hillary clinton's event yesterday, whatever we may call it? >> the clinton family they used to say the era of big government is over that speech was lot about big government lay down platform that trays to her strength. we heard most positive thing she talked about yesterday what she believes in the kind of
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president she wants to be. it's certainly to some ex department with an eye towards bernie sanders and martin o'malley, the question is does she have an eye on general election where republicans see her as formidable. i didn't hear clear general election. when they announce give a speech they can give at their convention. i'm not sure that speech to going to carry over for her. >> dickerson: ruth, put this speech in context. >> couple of thing first i rarely disagree with mark but i'm going to disagree here. i don't think that hillary clinton said very much yesterday that would not go over well with the general election electorate. she accomplished a lot of things in this speech. she set out grand vision why she wants to run to be the nation's fighter that we heard from robby mook. she put specific policy species with that, showed she could take it to the republicans played the gender card, i mean that in
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positive way talking about all her prospect as first woman president added a piece of biography that i think could be appealing. >> dickerson: talking about -- the thing talking about polling well i don't think that overarching message is a bunch of new programs. most is a bunch of old programs. >> old programs that poll well might do well. i think we will see some new things, talking about, for example, i just want to make one quick point which is that where i felt the speech didn't happen two months ago. there was a lot of opportunity in the last two months. you talked to robby about the trust issue all that others talk but i think there was really some costs in the last few months. >> dickerson: if hillary clinton started with that kind of grand attempt to list off wouldn't people have said she thinks it's going to be coronation so this is coronation-like event. >> i don't think so. i thought the speech yesterday
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was a concession in a way that she understood that she can't run as perhaps she had hoped. as the lady on the floral print couch in the room with important lighting saying, i want to be your champion i'm going to listen to you i'm going to nod. this is a listening tour. that was campaign speech. that the sort of conceded i guess i got to go out. i guess i got to make the points. i think probably whole speech did no harm so mrs. clinton i'm not sure it did deep good. seemed to highlight some of her weaknesses as the campaigner, there was a rote quality to her speeches, certain leaden quality even audience looked a little bit rote. after the line but was delivered with perhaps incorrect familiar sis. do you know what i mean? >> dickerson: there was something -- in terms of republicans looking at this
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speech are they worried anything there that puts them on the defensive? >> mark and i were out at the mitt romney radio treat in utah. our sense they think she's sending the right news and strong economic message. if she's the nominee. they still think she's vulnerable on the e-mail server they don't think she has counter to their attack which they assure are coming. challenge for her she had a big speech. it was a scene at roosevelt island that was impressive, her strength in the last two months was having to coffee shops toning down her status as a global celebrity. >> she's so formidable democrat going to start a lot of electoral votes. lot of high points were appealing to the coalition of the 'senn dents that republicans not cracked the code. talking to republicans around the country that is what they need. they need way to find that economic message that appeals to the coalition.
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hillary clinton so strong on that point until they crack the code find the tomorrow nominee who can take her on she's formidable. >> dickerson: on the question of trust. robby mook challenged the idea that voters have trust questions about hillary clinton. polling shows that they question whether she's trustworthy does that matter? is it more important that she be fighter for regular people and trust is esoteric question? >> all of it matters. because the two things that matter for voters in addition to whether they agree with policy positions. one whether they can trust you to clinton campaign, trust you to fight for them but also trust you that you are who you say you are. also need to be convinced, this is why she did the biographer that they can live with you for four years or eight years. that they can tolerate you. i think that when you see the campaign reframing the trust
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issue to trust that you will fight for them. you see the tone that the last few months she's been quietly listening to voters. taken up by seemingly stories about speeches and foundation and has been occupied by bernie sanders who has done very good job of prodding her to take clearer positions on things. >> dickerson: and prodding today. peggy, this biographer talking about the mother with hillary clinton attempt to make a three dimensional candidate here. is that possible to somebody who has been in our public life so much? does one get a second act that you can introduce with a big speech like this. >> let me just pick up on something that you said. i agree with everything you said i'd only add this part about meeting with the press it's been i think very difficult for her and loss to her she ought to
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be -- should have met with them yesterday i think. i lost your question. >> dickerson: the biographer. how much does that help? >> i think it's just fine. there was a sense that lot of the speech was going to be taken up on the story of very pained and triumphant story of her mother. it was some of the speech. i read that as mrs. clinton saying i know you think i'm rich and i'm successful and i came from success but actually i came from a background that may have been somewhat like yours with parents who had real problems. i thought that this is what she was trying to d. nothing bad about that. >> dickerson: what do you make of bernie sanders making clear distinction he'd be shy about that before. >> we saw secretary clinton reference her mother that -- on that stage was former president bill clinton. i met with students from university of pennsylvania and southern california they tell me there is real energy for senators sanders on college campuses they say he speaks for somebody who is
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anti-establishment they want to see that kind of metrics from hillary clinton. robby mook says hillary clinton is going to be the fighter. >> always focused on the next election. that's what they do. it's smart. it's martin o'malley, bernie sanders did what he's been doing lately sees become optimistic candidate being progressive with optimistic message is powerful against her because she 134 times struggles to be optimistic and progressive issues like trade, like are bedeviling her. >> this is a very fascinating thing we need to just call campaign to task a little bit. notion that this week's last week's vote and coming revote if it happens this week on trade adjustment assistance and the fast track which help for workers on the fast track authority. give not just this president but
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next president ability to do trade negotiations. the notion that this is some kind of very minor procedural inside the beltway inside congress why would she weigh in on that step. technical trade term, it's a crock. it's really important question. certainly unions know enough about the agreement to know how they feel about it. other members ever congress know. she -- bernie sanders is appropriately calling on her to take position and so should we. she's smart not to. >> dickerson: i believe total consensus on shows like this can talk about her not taking positions. can talk about e-mail. their bet press will eventually lose some interest, voters don't care. republicans will waste their time going after these issues. that is their bet. >> dickerson: we're going to talk about republicans in a moment. we'll be right back with our panel.
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...which up to 90% of people don't get enough of. the sunshine vitamin! ensure. take life in. >> dickerson: now we're back with our panel. switch to the republicans, robert you spent a lot of time inter viewing folks about the bush campaign he's making it official monday what is the state of bush world right now? >> bush world trying to kick start its campaign on monday. bush has been in this super pac phase of his presidential process raising a ton of money. he had some rivals like mitt romney. need to see some energy. he wasn't out at the romney retreat in utah lot of the donors were -- they want to see jeb bush who has been political
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for so long to shake it off say he can be nominee he can have vision for the party and be general election contender. >> dickerson: mark, there were reports of shake up ups in the bush campaign, what foot is he on? >> likes to say, good gets better, bad gets worse. he's lucky that he's got -- if he executes to try to turn things around right now there's pretty broad consensus that his two main rivals are marco rubio and scott walker. both camps like the hands they have. they are positioned now to be finalists in this. when jeb bush signaled he was going to run he will be a finalist but he needs now to show use hillary clinton's words, to fight for this nomination. we've not seen him fight. if he fights successfully he's a
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favorite. >> i think this may be one moment where your mom's adage may not be proved true. i think he does have second chance to make a first impression for a few reasons. first of all unlike the rest of us, real people, every day voters out there have not been really paying attention. they are open i think to number of candidates. number two really important jeb bush is going to have when you put all the pots of money together $100 million. and that is a boat load of money, it's a bigger boat, i'm not thinking marco rubio notion here than anybody else has. he spent some money on a boat. >> dickerson: we'll stay on dry land on the $100 million question if that's first thing that people are hearing about jeb bush is that wonderful for a campaign? >> no. it's like, his name is bush, he's part of a dynasty he gets the most money so he's going to win. i don't like that. i think at the end of the day money can't buy you love.
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it's still true i think that jeb bush does not have a clear and obvious and hungry and naturally ardent part of the base. and he's got to get that. i think on monday there's two things he has to d. one he has to stop this sort of slump shouldered shrugging slightly defeated look and stand up and look like a leader and talk like a leader and make your vibrant infectious for people. the other thing i think he's got to get one or two issues for people identify with him that the base of the party likes as opposed to the two issues that identify that they don't like common core and i think immigration. >> scott walker is a fighter. people know that. they like that. he's in the arena. marco rubio, grass roots that would be great to have the face of our party.
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jeb bush needs something besides being a bush. this is right choice for the party in this time. tomorrow gets chance to try to start making a companies i agree he hasn't missed, it's all been -- got to make stand for something besides exclamation point. >> his position on common core. persona matters as well. the campaign shrugs off process talk, jeb bush shifted danny diaz into the role of campaign manager that is acknowledgment that they need some kind of momentum. >> can he tell him to stand up straight. >> really interesting contrast between jeb bush and hillary clinton in terms of biography because hillary clinton is using her for examplely to -- wrapping herself in her family to make her biography show that she understands the issues that ordinary americans. jeb has the challenge of, we see
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the new logo, jeb exclamation point, what last name, of figuring out ways to debiographize himself. i want to say something about the money. jeb bush should not be saying, i can buy this election. but it sure helps to have the fuel in the bank when you've got fuel in the gas tank for this really long campaign. >> because all the campaigns are talking not about iowa and new hampshire, talking about march maybe april. if you're going to be a finalist in this you have to win early states and money impact and money in the bank, ability to accumulate delegates in march. if jeb bush doesn't waste it can be a finalist. >> there's a long time here. maybe can make third first impression. keep an eye on ohio governor john kasic you talk about wanting to run joyfully, someone more comfortable out at that romney retreat.
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he was municipal elk with the press, if he runs as bee ex hecht him to do going to cut from the center right not from the hard right that is going to present more. >> and points about a show candidate. he shows that he's joyous and buoyant. george -- pardon me, jeb bush i want to be authentic and genuine. you want to be you authentic and genuine aren't you in tricky. >> you have to put an exclamation point after your name. i agree that kasic is the guy who could, if he launches welk raise now money introduce himself to the country. lot of people out in utah don't know he was chairman of the budget committee for him a big credential. he can make this four way race with walker and rubio and bush. but got to define himself too. the ironic thing the two older guys who have been around, jeb bush and ka six kirk are ill-defined two new guys, rubio and walker have done great job
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in the first half. defining themselves. >> one re-election john kasic in ohio by 31 points that's where i'd started. that important state re-election, 31 points that tells you something about understanding what little -- >> and he is -- obamacare. >> that is interesting. but that's not going to win him a lot of fans in the republican -- >> he has a long, difficult path to nomination but his interest at this point really commentary on jeb bush. yet chris christie said to the donors in utah, believes debate can relaunch his own chance because his personality can overwhelm on that stage. lot of people throughout the party think domination within reach that wasn't the case earlier this year. >> hundreds of top tier, people that talk about that, rand paul ted cruz, mike huckabee, rick
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perry lot of other candidates. trying to game out how this is going to flow into the beginning of next year you cannot discount with no front runner and vulnerabilities going to be a lot of people to impact who the nominee is. >> lot of chance to impact also we got to find we'll have to talk about this on another panel sorting technique to figure out how to get through all these names. thanks all of you for a good discussion. we'll be right back with look at some of this year's commencement speeches.
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>> dickerson: every year "face the nation" takes note of commencement speeches across the country that we think are important. this year we're focusing on a set of speeches by first lady michelle obama. her reflections on race in three different graduation speeches are a departure for her and come at time when country is struggling to understand and find solutions in the conflicts between the police and african american communities. >> the world will always see you in the caps and gowns they don't know how hard you worked and how much you've sacrificed to make
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it to this day. instead they will make assumption about who they think you are based on their limited notion of the world. and my husband and i know how frustrating that experience can be. we both felt the sting of those daily slits throughout our entire lives. the folks who cross the street in fear of their safety, the clerks who kept a close eye on us in all those department stores, the people at formal events who assumed we were the help. and those who have questioned our intelligence, our honesty even our love of this country. i know you all can dig deep and keep on fighting to fulfill your own dreams because graduates in the end you all are the ones responsible for changing the narrative about our communities. and with everyone word you speak, with every choice you make, with the way you carry
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yourselves each day, you are rewriting the story of our community. and there is a bud then president obama and i proudly carry every single day in the white house. because we know that everything we do and say can either confirm the myths about folks like us or it can change those myths. today it is no longer remarkable to see two beautiful black girls walking their dogs on the south lawn of the white house that's just the way things are now. see, graduates this is what happens when you turn your attention outward. and decide to brave the noise and engage your several in the struggles of our time.
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